Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:43 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
Nate Silver got one thing wrong: Ohio wasn't the tipping point state--Colorado was.Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:46 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
The tipping point state is the state that puts the winner over the top. Not in time, but in closeness of the vote. You essentially count your safest states first--Hawaii, Vermont, D.C., New York etc until you get to 270. Everything closer than the tipping point state is padding for the lead.
Per the WaPo, the closest states were: 1. Florida: 0.6 percent (Obama 49.9, Romney 49.3.) The Obama states not close enough to make this list awarded him 217 Electoral Votes (Hawaii through Michigan). Wisconsin brings the total to 227, Nevada makes 233, New Hampshire makes it 237, Iowa makes it 243, Pennsylvania (closer than many battleground states) made it 263. And the state that put him over the top? Colorado, with 9 Electoral Votes, put him at 272. Virginia made it 285. Ohio and Florida were the two narrowest wins. Conversely, Silver's model ranked the states in likelihood of being the tipping point: Ohio: 49.8% Virginia: 12.3% Nevada: 9.9% Iowa: 6.6% Colorado: 6.4% What does this tell us? That Ohio wound up being a heck of a lot closer than the public polling suggested. Similarly, Pennsylvania was much closer than the public polls suggested while Wisconsin, Nevada, Colorado, New Hampshire and even Virginia saw Obama with wider leads than projected.
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| geek tragedy | Nov 2012 | OP | |
| fizzgig | Nov 2012 | #1 | |
| Cha | Nov 2012 | #31 | |
| fizzgig | Nov 2012 | #35 | |
| Cha | Nov 2012 | #36 | |
| bama_blue_dot | Nov 2012 | #2 | |
| geek tragedy | Nov 2012 | #4 | |
| november3rd | Nov 2012 | #20 | |
| JoePhilly | Nov 2012 | #3 | |
| geek tragedy | Nov 2012 | #6 | |
| JoePhilly | Nov 2012 | #13 | |
| geek tragedy | Nov 2012 | #15 | |
| JoePhilly | Nov 2012 | #17 | |
| geek tragedy | Nov 2012 | #18 | |
| RosedaleGuy | Nov 2012 | #9 | |
| JoePhilly | Nov 2012 | #14 | |
| TTUBatfan2008 | Nov 2012 | #23 | |
| Panasonic | Nov 2012 | #5 | |
| geek tragedy | Nov 2012 | #11 | |
| Cha | Nov 2012 | #32 | |
| Liberal_Stalwart71 | Nov 2012 | #7 | |
| geek tragedy | Nov 2012 | #16 | |
| KamaAina | Nov 2012 | #8 | |
| geek tragedy | Nov 2012 | #12 | |
| KamaAina | Nov 2012 | #19 | |
| november3rd | Nov 2012 | #21 | |
| KamaAina | Nov 2012 | #26 | |
| KamaAina | Nov 2012 | #10 | |
| kestrel91316 | Nov 2012 | #22 | |
| geek tragedy | Nov 2012 | #24 | |
| outsideworld | Nov 2012 | #25 | |
| davidpdx | Nov 2012 | #27 | |
| AJH032 | Nov 2012 | #28 | |
| Cha | Nov 2012 | #33 | |
| K-Matt | Nov 2012 | #29 | |
| LisaL | Nov 2012 | #30 | |
| cheezmaka | Nov 2012 | #34 | |
| TroyD | Nov 2012 | #37 |
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:45 PM
fizzgig (17,569 posts)
1. i love my state
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colorado has changed so much in the last 12 years.
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Response to fizzgig (Reply #1)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:19 PM
Cha (124,679 posts)
31. I love your state, too. I was born there many
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moons ago. From Hawai'i
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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:46 PM
bama_blue_dot (224 posts)
2. Great analysis..
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That would seem that the dirty tricks both states were pulling worked.. Just not enough..
