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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:16 PM

Just talked to my conservative neighbor...

And he said something that really concerned me. He said that President Obama "simply isn't one of us." He quickly said that it's not about "where he was born" but who he is. I asked him to elaborate and this is the answer I got:

"He never served in the military and he's never run a business." I mentioned to him that I haven't served in the military to which he replied "Well, neither have I, but my father did!"

This is the problem I have with the righties...they believe that if an American citizen isn't exactly like THEM, and have had THEIR experiences, they are somehow "less" of an American than they are. This divisive attitude is what's polarizing this country. Now, I understand that people tend to vote for candidates who they believe understands their needs and values. I personally didn't feel that Mitt Romney could possibly understand the needs and problems of people like myself, given the fact his background is very different from mine. However, I have never doubted that Mitt Romney is as much of an American as I am.

The truth is this--it takes ALL KINDS of people to make a strong society and thus a great country. Why is it that so many conservatives cannot understand this?

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Reply Just talked to my conservative neighbor... (Original post)
BlueDemKev Nov 2012 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2012 #1
MichiganVote Nov 2012 #2
Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #3
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #4
Cali_Democrat Nov 2012 #12
sellitman Nov 2012 #20
TheBlackAdder Nov 2012 #25
Lex Nov 2012 #33
Nonhlanhla Nov 2012 #36
renate Nov 2012 #58
JoePhilly Nov 2012 #41
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #47
Rambis Nov 2012 #51
old guy Nov 2012 #52
Raster Nov 2012 #53
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #5
We People Nov 2012 #21
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #26
busterbrown Nov 2012 #6
nc4bo Nov 2012 #7
FLyellowdog Nov 2012 #8
MissMarple Nov 2012 #59
FLyellowdog Nov 2012 #61
craigmatic Nov 2012 #9
EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #10
Mike Nelson Nov 2012 #11
Ilsa Nov 2012 #55
cleduc Nov 2012 #13
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #27
Awknid Nov 2012 #14
SoCalNative Nov 2012 #15
ejbr Nov 2012 #17
Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #22
TheOther95Percent Nov 2012 #24
progressoid Nov 2012 #28
Cosmocat Nov 2012 #42
sammytko Nov 2012 #16
N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2012 #18
Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #23
JoeyT Nov 2012 #34
ejbr Nov 2012 #19
progressoid Nov 2012 #29
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #32
cgnick Nov 2012 #30
beac Nov 2012 #31
Beachy Nov 2012 #37
quaker bill Nov 2012 #35
lunatica Nov 2012 #38
a kennedy Nov 2012 #39
davidpdx Nov 2012 #40
MuttLikeMe Nov 2012 #43
Firebirds01 Nov 2012 #44
cleduc Nov 2012 #45
treestar Nov 2012 #46
justiceischeap Nov 2012 #48
Xyzse Nov 2012 #49
gang Nov 2012 #50
hlthe2b Nov 2012 #54
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #56
denverbill Nov 2012 #57
MrsBrady Nov 2012 #60
DFW Nov 2012 #62
CBHagman Nov 2012 #63

Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:19 PM

1. Because they are afraid of people who seem "different" than they are.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:19 PM

2. All I read out of that translation is that Obama does not measure up to the white

American that some people think is equal to the blue eyed blonde Jesus they want to believe in.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:20 PM

3. They have trouble connecting the dots

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:20 PM

4. "Not one of us" = "he's black"

Your neighbor is a racist, and his tip-toeing is simply trying to hide that fact under a pile of bullshit.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:47 PM

12. +1

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:25 PM

20. +2

Your neighbor is a racist bastard.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:07 PM

25. +3

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:53 PM

33. +4

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:23 AM

36. I agree

I grew up in South Africa (have lived in the US for 15 years now) and I know racism when I see it. This is as clear as it can be.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:01 PM

58. welcome to DU!

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:15 AM

41. Racism with "reverse engineering".

The guy is a racist and thinks Obama is "not one of us" ... but he can't say that, so he has to "reverse engineer" the rationale.

If Obama had run a business, or if he had served in the military, or even both, the guy would simply manufacture other justifications to describe his feeling that "Obama isn't one of us."

