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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:59 PM Jul 2016

Black Lives Matter and Bernie or Bust Clash Outside the DNC Convention



When a Black Lives Matter march arrived, tensions rose as they refused to unite the two protests. “This message is not gonna get drowned out. I will not allow it” one BLM protestor said, as he argued that the Bernie or Bust crowd only wanted to protest together to make their own movement look larger than it was, not to address racial injustice.

A group of Sanders supporters attempted to ease tensions with “we are in this together” chants that clashed with “hell no DNC we won’t vote for Hillary” screams.

“This is why we can’t do anything” a Sanders supporter said of BLM’s attempts to keep the two protests separate.

A BLM activist replied that he had joined the Bernie or Bust movement before, but that their “this is what democracy looks like” motto did not represent his demands as a black man. “I’ve been shot in the street. You wanna talk about that?” he asked the Berner.

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Black Lives Matter and Bernie or Bust Clash Outside the DNC Convention (Original Post) bravenak Jul 2016 OP
Advantage: BLM. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #1
Yep, this is a surprise to absolutely nobody bravenak Jul 2016 #2
+10 sarae Jul 2016 #34
They are about white privilege rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #61
Word. Quayblue Jul 2016 #35
so silly flamingdem Jul 2016 #3
And what a delightful speech they are missing bravenak Jul 2016 #15
I know who I'd be rooting for RonniePudding Jul 2016 #4
Me too bravenak Jul 2016 #14
The Bernie or Bust group is making themselves irrelevant zz-la Jul 2016 #5
Good. They deserve to be irrelevant. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #6
Agreed! To threaten not to vote for Hillary because their candidate lost zz-la Jul 2016 #9
Yep. Self immolation bravenak Jul 2016 #17
Good. We don't need them relevant. bravenak Jul 2016 #13
Enough is Enough runaway hero Jul 2016 #7
Good BLM is way more important than them rbrnmw Jul 2016 #8
Yep, best to not let privileged children have their way bravenak Jul 2016 #11
as someone that hates DWS DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #10
+1 bravenak Jul 2016 #12
+2016 Person 2713 Jul 2016 #25
YES sarae Jul 2016 #36
Ya that pretty well framed it. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #56
Go BLM!!! unitedwethrive Jul 2016 #16
+1 bravenak Jul 2016 #20
this has happened throughout history , white activists who want blacks and other minorities for the JI7 Jul 2016 #18
It's fucking crazy how they STILL don't see how they LOOK bravenak Jul 2016 #19
they don't give a good damn how they look rbrnmw Jul 2016 #22
They aint gon get a fucking thing for their efforts bravenak Jul 2016 #24
Well, Anti-Hillary = Trump, So... TomCADem Jul 2016 #21
I agree with you bravenak Jul 2016 #23
Did the BoBers sing "We Shall Overcome"? workinclasszero Jul 2016 #26
I know, right? So oppressed. bravenak Jul 2016 #28
hahahahahahahaha workinclasszero Jul 2016 #30
I know who my money is on. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #27
No shit bravenak Jul 2016 #29
Ease up on the ugly stereotypes... MellowDem Jul 2016 #33
nothing ugly about Kale... nt. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #37
actually, I saw this on a live cam on the internet and kale chomping hipsters IS a great description Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #38
It's not... MellowDem Jul 2016 #42
mark my words Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #54
What a strange prediction... MellowDem Jul 2016 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #53
It's like calling progressives Volvo driving latte liberals. It is ugly. nt tblue37 Jul 2016 #62
Skinner calls them "assholes" Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #71
They're not "progessives" in my view--more like "regressives," if you ask me... nt MADem Jul 2016 #72
In many cases they are caricatures of progressives. nt. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #74
I wonder if some of them are doing that deliberately. MADem Jul 2016 #75
LOL fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #57
can we even call them bernie or bust forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #31
Thats what they call themselves, I disagree with their use of his name bravenak Jul 2016 #32
I wondered about JPR's name use myself. fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #59
When you're dead you can't fight back. I agree that it is a mis-appropriation. nt MADem Jul 2016 #73
"They'll be safe Republican voters in 20 years" <<<< try 3 months Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #39
You hit it on the head! They will be safe Republican voters in 20 years. Person 2713 Jul 2016 #68
They lost that one big time. brer cat Jul 2016 #40
Yep. Nobody wants to deal with their bullshit bravenak Jul 2016 #41
They lost me tonight. JRLeft Jul 2016 #47
This shit happens everytime bravenak Jul 2016 #48
No, there were BLM members I'm the B.O.B. I wasn't B.O.B., but I wanted them to continue to apply JRLeft Jul 2016 #51
Wow.. GO #BLM! Thank you, brave! Cha Jul 2016 #43
No one knows the face of privilege people... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #44
Damn straight bravenak Jul 2016 #50
Is there any end to their selfishness? They only wanted to hijack BLM to make their R B Garr Jul 2016 #45
It never ends bravenak Jul 2016 #52
I can't express how disturbing I find this ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #46
I know bravenak Jul 2016 #49
old adage is alive and kicking unfortunately for so many of my fellow PoC Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #55
Judean Peoples Front versus the Peoples Front of Judea. "Fahkin Splittahs" nt pkdu Jul 2016 #58
We took a different route out of Wells Fargo Gothmog Jul 2016 #60
I did find it fairly silly that there were some white, priveleged protestors trying to interrupt NikkiTaMere Jul 2016 #63
BLM protestors star16 Jul 2016 #64
Good on BLM for not allowing themselves to be used. To the extent that BOB'ers ever cared about BLM Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #66
I got shot down here a lot for saying things like this a few months ago . I am glad folks like you Person 2713 Jul 2016 #69
Absolutely, the right thing. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #83
I wonder how many of the people heckling the DNC Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #67
+1 I was just going to post - ' Seattle anybody ? ' Person 2713 Jul 2016 #70
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #76
Calling MIRT Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #77
Holy fuck. Who the hell was that? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #78
A slug crawled out from under a Republican rock. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #79
OK. Got the alert but the jury kicked me out. I'm guessing because they were being shown the Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #80
That was it's second post. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #81
Of all the juries I've served in my almost 15 yrs here. That had to be sickest. So 'congratulations' Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #82
BoB'ers dead-enders will attempt to co-opt anything to further their ONLY cause - HATE Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #84

