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Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:18 PM

Did ANON UN-hack the vote?

This would explain all the last minute GOP back-tracking,
with Rove going on FOX with hair ablaze saying "THIS
CAN NOT BE RIGHT...???" .. outing himself in the process.



My pet theory of the day is that Anon quietly shined some
rays of light deep into the opaque murky e-voting circuitry,
behind the scenes, where only the world's best hackers go ..
and simply made sure that the vote-counting was accurate
and true.

This pre-election YouTube video by Anon seems to suggest
that something like this was going on behind the scenes.
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Reply Did ANON UN-hack the vote? (Original post)
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 OP
Kookaburra Nov 2012 #1
gkhouston Nov 2012 #48
Kookaburra Nov 2012 #52
northoftheborder Nov 2012 #2
Phx_Dem Nov 2012 #3
gkhouston Nov 2012 #4
MineralMan Nov 2012 #5
LisaL Nov 2012 #6
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #7
MineralMan Nov 2012 #9
chalky Nov 2012 #11
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #15
MineralMan Nov 2012 #43
gateley Nov 2012 #73
bushisanidiot Nov 2012 #50
gateley Nov 2012 #72
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #74
LisaL Nov 2012 #10
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #16
bemildred Nov 2012 #18
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struggle4progress Nov 2012 #12
randomelement Nov 2012 #27
crunch60 Nov 2012 #66
OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #8
struggle4progress Nov 2012 #13
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #17
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #14
bkkyosemite Nov 2012 #19
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #20
crunch60 Nov 2012 #65
toddaa Nov 2012 #21
starroute Nov 2012 #22
gkhouston Nov 2012 #47
demhottie Nov 2012 #23
jeff47 Nov 2012 #24
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #38
jeff47 Nov 2012 #41
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #57
IdaBriggs Nov 2012 #42
Norrin Radd Nov 2012 #49
ailsagirl Nov 2012 #25
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #58
ailsagirl Nov 2012 #59
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #62
UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #26
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #37
nsd Nov 2012 #28
JoeyT Nov 2012 #29
Tribetime Nov 2012 #30
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #33
Tribetime Nov 2012 #46
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #54
flamingdem Nov 2012 #31
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #34
flamingdem Nov 2012 #53
gateley Nov 2012 #71
dchill Nov 2012 #32
UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #35
UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #36
GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #39
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #68
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #40
FSogol Nov 2012 #44
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #56
texpatriot2004 Nov 2012 #45
Norrin Radd Nov 2012 #51
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #55
Coyotl Nov 2012 #60
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #64
CANDO Nov 2012 #61
renate Nov 2012 #63
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #67
Quantess Nov 2012 #69
99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #70

Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:20 PM

1. They said they would if there were any shenanigans

So it's possible.

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Response to Kookaburra (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:49 AM

48. No, they said they'd turn over any evidence of a hack to the authorities.

I'm not aware of any threats of a counter-hack.

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Response to gkhouston (Reply #48)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:18 AM

52. I stand corrected

Thank you

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:21 PM

2. hmmmmm......

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:42 PM

3. wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:43 PM

4. Either that, or they pre-programmed the "cheat" percentage and it wasn't enough. n/t

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:47 PM

5. I truly doubt that the script kiddies

did anything with regard to the election.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:48 PM

6. I doubt it too.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:50 PM

7. So you really think that Anon was just blowing smoke here?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:53 PM

9. Yes. Absolutely.

I give that loosely organized organization no credit for any ability to do something so audacious. If it doesn't involve simple DDOS scripts, they fail, and the voting machine business isn't at all vulnerable to that. Hacking voting machines requires actual physical presence, and the Anonymous script kiddies would have to leave their Cheetos bags in their moms' basements to go outdoors. The light would hurt their eyes, you see.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:00 PM

11. This. +1000. Thumbs up. Like.

n/t

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:11 PM

15. Your patronizing dismissive demeanor is noted.

If Howard F*cking Dean can hack the vote, then I do
believe Anon can. BTW - Dean's "presence" was not
required. http://www.bradblog.com/?p=2724

