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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:46 PM

Say Goodbye to the Rassmussen Organization.





http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/08/1158818/-Oh-No-Rasmussen-s-Latest-Romney-49-Obama-46

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Reply Say Goodbye to the Rassmussen Organization. (Original post)
busterbrown Nov 2012 OP
leveymg Nov 2012 #1
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #2
zebe83 Nov 2012 #3
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #5
zebe83 Nov 2012 #6
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #7
sofa king Nov 2012 #8
DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #10
jimmy the one Nov 2012 #4
Smuckies Nov 2012 #9

Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:05 PM

1. I think there's going to be a thinning of the ranks among "pollsters."

Most of them came down to earth in the last week or two (like Gallup), after they were way off. But, look at their tracking history over the entire campaign. Major Fail.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:07 PM

2. Yeah--and Gallup better stick with Registered Voter models, too.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:11 PM

3. I seriously don't understand what the publishing of skewed polls does positively besides.....

Control the narrative that your side is winning. It may grab headlines in the news. But that doesn't change peoples votes. Especially in a close race.

But the downside is that you are

1. Lying to your base. The people that support you the most. (Insert picture of open mouthed, shocked Republican from Tuesday night).

2. Scare and motivate the other side. I know that I live in Pa. and I worked extra hard when I saw those bogus Susquehanna polls showing Mittens tied or up.


I would rather know the truth, and not what I want to hear.

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Response to zebe83 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:22 PM

5. I Hated When The Concern Trolls Came Here

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But I think the tied race meme worked to our benefit in the larger population.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:34 PM

6. I agree with that......

It helped us get our people out. What benefit was it for Republicans?

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Response to zebe83 (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:56 PM

7. It Helped Them Too Because If Rass Told Them The Truth Some Would Have Been Deflated And Not Vote

What I hated about the concern trolls is that they took advantage of decent but naive DU members who with the best of intentions came to their defense and got us fighting among each other.

Most of us are way too politically savvy to be unable to distinguish between a legitimate poll and a illegitimate one.

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Response to zebe83 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:09 PM

8. They tried a different tack this time.

Previously, the corrupt polls like Rasmussen "pushed" their conservative candidates all summer long and then started walking, slowly, toward the true numbers at the beginning of October.

But this time, obviously, someone was able to keep the corrupt polls spitting corrupt numbers all the way down to the wire.

(The only reason I can think of for one wanting to do that is if you were planning to steal the election and needed some fake polls to pad your theft. But if you don't control all of the polls, your fake polls will continue to be treated as outliers by those who know what they're doing, so the other polls still had to have Romney within the margin of error in places like Ohio. When it became clear Romney wasn't that close and wouldn't be, an emergency software update went out to the machines in Ohio, almost like the fix was already in and it had to be hastily removed to prevent someone from being caught stealing it.)

Those polling companies that did that have sacrificed their viability in subsequent elections. Their names are sullied and they won't command the influence or fees that those who did better will command next time.

Unless they plan to completely step away from reality and accountability in the next general election, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Response to sofa king (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:19 PM

10. This

"In for a dime. In for a dollar."

There wasn't anything that Rasmussen wasn't going to do to maintain Republican morale. It's akin to what Zogby did in 2004 but in the other direction when he was still polling on election day in 04.

Zog is still around as is the House Of Rasmussen but they have damaged their credibility and the results their polls produce are met with the most jaundiced of eyes, even from those that want them to be true.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:20 PM

4. Say Hello to PPP (Dem) polling

Fordham Study: Public Policy Polling Deemed Most Accurate National Pollster In 2012
November 7, 2012 Fordham University has published a ranking of the most accurate pollsters of the 2012 in terms of national trends, and (both) top spots were held by Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling, the North Carolina-based firm


1. PPP (D)*
tie -- 1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP* <<< note PPP here too, polls for kos I thinks
3. YouGov* --- English/UK!
4. Ipsos/Reuters*
5. Purple Strategies -- fly by night this year, never seen it before
6. NBC/WSJ ... good show nbc!
6. CBS/NYT ... good show cbs!
6. YouGov/Economist
9. UPI/CVOTER
10. IBD/TIPP --- surprised here, internat business daily, rightwing?
11. Angus-Reid*
12. ABC/WP* .. good enough show ABC!
13. Pew Research*
13. Hartford Courant/UConn*
---------------------------------halfway point 14 above 14 below
15. CNN/ORC
15. Monmouth/SurveyUSA
15. Politico/GWU/Battleground
15. FOX News ... I consider fox polls fairly reliable, but hate tv fox
15. Washington Times/JZ Analytics -- old Zogby = JZ
15. Newsmax/JZ Analytics -- pfft, newsmaz, Zogby again, going downhill faster
15. American Research Group --- arg, phone call automated poll
15. Gravis Marketing -- nother fly by nighter this year?
23. Democracy Corps (D)* --- erk, can't win em all, dems
24. Rasmussen ----------POLLRIGGER ALERT
24. Gallup
.. gallup away into the sunset!
26. NPR
27. National Journal*
28. AP/GfK --- surprised here, AP is usually reputable, no detectable bias imo

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Response to jimmy the one (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:15 PM

9. Gallup away into the sunset... hahahah nt

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