zz-la

(224 posts)
5. The Bernie or Bust group is making themselves irrelevant
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jul 2016

Everyday that goes by they make themselves look worse and worse. This needs to stop. So ridiculous.

zz-la

(224 posts)
9. Agreed! To threaten not to vote for Hillary because their candidate lost
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jul 2016

That is the mindset of a child.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
10. as someone that hates DWS
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jul 2016

and was happy to see her finally get fired before she tanked yet another election, let me be clear..

YOU BoB types are bastards who do not even CARE that Bernie wanted to take the high road and help keep TRUMP out! You got very angry when race was mentioned, showing that you had no serious desire to talk to people and instead wanted to keep your privileged right to yell at them!

B O B
go
to HELL

and take Jill Stein with you!

Because I know that you will look at my Puerto Rican skin completion and know that you will enjoy advantages over me. You want to fight the power?, than stop thinking that this is some pulp fiction like Tarzan were naturally the natives will follow the white person leader. Gandhi said "how very unlike your Christ you Christians are."

How very unlike Bernie you BoB are. Yes I am happy to see DWS get cleaned out, but rest assured, there is a faction of the far left that does not give a damned if the GOP wins the white house forever that also needs to get washed out!

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
25. +2016
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jul 2016

Bobs are so out of touch plus they will fair well enough in a trump America and don't give a fuck about others

JI7

(89,247 posts)
18. this has happened throughout history , white activists who want blacks and other minorities for the
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:15 PM
Jul 2016

numbers but the minorities are expected to "stay in their place" .

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
21. Well, Anti-Hillary = Trump, So...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jul 2016

...not surprisingly, BLM is not eager to join with the Bernie or Busters. BLMers definitely do not want Trump to win. They just want Hillary to remember their cause, which I can respect.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
28. I know, right? So oppressed.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jul 2016

I bet they start storming the Nordstroms and burning down the Starbucks, lol

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
33. Ease up on the ugly stereotypes...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jul 2016

Lest you sound too much like FR. I find them obnoxious too, but I think the vast majority of "kale chomping hipsters" aren't them.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
38. actually, I saw this on a live cam on the internet and kale chomping hipsters IS a great description
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jul 2016

of those white privilege insulated todgers

they can sod the fuck off

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
42. It's not...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jul 2016

it's just an ugly stereotype descriptor, the exact type that is seen on right wing sites all the time.

Lots of people fit stereotypes, but using those stereotypes to attack people is always wrong, and exactly what the right does all day every day. I've seen people attacking millennials as a group and using the exact same stereotypes that the right wing uses every day to attack a whole group of people.

I can't believe this has to be spelled out... guess people are just that angry that they have to let their inner bigotry come out.

