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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:45 AM

 

Barack Obama is OUR Reagan

It's been said before, in various iterations. Obviously it would be difficult for the two men to be more ideologically different, but just think about it.

Who is the last Republican president that Republicans truly LOVED? I know Reagan is their saint now, but from what my parents tell me, he was BELOVED by conservatives even back then. They saw him as the sign of a changing direction of the country and that he would lead them in their right direction.

Republicans didn't LOVE Nixon. They certainly didn't love George Bush Sr or W EVER! Democrats may wax nostalgic for Bill Clinton (especially during the Bush years), but I never saw kids wearing t-shirts with pictures of Bill Clinton on them. I see plenty of kids wearing Obama shirts. White kids, black kids, Latino kids, asian kids. When I say kids, I mean the 18-29 demographic of which I am a part.

When we voted two days ago, most Democrats weren't just voting AGAINST Romney. We were voting FOR President Obama. Exit polls showed that most Republicans were voting AGAINST Obama, which is why they lost.

If the 2004 election hadn't been close enough to steal in Ohio, and had Barack Obama gotten elected to the Senate four years earlier, he would have won in 2004. God bless John Kerry, but many of his voters didn't really love him. We just hated Bush. Sure, I agreed with his policy positions, but I never felt emotionally connected to him like I do with Obama and how Republicans did with Reagan.

I don't think we'll have another president like him in my lifetime. I think 2016 is sealed up for us if the economy rebounds, and if Hillary is the next president, I will like her as well, but she won't be our Reagan. She'll simply be the continuation of Barack "Reagan" Obama's policies.

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IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Nov 2012 OP
graham4anything Nov 2012 #1
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Nov 2012 #4
pnwmom Nov 2012 #38
Maximumnegro Nov 2012 #45
Chemisse Nov 2012 #2
lunatica Nov 2012 #8
ThePhilosopher04 Nov 2012 #3
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Nov 2012 #5
bigdarryl Nov 2012 #6
graham4anything Nov 2012 #12
truebluegreen Nov 2012 #13
Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #22
madinmaryland Nov 2012 #19
lunatica Nov 2012 #7
struggle4progress Nov 2012 #9
Maximumnegro Nov 2012 #46
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #10
union_maid Nov 2012 #11
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Nov 2012 #14
graham4anything Nov 2012 #15
surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #16
shayes51 Nov 2012 #17
politicasista Nov 2012 #18
politicasista Nov 2012 #20
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Nov 2012 #24
politicasista Nov 2012 #27
LukeFL Nov 2012 #21
TTUBatfan2008 Nov 2012 #29
LukeFL Nov 2012 #31
Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #23
Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2012 #25
politicasista Nov 2012 #28
forestpath Nov 2012 #26
TuxedoKat Nov 2012 #37
Ter Nov 2012 #30
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Nov 2012 #32
scheming daemons Nov 2012 #33
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ Nov 2012 #34
Ter Nov 2012 #47
NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #44
Jennicut Nov 2012 #35
politicasista Nov 2012 #39
LiberalElite Nov 2012 #36
frazzled Nov 2012 #40
MrSlayer Nov 2012 #41
Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #42
limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #43

Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:54 AM

1. Barack Obama is Lincoln2 FDR5 LBJ2 JCARTER2 OBAMA1

 

oBAMA DID NOT BANKRUPT AMERICA-REAGAN DID
OBAMA DID NOT FIRE the airtraffic controllers REAGAN DID
Obama did not sleep while 100s of thousands of young liberals died from AIDS
Obama did not make illegal deals before he was elected to sabatage Jimmy Carter

NO Barack Obama is NOT Ronald Reagan.

Barack Obama is FDR
Barack Obama is Lincoln
Barack Obama is JFK RFK TEDDY LBJ
Barack Obama is Jimmy Carter, Jerry Brown, Allard Lowenstein, JVLindsay
Barack Obama is Cesar Chavez
Barack Obama is GOOD Ronald Reagan was bad
Barack Obama is the natural progression from Dr. King to all the others inc. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton
Who paved the way for Barack Obama to vote let alone run for President and become President
Barack Obama is Barack Obama

All those prior names, all those who voted for Barack Obama built what we won yesterday.

Thank God or Whomever for allowing us to have at this time in our country of need, President Barack Obama
(as the other side always uses God, God gave us Barack Obama and gave US the good sense to vote and reelect Barack Obama. At this hour of need in the USA.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:02 AM

4. I said I wasn't talking about ideological similarities

 

But President Obama commands the respect of the American people just as Reagan did back then. 25 years from now, Democrats will be talking about putting HIS picture on the $50 bill instead of Ulysses S. Grant, just as Republicans have for Reagan.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:53 PM

38. I think Clinton, like Obama, is as beloved as Reagan.

Don't forget what an important role Clinton played in Obama's campaign. He was so helpful to Obama because of his stature in the party, not despite it.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:53 AM

45. Clinton does not hold a candle to Obama

He is the Uther to Obama's Arthur. People love Clinton now because he's not in office. When he was in office, mmm, not su much. Let's not get all rosy over Clinton. He tells a good story and he's good at seeming like everybody's best friend. Everything else is triangulation. No thanks.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:59 AM

2. It seemed like everyone loved him at the time (except me)

Although my state, New Hampshire, was overwhelmingly Republican back then, so my memory may not be accurate for the times. Still, I don't recall any media criticism or dissent from his ideas.

