2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThere Is A Racist Aspect to The Protests
Disrupting Cummings and Lewis, then getting into a clash with BLM protestors. Maybe it is payback for when BLM protestors disrupted a few Bernie rallies, but it should be obvious now that BLM was not targeting Bernie, since they are now protesting Hillary, too.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)They also interrupted Panetta and several other white speakers.
I think many of these people are plants. They are uninformed (see the exchange with Harry Reid), which is unusual for a typical Bernie supporter.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)proof of racism. To the contrary.
These people are angry at EVERYONE who is not with them, and yes, they are very angry at the mostly unified black bloc because it supported Hillary. They see an oppressed people as "failing," "betraying" a revolution that they believe, in truly outrageous righteousness, "all" oppressed people should support.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Is when they imply minorities do not know what is best for them! This white dude found that very offensive.
And read it a lot, fortunately I never saw it here.
And from now on I am going to call them Greens or Anarchists because they do not follow anyone who is supporting Hillary.
ananda
(28,834 posts)They act like plants.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Even a Trump presidency wouldn't hurt them.
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)Hillary Clinton is so tight with the Congressional Black Caucus, and there were some Sanders supporters who didn't like the close connection between the people of color and Hillary Clinton. Some pretty dreadful things were said about black Democrats when the CBC voiced its support for Clinton. I wonder sometimes if that's a factor in the protests becoming more hateful specifically against black speakers.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Renaissance Man
(669 posts)This is democracy. I haven't heard any of the protesters hurl racist slurs at either Cummings or Lewis. If anyone would like to share a video link to where I can view it, I'd like to see it.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)just about as despicable as using racial epithets.
This isn't the first time you have made me wonder about you.
469 posts in 12 years, yet 4 recent posts hidden. Very curious.
Renaissance Man
(669 posts)I'm a black male (with a black mother and black father). I also was raised in and currently reside in the deep south. I've voted in every Presidential, Senatorial, Congressional, and every state and local election that I've had the opportunity to participate in since I've been eligible to and registered to vote. I've always voted straight ticket for Democrats.
My father is a pastor of a Southern church (and he voted for Hillary in the primary and I voted for Bernie in the primary). NEVER come at me with the kind of tone that you've come at me with not knowing my background. As if I care about if whether you "wonder" about me or not. Get over yourself. Regarding my post count, I spend most of my time away from DU actually trying to get Democrats elected and holding their feet to the fire (not being a keyboard warrior) while trying to maintain a career (JD, MBA, LLM).
Elijah Cummings was heckled because he was the platform chair (a platform that, by the way, is neutral on the Trans Pacific Partnership). Link that with the same "No TPP" signs that the hecklers were displaying when they heckled him, and it's easy to see why he was treated the way that he was treated.
Making these protests about something they aren't is complete hyperbole, and kind of intellectually dishonest and ignorant.
TomCADem
(17,382 posts)...I don't recall him speaking in favor of TPP.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)So what about those 4 post hides? If you rarely post, that's an extremely high percentage of late.
Renaissance Man
(669 posts)Again, if anyone can share a link to where I can view a video of racial epithets or slurs being directed to Cummings or Lewis, I'd love to see it. Until then, it's quite a stretch to call those protests racist.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)If you think blacks have to suffer a racial epithet or slur in order to suffer racism, well, that's certainly not the attitude I have seen among my black friends. It's actually what I hear from racist RWNJs.
So do understand my skepticism.
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)I think part of what bugged me was people shouting hateful things at Cummings while he was speaking about his family's history and the history of people of color in a racially stratified America. Some Democrats take this very seriously, and I can't imagine a decent person shouting at a civil rights leader speaking about civil rights.
TomCADem
(17,382 posts)...to lead a march into the DNC and BLM was refusing to be used as a prop by them. Targeting civil rights heroes who are speaking about BLM will not endear BOB to BLM. Can you imagine how BoB typed would react if BLM shouted down Bernie?
nini
(16,672 posts)These people are out of touch to anything other than their own bubble.
That speech was about human rights - NOT the time to act they way they did. If they're stupid enough to not even be listening to what is being said at a certain moment and understand when their concerns will actually be heard, someone really needs to school those children.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)You don't have to use the N word to be racist, the C word to be a misogynist, the K word to be anti-semitic, et cetera.
As my friend said:
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)applegrove
(118,492 posts)in the Bernie or Bust movement.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I read that they were the ones who heckled Booker.
stopbush
(24,392 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)TomCADem
(17,382 posts)Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)All I could find was free republic linking back to Nat Memo with the usual racist innuendo, and that Infowars was on the scene Tuesday, interviewing Jill Stein and had nothing on the topic. You'd figure those ambulances chasers would be foaming at the mouth to stoke some good-ole fashion racism... but nothing.
Strangely, the title "BERNIE SUPPORTERS, BLACK LIVES MATTER CLASH WITH POLICE OUTSIDE DNC" is nearly verbatim, with the added caveat, "with police". Search the title, since I prefer not to post that crap here.
With the shear amount of video cams and smartphones out there, I'm sure there's something better out there to hang this hat on.
TomCADem
(17,382 posts)...the author is a white supremacist? Not really sure what the point of your post.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)But there have been plenty of false narratives not backed up by video in a sea of videography lately, and you seem to be pretty quick to jump on a story that accuses Berners of racism and "Clashes", a term usually used by war reporters covering violence. Didn't work out too well for Jon Ralston. And I didn't call him a racist.
Am I going to be accused as a racist or misogynist because I questioned the reporting of a latina?
nolabear
(41,932 posts)Heck, not that long ago (like, a week) there would have been so few people of color it wouldn't have been an issue.
Lanius
(599 posts)IMO, a lot of the rabid Bernie supporters are angry at black (and minority) voters for overwhelmingly supporting Clinton. I remember being on message boards and some were asking how blacks in the South could vote for Hillary. To me, it came off as them saying "don't these people know what's best for them?"
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JI7
(89,240 posts)runaway hero
(835 posts)trying to shut down dissent will make it worse.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And saying that blacks are voting against their own self interest is one of those things. And during the Southern primaries I read it many time on multiple sites. Never here, but perhaps I missed it before it was hidden, as it surely would be.
runaway hero
(835 posts)How many african american posters here have callen for bernie supports to be thrown out on their ears? it goes both ways. Not saying you but it seems people like authoritarianism when convenient for them.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And his supporters were horrible.
But I do not consider those at the convention causing problems his supporters.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And that they are all righties ratfucking is incorrect. Not saying you promoted that in any way but it is often how we dismiss it. We can and should be open about racist elements on the left. The worst of it can be seen from left wing isolationists. That is why labeling Sanders was so easy during the primary. Sanders is overall excellent on these issues and I don't believe he has a racist bone in his body. Privilidge and racism are separate though one is almost always necessary for the other on an individual level. The left wing isolationists fully went into one camp and image is everything. That alone was one of the most difficult aspects for me this primary. Seeing Sanders linked to that imagery was painful to watch though I fully understand why it was done. Racist on the left made it possible.
We need to be completely open and honest about racism.