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vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 04:29 AM Aug 2016

I am predicting the September surprise.

The debate on Sept. 26. Trump will so under perform Clinton. Even his ardent supporters are going to be left speechless. Hillary has been involved in domestic policy and foreign policy for decades. She has been involved in plenty of debates, planning, and in debating. This is Trump's first rodeo and it is going to show. Karl Rove even said that Trump knew very little on how to run a political campaign.

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I am predicting the September surprise. (Original Post) vinny9698 Aug 2016 OP
The surprise would be if the media hadn't already declared Trump the winner Democat Aug 2016 #1
their job for the week preceding the debates is progressively lowering the bar for tRump 0rganism Aug 2016 #20
lol ! treestar Aug 2016 #25
Spot on. nt Maven Aug 2016 #26
This needs to be a comedy routine, seriously. anamandujano Aug 2016 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2016 #2
Hopefully... jaxind Aug 2016 #3
The surprise will be BlueMTexpat Aug 2016 #4
This is what I think, too. DawgHouse Aug 2016 #28
When Al Gore wiped the floor with W, the pundits and newspapers all crowed about how tblue37 Aug 2016 #5
Receiver Scarsdale Aug 2016 #7
Here's the proof Dubya was wired up. hedda_foil Aug 2016 #17
A wire won't help the Donald. Frank Cannon Aug 2016 #22
You gave me a good laugh. anamandujano Aug 2016 #31
This is exactly what I expect for the first debate Hav Aug 2016 #8
The bar is even lower for Trump liberal N proud Aug 2016 #11
Much like W Bush Chasstev365 Aug 2016 #6
Result all depends on what sells for the media: a horse race or a train wreck Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #9
I agree with Trump on one thing TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2016 #13
Hillary and staffers already have a good idea of all his rubbish. anamandujano Aug 2016 #33
no surprise krakfiend Aug 2016 #10
Trump will try to turn it into the same clown show he made of the primary debates Bucky Aug 2016 #12
Except, Hillary didn't say "Who cares?" Quit lying and spreading false equivalencies. LuvLoogie Aug 2016 #16
She said "what difference does it make" and if you moonscape Aug 2016 #18
One of his false teeth will be set up as a crystal AM radio, where he only can hear the answers. TheBlackAdder Aug 2016 #14
Or better yet send him nonsense answers Anchorman Will Ferrell vinny9698 Aug 2016 #15
I've seen about six ops stating that driverless cars will be the surprise. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #19
I agree but jcgoldie Aug 2016 #21
If his supporters haven't bailed by now Mz Pip Aug 2016 #23
We know Trump can't talk policy, all he can do is disrupt and cause confusion. Avalux Aug 2016 #24
It won't be a valid debate. no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #27
I think we should manage our expectations. sofa king Aug 2016 #29
There's no doubt that Hillary will win if it's an actual debate. However, the bar will be set very politicaljunkie41910 Aug 2016 #32

Democat

(11,617 posts)
1. The surprise would be if the media hadn't already declared Trump the winner
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 05:50 AM
Aug 2016

Two days before the debate.

0rganism

(23,855 posts)
20. their job for the week preceding the debates is progressively lowering the bar for tRump
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 12:00 PM
Aug 2016

"if he doesn't flame out in the first five minutes it's a tRump victory"
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"if he shows up at all, he wins"
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"his very existence anywhere on the planet is clear evidence of tRump victory"

Response to vinny9698 (Original post)

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
3. Hopefully...
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:13 AM
Aug 2016

Hopefully, Trump doesn't try to weasel out of the debates! Knowing him, he will try every which way to get out of them (I think he's already trying to get out of the first one)! Anyway, that would just be more proof to the non-kooLaid drinkers, that this guy is in way over his head! You can't do anything about the ones that blindly follow him!

tblue37

(64,980 posts)
5. When Al Gore wiped the floor with W, the pundits and newspapers all crowed about how
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:26 AM
Aug 2016

"feisty" W was and gave him the win. They did to Gore's sighs the same thing they did to Dean's scream. The bar was set so low for W that an ant could have jumped over it.

I worry that they will do the same for Trump. People tend to be easily manipulated into believe nonsense like that.

The best hope is that he has a meltdown, because if he doesn't they will spin it as a win for him, even if he does a worse than usual (even for him) job.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
7. Receiver
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:36 AM
Aug 2016

Remember the strange oblong "something" on W's back? Someone was trying to help him with answers. Why wasn't THAT investigated?

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
22. A wire won't help the Donald.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 01:07 PM
Aug 2016

He can't even read off a teleprompter without sounding like a broken robot. Can you imagine how he'll do with some frantic staffer chattering answers in his ear?

Hav

(5,969 posts)
8. This is exactly what I expect for the first debate
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:50 AM
Aug 2016

Usually, in a debate between a political veteran and someone who is relatively unknown to the public when it comes to political matters, the lowered expectations help and make it much easier for the contender to look like the winner. These lowered expectations normally change for the second debate and a more unbiased judgement of the two contenders is possible.
I think that the expectations for Trump will be so low, that it will be almost impossible to not finish the debate above these expectations (Palin was similar) and therefore appear like the winner for holding his own against a seasoned pro.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
6. Much like W Bush
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:26 AM
Aug 2016

The media will say Trump was not as horrible as we thought, thus he won the debate.

Mark my words: this will be the spin.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,788 posts)
9. Result all depends on what sells for the media: a horse race or a train wreck
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 06:56 AM
Aug 2016

If the media figures a horse race will attract viewers during & after, then the bar will be set so low that an ant would trip over it and fall on the other side.

If they decide to go with "train wreck", then it will be set just a bit lower than normal and Trump will be declared a buffoon despite having "low expectations".

