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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:19 AM

2016 Straw Poll


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Hillary Clinton
55 (59%)
Joe Biden
8 (9%)
Martin O'Malley
5 (5%)
Andrew Cuomo
5 (5%)
Brian Schweitzer
7 (7%)
Deval Patrick
3 (3%)
Elizabeth Warren
11 (12%)
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DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 OP
bigdarryl Nov 2012 #1
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2012 #2
NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #45
union_maid Nov 2012 #56
daggahead Nov 2012 #3
NRaleighLiberal Nov 2012 #4
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #15
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #5
doc03 Nov 2012 #9
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #24
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #38
LukeFL Nov 2012 #65
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #67
Freemont13 Nov 2012 #50
MadBadger Nov 2012 #6
Joe the Revelator Nov 2012 #12
MadBadger Nov 2012 #13
Joe the Revelator Nov 2012 #14
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #16
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #18
Joe the Revelator Nov 2012 #19
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #20
BlueStreak Nov 2012 #28
TTUBatfan2008 Nov 2012 #51
Daniel537 Nov 2012 #33
Chemisse Nov 2012 #53
Ter Nov 2012 #22
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #30
Chemisse Nov 2012 #54
kerouac2 Nov 2012 #7
Ter Nov 2012 #23
Agschmid Nov 2012 #49
nsd Nov 2012 #55
Agschmid Nov 2012 #61
RC Nov 2012 #8
Xyzse Nov 2012 #10
GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #60
Joe the Revelator Nov 2012 #11
LukeFL Nov 2012 #62
LukeFL Nov 2012 #63
Chan790 Nov 2012 #17
Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2012 #21
Ter Nov 2012 #25
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #26
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #27
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baldguy Nov 2012 #43
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #46
democrattotheend Nov 2012 #29
MassedPole Nov 2012 #31
LukeFL Nov 2012 #64
backscatter712 Nov 2012 #32
RosedaleGuy Nov 2012 #34
bluedigger Nov 2012 #35
Liberalboy Nov 2012 #39
bluedigger Nov 2012 #42
Splinter Cell Nov 2012 #36
chitty Nov 2012 #37
DJWBlue Nov 2012 #40
musicblind Nov 2012 #41
ShadowLiberal Nov 2012 #44
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #47
LukeFL Nov 2012 #66
frazzled Nov 2012 #48
LisaL Nov 2012 #52
democrattotheend Nov 2012 #57
morningfog Nov 2012 #58
Freemont13 Nov 2012 #59
Tx4obama Nov 2012 #68
brooklynite Nov 2012 #69
davidpdx Nov 2012 #70
mgcgulfcoast Nov 2012 #71
cecilfirefox Nov 2012 #72
fujiyama Nov 2012 #73
RFKHumphreyObama Nov 2012 #74
workinclasszero Nov 2012 #75

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:35 AM

1. I'm sorry guys but a 70 year old Clinton isn't the answer in 2016

Plus she should wait to see how the 13 keys line up to see if the democrats have a chance at retaining the White House in 2016.Two keys are defiantly are against the democrats (Incumbent key #3) and (Incumbent charisma #12)

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:36 AM

2. plus...think Bill wants it more than she

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:18 AM

45. And, she won't run. nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:33 PM

56. Much more, I think

She says she'd like some time to herself. Not hard to understand.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:38 AM

3. I'd like to see ...

Alan Grayson or Russ Feingold in 2016

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:39 AM

4. I think other names will emerge over the next few years

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:55 AM

15. And Obama might start to promote a scenario

I am not too inspired by any of the names in the poll.

Biden. Love him, but his age will just add to the narrative that he's a crazy old man.

O'Malley. No opinion at all, and that's a problem.

Cuomo. Maybe, but he isn't his old man. Doesn't seem to have the same intensity.

Schweitzer. I like him. I can't see him holding the eastern swing states and don't really see him adding any other states.

Patrick. I like him -- a lot. The problem here is that I don't think America well feel as strongly about supporting two black men back to back. Maybe I am wrong about that, but this would open up a narrative that the Democrat Party is "just for African Americans." That isn't fair, but I am afraid it is real.

Warren. I like her. But she really is a novice at political campaigns. I hope and expect that she will take the next few years becoming the kind of Senator we know she can be -- a fierce advocate for the middle class.

Clinton. I am concerned about her age and energy. But I also think she is the only one on this list that can win in 2016 given the landscape as we see it today. There really is not heir apparent from Obama's generation or younger, so I would like to see a strategy where Hillary plans to serve one term with a carefully selected YOUNG running mate that would then be poised to win in 2020. Maybe that is a role that Julian Castro can fill. I would love to see Hillary become our first female President rather than one of the Jan Brewer types the GOP has to offer. And I would be stoked to see her team of surrogates: Bill, Barack, Michelle, and Joe. Talk about the A team. Not one on that list that will be under 65% popularity.

