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Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:55 PM

watching Cenk on Current, he's back to Obama bashing

But there's no way Obama will cave tax increases, right?

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Reply watching Cenk on Current, he's back to Obama bashing (Original post)
GusFring Nov 2012 OP
regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #1
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #2
MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #3
ejbr Nov 2012 #5
MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #15
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #16
boingboinh Nov 2012 #19
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #29
appacom Nov 2012 #51
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #58
ejbr Nov 2012 #50
Blasphemer Nov 2012 #52
ejbr Nov 2012 #62
Filibuster Harry Nov 2012 #4
julian09 Nov 2012 #6
Whisp Nov 2012 #7
bama_blue_dot Nov 2012 #8
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #17
Third Doctor Nov 2012 #9
ChangeUp106 Nov 2012 #10
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #11
boingboinh Nov 2012 #23
Cha Nov 2012 #28
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #48
Shilo Nov 2012 #12
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #13
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #18
Cha Nov 2012 #26
sarcasmo Nov 2012 #46
center rising Nov 2012 #14
Cha Nov 2012 #22
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #25
bama_blue_dot Nov 2012 #49
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #57
bama_blue_dot Nov 2012 #59
Cha Nov 2012 #20
boingboinh Nov 2012 #21
Cha Nov 2012 #24
boingboinh Nov 2012 #30
Cha Nov 2012 #34
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #27
Cha Nov 2012 #37
Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #40
MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #31
boingboinh Nov 2012 #32
OneMoreDemocrat Nov 2012 #60
boingboinh Nov 2012 #33
Cha Nov 2012 #35
boingboinh Nov 2012 #36
Cha Nov 2012 #38
boingboinh Nov 2012 #39
Cha Nov 2012 #41
Whisp Nov 2012 #54
Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #42
UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #43
Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #44
MjolnirTime Nov 2012 #45
JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #47
Whisp Nov 2012 #53
Cha Nov 2012 #61
dtom67 Nov 2012 #55
njlibguy_19656mm Nov 2012 #56

Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:00 PM

1. He was back to Obama-bashing two days ago...

...when he proclaimed his absolute certainty that Obama would gut SS and Medicare in the next few weeks.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:04 PM

2. It's his attempt to stay relevant. Bash Obama, it's what Repukes & former Repukes do best.

Ask Romney.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:13 PM

3. I didn't see it. What exactly did Cenk say?

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:30 PM

5. He's concerned about reporting that

Obama may assume Robme's tax strategy of capping deductions in lieu of tax increases (or more tax increases). However, he is also annoyed that Obama won the election with a mandate, but is starting the negotiations with $3 in cuts for $1 in tax increases; the same as before his mandate. He believes that he should go into the negotiations with a stronger hand in order to get a balanced response as Obama claims he wants ($2 for $2). All in all, even though the repigs got whupped in the election, they are still running the show.

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Response to ejbr (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:10 AM

15. Thanks! So is there any basis for this reporting? If it's true then Cenk is right to be concerned.

 

And I don't consider expressing concern to be "bashing." It's not as if the concern isn't well-founded, given the president's history of trying to placate Repugs at the expense of his own base.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:55 AM

16. You & Cenk should learn that he's not the Pres of "his base", he's the POTUS.

We still have a divided government, and that calls for compromise. The president won the WH, he didn't win the House of Reps. Call Congressman Boehner, you know, the guy who's in charge of the House? A call to him would be much more useful than fretting about things Pres. Obama hasn't even done yet.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:03 AM

19. Compromise isn't about handing Republicans 100% what they want and some...

 

You do realize that?

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:14 AM

29. I'm aware of what compromise is, which is why I introduced the topic.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:46 PM

51. I totally agree and trust the prez to get the people the best possible deal. The end.

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Response to appacom (Reply #51)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:52 PM

58. If it's a matter of trust between the POTUS & a "former" Repuke named Cenk? There's...

no contest. Welcome to DU.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:25 PM

50. Presumably,

there were two sources, one being the New York Times (whatever that's worth, considering Judith Miller)...Anyway, Cenk is more annoyed with his inability to take a strong stance when negotiating. Another concern is that a "fiscal cliff" compromise may not be as advantageous as just letting the Bush cuts expire. I don't remember all of the minutia.