I recall being very angry about the 'trickle down' concept. It was new then, and people just seemed to accept that it would work as described.

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:30 AM

8. I hated him, but that's probably because I was paying attention

He wrapped himself in the flag and told us we had nothing to learn about our role in the world after the Iran Hostage situation. He told us we could continue to kick ass, just like Mitt tried to tell us now. His Presidency was a total Hollywood style fantasy and he was it's main prop.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:00 AM

3. You've bought the Reagan hype I see???

Mix a couple of parts Lincoln, a dash of Kennedy, and a generous scoop of FDR and you have Barrack H. Obama! No offense but please never mention Reagan and Obama in the same breath again.

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Response to ThePhilosopher04 (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:03 AM

5. JFC, Lol. Read my post again

 

I wasn't talking about ideology.

I was talking about how POWERFUL President Obama is. Why do you think Republicans hate him even more than they hated Bill Clinton? Sure, some of it is race, but some of it is also the fact that the support he attracts in the electorate really scares the shit out of them.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:13 AM

6. I don't think a 70 year old Clinton is what the democrats need in 2016

I think we need a new face like Governor O'Malley

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:30 AM

12. then you haven't been paying attention to WHO is Obama's core voters

 

and it is not OMalley, Warner, Kaine, Cuomo, etc

The face of the party is Hillary, Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten G., Julian Castro, Cory Booker, Deval Patrick, etc.
That is MY Democratic party and we must keep going

We need to create more history moving forward

Talking demographics, and WINNING in 2016 by keeping the rainbow coalition together

Btw-ageism is as bad as the other isms.
after all, Ryan was a mere pup wasn't he?

Forward not back to the first 43
If we are lucky once again they will put up the same old same old both positions next time again

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:32 AM

13. O'Malley would be great!

but I confess my dream ticket is Warren / Grayson 2016.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:06 PM

22. O'Malley is a good organizer and competent

he needs to be more fired up for TV but that will come

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:33 PM

19. I would like O'Malley, also, but would be fine with a Clinton/O'Malley ticket.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:26 AM

7. Uh, no. He isn't.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:36 AM

9. No: Reagan was a senile ideologue, who bumbled about, playing everybody's favorite uncle,

while behind the scenes his administration became the most corrupt in history

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:54 AM

46. He means in popularity. Is no one reading the post?

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:52 AM

10. Please don't compare a great President to that actor

Ronald Reagan did not lead, he was a figure who said what he was told.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:20 AM

11. I understand what you mean

Reagan never deserved any of the credit or respect he got where it's more the opposite for PBO, but I don't think that has anything to do with your point. We - his supporters - totally respect him. He is the one we'll miss when his time in office is over, despite the fact that we have a deep bench of really stellar candidates for next time around. He's the one who changed some things that that have needed changing for so long won't be changed back any time soon. I've said right along that this is the president of my lifetime and for me that's true. And I go back pretty far now, too.

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Response to union_maid (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:32 AM

14. Thanks

 

That's exactly what I meant. Not sure everyone understood it. Obviously I don't have respect for Reagan or his policies, but he means to us what Reagan meant to Rethugs. This is basically borne out by the fact that Rethugs hate Obama more than they hated Clinton even. They hate him because they know he has the potential to rewrite the script on America, and he's in the process of doing it.

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Response to union_maid (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:35 AM

15. Obama nominated to the US SUperme court in 2017 by President Hillary Clinton45

 

Right now I put him at #4 after Lincoln, FDR, LBJ
Can President Obama move up to the first three?

And I rank Reagan in the bottom 5, along with W, 41 and Gerald Ford.

(on social issues, Nixon was almost a liberal on some of them, and Nixon did open the door to China (which is a good thing) compared to Reagan,and the republicans that followed- Nixon is a saint and he also postponed Bush41's realm for 6 years, as Bush41 wanted to replace Agnew and Nixon refused.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:04 AM

16. You're missing something important about the historical context ...

... in which Reagan was elected. By 1980, there was a very plausible fear among Republicans that watergate would mean it would be a generation or more before they would elect another president.


He was a crappy president, but he saved their party.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:09 AM

17. He's brighter than Reagan by a long shot. nt

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:39 PM

20. No need to ridicule or slam Kerry to praise Obama n/t

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Response to politicasista (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:08 PM

24. Uh, I wasn't

 

I said God bless him but from what I saw, most people didn't love him. We loved the policies that he stood for.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:26 PM

27. Their loss. They probably enjoyed having a beer with Bush

Guess Faux news was right. Pics lie and the kids and all those people that showed up to hear and see him hated him.

