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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:26 PM

David Frum, please shut up :)

This is the only conservative who actually gets it. This guy could be trouble if anybody ever listened to him.

He is speaking on Tweety's show, and is already out with a book "Why Romney Lost." He started it 6 weeks ago because unlike every other Republican, he deals with reality.

I've always liked Frum. He makes good arguments for conservative ideas.

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Reply David Frum, please shut up :) (Original post)
BlueStreak Nov 2012 OP
MidwestTransplant Nov 2012 #1
Samjm Nov 2012 #3
NCLefty Nov 2012 #6
Floyd_Gondolli Nov 2012 #2
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #4
DonViejo Nov 2012 #5
CobaltBlue Nov 2012 #7
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #8
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #11
DrToast Nov 2012 #9
EmilyAnne Nov 2012 #10
AlinPA Nov 2012 #12
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #15
Jennicut Nov 2012 #13
Evergreen Emerald Nov 2012 #14
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #16
Evergreen Emerald Nov 2012 #18
libdem4life Nov 2012 #17

Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:28 PM

1. I for one hope they do listen

A one party system is not good for the country and that's where we are headed if Republicans don't change course.

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Response to MidwestTransplant (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:35 PM

3. I agree!

We need 2 strong viable parties. Even though we are in the Dem camp, unlimited power with no check is dangerous for everyone.

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Response to Samjm (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:36 PM

6. Agreed, wholeheartedly.

The course they've been on is hurting the country. I do not hope that they remain on it. There is a place for actual "fiscal conservatism" but it must be divorced from the crazy.

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:32 PM

2. I've monitored these imbeciles all week

 

Hes about the only one who gets it. Freeperville had a thread last night questioning if Marco Rubio is actually a naturalized citizen. They are eating their own. I see no movement toward moderating by most of their mediots and their followers. If anything they seem even more indignant, which works for me if that's the way they want it.

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Response to Floyd_Gondolli (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:37 PM

4. +1 nt

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:01 AM

7. Par-TEA!

They're a party of sociopaths and psychopaths.

(I think Meg Brussell was right.)

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:04 AM

8. Doesn't matter, the nutbags hate him

 

Any elected Republican who listens to Frum and follows Frums advise would be removed by the nutbags in a primary.

the demand for ideological purity by the baggers will not allow any deviations from the requirements.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:10 PM

11. It really is a party of scared, old, white, men plus a few others

You just cannot bring on other demographics without losing some of your scared, old, white, men demographic.

David Frum is from a time and place where that was not the definition of the Republican Party. But he is speaking the truth, whether or not others listen to him.

Others are saying they need to "make gestures" to bring in the other demographics not-so-scared, younger, not-as-pasty-white, not do male types. Not only is that incompatible with scared, old, white, men, a gesture won't do it. Gestures might work for a day or a week, but people eventually figure out whether you are sincere or just trying to exploit somebody. To attract women, they actually have to treat women with respect, and scared, old, white, men don't do that. Likewise for Latinos, blacks, Asians, younger people ...

They will never genuinely embrace "others". The whole party has been build based on a disdain for everybody who is not a scared, old, white, man.

Things go in cycles. Eventually there will be a conservative party that is not based on scared, old, white, men, and it will probably look a lot like what Frum is advocating. I bet I don't see it in the next 15 years.

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:05 AM

9. He's been saying it for years

Nobody listens to him.

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:13 AM

10. He'll be pushed to the side like every other relatively rational Republican.

So don't worry.

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:13 PM

12. He's a Fox'news" person? To hell with all those slime.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:39 PM

15. Is he? Not that I am aware of. He's cut out of the "Conservative Entertainment Complex"

Which mostly means Limbaugh and Faux.

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:45 PM

13. Yup, hope he stays quiet. He knows way too much.

The rest are totally still in denial, days later. Shhhh....

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:21 PM

14. He is a pig. He was horrible to Maddow

He was on her show once when it first started. He insulted her, ridiculed her when she was trying to interview him. He is a pig. And simply is saying what he thinks will sell best.




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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:40 PM

16. He might have a differnet attitude today. And so might she.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:53 AM

18. I have not seen any sign of that

But certainly optimism in the ability of people to advance is always nice to think about.

An apology as public as his attack would be a good start. Or, at least acknowledgment of how horribly insulting it was to go to her house, on her show, and attempt to publicly humiliate her.

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Response to BlueStreak (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:02 AM

17. He reminds me of my Dad...an intelligent, respectable Eisenhower Republican.

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