2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI attended the Rules Committee meeting here in Philly yesterday.
There was no 'uprising' which was predicted here. There won't be one at our Credentials Meeting today or on the floor of the convention.
We are fully united.
That plane that has been circling the city with the 'End Superdelegates' message was wasting it's time.
They will not be eliminated this week. Or any week.
Donald Trump was once a Democrat.
'nuff said.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Dkc05
(375 posts)Who else
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)What would politics be if the press weren't such muckraking troublemakers, even creating a Trump to pump up viewership and profits?
stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)All I want is a positive, hopeful convention.
dicksmc3
(262 posts)Look I supported Barack Obama and volunteered for him and gave him money because he was the candidate of HOPE and CHANGE. Then when he was given the reigns he told us "Don't worry I got this" yeah he got it alright, we got plenty of HOPE but NO CHANGE to speak of!! He was too busy smoozing Rubes in the House and the Senate to work with him. Too bad he didn't see they weren't interested in anything but obstruction until it was really too late. Hillary is a corporate Dem and I really, really hope she gets away from them and governs like she says she will..... In other words she's talking the talk but can she walk the walk and deliver what she's been campaigning on??? Keep tuned in...
LuvLoogie
(6,913 posts)While you keep waiting for someone to pull your cart
liberalmuse
(18,671 posts)Considering he had a Congress blocking him at every turn. Still, he didn't let that stop him from pushing and succeeding in getting AHA passed, along with many, many other good things. If you want something to complain about, by all means, vote for Drumpf or vote third party. I'm old enough to know that the "all or nothing" mentality takes us back. We need to move forward, even if it's just small steps, because frankly, we absolutely cannot afford to go backwards.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)I'm glad to hear that report to the contrary were completely fabricated!
In the end, we all want Trump defeated and to be UNITED!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,494 posts)Perhaps you mean those that were allowed in are united?
https://twitter.com/amyzworldamy/status/756933944696721408/photo/1
classykaren
(769 posts)Beantighe
(126 posts)"this BIG BLACK GUY..." how spooky that must have been! Sorry, I'm sure she's a rebel and all, but something about that line bothers me. I suppose the writer thought it was relevant somehow.
glowing
(12,233 posts)There really aren't too many people who supported Bernie that I would consider racist or bigoted. They tend to be to farther to the left and normally are standing in protests with many different progressive groups, leading drum circles...
I think people are speculating on someone who was giving a descriptive narrative of what was occurring at the time of the event... And if that is your take away from the entire post or video feeds from the event, then I think content is being lost. Unity should be occurring and this means on both sides; especially in light of the DNC hacked e-mail leaks heading into the convention.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)and then there are 'drum circles,' and then there is real drumming.
What happens at protests are NOT drum circles by any stretch of the imagination. They are a bunch of people hangin' and hitting on things.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Convention Security Officer?
glowing
(12,233 posts)color is bad... Are we supposed to be like Colbert, who was "color blind" on his Comedy Central show for years? There's nothing wrong with diversity if you are a normal person. It's the beauty of America. Now, if it's Trump, yeah, he's a known racist asshat... If you are a normal, regular person, descriptions of one's color or size is just a description... I think she was more intimidated by "big". And I don't know her size... If she's 5' 3" like me, most people are all "big" in comparison. Big size if more intimidating than any color to me. Of course I come from VT and live in FL... I live in a minority, majority state. We tend to use descriptive terms to one another... Some with bigotry in their outlook.... The farther south you go in FL, descriptions of what someone looks like, tend to be descriptions of what someone looks like.
Interesting that she didn't describe "the man who earlier said there were seats".
There was no need to mention the race of the security officer, but no one else.
glowing
(12,233 posts)As well, of course, me too... Better go with "I don't see color" like Colbert, it seems the appropriate response on this thread.
Because the subtext is "big Black man forces sweet little white girl" out of her "rightful" place.
Dog. Whistle.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Whites, including white Hispanics, about 77%. That affects how useful black and white are as identifiers. Just looked it up, and Philly residents are over 36% black, but Pennsylvanians are only about 11%.
Btw, natural redheads are less than 2%, and dye jobs don't leap that all that much. When ISN'T someone with red hair primary described that way?
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts).
Removing description to make things antiseptic and devoid of human life. Neutering the human experience.
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Beantighe
(126 posts)but I lead a drum circle. Of course, it was at a nursing home (the elderly women love it) and not at a protest. I know several Sanders supporters and none of them lead drum circles. The big black guy, now I bet HE could lead a drum circle! </sarcasm>
moriah
(8,311 posts)Many are police, many others are police informants, some are acting on their own.
