I think you guys watch way too much MSNBC.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

I rarely watch it but occasionally I tune in, and there's no need to attribute the bubble of thought over there to the greater world.

Listen, I think Rachel Maddow is a smart woman but like many of us, she can overthink things at times.

So it's almost amusing to hear that Bill Clinton's speech is being damned as paternalistic, because honestly no one outside of MSNBC was talking about it that way.

[JSup]

1. MSNBC really seems...

...to be on a mission to divide.

[NatBurner]

7. ok so it's not just me then

i was flipping back and forth between cnn and msnbc (and fox, ugh) on dnc day one, and cnn barely mentioned the bernie or bust people

msnbc, however, sought out the youngest, saddest BoB face in the crowd and handed her a microphone and let her riff for five minutes. she could barely articulate why she was upset

but yeah- its odd to see msnbc attempting to amplify the perception of mass division

[Hortensis]

28. Most cable shows have been muckraking, and overtly

anti-Hillary, for a long time. I record Rachel and now Joy Reed, also often O'Donnell, normally.

Fwiw, I strongly agree with turning virtually all trash TV news and commentary off and leaving it off. I'm only watching MSNBC and CNN now the same way I turn on Fox -- to see how they're covering something, and now for updates on the convention, which I accept going in will typically be very badly slanted.

[bigwillq]

2. The pundits can say what they want

I'm sure some will agree and some won't with what they say. It really doesn't bother me what they say.

[apcalc]

3. The 'power boys' over there are in the tank for Trump.

CNN more fair.

But I'm watching C-span. The talking heads go away, and I can think for myself without predjudicial remarks.

[ailsagirl]

21. ...and with cspan, there are NO commercials n/t

[fleabiscuit]

26. And, they have been showing morning breakfast meetings that I have enjoyed.

[apcalc]

34. There's an idea...

Never thought of tuning in early...

[workinclasszero]

4. It seems like MSNBC

wants to be Fox news lite lately.

Rachel...I don't know what got into her last night but she absolutely hated the beginning of Bill's speech where he was just talking about when he first met Hillary.

How anyone could find that offensive in any way just blows my mind! I just don't get that.

[Pacifist Patriot]

5. I loved it and thought it an incredibly well crafted speech.

It struck all the right chords of describing a woman who may be adored by a man, but sure as hell doesn't need him to accomplish what she's been able to accomplish thus far in her life. I'm not sure how anyone got paternalism out of it. He sure as hell didn't take credit for her work, quite the contrary. And if he's being slammed for including praise of her as a wife and mother in his speech, that's just ridiculous. She's both and way more. Which is exactly what he conveyed.

[workinclasszero]

8. Yes i totally agree with you

It was a great Bill Clinton speech. He peeled off the layer of BS the right wing has painted Hillary with for decades and showed us the real person that has used her whole life to help others.

How this is offensive to Rachel Maddow is a mystery to me.

[southern_belle]

38. +1 n/t

[treestar]

16. So true! Of course she was a girl then!

I was a girl at that age. Can't believe anyone would take it that way. Never occurred to me for a second.

[ExtraGriz]

6. CSPAN for me...

no talking heads, and you can stream it on-line. (cut the cable cord 2 years ago)

[karynnj]

9. As a white woman a few years younger than Clinton, I found her comments weird

From my perspective, Hillary at the beginning of law school was at the cusp of when the word "woman" would replace "girl". In addition, at least from my perspective, the word used could be difference between a friendship and especially a romantic relationship than a professional or work relationship. In particular, the word "girl friend" was very very commonly used -- as was boy friend. Though I never thought of it, "I met a girl" had as its counterpart "I met a guy". Not to mention, Bill is now in his 70s. Looking back, I have heard many people speak of themselves as "kids" referring to the same time frame.

To me, Clinton's speech was very supportive and reminded me why - in spite of any negative personality traits - he was so loved and so persuasive. He did a great job in including enough substantive information on work that HRC did and values she held over the long time they have been together. On those things, which are the most important, as they speak to her values, he made an excellent case. These are important to defining her as a President.