Here's another name. Elliot Spitzer. he has some baggage, but who doesn't. America loves a fighter, and he has that kind of image. He'd probably have trouble with the Christian vote, but he could always say that brought him closer to Jesus or whatever all those hooker-chasing TV preachers say. That seems to work for them.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:42 AM

5. Clinton-Castro 2016

90% + of the Latino vote
90% + of the African American vote
75% + of the Asian vote
60% + of the women vote


The Republicans won't know what hit them.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:37 AM

9. Wow the Republicans heads would explode if we

follow up a Hussein with a Castro!

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Response to doc03 (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:16 PM

24. Who gives a shit.

why do we always have to worry about what the republicans think, why not do what is right and work our asses off to make it into something we believe in, by the way I'm not sure about the Hillary/Castro team either.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:15 PM

38. Julian Castro will run for Texas Governor before he runs for VP or Pres. n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:34 PM

65. Will that be By 2014?

He has time to get to The public And for The media to know him.

I do wish to ser him on The vp ticket to any aspiring front runner in 2016.

I have a very gut feeling repukes will choose Rubio for 2016 and that will be a major blow to us ( Democrats). There is no other party more deserving than to see our first black/ woman/ Latino President than ours. It would be inmensenly unfair to see repukes take that away from us in 2016 by freaking choosing Rubio.

Grrrr... I have been reading JEB preparing Rubio.

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #65)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:49 PM

67. Texas Gov Rick Perry's seat will be in play in the 2014 election. n/t

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:52 PM

50. Unless

Rubio-Haley

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:46 AM

6. I'll support Joe, though its Hillary's if she wants it

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:41 AM

12. I don't understand this reasoning. She still has to get through a primary, and there is still going

to be an anti-Hillary candidate, just like in 08.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:44 AM

13. Hillary is far more popular than she ever has been

That's a big difference from now to 2008

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:53 AM

14. Respectfully, I disagree

I think at the end of the day, she's the same Hillary from 08. Love her or hate her, you have an opinion. And people are going to be hungry for new, fresh faces. An anti-Hillary will emerge, and we'll have another primary war.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:57 AM

16. I really don't think so.

No public figure is perfect. But I think a lot of people who did not support her in 2008 greatly admire what she has done in the past 4 years and intensely appreciate what Bill did in this election cycle.

If she has the fire in the the belly, she wins the nomination easily.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:01 AM

18. His Argument Assumes Barack Obamas Are A Dime A Dozen

He was the only living politician that could have stopped the Clinton machine in 08.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:13 AM

19. I don't agree with that at all either....

I really don't. I think Edwards may have been able to (which isn't an argument into how far up shit creek we would have been if that played out.....). But take this poll as an example, she's not even winning in this environment. While not scientific, I think it is telling.

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:21 AM

20. Six Points

!) She is winning this "poll" This poll is fun but any sentient person has to question its predictive value.
2) Dennis Kucinich won most of the 04 DU Presidential Polls and was neck and neck with Obama in some 08 polls here.
3) Kucinich was accomplishing this here while registering 1% or 2% in polls among registered Democrats.
4) If not for Obama wresting the African American vote from Hillary which is about 30% of Democratic primary voters she would have beat Edwards like a drum.
5) It wasn't until her African American support collapsed that her primary support suffered
6) Even with all those problems she still received more votes than any of of her Democratic primary challengers.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:33 PM

28. Or the Citizen 's United machine this year.

That's so important. If we do not fix that in the next 4 years, we will lose. There is no other Barack Obama out there.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:01 PM

51. Yeah, his fundraising ability is second to none...

And he does it with a ton of small donors instead of just a few millionaires and billionaires like Romney did it.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:10 PM

33. I didn't support her in 08, and i still wouldn't support her in 16.

I think she's done a good job as SoS, but i still don't completely trust her on foreign policy, i still haven't forgotten her comments about a potential pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran. Besides, the party needs some fresh faces. I don't want our party to become the "next-in-line" party like the GOP. My choice would be Jon Tester, he has that rural appeal that could help us gain back a lot of working class white folk.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:19 PM

53. I didn't support her in the primary

But would heartily support her in 2016.

My only concern is her age and whether she will have the drive to do it all again.

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Response to MadBadger (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:13 PM

22. Even after the events of the last few weeks?

 

I'd imagine the apology damaged her popularity and can be used against her in an election.

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Response to Ter (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:38 PM

30. We Already Lost The Votes Of The Fox Crowd Which Grows Smaller With Every Election/nt

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Response to Ter (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:20 PM

54. It seemed like the only ones who really cared about all that were Fox and crew.

It was really a fairly minor incident in the grand scheme of things.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:51 AM

7. Gore/Kerry with...

I think to win, you need 2 presidents on the ticket and 2 floated as cabinet members.