But it's been happening since Vietnam and has occurred in every major protest movement since. Google and you'll see. It's not unreasonable to question a tweet that feeds racial stereotypes.
glowing
(12,233 posts)have your counter operative... I doubt, though, they want to make delegates appear "riled" up with their program of "unity"... NO, the disrupter's and agitators will be outside the venue... then the media can report on the violent young people who need a beating down.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Does she want people to be "afraid." Sickening. I think she's a Trump troll. Progressives don't talk like that.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,494 posts)I suspect from her description you could figure out who this person is.
I went through months of her stuff. No sign she isn't a Democratic Socialist. There is a DU group and the top host there is a Hillary D: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1024
Be more careful with who you try to implicate.
https://twitter.com/amyzworldamy
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)This is shameful.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)Silly me, I thought the Trump dullards were...
I believe we stand a better chance of winning elections and enacting progressive reforms if we embrace the Left rather than attack them. JMHO.
And it is clear that the center-right of the party has been on the attack over the past 2 years. I think a line has been crossed, and we would all benefit from outreach, and in some cases apologies rather than digging in our heels and pushing allies or potential allies away. This election is going to be closer than many realize, and we'll need all the votes we can get.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Maybe she's another Jim Jarmusch fan
TwilightZone
(25,428 posts)And "big black guy"?
Excuse me while I take this "report" with a massive grain of salt.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Glad I don't live in it.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)people who were not allowed in.....
KMOD
(7,906 posts)A few dozen protestors stormed the lobby screaming open the doors.
Security led them out to prevent overcrowding.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)and why is it being reported here?
still_one
(92,061 posts)skin into the conversation? Looks like Binder has some issues with African Americans to me
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,494 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,494 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,494 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,494 posts)And could probably pick him out based on that. I wouldn't pick a little old lady in a security uniform for sure.
I'm been called Mountain Man, Grizzly Adams, etc on the DU.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,965 posts)Disgusting
onehandle
(51,122 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)What does the color of a person's skin have to do with anything in this regard?
Wonder if Ms. Binder has other issues going on
OnDoutside
(19,948 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)The only thing I question, also of course, in the twitter post is why, Tiffany, "this big black guy?"
If I did Twitter, I would ask her.
Anyway,, thanks again...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)no uprising by members of the committee.
LuvLoogie
(6,913 posts)Have the portapotties been deployed yet?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)A quick scroll down her page shows her hawking the "Clinton Cash" movie.
Not surprised to see her being promoted here. Multiple times, BTW.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)if the End Superdelegates effort was dropped. We need to change that system.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)What can you report on the supposed "expulsion" from the building of Bernie supporters by police?
If you look down at the bottom of this thread, there is a tweet about it.
I suspect that it's just more hype from people who didn't have credentials or some such, and who were trying to barge their way into the meeting room.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Keep them we need to prevent any from verbally committing until the convention.
Justice
(7,185 posts)Thank you for concern.
Logical
(22,457 posts)bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)Keep a Trump-like candidate from the nomination. The GOP needs to consider implementing super delegates.
Logical
(22,457 posts)bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)I wouldn't buy on to that. In my state, the governor participated with Hillary Clinton and President Obama in fundraising over the past year, and there are a lot of practical negative consequences that would come from Banning contact between candidates and superdelegates.
I want super delegates as a line of defense against smooth-talking charlatans. I believe in a party that actually demonstrates leadership as well as reflect the views of its members.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Will Morningstar
(90 posts)malthaussen
(17,175 posts)Weather's brutal right now.
-- Mal
onehandle
(51,122 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
there's now an agreement to reduce the role and power of super-delegates in the future.
That's important. Really important. This is about the integrity and perception of integrity for the Democratic Partynot all about her, not all about him.
So that plane had an effect, Bernie had an effect. Change is suppose to be "incremental" or so I thought.
And DWS will not address the conventionwhich is unprecedented.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)They will not be eliminated this week. Or any week.
Donald Trump was once a Democrat.
If the dark day ever came when the Democratic membership elected an extremist, then all that would be achieved by superdelegates trying to over-ride that choice would be the implosion of the party. You can't ask tens of millions of people for their choice and then tell them they can't have it even though they won. Superdelegates are utterly pointless for the role they are intended for, because they literally can never be used that way without destroying what they supposedly protect.
To stop a future Dem Trump we simply need to understand the needs of working people and ensure our party runs candidates that work hard to meet those needs. It shouldn't be difficult.
Cha
(296,821 posts)glennward
(989 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)It's a room at the Pennsylvania Convention Center, not and auditorium.
I got there early yesterday and today.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)aikoaiko
(34,162 posts)Or at least they need to be constrained.
ismnotwasm
(41,965 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)There will be no minority report on rules. They worked until 2:30 AM to avoid minority report
okasha
(11,573 posts)Imagine that.
Thanks to Gothmog and onehandle for on-site reporting.