Anyway, you can see that Cenk causes a lot of people's blood pressure to rise around here. It's not like he wants to be right, he truly doesn't when it comes to his criticism of Obama; however, based on his perspective, things sometimes look fishy. I, for one, can respect not giving anyone a pass just because he has a "D" by his name.

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Response to ejbr (Reply #50)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:47 PM

52. Good post. I agree

I watched Current on election night and there's definitely no malice when there is criticism. The problem is this: When the GOP is in control, they get a good chunk of what they want with some Dem cooperation. When Dems are in control they get some of what they want with little GOP cooperation. All told, that means the GOP tends to get more over the years and the country suffers greatly for it. It's why we are in the mess we are in now. We can't reverse course by repeating the same patterns over and over again. The GOP enacts policies that can't be easily undone so forcing Dems in power to compromise means that the spoiled fruits of their policies continue to rot for years. At some point, you've got to throw them all out and start over.

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Response to Blasphemer (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:02 PM

62. + 1 n/t

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:16 PM

4. Alot of items (tax and spending) to discuss here. I don't want him to cave in

on tax increases but if nothing happens tax revenue increases by $ 167 billion of which
$ 120 are from middle class and $ 47 from the wealthy.

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Response to Filibuster Harry (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:31 PM

6. He is concerned that Obama will not let tax cuts for rich expire, as he promised..

 

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Response to julian09 (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:42 PM

7. I heard Cenk's 'concerns' before

 

he should take those concerns of his and stick them up his ass until he really has something to be concerned about.

right now, it's all in his huge head.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:52 PM

8. Totally agree!!

I have quit watching his show yet again.. I couldn't take it a couple nights ago, when he was trying to lecture Obama on how to negotiate! Cenk knows absolutely nothing about Politics..

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Response to bama_blue_dot (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:59 AM

17. Cenk is an insufferable asshole. Funny how his fans love his former Repuke ass, but

denigrate the actual Democratic (all his life) President for shit Cenk has made up in his smelly ass head. I can't bear to watch him. It'll be interesting to watch heads explode when people find out that Cenk never actually left his Republican roots, but is merely playing a role for a paycheck.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:56 PM

9. Cenk is taking up time for his show.

Concern may be warranted after we know real details but for right now he is jumping the gun.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:18 PM

10. Cenk

is annoying the hell out of me lately. I won't be surprised if Obama sells us out again, but he has been over-the-top negative lately. No matter what Obama says it's not good enough. Again though, we'll see what the POTUS actually does...

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:41 PM

11. The tax cuts are going good-bye, and Cenk needs to chill slightly.

I like him and I want him to go bonkers at a if something goes wrong, But give the president a chance.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:09 AM

23. Cenk is virtually ALWAYS correct about Obama (being really a center to center-right president)

 

Just check the past 4 years.
He makes a good case why Tax Cuts for the Rich will remain by Obama.

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:14 AM

28. NO, Cenk is NOT Always Correct about President Obama. He's ALWAYS

FUCKING WRONG.

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:35 PM

48. I hope he is wrong.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:52 PM

12. Makes me glad I don't get Current TV-- the guy was an utter bore on MSNBC

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:20 PM

13. Current will be off the air by the end of 2013.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:01 AM

18. I was thinking the same thing. Stephanie Miller was brought in to save the network.

I love Steph, will all my heart, but she's just delaying the inevitable.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:12 AM

26. It will be. sarcasmo?!

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Response to Cha (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:49 AM

46. Gore already said Current was having money problems.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:28 PM

14. Cenk has always been unprofesssional when it comes to Obama!!

Might as well be a Republican

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Response to center rising (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:08 AM

22. I know, huh? Like he has the visceral hate for

our Successful President.