He was less believable in describing his own love and relationship with her because we know that "he brought pain to the marriage" to use his euphemistic phrase. The relationship described sounded more like Jimmy Carter's than Clinton's, but having a perfect marriage has little to do with how good a President you will be. Not to mention, no one really knows the inside of a marriage of public people.

[treestar]

15. Agreed. In this century people over 50 date

and still call the person their girlfriend/boyfriend. It is permissible to think of that person as the young person they fell in love with.

[bigbrother05]

17. Ms. BB05 felt the same way, had no idea where Rachel was coming from

We watched Bill's speech together, she commented that he could always sell anything. Thought it was very humanizing and a reminder of the path HRC has taken to get to this point.

BTW, we were married a few months before they were in '75 and from '85-'97 lived down the road from Hope, Saw first hand how the Clintons operated. Never big fans, but the alternative is unthinkable.

[LiberalFighter]

24. I agree about the girl/woman bit and the time period.

[Paladin]

10. Well stated. Rachel got it wrong, last night. (nt)

[southern_belle]

40. Totally agree

Rachel DID indeed get it wrong.

[DonViejo]

11. I gave up watching the convention on MSNBC and CNN...

I wanted to hear the speeches, not some talking head analyzing what they think someone is doing or going to do. I watch the convention on commercial free tv too; CSPAN

[rjsquirrel]

12. Agreed

Hoping to hear a liberal PoV on a station funded by defense money and dependent on angry old white people (who are the majority of those who watch nearly ALL cable news, not just fox) is pointless. Rachel is useful on women's reproductive health issues and occasionally on corruption issues, but otherwise there is not one voice on that channel (ok, Joy Reid) that I care about.

And Brian Williams is a pompous, blovkating, halfwitted, incurious, blow dried ass.

[workinclasszero]

18. Gotta agree on this

"Hoping to hear a liberal PoV on a station funded by defense money and dependent on angry old white people (who are the majority of those who watch nearly ALL cable news, not just fox) is pointless."

[treestar]

13. +1

And there are so many ways to get the information without getting it filtered through the opinions of talking heads who want influence.

[LiberalFighter]

30. The only way to get news without getting it filtered is when there are no reporters involved.

C-Span or local public tv that just televises the event. The latter mostly when there are local city council meetings.

The print media does not provide the news without a filter.

[treestar]

35. That says a lot about "reporters"

But at least the print media is not yelling at you and putting insinuating tones into he reporting.

[LiberalFighter]

36. Agreed. And to a certain point not repeating the same point over and over.

[Native]

14. Which makes you wonder who they think their target market is?

If we stop watching, and I know for a fact Faux News people will never tune in, who is left?

[workinclasszero]

19. Good question

They are fast alienating their base.

Good luck with that MSNBC?

[Laser102]

20. Nice story of how they met. Then I listen to Rachel and I can't believe the crap coming out of her

mouth. What the hell is wrong with these people? Nothing Clinton will ever be good enough. Bye MSNBC.

[sinkingfeeling]

22. And CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC.

[NCTraveler]

23. I got rid of cable a while back.

Positive life changing move and I miss very little. I do have solid Internet and rabbit ears. I'm amazed at how well rabbit ears work. A lot of that is because I have four locations in range.

[BlueTexasMan]

44. HeyNC

Rabbit ears (external antenna) collects the signal from over the air transmissions. This signal is not compressed. It is superior in quality to cable and satellite. I put a small amplifier on my antenna and got 27 channels on my first try. I live in the boonies in central Texas and many of the channels were in Spanish. My son who lives in town dropped cable and upgraded his internet connection and now streams everything to his tv. This is my first post, hope I didn't bore you!

[NCTraveler]

47. Thanks for sharing no bore at all and I thank you for the insight.

I was pretty uneducated when I hooked them up. I did research the local towers, their distance, and the appropriate antenna for said distances.

