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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:33 AM

11/7am freepress: Vote totals for Obama and Romney inexplicably decreasing in three Ohio counties

For anyone interested in the Rove behavior, who knows but this was reported Wednesday morning.

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4801

Vote totals for Obama and Romney inexplicably decreasing in three Ohio counties

by Free Press staff
November 7, 2012
Election monitors are reporting funny numbers coming out of Clark, Columbiana, and Hamilton counties (Ohio). Two of these counties are listed in Ohio Secretary of State Directive 2012-49 as participating in the Secretary of State’s ENR (Election Night Reporting) Pilot Project. The most disturbing numbers are in Clark County where the computers seem to be subtracting numbers from vote totals early in the evening.

What’s currently happening at 12:23am fits the familiar pattern of election theft in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Here’s the scenario: the exit polls are predicting a Democratic win. The state is called and projected for the Democrat. Suddenly, after 11pm, Karl Rove emerges with supposed “magic numbers” saying “not so fast. I’ve got our own numbers on the ground.” Then what happens is that the projected Democratic victory disappears and numbers that fall outside the margin of error of the exit polls are accepted.

So instead of scrutinizing the cyber election voting system for fraud, the unbelievable numbers become the official numbers, and the exit poll numbers are adjusted to meet the improbable political outcomes. That’s what’s happening right now.

Election results have fluctuated throughout the evening:

8:48pm:
25,333- Obama
25,760- Romney

9:15pm
6165- Obama
5647-Romney

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Reply 11/7am freepress: Vote totals for Obama and Romney inexplicably decreasing in three Ohio counties (Original post)
flamingdem Nov 2012 OP
The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #1
dchill Nov 2012 #2
LisaL Nov 2012 #5
demhottie Nov 2012 #3
Tribetime Nov 2012 #4
pointsoflight Nov 2012 #6
dchill Nov 2012 #7
Iggo Nov 2012 #8
flamingdem Nov 2012 #31
flamingdem Nov 2012 #24
Lint Head Nov 2012 #9
avaistheone1 Nov 2012 #10
patrice Nov 2012 #13
Lint Head Nov 2012 #18
blazeKing Nov 2012 #11
LisaL Nov 2012 #12
Jim__ Nov 2012 #14
fasttense Nov 2012 #15
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #16
barbiegeek Nov 2012 #17
crazylikafox Nov 2012 #19
fugop Nov 2012 #20
LisaL Nov 2012 #21
flamingdem Nov 2012 #25
OregonBlue Nov 2012 #22
Firebirds01 Nov 2012 #23
flamingdem Nov 2012 #26
alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #27
flamingdem Nov 2012 #28
LisaL Nov 2012 #29
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #32
yellowcanine Nov 2012 #30
flamingdem Nov 2012 #33
democrattotheend Nov 2012 #34

Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:36 AM

1. What?? Why???

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:38 AM

2. So....

What does this mean? Experimental software patches not kicking in soon enough?

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Response to dchill (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:43 AM

5. Or not working as "designed?"

Votes supposedly decreased for both Obama and Romney, not just Obama.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:38 AM

3. Shady shit

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:39 AM

4. the exits polls had an 8% Obama win, something was wrong with rove that night

I still think they tried to flip it but came up a little short . No way exits polls are that far off

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Response to Tribetime (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:49 AM

6. Even Romney internals said he was losing by 5.

Maybe it's primarily because of tons of suppression, but whatever the means, lots of Obama votes were lost. Luckily his margin ended up being big enough to overcome it.

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Response to Tribetime (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:50 AM

7. They didn't install experimental software...

patches (can't we just say XSPs?) on enough voting machines.

Just hazarding a guess...

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Response to dchill (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:53 AM

8. Excess Pee?

Uh, no.

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Response to dchill (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:49 AM

31. We could call them

Patchez (tm_

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Response to Tribetime (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:10 AM

24. Overall exit polls? After all that Early Voting

ha ha ha Rove you got landslided

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:39 AM

9. This is circumstantial evidence of fraud and should be deeply investigated.

One person involved with election software, who Rove threatened, died in a suspicious plane crash. Hmmmmm.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:42 AM

10. Exactly.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:58 AM

13. Was John Kerry in Ohio through the vote?

Senator Kerry would be just about THE subject-matter-expert on election fraud in that state, right?

He went there last week after that announcement about the SoS loading that suspicious software patch into selected systems and I was trying to find out how long he stayed. I saw that he went to some union rallies, but, aside from that, I was wondering what the Republicans might have thought of his arrival in the state, just when they were preparing to hijack another election.

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Response to patrice (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:55 AM

18. To me it's like the guy who goes into a bank to rob it and it doesn't work.

He's still guilty of bank robbery.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:47 AM

11. It's the only swing state that "underperformed" the RCP average

 

And Rove's behavior..yeah I think something's up in Ohio

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Response to blazeKing (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:53 AM

12. Rove was insistent that Romney votes just going to appear from somewhere.

Where were they going to come from?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:16 AM

14. The story ends with "Stay tuned."

I hope there is a follow-up to this.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:41 AM

15. For the last 12 years we have been seeing funny number in the elections.

Yet nothing is done. Everyone else in the world have sold off their crappy, cheating electronic voting machines for scrap metal. Not the US. Why?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:17 AM

16. What an unhelpful 'report' that is

First of all, it's not clear if those numbers given are exit polls, or votes.

