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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:58 PM

Republicans Turn to Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio to Repair Breach With Hispanics

Paging Jeb Bush.

Your party needs you.

In the aftermath of Tuesday's election losses, Republicans have been scrambling to formulate a fix for what went wrong.

A big part of that calculation involves repairing relations with Hispanics, the fast-growing electoral power base that rejected Republican Mitt Romney's "self deportation" immigration solution and voted for President Obama in numbers that exceeded 70 percent.

And they'll need help from influential Republicans like Bush. The former Florida governor, a brother and son of former presidents, has long advised his party to take a new tone on Latinos and immigration and to "get beyond where we are," as he said during the GOP convention.

The election thumping at the hands of Latino voters was so severe that GOP House Speaker John Boehner stunned his Democratic colleagues by calling for comprehensive immigration reform, something he has not advocated previously.

http://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/post/republicans-turn-jeb-bush-marco-rubio-repair-breach-hispanics

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Tony_FLADEM Nov 2012 OP
wilt the stilt Nov 2012 #1
FarPoint Nov 2012 #9
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #43
flamingdem Nov 2012 #52
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #55
Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2012 #2
napi21 Nov 2012 #3
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #23
jody Nov 2012 #4
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #26
Retrograde Nov 2012 #36
workinclasszero Nov 2012 #54
htuttle Nov 2012 #5
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #22
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #44
HockeyMom Nov 2012 #6
lalalu Nov 2012 #7
NewJeffCT Nov 2012 #29
lalalu Nov 2012 #30
NewJeffCT Nov 2012 #34
lalalu Nov 2012 #35
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #45
Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #8
musiclawyer Nov 2012 #10
EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #11
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #46
fujiyama Nov 2012 #12
SoapBox Nov 2012 #13
tanyev Nov 2012 #14
left on green only Nov 2012 #15
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2012 #16
calico1 Nov 2012 #17
libdem4life Nov 2012 #18
Retrograde Nov 2012 #37
libdem4life Nov 2012 #38
Retrograde Nov 2012 #41
libdem4life Nov 2012 #48
Malikshah Nov 2012 #19
RBInMaine Nov 2012 #20
pansypoo53219 Nov 2012 #21
union_maid Nov 2012 #24
yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2012 #25
ready2go83 Nov 2012 #27
davidpdx Nov 2012 #28
johnlucas Nov 2012 #31
libdem4life Nov 2012 #39
johnlucas Nov 2012 #49
libdem4life Nov 2012 #50
Sunlei Nov 2012 #32
NCLefty Nov 2012 #33
bushisanidiot Nov 2012 #40
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #42
Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #47
Jennicut Nov 2012 #51
workinclasszero Nov 2012 #53

Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:59 PM

1. get that token out there

Rubio is a lightweight compared to Julian Castro.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:17 PM

9. Shall we say the Castro twins.

Julian's twin brother won a House seat from what I hear.

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Response to wilt the stilt (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:51 PM

43. Agreed

Rubio is a Tea Partier

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Response to Blue4Texas (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:52 AM

52. He will flip flop and move to the center

He is not a stupid guy but he does have a sleazy past having spent 100000 on his GOP credit card for personal purchases, he got "mixed up".

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #52)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:45 PM

55. Hope somebody saved

His right wing tapes

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:02 PM

2. It would be great if they are truly interested in (really) reaching out to Hispanics

and advocating/supporting policies that actually do something helpful instead of trying to make their message sound "better".

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:04 PM

3. Either of those guys would do 100% better than Mittens did, BUT

I doubt very much either of them would kiss up to the RWers like Mittens did, so are they ready to accept somebody who is more of a center right candidate?

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Response to napi21 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:04 PM

23. They ARE right wingers, and if they don't kiss up they alienate their base. LOSE LOSE situation.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:07 PM

4. Strongest GOP ticket: Jeb & Marco Rubio or Jeb & Condoleezza Rice? nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:17 PM

26. You Can't Have Two Candidates For President From The Same State/nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:48 PM

36. Sure you can

There's nothing to prevent a race in 2016 between, say, Romney and Elizabeth Warren, both from Massachusetts. It's commonly believed that you can't have the pres and vp candidates from the same state: the Constitution allows this, but the electors from that state can only vote for one of them. So if it were to come down to Florida again, with a Bush/Rubio ticket, the Florida electors would have to decide whether to vote for Bush/Someone_Else or Someone_Else/Rubio, which, if all the other states voted per custom, could result in a president and vice-president from different parties. That's the practical reason it's not done, along with a perception that the ticket should be somehow balanced.