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #41)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:42 AM

47. Correctamundo! , nt

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:54 AM

51. That means black guy

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:56 AM

52. +5

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:58 AM

53. +6

He's Black.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:21 PM

5. What about Obama's mother or grandparents?

From Kansas

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Response to Blue4Texas (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:31 PM

21. And his maternal grandfather was a WWII vet

See the image of his Dunham grandparents at
http://bit.ly/PQo59A

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Response to We People (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:10 PM

26. Thank you. I'll remember that :)

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:24 PM

6. Good example of another racist trying hide his bigotry. Thats all it is and thats all it ever is!N/T

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:32 PM

7. My Bigot-dar is going off. Your neighbor is prejudiced and probably a racist.

Perhaps he hasn't recognized it in himself but that's the word we're looking for here.

I call people out on this whenever I get the opportunity. I especially like to call out those who declare they are not.

I'm black, my bigot-dar is always set on "sensitive".

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:34 PM

8. "Otherness" syndrome...

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Response to FLyellowdog (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:06 PM

59. Like tribalism. And the instinct is much stronger in many people.

In fact, Jonathan Haidt says we, liberals, are actually in the minority. We are more open to novelty and accepting of change. Conservatives are less tolerant, more religious and hierarchical. We are all born the way we are but we can change our views. It is just easier for us. Google him. I think he's great. A lot of work has been done in this area in the past 20 years or so.

http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

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Response to MissMarple (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:02 AM

61. Will do.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:37 PM

9. Say it with me everybody "that neighbor is racist".

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:41 PM

10. This is funny because more of Obama's male relatives

served in the military than rmoney. Not one rmoney male going back generations ever served
in the military. Obama's Grandfather and his Uncle both served during WW2.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:45 PM

11. Many think Ronald Reagan and John Wayne fought bravely in wars...

...while George McGovern and John Kerry did not... they only see what they want to see.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:07 AM

55. Exactly. And they can't stand to be corrected. nt

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:52 PM

13. But

From top post:
"He never served in the military and he's never run a business." I mentioned to him that I haven't served in the military to which he replied "Well, neither have I, but my father did!"


Stanley Dunham was much more of a father to Barack than Obama Sr - who spent just a few weeks with him when he was old enough to remember it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama
...
Stanley Dunham is the grandfather of Barack Obama. He was born in 1918 and served as a sergeant in the U.S. Army during World War II, enlisting just after the attacks on Pearl Harbor. Stanley and his wife Madelyn raised Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii.
...
Charles Thomas Payne: Great-uncle of Barack Obama, younger brother of Madelyn Dunham, born 1925. Served during World War II in the U.S. Army 89th Infantry Division (cleduc - 89th division was part of General George Patton's Third US Army). Obama has often described Payne's role in liberating Ohrdruf forced labor camp.
...
Ralph Dunham: Great-uncle of Barack Obama, older brother of Stanley Dunham, born 1916. He served in the U.S. Army as an assignment and personnel officer during World War II, landing at Normandy's Omaha Easy Red Beach on D-Day plus four, working his way through France, Italy and Germany.


Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham: Barack Obama's maternal grandmother
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madelyn_Lee_Payne_Dunham#World_War_II
During World War II, .... Madelyn worked the night shift on a Boeing B-29 assembly line in Wichita.


That is as American a family history as apple pie.

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Response to cleduc (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:18 PM

27. We People posted link above of Grandpa Dunham

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:54 PM

14. Racism is only part of it.

He's racist because he is afraid of anyone not like him. Racism is caused mostly from being afraid of the people in the race they are against.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:59 PM

15. Mitt didn't serve in the military either

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:22 PM

17. + 1 n/t

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:38 PM

22. Romney dodged the draft

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:49 PM

24. Mitt Didn't Serve, His Father Didn't Serve, His Grandfather Didn't Serve...

Shall I continue? Okay. None of Mitt's sons served.

Your neighbor is a racist prick.

He voted for the white guy whose family has no military service instead of an African American with a maternal grandfather and Great Uncle Charlie; both of whom served in WW II.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:51 PM

28. Yeah, but he doesn't have that skin condition the President has.







do I need this:

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:47 AM

42. Right, this isn't about color for crying out loud

it is simply us vs them, sports like loyalty to the team.

If someone had the same exact life experience as Barrack Obama, from the color of his skin to his childhood to his education to being a community organizer, but he was willing to spew the nonsense that republicans spew, and he got elected president, they would LOVE him.

It is ALL BS, and they just blow in the wind depending on the situation to rationalize their nonsense.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:07 PM

16. tell him he doesn't have anything in common with Romney either - duh n/t

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:23 PM

18. I live in a mobile home "park'

Nobody here is even close to middle class.