Well, at least Obama likes and respect him. So does Biden. Some people will always find fault with everything else.

Again, their loss and Kerry's personal gain.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:04 PM

21. What was Clinton popular vote

Compared to Obama?

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Response to LukeFL (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:51 PM

29. Combined totals...

Clinton in 1992/1996 - 92 million
Obama in 2008/2012 - 130 million (and counting)

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Response to TTUBatfan2008 (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:12 PM

31. Wow. Thank you

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:07 PM

23. I disliked Reagan

in fact he was horrible

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:15 PM

25. The difference is Obama's greatness as president will stand on its own

and we won't need a bunch of astroturfers to form an Obama Legacy Project to force his names onto buildings and create a mythology, the way Grover Norquist has done with Saint Bonzo and his mediocrity.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:48 PM

28. +1

Why Democrats and the Dem base throw a good Dem under the bus to praise Obama and a bozo like Gipper is mind boggling.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:18 PM

26. The thought of Pres. Obama compared in ANY way with Reagan makes me want to puke.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:42 PM

37. I know, me too

ICK!!!

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:52 PM

30. Reagan is way more popular to Republicans than Obama is with Democrats

 

People forget how DU was 2 or three years ago. So many (me included) wanted a primary opponent and bashed Obama every chance they got. We all came behind him this year because he was the best choice, and we weren't gonna stay home or vote third party, even though we said we would in 2010.

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Response to Ter (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:58 PM

32. You're wrong

 

DU represents the left wing of the party, of which I am a member. Most Democrats who vote are not quite as liberal and love Obama as much as Republicans loved Reagan. They don't share your disappointment.

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Response to Ter (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:00 PM

33. You're the "fringe".... 90% of Democrats love Obama and did in '10... .you're in the 10%

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:04 PM

34. Yup

 

Exactly what I said above.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:01 AM

47. It was a lot less than 90% in '10

 

I like, I don't love him. I like him a lot more this year probably in part because how extreme the Republicans are. I and many here said they wouldn't vote for him again two or three years ago. Yes, we (at least me, I can't speak for others) changed my mind, but he's still for the Patriot Act and NDAA, and certainly isn't what I would call anti-war. Those are awful positions.

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Response to Ter (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:33 AM

44. You forget how unpopular Reagan was in 1983.

MANY Republicans didn't want him to run again. Many thought he wasn't "conservative" enough. They thought he hadn't done enough.

Reagan only became "Reagan" to the Republicans later in his presidency during his second term. Even then he wasn't really canonized by the GOP until after he'd left office.

Great presidents (not that Reagan was great) don't become "legendary" so to speak until well after they've left office. When they are in office, they are politicians who have to deal with all the mundane and boring parts of being president. It's only after they've left office that that stuff is forgotten and their legacy is cemented as people forget about all the petty stuff and view their presidency from afar in the "big picture" sense.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:06 PM

35. All the Dems that ran for President would have been better then Reagan.

Kerry, Gore, Mondale, Dukakis, McGovern, ect.

All would have made better Presidents.

Obama is well liked by Dem voters, very true. But core Democratic values were held by all those men.

I think Obama has been the best of the modern Dem Presidents though, including the Dems that won like Carter and Clinton.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:14 AM

39. +1 n/t

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:07 PM

36. Can't he just be Ours without the Reagan part? n/t

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:23 AM

40. Here's the deal about Reagan

If you remember back to four years ago, you all recall that Obama said he wanted to be a transformational president, like Ronald Reagan was. Many of you were appalled, thinking he meant he wanted to adopt Reaganesque policies, but others of us knew what he was talking about.

Over the last few months, and culminating with the election-night speech, I have seen the seeds of that transformation sprouting at last. Reagan had told the country that government was the problem, not the solution. That idea took root deeply, and has never left us. It became the mantra of politicians right and eventually left: "small" government became the goal of all.

This campaign of Obama's (and a number of the things he has done and the speeches he has made over the past four years) has taken as its theme that this country succeeds or fails on what we do together. Whether it was the auto bailout or education or new energy solutions, Obama has convinced at least a majority of the nation that, yes Virginia, sometimes the government is the solution. That we need each other, that government is the way we accomplish things together: like building roads and bridges, investing in technology, securing health care for all.

I truly think that Obama has begun to transform the conversation about the role of government in this country. And if that is true, and if it holds, he will have become as transformational to our government and our politics as Reagan was. May these ideas come to prevail and endure for as long as Reagan's did.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:27 AM

41. Reagan was a criminal and a puppet.

 

President Obama is neither.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:27 AM

42. In terms of enthusiasm, I agree. But Reagan was a true con-man

and the mastermind behind an economic policy that only favors a handful of Americans. He was the master at tricking working-class Americans to vote against their fiscal interests. Nobody can compare to him in that regard.

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Response to IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:32 AM

43. Obama is our Warren G Harding.

just kidding.

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