2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI am predicting the September surprise.
The debate on Sept. 26. Trump will so under perform Clinton. Even his ardent supporters are going to be left speechless. Hillary has been involved in domestic policy and foreign policy for decades. She has been involved in plenty of debates, planning, and in debating. This is Trump's first rodeo and it is going to show. Karl Rove even said that Trump knew very little on how to run a political campaign.
Democat
(11,617 posts)Two days before the debate.
0rganism
(23,855 posts)"if he doesn't flame out in the first five minutes it's a tRump victory"
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"if he shows up at all, he wins"
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"his very existence anywhere on the planet is clear evidence of tRump victory"
you know it!
Maven
(10,533 posts)anamandujano
(7,004 posts)Response to vinny9698 (Original post)
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jaxind
(1,074 posts)Hopefully, Trump doesn't try to weasel out of the debates! Knowing him, he will try every which way to get out of them (I think he's already trying to get out of the first one)! Anyway, that would just be more proof to the non-kooLaid drinkers, that this guy is in way over his head! You can't do anything about the ones that blindly follow him!
BlueMTexpat
(15,349 posts)if Trump actually shows up. For ANY debate.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)tblue37
(64,980 posts)"feisty" W was and gave him the win. They did to Gore's sighs the same thing they did to Dean's scream. The bar was set so low for W that an ant could have jumped over it.
I worry that they will do the same for Trump. People tend to be easily manipulated into believe nonsense like that.
The best hope is that he has a meltdown, because if he doesn't they will spin it as a win for him, even if he does a worse than usual (even for him) job.
Remember the strange oblong "something" on W's back? Someone was trying to help him with answers. Why wasn't THAT investigated?
hedda_foil
(16,368 posts)Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)He can't even read off a teleprompter without sounding like a broken robot. Can you imagine how he'll do with some frantic staffer chattering answers in his ear?
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)Hav
(5,969 posts)Usually, in a debate between a political veteran and someone who is relatively unknown to the public when it comes to political matters, the lowered expectations help and make it much easier for the contender to look like the winner. These lowered expectations normally change for the second debate and a more unbiased judgement of the two contenders is possible.
I think that the expectations for Trump will be so low, that it will be almost impossible to not finish the debate above these expectations (Palin was similar) and therefore appear like the winner for holding his own against a seasoned pro.
liberal N proud
(60,302 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)The media will say Trump was not as horrible as we thought, thus he won the debate.
Mark my words: this will be the spin.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,788 posts)If the media figures a horse race will attract viewers during & after, then the bar will be set so low that an ant would trip over it and fall on the other side.
If they decide to go with "train wreck", then it will be set just a bit lower than normal and Trump will be declared a buffoon despite having "low expectations".
Regardless of all that, Trump's strategy will be a "gish gallop": spout so much questionable verbiage, egregious exaggeration, and outright lies that Clinton and the moderators don't know where to begin and become flustered and maybe even make "a mistake".
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)The media sucks!
Of course, I agree with him on that for very different reasons.
We have a bought and paid for media, and I don't know how the hell we can continue as a nation without a truly free press unafraid and willing to do investigative journalism again.
And I'm going with train wreck.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)I doubt he can come up with anything new to surprise. If so, she can choose a fragment from the run on sentence and speak to it.
Followup questions will stump him silly.
krakfiend
(202 posts)1. trump is going to perform badly
2. trump is going to blame the moderators for unfairly giving him hard questions like
a. how are you reaching out to the minority voters?
b. how are you going to make mexico pay for the wall?
3. trump is gong to say hillary is unfit because of:
a. benghazi
b. bill clinton
c. emails
d. she's a woman, and women are to temper mental
e. that he loves women, and not misogynistic at all.
4. trump is going to blame the liberal media and the liberal polls
5. trump is going to say he loves all people of all colors and creed, and he proves it by taking a selfie eating a burrito with some fried chicken surrounded by his female workers
6. then he says since he was treated so unfairly, he's not going to do any more debates.
Bucky
(53,795 posts)Honestly, the most important thing for Clinton to do is keep him on topic, correct him on his vague non-answers, and don't let his schoolyard taunts rattle her. I still cringe when I think about her "Who Cares?!" moment in the 3rd or 4th 8-hour Benghazi grilling. It was understandable and humanizing, but not the best word choice.
LuvLoogie
(6,854 posts)moonscape
(4,664 posts)listened to it in context, i.e. her full paragraph, you would be cheering vs cringing. I'm sure it's available online - pls listen.
TheBlackAdder
(28,073 posts).
One stipulation, an RF jammer on stage.
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vinny9698
(1,016 posts)Like that scene with the teleprompter in the movie Anchorman with Will Ferrell.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)jcgoldie
(11,584 posts)HRC forgot more this morning about policy than Trump has ever known and she will kill him. The problem is that a large percentage of Americans have attention spans which are too short to appreciate much policy discussion at all. Trump will make some douchebag one liners which will make headlines and 75% of the media will call it a draw.
Mz Pip
(27,404 posts)they never will.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)That's exactly what we'll see from him; he'll make outrageous comments that will be sound byte fodder after the debate. A rationale debate on the issues isn't going to happen. I hope Hillary plans on having her own zingers while maintaining her cool. I know she can do it.
no_hypocrisy
(45,774 posts)To do that each participant has to directly respond to the question posed by the moderator.
Trump will obfuscate.
Trump will answer the question he wants to answer.
Trump will resort to his favorite technique of ad hominum insults. (Drinking game for each time Trump calls out "Crooked Hillary"
Trump will not debate Hillary Clinton.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Four years ago I said that President Obama ensured his reelection by conducting a boring debate in which he did not call out or correct the malevolent dishonesty of Mitt Romney, and I still maintain I was correct.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021469106
The problem is this: stupid people, who not so coincidentally happen to support the Republican Party in unusual numbers, are not rational, and don't understand logical arguments. One of the easiest ways you can get stupid people to believe stupid things is to tell them your lie, and then have a liberal correct it (The "Hannity and Colmes" two-step).
This is because people who can't think a problem through rely upon the authority of the people who tell them what to believe, and having someone they don't trust debate it reinforces the stupid belief. The technique doesn't work nearly as well with Democrats because, well, they're not stupid.
So the way to make the knuckledraggers support Donald Trump, to get them to send money and go out and vote, is to destroy Donald Trump in the debates by correcting his lies and making him look like an asshole. If, on the other hand, Mrs. Clinton sticks to talking about her own plans, experience, and accomplishments, the doofuses will flip over to Monday Night Football and maybe forget to vote, too.
President Obama knew it, and I am sure that Mrs. Clinton knows it, too.
That virtually guarantees an uneventful debate in which Donald Trump looks pathetic and Mrs. Clinton looks Presidential, which means her side of it will be boring, detail oriented, and comparatively non-confrontational.
That, unfortunately, is how you "win" a debate with the hopelessly uninformed.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)low for Drumpf, so therefore, Hillary will have to hit the ball out of the park to be declared the winner. Drumpf also is too lazy to study for any debate thinking he can wing it like he's done in the past, so she has to count on Drumpf getting nasty or name calling when he cannot come up with a 'presidential response' to any of the debate questions. I'm sure that whomever is Hillary's debate partner, he or she will have her prepped with appropriate responses to any ugly comments or accusations which he might send her way. My advice to Hillary would be to follow Michele Obama's advice, "when they go low, you go high". or even better, Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.― George Bernard Shaw .