Al Gore for Prez.
John Kerry for VP
Bill Clinton Sec of State
Wes Clark Sec of Def


Al Gore for president
http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/72-72/6976-al-gore-for-president

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Response to kerouac2 (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:15 PM

23. You can call all of that Rehash 2016

 

No one that never ran before? Actually, I'm just busting chops. I like all of your pics except Kerry.

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Response to kerouac2 (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:10 AM

49. Constitutional Issue...

Clinton can't really be in the line of succession I believe since he cannot serve again as PResident. Thoughts?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #49)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:30 PM

55. No Constitutional issue.

Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright were Secretaries of State even though neither was eligible to become president because of foreign birth.

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Response to nsd (Reply #55)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:04 PM

61. Good to know, sorry for my ignorance. n/t

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:27 AM

8. Forget this. You are jumping the gun here.

 

There are Mid-Term Elections where more than a few Republicans in Congress are up for election.
Let's worry about that election first.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:38 AM

10. Still thinking about 2014

By 2016, most of those options would probably be long gone.
Look to 2014 to see who in that group seems prominent, then I'll give an opinion on who I think should run.

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:50 PM

60. Best response to this thread.

2014 first and the House and Senate then we think about 2016.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:40 AM

11. How is Mark Warner not on this poll?

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:21 PM

62. Ii said the other day Warner/ Castro

And I know Castro is a newbie but Rubio is was also a newbie two years ago and he was almost considered for VP. And I can assure you will be the primary front runner for VP in 2016.

What Dems in DC needs to do is introduce more of Castro and bring him around more often so the public can see more of him in the nxt two years.

By 2016 Castro won be too new and not so unknown. He can be the VP runner of any front runner wether that would be Clinton or Warner.

I think Clinton is tired And probably wants to retire with her head high And proud ( capturaba bin laden). Warner seems to be The MOST seasoned.

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #62)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:26 PM

63. Capturing*

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:01 AM

17. I'm inclined to believe...

that Sec. of State Clinton really means it when she says she will not run or consider running.

I think she did at one time really want to be President but that her life priorities may have shifted; a lifetime in politics, especially married to another politician, is draining. I honestly think she has no intention of ever running for or holding office again.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:23 AM

21. I'm writing in Sherrod Brown

A progressive who can win in a competitive state.
He'd be a lock for Ohio, and free us up to go after other states

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:17 PM

25. Cory Booker is my choice

 

He really needs to get himself elected Governor or Senator first though.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:22 PM

26. Need to see more names in the hat

I believe there are democrats out there that we've not heard of yet that will be of the same magnitude as Obama.

I'm looking for that type of candidate that BELIEVES in their objectives for the middle class.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:20 PM

27. Alan Grayson / Al Franken.

 

I see that as an all-around win.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:01 PM

43. .

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Response to baldguy (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:49 AM

46. Just think of the yard signs! "Al/Al 2016"

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:37 PM

29. I really hope the media doesn't spend the next 4 years talking about this

I want the president to have a chance to govern before the party becomes fractured with people jockeying to take his place.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:39 PM

31. I wouldent mind seeing Warren/Castro on the ticket.

 

I would love if a woman won the democratic nomination.

As much as I love Hillary..I dont think she is going to run again.

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Response to MassedPole (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:28 PM

64. Or Warner/ Castro

Read above

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:40 PM

32. Joe Biden has really impressed me lately.

I'd say his experience as VP has seasoned him some more, on top of his decades in the Senate. He tore Ryan to pieces, and is a powerful speaker.

Besides, the Republicans underestimate him and think he's a "gaffe machine."

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:31 PM

34. Hillary could never lose a presidential election

She lost the primary in '08 but she would pull enough of the women vote away from Republicans to win in a landslide in a national election. She's fully vetted and very well known. I can't say the same for the others on this list. We political junkies know Elizabeth Warren but the rest of the country does not.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:38 PM

35. How about Gov. Hickenlooper from Colorado?

He has a strong public and private record to campaign on, and he has held up well under the spotlight in recent events such as the Aurora shootings and wildfires. It seems like he is on an upward trajectory still career-wise.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:21 PM

39. I think Hick would do well!!

He needs to be elevated to the national scene for people to know him like we do. Maybe a cabinet position?

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Response to Liberalboy (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:55 PM

42. Homeland Security would be a good position for him.

It would give him a little visibility and experience at the national level. Napolitano might move to DOJ... But I would hate to lose him so soon as governor.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:30 PM

36. Hillary? No thanks.

We need to move on.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:25 PM

37. Why couldn't

Spitzer keep his pants on?
He coulda been great for 2016.
I don't think Clinton is going to run. We'll see.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:26 PM

40. Hillary as President and Elizabeth as VP would be my dream team for 2016. Not only would they

continue to take this country in the right direction , their election would piss off my racist, misogynistic, homophobic, evangelical Republican shithead of a father-in-law. It might even cause him to have the fatal heart attack that we've all been hoping for.