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:08 AM

43. That's good.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:13 AM

73. This helped me understand Anon's reference to monitoring the servers:

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:12 AM

50. HAHAHA!

LOVE THIS.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:10 AM

72. They say they'll be monitoring the servers and reporting any abnormalities to the authorities. --

Not that they'd un-hack (or whatever the term would be)

This vid makes me think it would be possible to do that:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101774451

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Response to gateley (Reply #72)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:58 AM

74. Yes, I'd seen this, and it is quite informative

I'm not a computer genius by a long shot, and so I do need to rely
on people that know more about this stuff, along with informative
videos and articles like this one.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:57 PM

10. Yep. I think they were bluffing.

Kind of like-don't mess with election, or will get you.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:21 PM

16. Anon to Rove: "We'll be monitoring your servers..."

Is what Anon said they'd be doing.

Pretty good bluff, esp. since we ended up winning,
despite all the dirty tricks and dark money by the
GOP.

If Howard Dean can hack the vote, then Anon can
stop it IMHO.
http://electiondefensealliance.org/howard_dean_hacks_gems_system_topic_a

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:26 PM

18. Yeah, that was bullshit.

Bullshit for bullshitters is good policy. I'm not saying they couldn't, that it's not feasible, but that statement smacked of bullshitting the ignorati.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:00 PM

12. +

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:04 AM

27. Watch and learn

DU member TOOLZ posted this a little while back:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101774451

You should find it interesting

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Response to randomelement (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:36 PM

66. In Las Vegas, the mob calls it "bagging em' up"

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 08:53 PM

8. Wouldn't be a bit surprised. nt.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:01 PM

13. Nope -- Rove's dirty tricks just didn't pan out

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:23 PM

17. So what is your theory, as to why it "didn't pan out" for Rove.

I at least proposed some kind of theoretical explanation
as to why the election "just didn't pan out" for Rove & Co.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:06 PM

14. Wouldn't at all be surprised if they played at least a small role in TPTB's failure last right.

Not every Anon is a script kiddie.....some of these guys are quite skilled at what they do.

Anonymous does have it's issues, simply due to how the organization is laid out, but for every bad apple, there's a lot of decent ones, too.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:43 PM

19. Well when I see Rove in handcuffs then I'll say hmmmmm

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:59 PM

20. It will be interesting to see if anything surfaces during next few weeks

I mean, I'm not Anon, but if I was, I would have tried to somehow
document the e-voting buggery machinations of Rove & Co. and
then release it to the public, once the dust settles from the election.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:34 PM

65. I really believe that's why Rove had his meltdown on Fox regarding

 

the Ohio returns, after all he had done, buggery wise, Ohio was going blue. All I can say, if Anon was responsible, yippee for them..

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:04 PM

21. Hacking voting machines is not the same thing as DDOSing web sites

The kind of hack you are suggesting would involve access to proprietary code or the machines themselves to discover exploits. That's not Anon's style. They're more about social hacking and exploiting known vulnerabilities. Zero day exploits on private networked machines would be similar to Stuxnet and probably require government or organized criminal backing to accomplish.

If Anon had anything to do with the election, it would be all over pastebin and irc. The one thing they completely suck at is STFU.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:34 PM

22. There may be more to Anonymous than its public face

A couple of weeks ago, I saw an interesting comment online by someone who has been loosely associated with Anonymous. He pointed out that the people who have been arrested for hacking or DDOS attacks are all pretty young -- mostly late teens and early 20's.

But there are several generations of hackers before them. People from the early days of the Internet in the 1990s, and even people from the old bulletin board days before that in the 1980s. You don't hear anything about them -- but this person was strongly implying (without quite saying so outright) -- that they do exist, that they have skills honed over 20 or 30 years, and that they have been working quietly behind the scenes.

I have no idea if that's true, but if it is, it raises a host of possibilities.

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Response to starroute (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:43 AM

47. Actually, that wouldn't surprise me. n/t

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:39 PM

23. I LOVE conspiracy theories- keep 'em comin'



this one is particularly juicy ...