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Response to center rising (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:11 AM

25. "Might as well be a Republican"

"While in college, he wrote a column in The Daily Pennsylvanian criticizing affirmative action recruiting at the university and suggesting that all students should be "judged on their merits rather than their physical characteristics." He supported the pro-life position on the abortion issue, criticized the radical aspects of the feminist movement, and felt Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was treated unjustly during his Senate confirmation hearings. He also criticized organized religion as based on mythology and as a divisive force between peoples.

He has stated that he worked for a time for Republican former New York Congressman Joe DioGuardi.

Uygur supported the Gulf War of 1990–1991, and supported the War in Afghanistan from its beginning in 2001 until 2009—though he has strongly opposed the Iraq War. He supported the 2011 military intervention in Libya.

......He previously supported capital punishment, but now opposes it largely due to multiple exonerations of death row inmates since its reinstatement."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenk_Uygur#Political_views


I don't buy his conversion for one moment. When Cenk burst onto the talk scene, there was notoriety & money to be made in opposing Bush, and like Ed & Arianna, he jumped on that bandwagon for his own personal enrichment. Don't trust him.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:14 PM

49. Thank you

for that info! I knew he was a former Republican.. He was obviously a hard right Conservative, I find it rather hard to believe he would change every single position.. Maybe he did it for the money?? I don't know much about him, and I don't find him credible at all..

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Response to bama_blue_dot (Reply #49)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:48 PM

57. The reason: $$$$$$. This whole phenom around Cenk is about marketing, nothing more.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #57)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:05 PM

59. That is what I figured

but I had been trying to find some articles about his Republican past, and can't find much of anything.. I just don't see someone totally flipping every single position they believe in.. I don't understand why many people blindly follow him..

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:06 AM

20. Cenk was always whining about something regarding President Obama..

Does he give the President credit for anything or would that be too much to ask and blow his narrative?

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:06 AM

21. Cenk is a Progressive Democrat -- It's Most Here on DU that Continue to Shift Right

 

I think many here on DU forget what being Left is all about and as our party shifts more right i fear that many hear go along and shift right with them.

Cenk on the other hand is pretty consistent and remains a progressive in what he speaks. Just listen to the man.

If Democrats sell the people out he is going to call them out on it. Sadly many here on DU wouldn't do the same....people here who are whining about Cenk remind me of republican voters turning a blind eye when their GOP leaders continue to sell them out. Shame.

If the democrat party continues to be corrupted it will be more of a reason that a New Democrat Party be formed so that Progressives that don't sell out will have a voice. And the rest of you can conitnue on your journey to the dark Right, deluded.

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:11 AM

24. You're another one who bashes this President.. For "shame"

Yeah, cenk whines about the President Consistently.

Oh, and it's Democratic Party, boingboinh

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Response to Cha (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:17 AM

30. Progressives are about Facts -- I encourage you to look at them.

 

Unless Campaign Finance Reform is done both parties (Democratic and Republican) will become further corrupt and have less and less reason to do as the people say.

I encourage you to read the facts and not just genuflect.

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:26 AM

34. I Encourage you to get the FACTS ASAP every post you bash President Obama

with Freaking Cenk type Speculation and LIES. That's your agenda. End of story. You're the one who's genuflecting before Cenk.

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:13 AM

27. Republican? You mean like Cenk?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:31 AM

37. boing is selling Cenk hard!

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Response to Cha (Reply #37)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:50 AM

40. He ain't selling him to me. The Republicans threw him back, I wish they had kept him.

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:20 AM

31. It's not like the President offered to cut Social Security benefits by 10% last year, or

asked to raise Medicare eligibility to 67.

Oh... Uh... Actually he did. But whatever.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:24 AM

32. I think the real problem is Most on DU hate that Cenk Brings Up the Ugly Truth on BOTH Sides

 

This is what i find sad......Republicans are horrible but to blindly think that democrats can't be corrupted to is quite silly. This is why money needs to be removed from politics. When we start bashing other democrats for brinigng up the truth you know you are in trouble. We are the party of Facts and if we cant be honest to keep our party honest then what are we?

I really sincerely hope that those here on DU can be more open minded to point out corruption in our own party when it does happen. If you cant then we have become what the very republicans we swore we never would be.

