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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:15 PM

 

Obama ready to sell us down the river?

Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:01 PM - Edit history (2)

It appears that he was. Let's hope he's changed his thinking! If this has been discussed on DU previously, I missed it:

http://presspass.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/11/15089281-white-house-grand-bargain-offer-to-speaker-boehner-obtained-by-bob-woodward
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/12/1160891/-Leaked-deal-memo-from-grand-bargain-talks-show-threat-to-Social-Security-Medicare-safety-net
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/13/1160951/-Tricare-the-sacred-health-insurance-program-for-the-military
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-09/obama-boehner-2011-near-deal-give-blueprint-for-debt-deal.html


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Reply Obama ready to sell us down the river? (Original post)
AAO Nov 2012 OP
Indpndnt Nov 2012 #1
satxdem Nov 2012 #7
Thrill Nov 2012 #2
notadmblnd Nov 2012 #3
AAO Nov 2012 #4
notadmblnd Nov 2012 #8
AAO Nov 2012 #11
Jennicut Nov 2012 #21
nichomachus Nov 2012 #5
AAO Nov 2012 #6
John2 Nov 2012 #10
WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #22
Cha Nov 2012 #9
progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #12
Xyzse Nov 2012 #13
EC Nov 2012 #14
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #15
One of the 99 Nov 2012 #16
democrattotheend Nov 2012 #17
AAO Nov 2012 #18
busterbrown Nov 2012 #19
ieoeja Nov 2012 #20

Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:17 PM

1. I wouldn't believe Bob Woodward if he told me rain was wet.

I read that name and stopped there.

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:35 PM

7. lol.

I know. My thoughts exactly.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:17 PM

2. Woodward is a trouble making Chump

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:18 PM

3. A year ago July? I think things have changed a bit since then.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:28 PM

4. I hope you are right. The idea that the White House produced this document (if true) enrages me.

 

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Response to AAO (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:36 PM

8. I googled it and found no reference to it at all

Who is this Nabors person and do you have a link to the document? I don't see anything that says it is from the White House.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:01 PM

11. You know, I really don't know who he is, but D-Kos has the same story:

 

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Response to AAO (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:43 PM

21. Probably Rob Nabors.

Director of Legislative Affairs. Works with Congress on legislative issues.


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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:29 PM

5. Woodward is CIA -- nuff said

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:32 PM

6. Everyone seems pretty dismissive of this.

 

I'm not going to comment anymore on this, but I am bookmarking it.

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Response to AAO (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:40 PM

10. That

 

document is old, which Bob Woodward is going around trying to torpedo the President with before he was re-elected and had a weaker position. People like you are who he is trying to get attention from to cause trouble. Woodward is a snake and irrelevant. That document has nothing to do with what is going on now. This guy is very transparent.

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Response to John2 (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:11 PM

22. The fax to Woodward is dated 11/9/2012...

AFTER the election. Read the fine print.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:37 PM

9. Bob Fucking Woodward.. Asshole.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:09 PM

12. Wow. the assholes really come out of the woodwork after the elections.

i'm reminded why I dislike DU so much. Get out of your little thought experiment, and into the real world. Geez.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:11 PM

13. July 19, 2011 Draft... That thing is Over a YEAR Old

I can't really put much credence on that since it is too outdated.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:17 PM

14. Yeah,

you missed it. It has been discussed here.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:17 PM

15. Fine: Don't vote for him again

AAAAAH Shit, kid!

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:27 PM

16. Woodward still blames the President...

for blowing up the negotiations, claiming that the President wouldn't compromise enough.

Guess lifelong Republican Woodward is not only living in the bubble but like FAUX news is creating it.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:12 PM

17. Maybe he was then, but it doesn't look like he is now

Re-election has emboldened him, and he is in a very different place than he was last July, when he faced the prospect of an already weak economy sliding back on his watch a year before the election. He had a gun to his head then that he doesn't have now. All indications so far are that he intends to stand his ground. Inevitably, he will have to compromise at some point, but it looks like he has learned his lesson about starting out from a compromise position.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:30 PM

18. Thank you for one of the few civil responses.

 

Now I must go sleepy-pie.

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Response to AAO (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:32 PM

20. Make Bush tax cuts permanent, lower corporate tax rates, eliminate AMT, keep military spending, etc.


There is no way this can be true. While I view Obama as a horrid bargainer, he does not even offer a bargain in this. I can not find a single thing in there that varies 0.00000000000000001% from the Republican stance.

Actually, it probably is true. It is probably a "Grand Bargain" plan written by the Republicans and delivered to the Obama administration. That would actually make sense.


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