Most wanted Obama out of office. Absolutely no arguing with them.

I'm in a "white" neighborhood.

They portray themselves as Conservatives.

No, knowing them they are just racists.

Sorry but true!



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Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:40 PM

23. but even if a white Dem stood?

would the same people vote for a white Dem - probably no.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:01 AM

34. No they wouldn't.

And their reason would be because the white Democrat would give everything to "teh blackz".

Even when it's a white guy they're voting against, they're doing it because they hate minorities.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:23 PM

19. Did Reagan ever run a business? n/t

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:53 PM

29. "He's not one of us" was going around a lot during the campaign.

As if Rmoney was.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:52 PM

32. Romney's white. To them, that's all that matters.

Never mind he's a Wall St predator who doesn't pay taxes, and a mormon bishop to boot. Just being white was sufficient for many voters.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:07 PM

30. Republicans, the great dividers and hypocrites

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:12 PM

31. "He never served in the military and he's never run a business." also applies to Paul Ryan!

And Ryan has worked in "big government" for almost 2 decades. By his logic, isn't Ryan not "one of us" as well??

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Response to beac (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:30 AM

37. Exactly!

That was the first thing I thought of when I read the rascist neighbor's comment.
And, I wonder how many people who supported Romney even KNOW about his draft dodging? Or if they do, why does he get a "pass" on that?

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:57 AM

35. None of them are "one of us"

Joe Biden is as close to "one of us" as anyone at that level of gov't has been in decades. He is the only serious example.

GWB, white skin and a redneck accent gave him the appearance, but he was in fact the coddled son of a millionaire and legacy admit to the Ivey League, the only "jobs" he had were running companies dad and dad's friends put him in charge of that he ran into the ground. Not really "one of us".

BHO, working class roots for sure, but President of the Harvard Law Review, sets him apart from "one of us"

Mittens, vulture capitalist son of a millionaire. Nothing in even the most pro-Mitt background pieces ever suggested that he ever did work that raised a sweat or got his hands dirty.

Kerry, married very well indeed - Ivey League - not one of us.

You have to walk a fair way back into history to find "one of us" rising to that level. Some candidates faked it better than others.

None of this is offered as criticism per se, there is nothing essentially wrong with being an exception. It is what you do with it that matters. The problem is the illusion that these folks are "one of us", as they largely aren't, but making it seem that way is good propoganda.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:32 AM

38. Your neighbor belongs to the barbed wire Idiocratic Party

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:49 AM

39. Oh, and the billionaire mittwitt IS like him??

Give me a break. Ugh....

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:57 AM

40. People like that are never going to change their opinions

My mom has said she has a few friends like that where she lives and told me it really bothers her. She voted for Obama both times.

I've never served in the military or run a business either. That doesn't make me any less of an American.

Their logic is just plain F@(& up!

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:49 AM

43. He's racist. Plain and simple.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:53 AM

44. Obamas

 

grandfather liberated a Nazi concentration camp.


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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:21 AM

45. Michael Lewis did an interview on Bloomberg a while back

that I posted here.

He was asked if a CEO's experience was a good qualification for president and he responded that he didn't think so.

A Chairman of the Board and Owner of a company is the God of that company. Everything he says and does that is lawful goes. He has 100% complete control to hire, fire or delegate employees to do whatever he wants that company to do. He can go into other markets/businesses or get out of other markets/businesses. He can set prices and wages, etc. The CEO is the primary and final decision maker.

Although regarded as "the most powerful man in the world", the president doesn't have that same power as a CEO. He has that authority over those employed directly by the administration with some strings attached. for example, he has to get congressional approval to hire key "management" - the cabinet. And if he fires someone, that also can come under scrutiny by congress - as can nearly any decision he makes by the media and congress - unlike most CEOs.

The president can influence who becomes a judge with nominations. But the final decision and approval is with congress. And once he's made that pick, he can't make the decisions that that judge will ultimately make - he can't fire that judge. So he doesn't have much control over the judicial branch as we saw with Citizens United.

And we've certainly seen that the President doesn't have much control over congress over the last four years - even when his party has a majority in both houses. He's an influencer of that decision process only if his party has some control within one of those houses but not the final decision maker like a CEO - with the exception of a veto to stop a bad decision.

I think a guy like Romney who has been a CEO would find the presidency quite an adjustment and frustrating because he can't control as much of what goes on as many people think.