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Response to bama_blue_dot (Reply #2)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:49 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
4. The provisionals in Ohio could tilt it further--I'd bet serious money that when they get
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counted next week there are more Obama votes than Romney votes in there (which is why Husted was trying to get as many thrown out as possible).
It's also possible that the polls just overstated his lead there--they missed in other states too in both directions. Ohio typically leans 1-3 points to the right of the nation. So, if Obama won by 2.5-3%, it somewhat makes sense that he'd have a 1-2% win there. |
Response to bama_blue_dot (Reply #2)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:20 PM
november3rd (819 posts)
20. Didn't need FL, OH, VA
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How many people realize O wins without the "Big Three" even being needed in his column?
There were tons of provisionals in the PA section where I was watching the polls. 1 out of 10 registered voters was missing from the roll book and couldn't vote. |
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:48 PM
JoePhilly (16,017 posts)
3. The key I think is that Obama still "won" without OH, VA, or FL = MANDATE
Response to JoePhilly (Reply #3)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:50 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
6. FL, VA, and OH are beachheads or forward territories.
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We own major real estate in their historic electoral back yard.
Demographics in Ohio actually make it most likely for them to take back of the three--it's the least diverse of the three. |
Response to geek tragedy (Reply #6)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:07 PM
JoePhilly (16,017 posts)
13. Very true ... and VA will help turn NC again. Ohio and IL will turn IN again.
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Florida and NC (Charlotte particularly) will help turn GA.
State borders are becoming more and more fluid. And as part of one state turns blue, it can start to influence the neighbors. |
Response to JoePhilly (Reply #13)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:10 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
15. I think in the future VA and NC will be more Democratic than Ohio will be.
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Just a function of demographics.
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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #15)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:16 PM
JoePhilly (16,017 posts)
17. I can see that ...
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I grew up in Philly, but I've been living in NC for the last 20 years.
And my wife and I have added 3 more Democrats to the state. And our oldest, 19, voted for Obama on Tuesday. The coast of NC has many environmentally oriented folks, Raleigh is very diverse, you have Chapel Hill and Durham with UNC and Duke, then Charlotte, Asheville ... the state is shifting ... even if the crazies made some progress this time. I think we will see NC and VA move left in the next 2 decades. |
Response to JoePhilly (Reply #17)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:18 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
18. Same story as Virginia--African-Americans plus a growing group of college-educated whites
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who have cultural ties to other parts of the country, universities, etc.
It'll probably be a swing state for quite some time. |
Response to JoePhilly (Reply #3)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:54 PM
RosedaleGuy (75 posts)
9. Exactly! We don't need Florida or Ohio anymore...
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...that's a big fucking deal. Ohio and Florida have a lot of Republicans and each presidential election has always centered around them. Today we have Colorado, Iowa, Nevada and Wisconsin. If dems can strengthen their hold of these states the GOP will have a hard time winning another presidential election.
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Response to RosedaleGuy (Reply #9)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:09 PM
JoePhilly (16,017 posts)
14. And as noted above, OH, VA, and FL wins create a big issue for the GOP.
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If those states become reliable DEM states ... the GOP, as it currently exists, is toast. Their immigration policies ALONE will kill them in the West. They lose OHIO, and VA, and FL too, their party is over.
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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #14)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:43 PM
TTUBatfan2008 (2,805 posts)
23. The truly scary thing for them is when Texas ends up blue...
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And it will happen sometime in the next 20-30 years unless they do a 180 on immigration policy.
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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:50 PM
Panasonic (2,921 posts)
5. TOLD YA SO!
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I said we would deliver the EV needed to break 270!
Colorado rules! |
Response to Panasonic (Reply #5)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:58 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
11. It was the Kerry states plus Iowa plus Latino-heavy states in the West.
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Kerry states=251 Electoral votes.
Iowa makes it 257. Colorado plus Nevada makes it 272. The real firewall is in the West, not the Midwest. |
Response to Panasonic (Reply #5)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:22 PM
Cha (124,679 posts)
32. Did you? How Cool~
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I had no idea
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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:51 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,857 posts)
7. I was just about to say something close to this. I wonder if Ohio is any longer a bellweather
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state. I think the new bellweather in NC or maybe CO.