Secondly, were those "8:48pm" and "9:15pm" numbers for Clark County alone, or Clark, Columbiana, and Hamilton? Where did they come from - an Ohio government site, a press release, a phone call to the counters, or what?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:21 AM

17. who can this get reported too?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:24 AM

19. kick

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:42 AM

20. Rove ...

I'm am as convinced as ever that the whole stall charade on Fox with Rove was about hoping that it all came down to Florida and Ohio. I truly think Rove was trying to hold off the call on re-election in the hopes that Virginia and Colorado and Iowa went Romney (or close enough to call ties). Had that happened, I think the GOP would have gone all out to claim there was no legitimate way to call the election that night.

I believe they hoped to contest Florida and Ohio if the votes were close (RECOUNT! LAWYERS!), and then they could do the same thing they did in 2000: Bully the Democrats into giving up.

I'm not usually big on conspiracies, but that's what I suspect. I think he was hoping against hope that the clusterfuckery of Florida and Ohio could tie things up long enough to either (1) swing the election to Romney through recounts or the Supreme Court; or (2) cast the Obama victory as illegitimate to ensure he could get nothing done for the next four years.

It's really terrifying to think about, because it could have worked. Thank God people answered the call to stay in line and vote, and thank God Virginia, Colorado and Iowa came through (along with all the other swings). I just hope that this time, with this great victory on the backs of Hispanics/women/African-Americans/unions/young voters, etc., can be used to rev up those same voters and remind them that we need to come out in off years as well or lose all the gains we make in presidential years.

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Response to fugop (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:57 AM

21. If it was up to OH and FL, Romney would have contested for sure.

OH still has a large number of provisional ballots and absentee ballots that arrived after the election to count (OH law says they can only be counted starting Nov 17). FL has still not finished counting and the margin is small.

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Response to fugop (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:14 AM

25. I tend towards your opinion

simply because of the complexity of stealing a state like Ohio with all of those eyes on the numbers

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:51 AM

22. I also assume that that is why Karl was upset. He thought they were going to flip it and couldn't

believe that is was not working this time. Is it possible that the Dems knew it too and did something to prevent it. If they knew from last time but could not prove it, they still might have been able to stop the flip program from working? I don't know how the software works or how the votes are transmitted to the SOS office but I kept thinking they were going to try it again. Karl's reaction says to me, he thought they had but for some reason it did not work!!

If they had software to change the vote between the actual totals and the communication to the SOS office and it did not work, he could not come out and claim fraud since they were the ones who were trying to commit the fraud in the first place.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:53 AM

23. Obama only lost Clark County

 

by about 1k votes.

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Response to Firebirds01 (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:16 AM

26. They might want to check that one out

from top to bottom. Something tells me that they won't overhaul the Ohio system anytime soon..

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:23 AM

27. Obama's actually got massive cover on this

First, because he won Ohio, so an investigation of voting processes and irregularities would not be sour grapes;

Second, because he doesn't ever have to run again, and;

Third, because he won without Ohio, so the results are really irrelevant to his election.

I have been the one of the foremost "Election Fraud" skeptics on this board. But Rove's behavior and this make me curious. Doesn't seem like a bad idea to get a couple of FEC guys supported by FBI down there for a little Q & A with Husted and some local officials.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:35 AM

28. I sure hope so but part of the deal might be

to keep the news media out -- the pols at the top don't want to be tumbled by Rove's tricks

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:41 AM

29. I was watching when Obama was projected to win the presidency because he won OH.

Then Rove showed up claiming that it was premature and that there were still plenty of Romney votes in OH.
Where did he think these votes were going to come from?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:50 AM

32. Immediately after Rove reported he was expecting about 150,000 additional votes,....

....the Dems reported they were waiting on close to half a million votes.

Boom.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:48 AM

30. Remember Florida 2000. A lot of people forget that Florida was called for Gore.

Then Karl Rove came on the TV and basically said, “not so fast. I’ve got our own numbers on the ground.” The call was taken back and later on we found out about the butterfly ballots - and of course the exit polls showed Gore winning because people thought they had voted for Gore, only it was not recorded that way. Anyone who thinks the butterfly ballot was an honest mistake by election workers is either a Republican partisan or naive. Remember that Katherine Harris as SOS had to approve the ballot design of every county.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:51 AM

33. So Rove interjected there as well!

The other curiosity is that Anonymous warned him not to try to steal the election like he did before (see the other thread on that with video here) and the Columbus Free Press DUer said that they got the info about the patches via Wikileaks, which I guess essentially means Anonymous. So at a minimum we might conjecture that Obama would have won Ohio by a larger margin, the exit polls said 8%

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:04 PM

34. This needs to get some attention

I have been afraid that because the election was not that close the efforts to rig/suppress the vote would go ignored. They pulled this same crap in 2004 and it needs to be investigated.

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