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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:37 AM

UnskewedPolls.com rises from the dead! They Distort, You Decide!

Cast your vote in their post-election poll.

http://unskewedpolls.com/ (I'd link you directly to the poll, but you don't want to miss the exciting front page.)

Scenario 1 -- Massive vote fraud
Scenario 2 -- Some vote fraud
Scenario 3 -- Obama legitimately reelected

Oh, there are more questions after you submit your choice of "scenarios." I don't know if it's worth my time or yours to answer.

Should we do our own poll here?

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Reply UnskewedPolls.com rises from the dead! They Distort, You Decide! (Original post)
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 OP
BainsBane Nov 2012 #1
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #10
BainsBane Nov 2012 #22
ck4829 Nov 2012 #2
AlGoreRhythms Nov 2012 #3
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #7
BainsBane Nov 2012 #23
mzteaze Nov 2012 #4
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #11
leftynyc Nov 2012 #15
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #25
leftynyc Nov 2012 #31
NCLefty Nov 2012 #5
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #13
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #6
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #8
davidpdx Nov 2012 #9
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #12
davidpdx Nov 2012 #14
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #26
davidpdx Nov 2012 #32
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #35
yashoo Nov 2012 #16
BainsBane Nov 2012 #24
Firebirds01 Nov 2012 #17
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #27
FleetwoodMac Nov 2012 #18
YayArea Nov 2012 #19
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #28
Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #20
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #29
Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #33
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #36
Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2012 #38
shawn703 Nov 2012 #21
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #30
TeamPooka Nov 2012 #34
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #37

Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:40 AM

1. Someone on DU had a bet with the unskewed polls guy

Does anyone know if he paid up?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:29 AM

10. I hadn't heard that, but I did just find the OP that announces it:

Last edited Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:44 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021653878

And here's a follow-up: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251218216

But I haven't found what happened next...

Update: Surprise! The unskewed polls weasel, Dean Chambers, welched on the bet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021809125

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:42 AM

22. What a shock

Of course I'm not surprised. I knew he would welch. Thanks for looking that up.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:41 AM

2. So the polls were skewed AND there was voter fraud? Wow.

If the right is trying to encapsulate itself from the rest of society, then I think we should help them complete that process however we can.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:54 AM

3. Yup!

I guess someone just really didn't want the rethugs to win.

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Response to AlGoreRhythms (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:20 AM

7. It's a conspiracy...

involving over 50% of the American voters!!!!!!

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:43 AM

23. And Republican Secretaries of State

from Ohio and Governor Rick Scott.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:55 AM

4. But...

You have to read his article at Examiner.com....he sort of apologizes.

The comments rightfully skewer him. LOL

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Response to mzteaze (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:34 AM

11. I guess he's sort of retracting his apology. : ) Otherwise, why this ridiculous poll? I

Is "People who are still visiting unskewedpolls.com" even sort of an unskewed sample? Sounds like he's up to his old tricks.

Do you have a link to the Examiner piece?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:43 AM

25. Thanks. So, he has a "column" or whatever it is on Examiner.com? Not that I care to read it,

I just didn't know.

Anyhow, he says,

UnSkewedPolls.com is just one web site and one project I did, and depending on your point of view it was proven wrong, it has run its course or it will fade away.


He predicted Romney would win 275 electoral votes. In fact, Romney won 206 electoral votes. How is there any "point of view" in which he was not proven wrong?

When a hack like this is considered a legitimate source of news or analysis, depending on your point of view, a huge swath of the American public has gone down the rabbit hole, through the looking glass, off the cliff, or out of their fucking minds.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 05:39 AM

31. He's just some hack

who knew by giving some hope to the right he would become famous (for 15 minutes). A week before he said 275 electoral votes, he claimed mitt would get around 350. It was a complete joke but that didn't stop the clowns on the right from quoting this nobody as an oracle. Freeking hilarious.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:23 AM

5. This election left no doubt there's massive $ to be made by telling people lies they want to be true

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Response to NCLefty (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:28 AM

13. That's it! I'm starting my own church/polling firm/Superpac. I should be in the 1% in no time.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:44 AM

6. Is that the turd that got caught posting a fictitious exit poll on his website?

 

The one with Jews and Asians going for Romney.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:22 AM

8. I don't know, but he did say Nate Silver couldn't be correct because his appearance isn't

"manly" enough, or somesuch stupid slur.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:26 AM

9. Besides the fact that we know this is a partisan poll

The way the questions were written were absolute garbage and violate several rules of writing a survey.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he skews the results.

Someone should also tell him his "poll" is open to manipulation. I voted two different times and could vote multiple times if I really wanted to.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:57 AM

12. Right you are. I voted twice too, just to prove I could. I guess they never heard of

anonymous proxies. Real genius, that guy.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:35 AM

14. Yep I have a VPN service

Because I was in China for part of the last year. I could make myself look like I'm in any city.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:54 AM

26. Hmmm. So, don't you feel like messing with him and submitting poll results "from" Russian,

Chinese, and North Korean cities? It could be the next windmill he tilts.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 05:46 AM

32. No North Korean or Chinese VPNs

I do have a few in Russia. The dirtbag isn't worth my time. I'd rather send him some slimfast and a book on losing weight.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:12 AM

35. Glad you don't have time, because it may have "forced" him to lash out at someone else.

I thought I'd have to give him credit for apologizing for his comments about Nate Silver being obviously an incompetent poll analyst due to his "effeminate" voice and appearance.