At that point I was laughing that the antenna box said HD. I couldn't believe it was truly in HD, the number of channels, and it's consistency in all kinds of weather. No snow in Florida so not sure about that.

Welcome to DU!!!!!

[left-of-center2012]

25. MSNBC is still criticizing Bill this a.m.

Right now there's a discussion on MSNBC that Bill should have mentioned his infidelities and how Hillary was a better wife than he was a husband.
Seriously ?!

[raven mad]

27. Seriously? I couldn't even tell you what channel it's on.

We have rabbit ears, no cable.

I think all the MSM suck, but that's just me.

[vi5]

29. Imagine if all these people spent this much time....

..actually doing something to get candidates elected and get out the vote rather than spending their time watching and worrying about what people on cable news say or fixating on stupid bullshit like this and posting about it on message boards.

But if we lose, of course it won't be any of their fault for not working hard enough for the candidate that they believe it, it will be Rachel Maddow's fault for saying something negative about Bill Clinton or Jill Stein's for getting 1% of the vote, or Bernie supporters for not clapping loudly enough for Hillary or whatever other bullshit outrage of the day is capturing their attention.

[Tatiana]

31. I think people still remember it fondly as a "lean-left" progressive news entity.

Olbermann is gone and MSNBC has gone back to its regular shilling for Republicans and corporations.

[sarae]

32. You're probably right...

I keep going back to MSNBC even though I pretty much always regret it. When will I learn my lesson?

I love Rachel, but I think she was wrong in what she said concerning Bill's speech. It's actually more annoying when you hear this kind of criticism from someone you otherwise like and respect.

Someone posted this a few days ago...let's not forget what MSNBC's new mission is, apparently:

[Peacetrain]

33. Well this is kind of how young love starts.. Its Hillary as the policy maker not Bill

I think when you are working 24/7 as a political wonk..or reporter.. that really has nothing to do with what you want to hear.. and that is just human.. but Bills speech was not supposed to be about policy.. Hillary handles her policy issues and statement.. so I think it was a fine speech for what it was supposed to be.. A spousal speech.. Bill is not going to be President.. he will be First Gentleman..

[geek tragedy]

37. any amount of MSRNC is too much these days nt

[world wide wally]

39. Lawrence O'Donnell is the only one on MSNBC that figh s back with their tilt to the right

I guess that makes the the most liberal news channel of them all

[katmondoo]

42. I use to watch MSNBC exclusively

Liked Rachel, now I am done forever with them. I am seriously considering never again to watch cable news. It was part of my life in the evening now I will have to find another outlet for information.

[usaf-vet]

41. We used to watch MSNBC. We used to watch Rachel.

But a little better than a year ago I thought Rachel was losing her edge. She moved in the repetition stage. The same story line of the night the A block I think they call it. Se would go on and on telling it one way than another than yet another. It got annoying. And insulting. Rachel I GET IT! move on. Finally I have to credit her with pushing me over the edge. The edge that got me to cut the damn cable. No more BS feeds. NO more paying for BS feeds. I believe Rachel hit her peak then moved passed it to the down slope side of the curve.

[lady lib]

43. The ONLY thing they understand is ratings.

Don't give them to them.

C-SPAN is blessedly free of commentary!

[JaneQPublic]

45. The worst on MSNBC is "With All Due Respect."

Mark Halperin and John Heilemann are like Hannity and Colmes but less charismatic, which means they owe charisma.

Halperin puts on his pouty face any time anyone makes an anti-GOP comment. He's such a stalwart Repug defender that he makes Joe Scarborough look like a Bernie Bro.

When MSNBC is not in convention mode, I turn them on reflexively when I come home from work but soon ask myself, "Why the hell am I watching this drivel?!!?"

[unitedwethrive]

48. Agreed!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

46. I sort of think it's funny she's being called a "righty"....

....for taking the far left "I'm so offended" uber feminist position.

I mean you can disagree with her, I sure do, but the reading of what ground she's staking here is funny. Does anyone think she was really taking the position of rich white old men?