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Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:42 AM Jul 2016

Plagiarism may be the least horrible thing that happened on that stage

Egregious as it is, Melania's speech-stealing is not the most newsworthy thing that happened on that stage last night.

Let's look at the big picture, here.

Melania stole a couple of platitudes from Michelle Obama's speech from years back, yes. But also last night a congressman (Steven King R-IA) said on TV that whites have done more for civilization than non-whites. A soap opera actor called the president a muslim. Two different speakers railed against "illegals." The opening prayer referred to Clinton and and Democrats as "the enemy."

The coverage of the speech is sensational, watch-the-birdie kind of stuff for the news cycle, and what we really need to call out is the amazingly overt racism, sexism, homophobia on display last night. That needs to be the real call to arms. Forget the fluff, forget the distractions. The -real things- the people are saying up on that stage are disastrous. They are emboldening racists and fascists throughout the USA, and it's unconscionable that the media is letting them get away with it.

A tweet from someone on my twitter feed today:

https://twitter.com/supership79/status/755384971150430209

I agree she should be called on the carpet for copying so blatantly, but this is a sensational story that the media can plug into the headlines to keep from having an uncomfortable conversation and losing access to the RNC by making their headline "RNC is an openly racist, sexist, and homophobic organization, now." I'll bet when the fact checkers discovered the plagiarism, they all breathed a sigh of relief that they didn't have to report on any of the disgusting things the other speakers spewed constantly all night.

This post has been shamelessly cribbed from some of my other posts on the subject.

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Plagiarism may be the least horrible thing that happened on that stage (Original Post) Saviolo Jul 2016 OP
True, but kcr Jul 2016 #1
Me too. Karma is slapping the GOP upside the head! SunSeeker Jul 2016 #34
Excellent post PJMcK Jul 2016 #2
They've slowly been doing away with dog whistles Saviolo Jul 2016 #4
It's un-American (n/t) PJMcK Jul 2016 #5
Dog whistles out. Foghorn in. kairos12 Jul 2016 #14
Melania's speech certainly allows the media to forget all of the bigotry and craziness yesterday. LonePirate Jul 2016 #3
Actually no, Pat railed against 'militant homosexuals and the radical femist agenda' Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #20
Good post. auntpurl Jul 2016 #6
I can't lie Saviolo Jul 2016 #8
When you are immersed in so much PatSeg Jul 2016 #7
This is in fact a process we see very often Cosmocat Jul 2016 #9
Yeah, it's massively disheartening Saviolo Jul 2016 #10
The problem is Cosmocat Jul 2016 #16
The only thing missing was everyone dressed in Uniforms. Seems most were ready to go POSTAL! Her Sister Jul 2016 #11
Steve King's comment was a Say what????? vegetarian x Jul 2016 #12
100% agree Saviolo Jul 2016 #13
Steve King is a total moron. 3catwoman3 Jul 2016 #15
Another uncovered issue is the Republicans focus on Veterans when Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #17
Very true but the media runs with the most simplistic.... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #18
This was only Day 1, with the D-listers skepticscott Jul 2016 #19
When your rival is ludicrous and outlandish it might be a mistake to insist upon countering Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #21
"Never stop your enemy while they are busy making a mistake" . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #24
But let's not let the "swiftboat" and purple band-aid type stuff be ignored again. maddiemom Jul 2016 #33
And the Rickroll even allowed them a moment of levity. BobTheSubgenius Jul 2016 #22
I made a similar thread but I think I was wrong. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #23
A benefit might be that Ineeda Jul 2016 #28
Totally agree but happily their message is getting lost in the fray. nolabear Jul 2016 #25
Yup. If the media can't pay proper attention to the blatant racism, homophobia, AllyCat Jul 2016 #26
Agreed. What occurred on that stage was scary. The carnival barkers Enoki33 Jul 2016 #27
A bigger picture mentioned by caller on T. Hartmann: the big lie Ilsa Jul 2016 #29
Leslie Moonves on Donald Trump: "It May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS" HepKitty416 Jul 2016 #30
“You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” – William Randolph Hearst, January 25, 1898 Saviolo Jul 2016 #36
Great (awful) quote. Chilling. n/t HepKitty416 Jul 2016 #37
It was basically non-stop hate, fear and exploitation of people who'd lost family members. Chakab Jul 2016 #31
Personally, I couldn't get past Baio being a speaker after he shared his favorite meme (nsfw) Rose Siding Jul 2016 #35
Republicans always do this bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #32
It was the best thing, a resounding endorsement of Obama values! L. Coyote Jul 2016 #38

kcr

(15,315 posts)
1. True, but
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jul 2016

