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Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:27 AM

All the way to Tampa; Santorum and Gingrich hate Romney 'to the core'.

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"Romney seems unaware that "he'll need guys like Gingrich and Santorum not to hate his guts."" He sees the campaign like a corporate takeover, with delegates as shareholders. "In takeovers, you don't care about burning the other guy down because you're never going to see him again".

Boston.com
Anger over attack ads keeps Romney rivals fighting

Republican insiders say Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich are fuming over the hard-hitting 30-second spots that sent them tumbling after they gained early leads in Iowa, Florida, Michigan and other states....

Some Republicans say the campaign quarrels are no worse than those between Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, which lasted deep into the summer of 2008. McKenna disagrees.

With Obama and Clinton, he said, "it was personal, but just around the edges. This is personal to the core."

Santorum and Gingrich have sizeable egos and ambitions, so it's possible they would be fighting just as hard against Romney if the ads against them had been milder. Whatever the case, both men seem to take pleasure in highlighting Romney's weaknesses, even though it might hurt their party in the fall against Obama.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/03/18/anger_over_attack_ads_keeps_romney_rivals_fighting/?page=1

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Reply All the way to Tampa; Santorum and Gingrich hate Romney 'to the core'. (Original post)
denem Mar 2012 OP
Cosmocat Mar 2012 #1
denem Mar 2012 #2
Cosmocat Mar 2012 #7
aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #3
LisaL Mar 2012 #4
IndyJones Mar 2012 #5
DFW Mar 2012 #6
Arkana Mar 2012 #8
denem Mar 2012 #9
Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #10

Response to denem (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:30 PM

1. This is republicanism at its core

Gingrich and Santorum expect him to not run negative ads - even though they have done the same. AND, they would have piled it on to win like he has AND they would do it even worse in a general election. I have seen Santorum campaigning, and it is not touch football.

But, this is what republican's have allowed themselves to become. They want to be treated with absolute kid gloves (but will regardless find reason to be greatly offended) while being bomb throwing fire breathers themselves.

I would also note about BO and Hillary. BO was always very tempered toward Hillary. His campaign for the most part. Hillary went at him pretty good, but nothing over the top. This is politics. End of the day, BOs temperment and personality were such that he was able to bring Hillary into his administration.

Rs - they want whoever they are fighting to have one arm tied behind their backs while they go to work below the belt.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:54 PM

2. I'm not sure that it's quite the par for the course this time around.

Like the Romney ad that took Obama out of context 'if we talk about the economy we will lose', when he was quoting a McCain advisor about McCain's campaign, another Romney ad said 'Gingrich had co-sponsored legislation "that would have given $60 million a year to a U.N. program supporting China's brutal one-child policy."'.

In fact the legislation specially banned funding for abortion, sterilization, or programs "to coerce any person to accept family planning".

That's pretty tough stuff to go the air with. I am guessing Romney's GE campaign will plumb new lows, and certainly team Obama know what's coming their way.

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Response to denem (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 08:36 AM

7. eh

McCain ran an ad that made him out to be the antichrist.

It's going to be bad, but this time four years ago year BO spent a month and a half being questioned repeated for not wearing a fricken flap pin on his lapel - and the "liberal media" obediently treating it like a real issue. He got hammed for Reverand Wright, and a couple weeks before Sarah Palin was annointed a STAR by the media, Obama spent a month being tore down for being a CELEBRITY.

Hill did not play touch football, either.

Mitt has been VERY effective at using his super pac to turn some of the big states he was down in around with a heavy dose of negative ads against whoever was ahead of him out of Santorum and Gingrich, but that has more to do with money than anything. If they had the money they would swamped the air with their attack ads, too.

This is just them balling around cause they can't bully the media like they do with dems. Things are going to change A LOT once Romney (presumably) gets the nomination, but the big thing going on here is that for one brief period, the scumbag, weak kneed "liberal media" has been freed to call the Rs for what they are - lunatics, without even having to do the "but Ds are just as bad" crape.

THAT is the rules of the game Santorum and Gingrich are used to, where they can say and do whatever they want with a compliant media willing to excuse them. In an unrefereed fight where they don't have the the money advantage, they are taking the lumps they like to dish out.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:43 PM

3. "...He sees the campaign like a corporate takeover..."

I dread to think he would see the Presidency in the same way, should we have the great misfortune to see him win.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:49 PM

4. WTF do they expect?

Ads filled with bunnies and clouds? Or in Santorum's case, plants?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:39 AM

5. Exactly. And Gingrich doesn't exactly have a halo over his head.

Does anyone think that the "weaknesses" wouldn't be exploited in the general just because they did't exploit them in the primaries?

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Response to denem (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:09 AM

6. Obama and Clinton like each other. No love lost between Romney and the radicals.

Gingrich and Santorum made Romney lurch to the far right just to keep ahead of them, and
thus force him so far off the edge of the cliff as to be unacceptable to many moderates who
might have been open to candidate Romney otherwise. Realistically, Gingrich and Santorum
have basically maneuvered Romney into a position where he has become unelectable in the
general election. So, sure, he hates their guts as much as they hate his.

I'm liking this because the love fest they'll be forced to put on after their nominee is decided
will be so unbearably phony that even the Foxsuckers will see through it. Fox will trumpet
the virtues of the Republican nominee no matter who it is, even if they nominate Barney
Frank's dining room table, and thereby lose some of their dearly bought credibility with the
extremist right. Fine with me.

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Response to DFW (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 10:40 AM

8. I think it might be a stretch to say they "like" each other.

That primary got nasty at times. I know--I contributed to some of the nastiness. However, I think Hillary and Obama have made peace--kinda have to when she's his Secretary of State, but I think Bill warming up to Obama has helped.

But this? This is next-level shit. The Republicans are tearing each others' throats out.

And it is DELICIOUS.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 01:39 PM

9. I noticed how much Bill featured in 'The Road We've Traveled'

Obviously they have sorted things out.

Also, there was this tidbit, from Game Change:

There was the Bill Factor, that unremitting source of speculation far and wide. The conventional wisdom held that the former president would be the death knell of the Madame Secretary scenario. Would he open the books and reveal the donors to the William J. Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative? He’d always fought that tooth and nail. Would he accept restrictions on his travel, his speaking, his business activities? Please.

But the conventional wisdom couldn’t have been more wrong. Faced with tough, unequivocal demands from the Obamans —demands that many of his people considered beyond the pale —Bill said, fine. Publicly and privately, he vowed to do “whatever they want.” There was no way he was going to let himself be cast as a stumbling block. Back-channeling regularly with Podesta, Emanuel, and Biden, he became the loudest and most ardent voice urging his wife to take to the job.


Bill has a personal stake in this Administration.

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Response to denem (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 07:56 PM

10. A similar phenomenon happened in the last cycle in 2008

Many of the Republicans hated his guts. They despised him. Tweety was talking about this a few weeks ago. The hate has gotten even worse and more intense in 2012.

It's easy to see why.

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