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:07 PM

24. Um.....no

You can't break into a voting machine over the Internet. Because they aren't plugged in to the Internet.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:52 AM

38. I figure if Howard Dean can do it

then the idea of Anon or Wikileaks being able to do it too
suddenly doesn't sound at all implausible.
http://www.ninehundred.net/~equalccw/deandemo.html

I don't claim to know a lot about hacking computers and
such, I just calls 'em like I sees 'em, and lets the chips
fall like 64 Yarrow Sticks.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:56 AM

41. And if you pay attention to the demo, you'd note it requires physical access to the tabulator.

I strongly suspect a guy walking into the BoE with a Guy Fawkes mask might raise some suspicion. Especially when he starts plugging things into the tabulator.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:39 PM

57. And if you pay attention to the Occupy/Anon Phenomenon, you'd note that "they" are everywhere nt

HINT: the masks are only worn when serving some useful purpose.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:06 AM

42. Once upon a time, there was a man named Andy Stephenson.

We had a lovely chat back in 2004. He asked the nice old lady if her laptop was connected to the internet (being as how he could see the phone line plugged in). She indignantly replied OF COURSE NOT! That would be against the rules! He then pointed out the phone line, so she explained that was just for email, which wasn't the same thing.....

But now we have Wi-Fi, and I am sure these same little old ladies *all know* how to turn it off, right? Right?

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Sigh.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:10 AM

49. +1

Andy even braved Freeperville to attempt to convince the troglodytes to get on board with calling out election shenanigans.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:11 PM

25. To those of you who doubt the vote can be (and has been) hacked...

Last edited Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:28 PM - Edit history (3)

Look up Mike Connell-- the late Mike Connell, Rove's hapless "techno-guru," who was hired by Rove to hack Ohio's numbers in the 2004 election to keep W in the White House another term. (Kerry would have won the election otherwise.) In 2008, Connell was scheduled to testify in a lawsuit re the 'anomalies' in Ohio's 2004 voting numbers, and Rove told him he (Connell) would have to take full responsibility for flipping Ohio's votes. Connell refused. Two weeks before he was set to testify, he was killed when his small plane crashed.

Check out:

www.rovecybergate.com

for more. This is just a thumbnail sketch of what happened.

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:00 PM

58. Thank you.

I'm still amazed at how some people just don't want to believe that
votes can be hacked, so much so, that they devise even more elaborate
and implausible explanations to try to convince themselves and others
that votes can't possibly be hacked.




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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:09 PM

59. A friend thinks I'm crazy because I believe we Dems have been sabotaged on a number of occasions

I tell her she's naive if she doesn't believe shady dealings go on in the background. You can find a wealth of material online. I don't do research anymore--it was just too creepy.

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:39 PM

62. Yeah, I know

It's like there really are some things I'd rather
NOT know too much about.

I think it was Jesus who said "Be simple concerning Evil",
which seems to apply.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:31 PM

26. That would be the ultimate poetic justice the Hackers hack the hack

The only problem with this is they would need to let everyone know that the machines were and can be hacked. So the problem can be identified and corrected.

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:43 AM

37. If Howard Dean can hack the vote, then anyone can.

This info has been around for awhile, in wake of elections Bush stole.
http://electiondefensealliance.org/howard_dean_hacks_gems_system_topic_a

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:08 AM

28. No.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:15 AM

29. No.

And you'd better hope they didn't. If they can do it anyone else can.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:21 AM

30. that's must be true, rove acted like he knew something no one else did

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Response to Tribetime (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:28 AM

33. Exactly! and that "something" that he knew, he could NOT bring himself to SAY on live TV nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:35 AM

46. I still think they should investigate exits polls 5-6% off in ohio

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Response to Tribetime (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:53 PM

54. I TOTALLY agree. ReThugs keep finding new ways to steal votes.

There's no reason on God's green earth Democrats should have to
turn out so many voters to overcome the ReThugs cheating edge;
requiring a literal Democratic landslide just to eek out a "narrow
win" in the "official results" ... official my ass.

Here in Oregon, where elections are by mail, and pretty clean by
comparison to OH and FL, a Republican poll worker got caught
filling in Republican Xs where the voter had left anything blank;
and I think they are getting prosecuted for voter fraud with is a
felony. She only fiddled with about 8-10 ballots as far as anyone
can tell, and she's getting the book thrown at her.