The GOP is just frothing at the mouth right now because they wanted the story to be Benghazi!!!!! And it isn't. I can't help but laugh at this debacle and feel joy at their pain over this.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
2. Excellent post
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jul 2016

You're exactly right, Saviolo. The real issues that need to be addressed are once again over-shadowed by the shiny object over there. Who really cares about the candidate's wife's speech? It's fluff although I am wonderfully amused that Mrs. Trump quoted Mrs. Obama, wife of the hated Muslim/Kenyan.

You wrote a great line: "RNC is an openly racist, sexist, and homophobic organization, now." The Republican Party's platform and almost all of its members are horrific, regressive and un-American. That's what the country needs to be talking about. Add to that the fact that Donald Trump is an idiot.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
4. They've slowly been doing away with dog whistles
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jul 2016

Over the past 8 years, gradually weaning the media off the need for them, and now they've just got it all laid out on the table. The RNC is officially the party of "I've got mine" and to hell with anyone else who feels like they need a chance or help or a better life.

The platform they revealed is horrific. Doing away with LGBTQ rights. Doing away with women's rights. Doing away with national parks. It's a complete disaster.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
3. Melania's speech certainly allows the media to forget all of the bigotry and craziness yesterday.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jul 2016

Pat Buchanan's notorious convention from the 90s almost seems like something you would hear from hippies at a commune when compared to the bile spewed yesterday from the GOP convention.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. Actually no, Pat railed against 'militant homosexuals and the radical femist agenda'
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jul 2016

just to clear his throat. It was extremely comparable to that which they are now spouting. It was nothing like anything any hippie would say.

Pat:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/patrickbuchanan1992rnc.htm

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
6. Good post.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jul 2016

I have shamelessly enjoyed the plagiarism story, but you are absolutely right; the larger story is how regressive, bigoted, and hateful the entire Republican party has become. Trump is just the frothing id, but the rest of the party agrees with most of what he says, they just don't want him to say it out loud.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
8. I can't lie
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jul 2016

I've enjoyed a bit of schadenfreude about it, too. It's pretty funny, I just wish it had been a side bar instead of the headline.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
7. When you are immersed in so much
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jul 2016

hate, bigotry, and faux patriotism in one place, it is easy to overlook the very obvious. As you pointed out in a comment, they don't even bother with dog whistles anymore.

Excellent post.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
9. This is in fact a process we see very often
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jul 2016

in politics specifically, but in the public spectrum generally.

We see this all the time with politicians who are real scumbags but keep getting away with it, and then one seemingly benign thing happens and everyone goes apeshit, well beyond what would seemingly be attached to it, but it really everything folding in at once.

Roger Goodell is an example. He did a LOT of dirt for the NFL, literally burning the spygate videos, and repeatedly acted in favor or certain owners and teams, and the media just kept breathlessly saying how great he was.

Then, because he had gotten away with so much shit, he did the dirt for Baltimore with Ray Rice, and it just completely blew up on him. Nothing he did there was different than what he had done countless other times. It just was one times too many, there ended up being the video and everyone went apeshit.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
10. Yeah, it's massively disheartening
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jul 2016

You see it over and over and over again, and I'm just so frustrated with it. I do feel the need to call it out when I see it now.

The plagiarism has so much attention because it's funny, yes, but we can't keep watching the birdie while the RNC is over there setting the world on fire.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
16. The problem is
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jul 2016

the whole day was on abhorrent hatefest, just totally despicable.

But, had some dolt not ripped those pargraphs, the media would note some of the delegate stuff, but outside of that saying how WONDERFUL her speech was all the vile ass shit that was said and done would have gone completely unreported, and it would have been made out to be a successful day.

Sadly, we have to be happy this shit fest hit.

vegetarian x

(150 posts)
12. Steve King's comment was a Say what?????
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jul 2016

Thank you for cutting to the chase. I think they threw Melania in there to bat clean-up so we'd forget all the poison that preceded it.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
13. 100% agree
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jul 2016

It's too uncomfortable for the media to have that conversation about how they've been enabling these people for years now.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
17. Another uncovered issue is the Republicans focus on Veterans when
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jul 2016

they were the ones who voted to cut VA funding DURING A WAR!!!