These protesters are obnoxious to me, and definitely come across as naive and privileged, but I don't see what calling them "kale chomping hipsters" has to do with that.

The "kale chomping hipsters" will be among the most consistent supporters of the Democratic Party in the coming election from what I can see.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
54. mark my words
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:18 AM
Jul 2016


will morph into




Couple months back we flew to New York on business for my creative firm (I live in London) and some friends of ours took us out pub hopping in Brooklyn, and in both Night of Joy and duckduck we saw more than a smattering of Trump shirts and especially those fucking "Make America Great Again" hats. The prats who wore them will claim "irony" I am sure, but when they pull a lever in the booth to vote (I doubt most will even bother) I bet the irony leaves and they "white priviledge up" for Trump.

And trust me, those Bernie Bros on the cam tonight trying to go all argy bargy deffo had kale juice on the breath.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
65. What a strange prediction...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:12 AM
Jul 2016

When it comes to referring to young white guys with stereotypes, "hipsters" are seen as insufferably liberal and "bros" as frat guy conservative assholes, so not sure what a "kale chomping hipster bro" is, maybe it's because you're in London, but your anecdote of a bar crawl sounded more like the "bro" stereotype.

But all the polling I've seen shows Trump doing no better among young whites, if not worse, than Romney in 2012, including young white guys, and white guys are his strongest demographic. I don't think they'll be much of a shift from 2012, and if there is, it looks like it would be against Trump.

Response to Grey Lemercier (Reply #38)

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
31. can we even call them bernie or bust
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jul 2016

when bernie just used his superdelegate vote to make Hillary Clinton the Democratic Party nominee

in any case, fuck these people. They'll be safe Republican voters in 20 years.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
32. Thats what they call themselves, I disagree with their use of his name
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jul 2016

Just as I disagre with jpr using a dear departed member of this site's name. Rude

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
59. I wondered about JPR's name use myself.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:41 AM
Jul 2016

I spent some time one day going back and reading his posts. He didn't seem to me like the freeperville-light that stole his handle. Yet it is not surprising that it was done by them either.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
39. "They'll be safe Republican voters in 20 years" <<<< try 3 months
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie Bros are spoilt frat boys who happened to start dating a hippie over 2015 summer vacay

brer cat

(24,560 posts)
40. They lost that one big time.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jul 2016

“This message is not gonna get drowned out. I will not allow it” Yes!!! Those privileged babies need to go drown their sorrows at the nearest Starbucks while those in the know show how democracy works.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
51. No, there were BLM members I'm the B.O.B. I wasn't B.O.B., but I wanted them to continue to apply
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jul 2016

pressure from the outside.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
44. No one knows the face of privilege people...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jul 2016

Looking to serve their own self-interests better than BLM protesters.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
45. Is there any end to their selfishness? They only wanted to hijack BLM to make their
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jul 2016

movement look larger. This is shameful.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
55. old adage is alive and kicking unfortunately for so many of my fellow PoC
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jul 2016

last to be hired, first to be fired

not a damn thing has changed on so many fronts

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
60. We took a different route out of Wells Fargo
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:43 AM
Jul 2016

The secret service agent on the bus wpild not tell us why. This slternative route was strsnge. I suspect the protests played a role

NikkiTaMere

(31 posts)
63. I did find it fairly silly that there were some white, priveleged protestors trying to interrupt
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:04 AM
Jul 2016

Booker by chanting "Black Lives Matter"

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
66. Good on BLM for not allowing themselves to be used. To the extent that BOB'ers ever cared about BLM
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:43 AM
Jul 2016

was helping to create the illusion of black support for the so called "revolution". The BOB'ers will be fine no matter who's in the White House. BLM knows that things can get a lot worse in Trump's vision for America.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
69. I got shot down here a lot for saying things like this a few months ago . I am glad folks like you
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jul 2016

are making the statements now. Enough of us need to tell it like we know it will be . BLM ABSOLUTELY did the right thing .

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
67. I wonder how many of the people heckling the DNC
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jul 2016

screamed like bloody murder when BLM protested in Seattle?

Response to bravenak (Original post)

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
80. OK. Got the alert but the jury kicked me out. I'm guessing because they were being shown the
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jul 2016

door. Wasn't sure if it was a long time poster.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
82. Of all the juries I've served in my almost 15 yrs here. That had to be sickest. So 'congratulations'
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jul 2016

dickhead. Way to go proving you're the "master race".

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
84. BoB'ers dead-enders will attempt to co-opt anything to further their ONLY cause - HATE
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jul 2016

Everything is about them and their selfish little feeeeeeeelings.




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