Look objectively in what Cenk is saying. Look up the facts in what the President, Democrats, and Republicans are doing and then judge it. I've done the look up and it seems both parties are pulling a fast one on us. Hope i'm wrong and our party hasnt hit the 100% crap mark just yet.

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:42 PM

60. "...bashing other Democrats for bringing up the truth"

 

I've noticed that DU will turn on someone in a heartbeat if they utter one single thing that someone does'nt agree with.

MSNBC is a good example; the network is 95% on our side, 24 hours a day with great programming, but the second O'Donnell or Matthews says something that doesn't agree 100% with someone's worldview they are idiots, know nothing about politics or someone will post "Fuck Tweety".

They reality is we've never had it so good in the MSM.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:25 AM

33. ALAN GRAYSON Agrees with Cenk

 

So does this mean DU hates Alan Grayson too?

Just saying.

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #33)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:27 AM

35. I need a link for that..that Alan Grayson agrees with Cenk.

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Response to Cha (Reply #35)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:29 AM

36. He was on Current with Alan Grayson (last week)

 

Check their site for a clip. Grayson appears as guest on his show from time to time and they agree on virtually everything. Gotta love Grayson! Now THAT is a Progressive Fighter! God i miss Anthony Weiner!

Oh Bernie Sanders is also a friend of Cenk's and has appeared on his tv show too a number of times and they agree on many issues as well.

Cenk is pretty much about Progressive values and so explains why he is buddy-buddy with all progressive elites including Al Gore, his boss.

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:35 AM

38. No thanks. If Alan Grayson is pushing this shite like cenk than

too bad for him. I don't live in his district so he's not my Rep. I have a Reality based Congresswoman who doesn't need to go around getting attention for whining about the President.

Mazie Hirono stands behind President Obama on ObamaCare and I she'll be backing up his Agenda in Congress.

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Response to Cha (Reply #38)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:45 AM

39. Fascinating thinking you have.

 

Hi Cha...it is a very interesting thinking you have which i assume is similar to many here on DU.

I guess the key difference is i am a Progressive (Liberal) and i prefer that our leaders fight for what they campaigned on...recall that democrats campaign as progressives but they always begin caving and governing as republicans. That to me is odd. I understand compromise but all too often democrats tend to cave in way too easily without any true negotations. Which then we come to the REAL problem: "Money in Politics".

Unless money is removed i think our party will continue to stray to the Right and voters (like you) will continue to shift right as well thinking that these new ideals are in fact Left. That to me is the real "shame".

If we remove money from polticis then we can have a democratic party that truly IS for the people and not pretending to be for us. Right now i feel our party is just a lesser of two evils. I voted for Obama in 2012 because i had no choice (lived in a battleground state)..voting Romney would have been far worse. And all the while our country contnuues to shift Right because no one is holding Democrats accountable (to get more special interest favors).

Read the facts. And thanks for the discussion!

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Response to boingboinh (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:50 AM

41. I really don't have anything more to say to you. Calling our Party "evil" is

just ignorant and insulting.

We'll do the work of Progress with President Obama while you and cenk types sit back and whine about Evil.

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Response to Cha (Reply #38)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:55 PM

54. see my post 53

 

there have been a couple of Grayson posts along that line lately.

it's probably one of his staff because there is no reply or interaction from him in either thread, last I saw anyway.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:50 AM

42. I didn't see tonight's episode.

And I can relate to what you're saying...a lot of times, I can barely stomach his critical rants. But I think Cenk gives the brutal truth on both sides, especially with regards to the Drug War and the drone strikes conflicting with civil liberties. And like Bill Maher said on tonight's show, liberals might as well start making noise about what we want since the election's over! With that said, I did see an episode the other night where it looked like Cenk's panel was basically calling Obama, Rev Al, and Melissa Harris-Perry "faux-gressives", and were making the case that they're not doing enough for black communities. I thought that segment was a swing and miss.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:25 AM

43. Not enough Democratic voters write in and push for what they want

Democratic voters need to organize and push for what they want and not sit back and think President Obama will do automatically what they want.