The president has a bunch of control over foreign policy but even there, diplomacy is required. Now a CEO usually possesses a component of that: salesmanship. But even there, as the president, salesmanship has it's limitations and isn't the same thing - pitching to potential customers vs trying to get along with foreign adversaries that may be trying to kill you literally.

Even the economics is considerably different. A CEO is usually focused on making a bottom line profit. The US government is not trying to make a profit on Medicare, Social Security, Military spending, etc - they're non profit entities while that's the lion's share of the country's expenses. And the economics is not purely market driven within a slice of the economy like a CEO faces - it's macro economics with currency, inflation, interest rates, tax incentives, median incomes, etc - a different economic problem than what the CEO encounters.

Having experience as a CEO is a nice to have experience but far from a requirement for president because the jobs are truly so different.

People often overlook that Barack Obama has run a couple of billion dollar entities pretty darn well: his campaigns in the 2008 primary and general election & the 2012 general election cleaned his rivals clock in generating direct revenues and how smartly those campaigns managed their money/expenses. He hired great management and staff. The effort was focused, lawful and disciplined. The marketing was slicker with "Change we can believe in", etc and the more effective advertising. The technology was better from internet financing, messaging and supporting the ground game. And all those campaigns were run much better than his rivals on a business level (Clinton, McCain & Romney).

As others have noted, Lincoln, Roosevelt & Reagan and the vast majority of US presidents had no CEO experience.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:41 AM

46. Mitt has never run a business either

He bought and sold them. He drained and bankrupted them.

Military service is simply unnecessary. Most people haven't done military service.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:46 AM

48. Bill Clinton - Never served in military, never had a real "job"

Clinton was a life-long career politician. Amazingly, you never heard the "he wasn't one of us" stuff about him.

These people need to get over themselves. It's coming to a point where it's more likely we'll have a President who hasn't been in the military or run a business. And those that think you need some sort of business experience to be the President need to watch a few seasons of The West Wing or read a book about how our Federal government is run. The President is more like a figure head than a CEO. Not to say the President doesn't make important decisions but he has so many advisors around him and people actually running the government that he doesn't need to have those specific experiences.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:49 AM

49. Romney didn't go to the Military either

Neither did his father, grandfather or some such.
That is just an excuse.

In regards to Business, businesses especially large ones are not bound by a country any more.
In fact, larger businesses declare losses in the US with their profits elsewhere to reduce or get off paying taxes altogether.

Sorry but no, like another person here said, "Not One of Us = Black"

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:49 AM

50. that's ridiculous

 

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:02 AM

54. Perhaps you should mention that neither Romney, his five sons, his father nor his grandfather served

Something that still astounds me as I don't know a single person whose grandfather (or father, depending on their age cohort) did not serve in WWI, WWII, Korea, or Vietnam. I know NO ONE like the Romneys.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:24 AM

56. Two of my neighbors are unapologetic bigots. I left my Obama signs out for them.

 

Actually, it was just to piss them off. Obama's black - get the fuck over it already. He'll at least be in the list of "best presidents", if not THE best, in historical accounts. The racists just can't handle it.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:33 AM

57. Yes and Obama's grandfather was on Normandy beach on D-Day plus 4.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:45 PM

60. if your neighbor is saying that...they

are saying everything but saying...
"we don't like him because he's black."

that's what they mean, but they know they can't say that...
so they say that other bs instead.

They just don't like it that the black man might be helping them.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:33 AM

62. The right touts "the American Dream" and then disdains the two recent presidents who embody it

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, who both had childhoods of hardship, both were accorded college on scholarships because they were smart and had determination, despite being poor. Rather than use their educations for immediate financial gain, they went into public service instead, and rose to the highest office in the land.

And yet the radical right STILL insists on preferring those who, as was so accurately said about W, "were born of third base and think they hit a triple." That's what you get when a third of the country watches Fox "News," listens to National Hate Radio, and actually believes what they hear.

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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:36 AM

63. Answer: "So his grandfather's service doesn't count?"

To say nothing of his great uncle's:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/06/ap_obama_grandfather_060609/

Service members in the family? Check. Just like many of us.

Second question to pose: "Did you know that under presidents who have been businessmen, the country has done less well economically?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/can-a-businessman-help-the-economy-for-presidents-the-answer-has-been-no/2012/10/19/3e96459e-17ab-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_story.html

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