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Response to jody (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:05 PM

54. They would never make it out of the primaries

The teabaggers, fox news and hate radio will see to that

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:09 PM

5. Yeah, Jeb! Bring out the little brown ones!

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Response to htuttle (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:03 PM

22. Americans are DONE with the Bushes, and Rubio is a right winger Hispanic, not progressive like most

Hispanics.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:55 PM

44. Rubio is a Tea Partier before Hispanic :)

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:11 PM

6. Rubio co-sponsored the Blunt Amendment

As a female, that would be enough for me not to vote for the likes of him, anymore than I would vote for a Palin or a Backmann just because they are female. Hell, I even voted for Obama over Hillary (female) in the Primary because I thought Hillary wasn't quite ready for the job. In the future? Maybe. Gender, or race, or ethnicity is not enough for me, as a (White) WOMAN.

It is the MESSAGE, not the MESSENGER that is the problem with them. They just don't get it, and maybe never will.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:12 PM

7. Wow, so they automatically feel Hispanics

 

because Jeb Bush married a Hispanic woman and Rubio is Hispanic?

So i guess Clarence's wife Virginia Thomas is down with black people and Herman Cain is the new MLK.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:27 AM

29. Yes, a lot of them do believe that

In their eyes, everybody that is not a white male is a sheep that wants to be led - Sarah Palin was the VP nominee in 2008 because the GOP thought women upset at Hillary losing to Obama would switch to Palin just because she was a woman. Yet, Palin ended up being more popular among men than women and McCain lost big.

And, just the same with Herman Cain, Marco Rubio or Condy Rice. Many in the GOP will believe that African-Americans, Hispanics and/or women will just suddenly drop their normal voting patterns and vote Republican just based on the skin color and/or sex of who is on the ticket. Romney wasn't joking when he said he thought it would be easier if he were Hispanic. A lot of Republicans believe that minorities have it easy and are just too lazy to get ahead since they enjoy being on the government dole so much.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:34 AM

30. They can't even comprehend

 

how offensive that is.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #30)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:12 PM

34. I hope you're not surprised

I've worked with enough Republicans over the years to know that they feel that minorities are lazy and have a lot of advantages to help them get ahead - citing Colin Powell, Condy Rice, Clarence Thomas and/or Alberto Gonzales as proof.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:22 PM

35. I am not suprised.

 

It is just sad that in 2012 this is their version of being progressive.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:56 PM

45. And their version of being Hispanic

Or any minority

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:12 PM

8. Latinos know that the 'white' party wants to deport them

look at Arizona.

the horse has already bolted. Not repairable for the Republicans.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:19 PM

10. The quickest way to neuter this

is to get these clowns on the record
1. Will you vote for a personhood law?

2. Do you support comprehensive immigration reform

3. Would you support repeal of equal / fair pay laws

4. Do you approve of the Ryan budget including the voucher system for Medicare

5 do you support a standardized voting law

Even one wrong answer from the tea bagger perspective and its over

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:21 PM

11. So they are getting magic ponies to hand out to the Latino Community...

LOL. Latinos are politically astute and have so much at stake in future elections. They don't want
ponies but sound authentic immigration reform. 50,000 Latinos turn eighteen every month. 50,000!

If Democrats fight for the Latino community they will be loyal party members for generations to come.
They want their children to have educational and employment opportunities just as everyone else does.

My Grandfather immigrated to the US from Mexico in 1920. He became a member of the Democratic Party
and worked hard for the party and fellow Mexicans that re-located to Chicago. My sons are now 4th generation
Democrats because of my Grandfathers great affection for the party. My point is, we need to do the right
thing now and reap the benefits for years to come or pay the consequences.

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Response to EmeraldCityGrl (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:12 PM

46. 4 Generations in Texas

My grandfather was a land owner in Texas when Hispanics could not run for office. He worked on LBJ's Texas election because he promised Hispanics that he would advocate for and advance a Civil Rights Act as he progressed in his political career. When I was 13 my grandfather told me to always vote Democrat, now my sons do as well. I can't see GOP recruiting Hispanics successfully without a history with us.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:23 PM

12. Pathetic

They'll get their tokens out there and make an insincere about face on an issue or two...

And they have the gall to accuse the Democrats of pandering? Sorry, GOPers you still don't fucking get it. Until you roundly and decisively condemn and kick out the likes of Limbaugh from your ranks and distance yourself from the stupid, hateful and nasty rhetoric, no minority will take your late awakened "enlightenment" seriously.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:26 PM

13. Just Say NO to Bush!

...no more Bush...ever again.

And Marco "Weasel" Rubio? I think not.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:26 PM

14. "Help us, Marco Rubio. You're our only hope!"

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:03 PM

15. I would challenge Liz Halloran's thesis that.........

......the mean Hispanic population of the USA emanates from Cuba or Florida, and is therefore responsible for our country's Hispanic population's allegiance to either Marco Polo or Jeb Bush.