No cuts in Social Security
No Cuts in medicare
Raise the Taxes on the Rich as he promised during his campaign
If the GOP cannot accept these terms before Jan 1st 2013, let the Bush Tax Cuts Expire!

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:50 AM

44. Some people might call him a sell out for holding back - But - Cenk is a responsible progressive

Obviously any sensible progressive is going to have some major problems with Obama and the Democratic Party professional class in general - but Cenk also recognized that during the election one needs to not muddy the waters and risk contributing to electing the most reactionary political party in the history of modern American - The Fox News led Republicans - however pathetic the Democrats might be. Thus the pragmatic thing to do is to hold fire during the period right around election time and save the progressive perspective on the President and the Democratic Party in general until after the votes are counted. Cenk held fire and that was in my personal opinion the right thing to do even if on one level it can be regarded as being less than intellectually honest, forthcoming and even to some extent selling out. I still think he did the right thing by holding fire for as long as he did. Although some may not agree with me on that.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:42 AM

45. That guy's a turd.

 

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:31 PM

47. Cenk's Rethuglican Roots

Just under the surface...

Always.

I know if I wanted support on the left I'd bash Dems all day long and constantly add that "I'm coming from the left..."

And the suckers would line up very quickly just like here at DU.

Julie

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:52 PM

53. listen to dear, sweet Cenk here

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251247147

I couldn't read all that shit, but I am supposing he is saying that Obama is the same as the 1% that has been ripping us off for the last how many decades, or forever, with the media helping.

Lumping Obama in with Naomi Klein's disaster capitalist group of scum really fucking burns my asshairs.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #53)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 04:58 PM

61. That's how the profitable left makes

their money. Saying stupid things and knowing there are those who will lap it up.

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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:23 PM

55. This isn't a game...

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Social security and the way in which the government reduces the deficit ( taxes ) is very important to actual people's lives. anyone who thinks democracy is voting for a candidate and then just blindly trusting that he will do what you want is probably a " every-4th -year " voter. Elected officials want you to contact them and tell them what you want. If you are here to hear your own point of view repeated to you, then what is the point?

If you listen to the news on Social Security and letting the Bush cuts expire, I think the words are all chosen very carefully. They say the issue is " too complex " to get done now. That means that the GOP isn't really willing to compromise.
The GOP says that "revenue" is on the table. We hear that and think " taxes on the rich ". I think what they mean is putting limits on middle class "loophole" deductions like mortgage interest and child dependents.

We got stomped in the 2010 elections. Did we abandon our beliefs?

Why does everybody think that the GOP has changed its positions?

I'd also like to know why so many Dems are ready to accept reductions in SS and medicare.

If I say that reductions in womens rights, gay rights or minority rights should be "on the table" in exchange for Tax equity and the strengthening of entitlement programs, I would ( and probably will ) catch holy hell. I do not suggest anything of the sort. But if the media say that raising the eligibility age for SS is reasonable, its " necessary compromise ".

I pay into SS for the benefit of our elders, here and now. SS is not an investment in my future; it is an investment in our society . Do some research on the plight of the elderly before Social security.

I'd rather nothing gets done the rest of the year than see any right wing goals achieved .

Social security is my sacred cow. The President is not.

If the tax increases are "too complex to deal with" before the end of the year, doesn't that imply their extension?

Don't take my word for it; look for yourself.

yes, I am a democrat.Yes I voted straight Democrat in the election (NO EXCEPTIONS). No, I do not believe that the GOP has turned over a new leaf. They still want to destroy entitlements and protect the Wealthy. The only thing they will change is their PR image. Yes, I believe that Big Money is still trying to influence policy. No, i do not believe that the Dems are immune to Big Money influence. Yes, I will give our Democrats in office credit when they actually achieve something. No, i do not expect our politicians to know what we want without us telling them. Yes, I believe that sites like DU are used as a gauge of Democrat opinion.





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Response to GusFring (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 03:24 PM

56. who cares what Cenk thinks

 

he's an insufferable bore

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