Regardless of all that, Trump's strategy will be a "gish gallop": spout so much questionable verbiage, egregious exaggeration, and outright lies that Clinton and the moderators don't know where to begin and become flustered and maybe even make "a mistake".

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
13. I agree with Trump on one thing
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 07:24 AM
Aug 2016

The media sucks!

Of course, I agree with him on that for very different reasons.

We have a bought and paid for media, and I don't know how the hell we can continue as a nation without a truly free press unafraid and willing to do investigative journalism again.

And I'm going with train wreck.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
33. Hillary and staffers already have a good idea of all his rubbish.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 09:22 PM
Aug 2016

I doubt he can come up with anything new to surprise. If so, she can choose a fragment from the run on sentence and speak to it.

Followup questions will stump him silly.

krakfiend

(202 posts)
10. no surprise
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 07:00 AM
Aug 2016

1. trump is going to perform badly

2. trump is going to blame the moderators for unfairly giving him hard questions like
a. how are you reaching out to the minority voters?
b. how are you going to make mexico pay for the wall?

3. trump is gong to say hillary is unfit because of:
a. benghazi
b. bill clinton
c. emails
d. she's a woman, and women are to temper mental
e. that he loves women, and not misogynistic at all.

4. trump is going to blame the liberal media and the liberal polls

5. trump is going to say he loves all people of all colors and creed, and he proves it by taking a selfie eating a burrito with some fried chicken surrounded by his female workers

6. then he says since he was treated so unfairly, he's not going to do any more debates.

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
12. Trump will try to turn it into the same clown show he made of the primary debates
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 07:23 AM
Aug 2016

Honestly, the most important thing for Clinton to do is keep him on topic, correct him on his vague non-answers, and don't let his schoolyard taunts rattle her. I still cringe when I think about her "Who Cares?!" moment in the 3rd or 4th 8-hour Benghazi grilling. It was understandable and humanizing, but not the best word choice.

moonscape

(4,664 posts)
18. She said "what difference does it make" and if you
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 11:49 AM
Aug 2016

listened to it in context, i.e. her full paragraph, you would be cheering vs cringing. I'm sure it's available online - pls listen.

TheBlackAdder

(28,073 posts)
14. One of his false teeth will be set up as a crystal AM radio, where he only can hear the answers.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 08:14 AM
Aug 2016

.


One stipulation, an RF jammer on stage.


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vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
15. Or better yet send him nonsense answers Anchorman Will Ferrell
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 08:24 AM
Aug 2016

Like that scene with the teleprompter in the movie Anchorman with Will Ferrell.


jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
21. I agree but
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 12:07 PM
Aug 2016

HRC forgot more this morning about policy than Trump has ever known and she will kill him. The problem is that a large percentage of Americans have attention spans which are too short to appreciate much policy discussion at all. Trump will make some douchebag one liners which will make headlines and 75% of the media will call it a draw.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
24. We know Trump can't talk policy, all he can do is disrupt and cause confusion.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:19 PM
Aug 2016

That's exactly what we'll see from him; he'll make outrageous comments that will be sound byte fodder after the debate. A rationale debate on the issues isn't going to happen. I hope Hillary plans on having her own zingers while maintaining her cool. I know she can do it.

no_hypocrisy

(45,774 posts)
27. It won't be a valid debate.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 03:59 PM
Aug 2016

To do that each participant has to directly respond to the question posed by the moderator.

Trump will obfuscate.
Trump will answer the question he wants to answer.
Trump will resort to his favorite technique of ad hominum insults. (Drinking game for each time Trump calls out "Crooked Hillary&quot
Trump will not debate Hillary Clinton.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
29. I think we should manage our expectations.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 08:44 PM
Aug 2016

Four years ago I said that President Obama ensured his reelection by conducting a boring debate in which he did not call out or correct the malevolent dishonesty of Mitt Romney, and I still maintain I was correct.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021469106

The problem is this: stupid people, who not so coincidentally happen to support the Republican Party in unusual numbers, are not rational, and don't understand logical arguments. One of the easiest ways you can get stupid people to believe stupid things is to tell them your lie, and then have a liberal correct it (The "Hannity and Colmes" two-step).

This is because people who can't think a problem through rely upon the authority of the people who tell them what to believe, and having someone they don't trust debate it reinforces the stupid belief. The technique doesn't work nearly as well with Democrats because, well, they're not stupid.

So the way to make the knuckledraggers support Donald Trump, to get them to send money and go out and vote, is to destroy Donald Trump in the debates by correcting his lies and making him look like an asshole. If, on the other hand, Mrs. Clinton sticks to talking about her own plans, experience, and accomplishments, the doofuses will flip over to Monday Night Football and maybe forget to vote, too.

President Obama knew it, and I am sure that Mrs. Clinton knows it, too.

That virtually guarantees an uneventful debate in which Donald Trump looks pathetic and Mrs. Clinton looks Presidential, which means her side of it will be boring, detail oriented, and comparatively non-confrontational.

That, unfortunately, is how you "win" a debate with the hopelessly uninformed.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
32. There's no doubt that Hillary will win if it's an actual debate. However, the bar will be set very
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 09:21 PM
Aug 2016

low for Drumpf, so therefore, Hillary will have to hit the ball out of the park to be declared the winner. Drumpf also is too lazy to study for any debate thinking he can wing it like he's done in the past, so she has to count on Drumpf getting nasty or name calling when he cannot come up with a 'presidential response' to any of the debate questions. I'm sure that whomever is Hillary's debate partner, he or she will have her prepped with appropriate responses to any ugly comments or accusations which he might send her way. My advice to Hillary would be to follow Michele Obama's advice, "when they go low, you go high". or even better, “Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”― George Bernard Shaw .

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