But, he had to go and ruin it with this:

In this article about me and the UnSkewedPolls.com web site, on some web site called “The Daily Banter” whatever that is, I was described this way by the author of the article, Bob Cesca, writing about me and judging me by only one picture of me he saw, because I”ve never personally met Mr. Cesca:

“Unskewed founder Dean Chambers is the Bizarro Nate Silver. Whereas Silver is a mathematical and statistical savant who’s a half man, half slide-rule chimera — a skinny New Yorker who’s devised astonishingly accurate forecasting models for both sports and politics, and who exhaustively explains his work on a daily basis aboard his FiveThirtyEight blog for the New York Times. And then there’s Chambers, a portly Southern amateur who thinks he’s uncovered a widespread polling scam when, in fact, he’s merely stripped out any and all accuracy or calculated methodology and just, you know, made stuff up to confirm his political bias, boost his internet traffic and win the adulation of terrified, flailing conservatives scrambling for electoral life preservers as the Romney-Ryan campaign ship rapidly takes on water.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/regarding-my-comments-about-nate-silver-s-appearance

So you can see how he was forced to say this about someone other than the person who referred to him as portly:

“Nate Silver is a man of very small stature, a thin and effeminate man with a soft-sounding voice that sounds almost exactly like the “Mr. New Castrati” voice used by Rush Limbaugh on his program. In fact, Silver could easily be the poster child for the New Castrati in both image and sound.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:25 AM

16. give him credit

like any true conservative, he's not going to let a gargantuan public embarrassment and failure deter him from making a little more money off of the crazies

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Response to yashoo (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:44 AM

24. Excellent point nt

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:32 AM

17. He has an "apology" to Nate Silver.

 

He tried to discredit Silver by saying he was thin an effeminate. I guess your worth as a person is dependent on how much you bench?

In his "apology" he says this....

Nate Silver, like most liberal and leftist celebrities and favorites, might be of average intelligence but is surely not the genius he's made out to be.



Does he know that Silver said he would likely vote for Romney or a libertarian candidate???/

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Response to Firebirds01 (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:59 AM

27. Something told me to look at your profile:

Information on this Transparency page is currently displayed to logged-in members because the member's posting privileges were revoked on Nov 14, 2012. Nov 14, 2012. Previously banned multiple times.


So, has anyone who's not a troll heard Silver say that?

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:26 AM

18. Should someone tell him the election is over?

Because halfway down the page, there is a poll summary that shows Romney leading!

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:29 AM

19. They have a mandate to use an eye-hurting RGB scheme over there.

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Response to YayArea (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:24 AM

28. Ha! Read comment number 4 in the thread linked here:

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:30 AM

20. My Favorite....

In the follow-up questions, that asks your religion.

One of the options is "Christian" and another option is "Catholic"

????

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:02 AM

29. Yeah, odd. I also wondered about the categories used in the map of "Leading Churches" in America,

here. They have the following categories:

Baptist
Catholic
Christian
Latter Day Saints
Lutheran
Mennonite
Lutheran
Reformed (Jewish only ,I'm guessing)
Other (Adventist, Anglican, Brethren, Friends, Orthodox, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, United Church of Christ, None.)

Most of those should be subcategories of Christian, it seems to me. I guess it makes sense not to bother with indicating that on the map itself, but they could do so in the key. Do we assume plain old Christian is the same as Fundie or Evangelical?

By the way, don't miss seeing the various maps, including the aforementioned, overlaid on the electoral map and various adjusted for proportionately adjusted maps in this DU thread.

It's odd that (un)skewed dude only separates out Catholics from the others under the Christian umbrella. (What would Paul Ryan say?) And it annoys me that he lists Atheist and Agnostic as religions. Here are his categories (for anyone not wanting to take the poll to find out):

Christian
Catholic
Jewish
Hindu
Buddhist
Muslim
Atheist or Agnostic
Other

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:20 AM

33. Reformed...

I was curious about "Reformed" as a denomination -- as they are clustered in Western Michigan, you can pretty much bet that it's not Jewish.

The Protestant Reformed Churches is this weird Calvinist denomination concentrated around Holland, MI. They're mighty conservative: if your spouse is unfaithful or abusive, you're allowed to get a divorce, but you're NEVER allowed to remarry. That would be adultery. Only men are allowed to vote on church matters. You get the picture.

Turns out I know one of the adherents. She's a very pleasant young woman, but I'm pretty sure she voted for Romney.

Edit: Kind of surprised they even showed up on the map, really. It's a pretty minor sect.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:25 AM

36. Ah, thanks for that. I hadn't checked out that map that carefully. By the way, my Catholic

grandmother divorced her husband, because he was an abusive drunkard and cheater. She always said she could never remarry because of the church. Funny thing, I'm pretty sure the rule was that you were not supposed to divorce in the first place.

She lived in Maryland all her life, so, I guess it wouldn't be likely she got that idea from some "Reformed" person.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:36 AM

38. I think the Catholics cut you some slack on that...

The "old school" doctrine was one marriage per customer (lifetime limit). But I think these days there is some sensitivity and that an annulment might be an option.

Full Disclosure: I'm a Lutheran, so I'm hardly an expert on this subject.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:42 AM

21. Why is he back?

The country is going to end because we elected the Marxist Fascist Kenyan. Shouldn't he start packing his survivalist gear rather than analyzing polls?

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Response to shawn703 (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:18 AM

30. He's accepting donations.

Unfortunately, no promise to spend that dosh retreating to a cave to await the apocalypse. Maybe if we throw him a going astray party?

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:12 PM

34. thgey must have made some serious money from web ads at that site this year

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:51 AM

37. Yet, he still welched on the bet he lost.

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