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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:00 PM

2 arguments I have heard...

1. The president had more votes against him then any other President. 2. Look at how much red there is on a map.

One friend, said if you drive a car from NY to LA and your car breaks down, you will have a 98% chance of being in "red country".

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:04 PM

1. The population of all those red states put together is about 50% (guess) of all the blue states.

Also, it is an optical illusion - the blue is in two separate pieces that when put together is about the same as the red.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:08 PM

4. For example, the five boroughs of New York contain about twice as many people...

...as the entire state of Kentucky.

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Response to CBHagman (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:25 PM

9. Interesting - heres a link with state by state population densities and populations.

Guess where all the red states are....

States Ranked by Size & Population

Anyone with one eye and two functioning brain cells can see that the "big red area" nonsense is a load of BS.

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:05 PM

2. 2 counter-arguments:

1) If it's true that more people voted against Obama than any other president in history, I expect you'll find it's also true that more people voted for Obama than almost any other president in history. Reason would be that the population has grown, and there are more and more total voters over time.

2) People vote. Empty acres of land do not.

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:45 PM

11. 2)- pure awesomeness!!

Nt

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:06 PM

3. Both arguments are made by people who don't really understand what just happened.

The first approach is inherently a glass half empty one, in effect viewing things in reverse and/or negatively, and the second is misunderstanding how electoral votes are assigned and what coloring the map signifies.



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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:08 PM

5. Very silly argument

1. So what? He won the popular vote twice. End of discussion.
2. Once again, so what? That's not where most of the people live. I'm delighted because I think that this election does much toward putting to an end the argument that a much idealized "heartland" is the only real USA. It's not.

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:11 PM

6. "get over it."

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:38 PM

7. In the first place, more people voted overall

this year... and as said earlier, it doesn't matter.

The 62+ million votes Barack Obama will end up with will end up being the second most votes EVER for a candidate for president. What is number one? BARACK OBAMA'S 69,499,428 in 2008.

By the way, once all the votes are in that claim #1 will probably be true... But as of this moment IT IS NOT... John Kerry (and others) had more votes against W in 2004 than Romney and others have this year. Once all the outstanding votes are counted that may not be true.

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:42 PM

8. Okay

First, there's no way to measure votes against. The fact remains that more people voted for Obama than for Romney. President Obama won the popular vote.

Second, so what. You can rephrase the hypothetical any number of ways, and it would be equally meaningless. If you drive car through the most populous states, you will have a 98% chance of being in Blue Country. If you drive through the least well educated states, you will have a 98% chance of being in Red Country. If you drive through Red Country, then most people you meet, black or white, will be food stamp recipients. All of that is meaningless.

Third, while the red/blue divide is very obvious in the maps that show only the red/blue divide, the purple map is perhaps more representative. This map breaks down the vote by county, so red and blue do often blend. And I would guess that you could chart a route from sea to shining sea that goes only through blue counties and another oute that goes only through red counties. An entertaining exercise, perhaps, but as pointless as the example given.

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:36 PM

10. Dirt doesn't vote

So much of that Red country is empty.

Obama won and there is no way to slice and dice it.

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:57 PM

12. Well as far as all the red on the map....

If jackrabbits and armadilloes voted the repugs would have it made in the shade.....
(but then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Rove targeted the jackalope demographic and still managed to screw it up.....)

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:11 PM

13. he won PA with only twelve of 67 counties.

alot of counties were close, and apparently that put him over the top. "look at all that red". heh. guess they never drove across the country, where there is n-o-t-h-i-n-g for hundreds of miles.

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:38 PM

14. Actually #1 is about Bush. Kerry had 59,028,444 votes - more than Romney will hit.

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Response to dem1977 (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:42 PM

15. Acres don't vote. People do.

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