Should be the same way with Rove, et. al. who routinely commit
election fraud on a grand scale, forcing Democrats to create their
own landslides to overcome their cheating.

Obama should replace Holder with someone who will go after these
crooks instead of hassling medical marijuana patients.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:30 AM

31. Well this is what I learned

The experimental patches that were placed into Ohio voting machines had a contract. The freepress.org journalist tried to get this information about the patches in the contract from Husted and then FOIA or similar. In the end they got the info from Wikileaks, based on that information it's possible they felt confident in drawing these conclusions and thought it was worth it to bluff at least with Rove. I'm not sure this is the exact chain of events with Wikileaks but it might be.

If you got to freepress now you'll see they monitored oddities in the vote count similar to 2004 in Ohio.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:33 AM

34. Thanks. I will

check out the freepress.org site.

This is getting interestinger with each new lead.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:20 AM

53. Somewhere else on DU in a conversation

with the Columbus Free Press DUer they mentioned another contact at Husted's office, there was some info gleaned there as well.. Yes it does get interestinglyer and i hope we can learn more! Let me know if you find anything else, thanks

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:34 AM

32. That is a VERY intriguing question!


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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:34 AM

35. Well the bottom line is it is time to get integrity back into the voting system

Now is the time to correct the problem. There is no reason to not have a built in transparent voting system with a paper trail of all transactions. There is simply no reason not to aim for that standard.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:41 AM

36. If Anon did un-hack the vote machines they better cover their tracks well

Rove and his money interests will hunt them down. So they need to keep it all on the down low and erase all tracks of how they did it.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:32 AM

39. Monkey see, monkey do.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:34 AM

68. X100 nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:41 AM

40. Wackiest CT EVAR!

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

This is satire, right? Seriously, nobody could be suggesting an even more over the top CT than the BBV hucksters, right?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 09:16 AM

44. Did I enter Creative Speculation by mistake?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 05:34 PM

56. You didn't see all the signs?

... at the front door?

CAUTION! ENTERING META DUNGEON: "WHERE YOUR MIND IS OUR RED MEAT":
ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:33 AM

45. It's possible. If he did,

God Bless him and I thank him from the bottom of my heart...um, or her.

I have no idea. I like to think of a benevolent God-in-Flesh living here and looking out for the people.

You know that saying, something about you're not paranoid if it's true...well,
maybe it goes for conspiracy theories too.

Peace.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:14 AM

51. Only an idiot would assume Anon is comprised solely of script kiddies.

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Response to Norrin Radd (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 04:55 PM

55. Thank you - a voice of reason .. ahhh. nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:25 PM

60. So, which side of the spectrum has a monopoly on tin foil now?

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:45 PM

64. I think we're talking FULL Spectrum now dude. But hey, no worries, it was inevitable.

Resistance is not only futile, but it is pointless as well.

We are now nothing more, nothing less, than ourselves,
looking at ourselves, through ourselves, all at once.

There is no "other".

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:26 PM

61. Something I don't get about Rove on Faux that night.

He was talking about a 900 something difference while they were simultaneously showing results that were several thousand more. I'm completely confused by him and his 919 votes thing.

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Response to CANDO (Reply #61)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 07:42 PM

63. I was wondering about that too

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else yet, and they didn't question it on Fox at the time, but WTH? It had never been that close at any point, had it?

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Response to renate (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:32 AM

67. It was "that close", but only in KKKarl Rove's wet dreams, apparently. nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:39 AM

69. Kark Rove acted very suspiciously on tv.

That set off a bunch of red flags for me. I don't know. Where there's smoke, a lot of the time there really is fire.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #69)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:16 AM

70. Smoke Signals from Turd-blossom's inferno

seem to suggest he got caught with his pants down,
on live TV, talking gibberish, and sputtering his
disbelief at what was happening. "WTF? This CAN'T
BE HAPPENING!"

Rove's fix was in alright, but something intervened to
"true the vote" despite his despicable felonious shenanigans.

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