I live on the West coast, but even so, it seems to me that Mexico is the *main* source of the Hispanic population in this country, not Florida or Cuba. Do the majority of Hispanics who live in the USA even know who Marco Polo is? As for Jeb Bush, I think he probably reminds most of our Hispanic population (in addition to myself and probably a lot of other people) of the "dude" who tried to sell them their last new car. (no offense to new car salesmen intended)

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:04 PM

16. The GOPers seem to think they can trot out some token

with a Hispanic-sounding surname as their next nominee, or running mate, and that will make everything fine. Maybe soft-pedal the self-deportation stuff a little bit, too; sling a little BS around about coming up with a "fair" immigration policy. Yep, that'll work.

Unfortunately the powers that be in the GOP seem to have failed to notice that their base - mostly old white guys - is racist to the bone. Granted, the old white guys are gradually dying off, but they won't be gone by 2016. They have also failed to notice that core GOP principles hurt the poor and working classes of all races. So how do they think picking somebody whose last name ends with an "o" can persuade Latinos to vote for them instead of the Democrats when everything they have said and done for decades indicates (1) that they don't especially like Latinos and wish they'd go back to Mexico, and (2) their policies are harmful to everyone who isn't wealthy?

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:19 PM

17. Sigh....

They just don't get it.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:36 PM

18. The Hispanics and Cubanos have different roots. "Latino" seems to represent both??

Oversimplifying...Cubanos are usually considered as Caribbean/Islanders. The Spanish/Mexican/Californian Hispanic has European identity and dates back to California land grants. They are not a homogenous voting bloc.

Jeb's wife, Columba, is a Mexican native/Hispanic.

Rubio is a Cubano.

They are all from Florida and right-wing Republican and they are limited to that demographic...hopefully.

Julian Castro, whose mother was the original Chicana/La Raza and father a "community organizer", reflects the larger Hispanic West/Southwest population and seems to be the Right's worst upcoming nightmare.

2014 is a Gubernatorial (and US Senate) election in Texas and will likely be Castro's first entry onto the national political scene, but rooting out Perry is not likely. VP in 2016 is being talked about....no matter who the Presidential candidate.

As Texas begins to tinge purple, I see him upcoming as a potential Hispanic version of Obama.

(he's also got an identical twin, Joaquin, who is already in the Texas Statehouse.)

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:02 PM

37. Even that is oversimplifying the diversity of Hispanics

It's a weird way to classify people to begin with - people who's culture has been influenced by the Spanish Empire? People with Spanish surnames? People who speak Spanish in various contexts? Even in the Southwest and California there's a lot of variation, from people whose families came up from Mexico in the early 1600s to immigrants who only arrived last week, and every type in between. Even which particular part of Mexico they came from can be a factor: in a neighboring town there's some friction between the people with roots and Michoacan and the more recently arrived Oaxacans.

When I think of a typical Hispanic, the image that comes to mind is of someone with predominantly Central American Indian ancestry, since those are the people I interact with most often, people who don't seem to enter into the GOP view of Hispanics. I don't see them turning out in droves for someone who married one of Mexico's elites just because she has the same kind of surname, or for a Floridian just because he speaks (to their ears) Spanish with an accent.

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:34 PM

38. Yes. But it's a starter for people who think "they are all alike" just because of their surnames.

And for the "pols" who would "woo" them. I taught school in LA county and lived there 24 years, have family in San Diego, and lived in Northern Cal amidst the Napa-Sonoma Valley for another couple of decades. There are layers within layers such as which generation often determines the level of acculturation. The only place I have not lived is in the Central Valley and that's another segment, as well.

Engaging them within their own community in their own way through their own chosen leaders is key and is being done, particularly within the Democrats. (About Columba Bush, it was just a comment, and a connection to understanding the Western Hispanic.)

My niece is a Millennial, educated, half-Hispanic engaged voter. Obama has begun the conversation in a dynamic way and has proven his commitment.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:26 PM

41. Very good points

I think it comes down to the GOP leadership viewing people "not like us" as somehow interchangeable units, like they're (we're?) not really people.

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:23 PM

48. Absolutely true.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:49 PM

19. Time for folks to get serious about these two CRIMINALS. Jeb and Marco are as corrupt as the day is

long. They have more skeletons than an abattoir and yet the M$M ignores.

Jeb's connections with some of the more terrorist-y ex pat Cubans
Marco's time in the FL Legislature

These two issues alone should drive them from the public stage...

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:56 PM

20. Tokenism won't do it. Let's see the Pukes overwhelmingly pass the Dream Act, etc.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:18 PM

21. i guess black are still not worthy.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:14 PM

24. This is hilarious

I love this. The scramble is on to find some brown (but not TOO brown) people to front for them. This is actually quite a good thing for Democrats, for disenfrachised people of all sorts and for the country. The GOP finding that their scapegoats have all kicked them in the butt is a healthy thing. But it's still hilarious.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:17 PM

25. Wouldn't that be something if they lost Florida,

the wingers would go nuts, or nuttier than they already are!