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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #7)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:11 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
16. I think Iowa, Virginia and Colorado are good starting points. nt
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:51 PM
KamaAina (45,288 posts)
8. Gee, I wonder why OH and PA might have been closer than we thought?
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Got vote suppression?
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Response to KamaAina (Reply #8)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:00 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
12. That's part of it. Also the fact that they didn't catch the rise in Latino
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votes that other states caught.
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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #12)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:19 PM
KamaAina (45,288 posts)
19. PA actually should have
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Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:19 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) there are sizable Latino communities in eastern PA, especially Norristown (which accepts Mexican national ID) and Reading. And, of course, there's Hazleton, where the angry white males tried to stop landlords from renting to Latinos, er, I mean "undocumented people".
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Response to KamaAina (Reply #19)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:25 PM
november3rd (819 posts)
21. Norristown
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What do you mean that N-town "accepts Mexican national id?"
I grew up in Norristown, but haven't been back there in 30 years. |
Response to november3rd (Reply #21)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:48 PM
KamaAina (45,288 posts)
26. In the past three decades, it's become a Latino stronghold
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http://citizendia.org/Norristown,_Pennsylvania
The local government accepts Mexican Matrícula Consular cards as valid identification, in an effort to prevent immigrants from being marginalized in the community or becoming the victim of criminals who know that the undocumented have no legal recourses. |
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:56 PM
KamaAina (45,288 posts)
10. We're breaking through in the Southwest, thanks to the Latino vote
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New Mexico: Blue. Nevada: Blue. Colorado: Now Blue.
Arizona: Barry Bonds-size *. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021759187 Utah: (sigh) |
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:37 PM
kestrel91316 (45,433 posts)
22. Nevada put him over the top timewise. By that point, Ohio AND Florida AND
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Virginia were completely moot.
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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:32 PM
geek tragedy (25,721 posts)
24. Nate Silver's analysis
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http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/as-nation-and-parties-change-republicans-are-at-an-electoral-college-disadvantage/
Now that the actual returns are in, we don’t need the simulations or the forecast model. It turned out, in fact, that although the FiveThirtyEight model had a very strong night over all on Tuesday, it was wrong about the identity of the tipping-point state. Based on the polls, it appeared that Ohio was the state most likely to win Mr. Obama his 270th electoral vote. Instead, it was Colorado that provided him with his win – the same state that did so in 2008. |
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:12 PM
outsideworld (599 posts)
25. damn awesome
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:01 PM
davidpdx (8,812 posts)
27. #3 the one that got away
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NC loss by 2.2%. That's close. Still we can be happy we got close to a sweep of the swing states.
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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:04 PM
AJH032 (1,061 posts)
28. I think Obama actually won Ohio by 4-6 points
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But because of the extensive efforts to suppress the vote, and the provisional ballot crisis, Obama only ended up winning by about 2.
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Response to AJH032 (Reply #28)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:24 PM
Cha (124,679 posts)
33. ol rove sure thought mitt had it.
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:15 PM
K-Matt (83 posts)
29. The Great Republican State of Denial
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certainly helped
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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:18 PM
LisaL (22,836 posts)
30. How does one put SOS Husted from OH into a model?
Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:31 PM
cheezmaka (436 posts)
34. the Election ended quick!
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My eyes were "glued" to the tv watching OH and FL... Next thing you know, the President, gets 270! I'm asking myself, "Where did those electoral votes come from?"
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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:13 AM
TroyD (4,468 posts)
37. Some of the final polls (eg. PPP, SurveyUSA) said Obama would win by +5 in OH
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Wonder what happened there?
Voter suppression? Obama appears to only be about 2% ahead of Romney in Ohio. By contrast, Virginia, a state which until 2008 hadn't voted Democratic since LBJ in 1964, gave Obama a 3% win over Romney, despite it being supposedly more conservative. |

