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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:03 PM

My guess is at least one more full cycle before

the GOP makes any real attempt to pull their heads out of their asses and face reality. While there are even some on their side acknowledging the facts, early indications point to the Faux-Limbo-Fundy coalition simply concocting some more kool-aid and hunkering down in their bunker bubble.

The 2014 midterms--because the turnout is historically much narrower--are probably not very likely to lead to any GOP enlightenment and they'll probably pick up a few seats. They've got two years now to stoke the hatred fires over this defeat, to blame the 'takers,' a message that on the whole couldn't get traction... but is a very effective dog whistle to their knuckle dragging base. Might even be as effective to their neanderthals as their use of abortion and "gay agenda" has been in the last couple decades.

So long as our side doesn't make any huge blunders, 2016 should be a slightly stronger version of 2012--the coalition of everybody else (not plutocrats, not fundy, not angry white men) will grow a little more and, at that point, the GOP might have to face this.

In the meantime, these people truly believe they simply blew a winnable election and their ideology is right and true. This was just because Romney was a bad candidate, or because Sandy happened, or because... whatever.

While we know the long term--barring serious screw ups--is quite favorable to our progressive forward march.... The reality for us is today is that for at least another cycle, these motherfuckers are going to dig in, hunker down, and obstruct EVERYTHING from inside their alternate, as yet un-popped bubble.

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Still Sensible Nov 2012 OP
TheDonkey Nov 2012 #1
Still Sensible Nov 2012 #3
Marsala Nov 2012 #9
JackN415 Nov 2012 #2
davidpdx Nov 2012 #10
SDjack Nov 2012 #4
Still Sensible Nov 2012 #5
Wellstone ruled Nov 2012 #6
politicat Nov 2012 #7
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #8

Response to Still Sensible (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:06 PM

1. If the GOP loses Senate and WH in 2016 it will no longer be a national party

And we will see another party make noise regionally to take them on. The factions of the GOP will separate. The pro business forces will likely form something new, the teabaggers will take over the GOP and the moderates will move to Democrats.

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Response to TheDonkey (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:19 PM

3. That's a very plausible scenario.

Wherever the new pro-business and plutocracy go, could still attract some moderates and maybe even the libertarians. The problem is, that would look like the Eisenhower/Rockefeller/Nixon GOP... which of course won some national elections and had some influence working with our party... but for 50+ years that group was literally a permanent minority from 1932 into the 80s.

This bunch has tasted majority, now, and that's why the folks calling the GOP shots today will ride the Limbo-Faux-Fundy horse until the sonuvabitch keels over and dies.

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Response to Still Sensible (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:13 PM

9. Pro-business goes where the power is. They will probably try to infiltrate the Democrats.

In fact, they already have. They just can't push their supply-side nonsense.

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Response to Still Sensible (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:13 PM

2. 2014 is crucial. I hope the Dem PACs and other org mobilize the base to vote Repub out totally

 

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Response to JackN415 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:21 AM

10. absolutely

In 2010 there was low enthusiasm and low turnout. We need to turn that around in 2014

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Response to Still Sensible (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:21 PM

4. In 2016, no goper will run successfully promising to yank ObamaCare out by its roots.

And, voters will trust the House to the Repugs for 40 years.

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Response to SDjack (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:29 PM

5. I don't buy the 40 years scenario

but it's probably a good bet to last at least until the 2022 elections--following the 2020 census.

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Response to Still Sensible (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:53 PM

6. Do a bit of research as to

probable wildness projections about what I said with regard to the GOP being out of and control for 40 years. It's all about the demographics guys. The Gobber Party will only have fans in what is called Red States as of this year. Look at population growth and ethnic changes,also age. Latest studies show the Teabilly Racist states will finally succumb to progressive change,albeit from the outside forces,by 2030 or sooner. Your I-Phone and Tablets are the change agent of our time. Not the Print media or the Echo Chamber referred to as Radio television. Right wingers are still watching Ozzie and Harriet or Archie Bunker. They are totally afraid of there shadows and any change. Reminds one of our parents in the 50's,Rock and Roll and long hair will doom society,yah right. All we got was the friggen draft and cannon fodder. Thank you GOP.

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Response to Still Sensible (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:32 PM

7. It'll depend which faction gets control of the assets.

The fiscal side is more organized and better at legal challenges and fundraising, but they are fewer than the far more disorganized, less wealthy social conservatives. They've only been as successful as they are because the two factions have made uncomfortable common cause. If that marriage of convenience is breaking down, the divorce will be nasty and bitter and fought primarily over the assets.

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Response to Still Sensible (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:37 PM

8. Too damend late

 

Their choice is clear. They MUST jettison the insane base or they will no longer eb a national party within a decade.

If they jettison the insane base this year, they suffer short term losses over the next three cycles, but they maintian their status as a national party in perpetuity.

Since corporate America runs the GOP, they will go with short term viability over a long term strategy. That's how corporate America operates.

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