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:18 PM

27. Jeb Bush talk again?

Are they stupid? Don't they know Americans are tired of the Bush family? For god's sake, the father and son were already presidents. Both failures.

And they must think Latinos are stupid. We blacks would never vote for a token black Republican so why should they expect a Latino to vote for a token? They are out of their damn mind!

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:07 AM

28. It won't work

Their base are looney nutjobs and won't agree to immigration reform

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:39 AM

31. Futility. Tokenism don't work boys

I can't wait until they run Jeb Bush's punk ass in 2016.
Defeating him will be very tasty.
So surprised he sat out of 2012 but he WILL run in 2016 & we will crush him!
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:39 PM

39. BTW, Sir, congratulations on your prescient and educated election results. Well done. I agree,

with pleasure, about Jeb. I think all the "real" Republicans were told to stand down as the liklihood of a 2nd term was very strong. 2014 will begin to give a clue about Obama's House coattails. Predictions?

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:46 PM

49. Thank you libdem4life. Here's my view for 2014

I missed the Popular Vote tally by a mile but I did predict a guaranteed Win & Landslide.
Instead of 15% to 20%, it turned out to be more like 1.5% to 2.0%. Hahaha!
Still my reasoning for why Romney would lose held true.

ELECTION SPOILER: Obama wins in a LANDSLIDE

As for 2014, I expect the Republicans to be fully fractured by then with infighting.
Part of the party wants to put up a storefront of inclusion in light of the recent results while the other part will triple down with their "true conservative" philosophy.
If the inclusion storefront guys get their way, the "true conservatives" will drop support.
If the "true conservatives" guys get their way, the public will be even MORE turned off than they are now.

Either way, it speaks to a flushing out of that Republican garbage cluttering up the House in 2014.
'Inclusioneers' will cause the party to lose numbers at the voting booth with the 'true conservatives' dropping out.
'True conservatives' will cause the party to be voted out due to their irrational obstructionism.

The Democrats will secure the House in 2014 & when they get it THIS time, I hope they cut out this Third Way bullshit & steer the country further away from Reaganomics.
Backed by this Democratic majority Congress, Obama will spend his last 2 years in office enjoying the financial boost with the end of the War in Afghanistan, with his economic policies bearing fruit, with Obamacare fully rooted, along with his other plans.
He'll get all the credit & will push for more Progressive plans as he erases Reaganism step by step.
That sets the stage for the Democratic nominee (Hillary) & she will coast in on a record built entirely by the Democratic Party.
Republicans will run Jeb Bush & get clobbered potentially putting them out of business right then & there.

And don't let Obama remove Federal blockage to marijuana legalization.
If he says 'Let There Be Pot', it's a WRAP!
All Obama has to do is be strategically & strongly Progressive & this is all over.
John Lucas

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Response to johnlucas (Reply #49)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:37 AM

50. Best line ... "Let There Be Pot".

...or maybe just the coolest line. Don't smoke myself, but many I love do. Go, Hillary.

Fractured and Flushing ... couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:01 AM

32. first Repubs. have to acknowledge the different histories of countries like Cuba, Mexico, Spain

Central America, SA et all. Be better off if these new repubs can start to treat all Americans the same, but it's their lame party to create.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:03 AM

33. They sure are diverse... just ask Michael Steel!

Did they ever treat that guy well?

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:08 PM

40. republicons want to spray paint over the damage they've done with the hispanic community

only to give the appearance that they've suddenly changed.

but they won't be able to keep themselves from using terms like "illegals" and
screaming at the top of their lungs that we need a bigger fence and more
guns and more police officers to "send them back".

the republican culture of hate has been fueled by fox news, glenn beck, rush limbaugh,
and that idiot that used to be on cnn whose name i can't remember.. they can't
undo that damage over night. it will take decades and lots of pandering which will
actually cause people to leave the republicans and go to the libertarians or somewhere
that is tolerant of intolerance.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:31 PM

42. Is this like how Sarah Palin was going to get women to vote for McCain?

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:17 PM

47. Touché :)

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:50 AM

51. They really don't get it. It is not the people, it is the policies!

I mean, really. How stupid do they think Hispanics in the US are?

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:01 PM

53. The benevolent white governor..and some token Latinos will save the day for the party of the old,

the white and the rich. Uh huh. You betcha cha!

Yet the teabaggers will still be demanding machine guns, landmines and barbed wire at the borders and deportation for all. No passes if you were born here from undocumented parents either.

Yeah I'm sure that will get you into 21st century relevancy republicans...LOLOLOL!!

Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, a kinder, gentler machine gun hand, like the song says. Looks like civil war in the thug party is coming right up folks!

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