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Response to DJWBlue (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:31 PM

41. That would be so fabulous it would hurt. n/t

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:01 PM

44. I'd be open to support Martin O'Malley for his successful gay marriage push

I'd love to have a democrat in the White House pushing for nationwide marriage equality. I think the country would be ready for it to by 2020 after our gay marriage victories this year.

But I admit I don't know much about Martin O'Malley other then that, so my support could change if I find he's conservative/moderate on most everything else like Cuomo.

I'd probably be open to supporting Biden and Hillary as well if they ran, but would depend on who else ran.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:58 AM

47. Barack Obama Forever Changed The Paradigm. You Need Not Be A Bland White Guy To Win/nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:40 PM

66. Not only for bland white guys

He changed the paradigsm even for our own future candidates. The comparison will be there and I feel sorry for whomever he or she will be.

Really- big shoes to fill. Obama has been the gratest orator of our lifetime - surpassing bill Clinton- who was good at explaining things.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:06 AM

48. We should put aside politics and focus on policy

Honestly, folks. Our role as citizens shouldn't be to game political races constantly. We just finished a year and a half or more of a presidential race. Put it aside and focus on all the difficult issues that lie ahead during the next four years.

Let's trade in our political junkie hats for policy junkie hats.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:03 PM

52. I love Biden.

But his age would be an issue.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:37 PM

57. What about Gillibrand?

I know she has been floated as a possibility. I doubt she would run if Hillary runs, but if Hillary doesn't run she might.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:49 PM

58. I think it will be (should be) a Latino.

Castro or Villaraigosa or a yet to be in the spotlight.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 08:40 PM

59. Nah

Im not a fan of Villaraigosa. Here in Florida we have a state senator by the name of Darren Soto who will most likely be a bigger player pretty soon.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:56 PM

68. It is too soon for Castro.


Castro is currently a 'mayor'.

I believe he probably plans to run for the Texas Governor seat in 2014.

I think we will not see him on a national ticket until 2020 or 2024.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:56 PM

69. Why in the WORLD would you want Warren to run...

...after only four years (less than one term) in the Senate?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:09 PM

70. I think if people are going to post these polls

my suggestion would be to add an option "It's too early to decide". The no vote option really could be taken as many different types of reasons.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:22 PM

71. mark warner

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:24 PM

72. I like Cuomo, but I voted for Hilldog- Foreign policy experience is crucial for me. nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:41 AM

73. My guess is all those plus Warner will be vying for the nomination

Well, OK I'm not sure if Hillary will still want it. It will be up to her and how she's feeling and whether she's still up for it. Women have longer life expectencies. As long as she's healthy, I see no reason why it will be a problem. Seventy really isn't quite that old.

She'd get my vote at this point. Her husband is perhaps the most popular politician alive in the country. She's probably the most popular female politician. They've also proven to be team players. She already has a ton of experience. The only reason she lost in '08 is because Obama was a once in a generation, transformative candidate (and due to gender alone, Hillary would have been a historic nominee). Edwards, Biden, and Richardson - none of them had a chance. It's actually laughable to compare any of them to either Hillary or Obama.

O'Malley and Cuomo are also intriguing candidates. Warner would be a "safe" but somewhat duller bet. Gillibrand would be interesting, but I'm sure she won't run if Hillary is interested. I like Warren, but not just yet. I think Biden would be too old. And I like him, but he doesn't have the star power Hillary does.

It will be an open election, so we'll see quite a few initially interested. If Hillary enters, much of it will clear out. I think we'll get a better idea who's interested two years from now. We'll also see if republicans will continue going down a path of crazy (most likely they will). I think we're beyond racial/identity politics in our party and at this point we know as a party we can build an effective coalition on the national level as well. We're entering a new era here. Obama has proven that.

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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:59 AM

74. Where's Sherrod Brown?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:29 AM

75. I vote Hillary

I mean damn! She would wipe the floor with any teabag repub stupid enough to run against her!

Could you imagine Pope Ricky vs Hillary?? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

I, and I imagine, EVERY dem and lib voter in this country would crawl across broken glass on my belly to vote for Hillary!

Now whether she wants to do that at her age and all, I do not know but it would most likely mean 16 years of unbroken democratic rule in the whitehouse and her coattails would hopefully bring control of the congress as well.

And I believe it would mean the death of the stinking unamerican traitorous Randian republican party which is teetering on the edge of extinction even as we speak!

RUN HILLARY RUN!!!!!!

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