How do they have any support from Veterans?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. Very true but the media runs with the most simplistic....
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

And least nefarious story. They aren't going to call out their racism and bigotry. That would damage their party as a whole and the media is desperate for a horse race. Trumps wife is more about media sensationalism.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
19. This was only Day 1, with the D-listers
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jul 2016

There'll be plenty more ugly and hateful shit to come. Trump alone is a shit fountain.

Let's milk this while we can.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. When your rival is ludicrous and outlandish it might be a mistake to insist upon countering
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jul 2016

that rival only with reason and straight faced priorities.
"Forget about rhetoric because Hitler and Mussolini are just as good at rhetoric but if we can bring these people down with comedy they stand no chance." Mel Brooks.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
33. But let's not let the "swiftboat" and purple band-aid type stuff be ignored again.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jul 2016

Taking the high road doesn't mean you shouldn't defend yourself and just let the lies go unchallenged. Already only the first night and the Benghazi stuff was already flying with no sign the debunking ( "given the order to stand down"...full stop right there)had ever occurred, just as if Hillary's exhausting bout before congress never happened. I couldn't believe the exploitation of Ms. Smith, who obviously has not even reached much beyond the second stage of grieving. I don't believe Rudy had the nerve to "go there" and so viciously. We all KNOW the Democrats won't stoop anywhere near those depths. Instant Rebuttal is another thing.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,994 posts)
23. I made a similar thread but I think I was wrong.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jul 2016

I agree with the main thesis to keep focus on the racism, bigotry, and lunatic ideas.

But I was wrong to suggest not trying to make the speech story go viral. It went viral and then some. Then it developed legs when the Trump campaign threw Melania under the bus by saying she lied about writing it herself and the speech was actually written by a team of writers. Also Preibus said "the writer" should be fired. So by calling it a "team" no one person has to take the fall.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512263132

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
28. A benefit might be that
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

tRump might be so outraged by the "attack" on his most--amazingly-beautiful-and-smart-really-really-smart wife, he'll go ballistic - in public. I don't think he'll be able to resist.
Regarding all the other outrageous stuff from yesterday -- I saw Chachi being interviewed by Tamron Hall a little while ago, and my dawg is he a piece of filth. Claimed to have written his speech in church. Tamron showed a tweet from him showing Clinton blocking a letter of a sign above her, leaving the word C*UNT, and asked him if he sent that from church. Of course he launched into deflective and anti-Obama mode. And so on. If I can find the clip, I'll post it.
Article and clip as follows:
http://theweek.com/speedreads/636982/watch-tamron-hall-hold-scott-baio-accountable-sexist-memes-epic-interview

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
25. Totally agree but happily their message is getting lost in the fray.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jul 2016

If they play it right the DNC will look like America, and this will look like...well, Trump.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
26. Yup. If the media can't pay proper attention to the blatant racism, homophobia,
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jul 2016

misogyny, and hatred that was spewed from this event, we are in for a world of trouble if this is the only thing they will go after.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
27. Agreed. What occurred on that stage was scary. The carnival barkers
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jul 2016

were peddling fear, hate and outright lies. Seemed like a page from Goebbel's playbook. On the matter of plagiarism - They are accustomed to ripping off millions of dollars from unsuspecting people, do you think the 'royal' Trump family is going to care one hell of a lot for a few stolen words?
Interesting that David Frum would say the words had to be plagiarized as they are all the opposite of what Trump himself really is!

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
29. A bigger picture mentioned by caller on T. Hartmann: the big lie
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jul 2016

about her credentials. She's lied about having a university degree in Design & Architecture, when she attended U for only one year. Lying about higher education and now plagiarism, even a tiny bit of plagiarism, shows what we are dealing with here: a pair of liars and at least one, maybe two, narcissists.

But I'm sure the rnc is so proud.

 

HepKitty416

(10 posts)
30. Leslie Moonves on Donald Trump: "It May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS"
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464

We don't matter. Our government is capitalism, not democracy.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
36. “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” – William Randolph Hearst, January 25, 1898
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jul 2016

Yellow journalism at its worst.

It's all about moving units, and getting eyeballs for advertisers.

Reminds me of my favourite of Brosnan's Bond films, Tomorrow Never Dies, Jonathan Pryce as a media mogul starting a war for ratings.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
31. It was basically non-stop hate, fear and exploitation of people who'd lost family members.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jul 2016

The most telling part of the evening for me that Sherriff Clarke, who's only notable for viciously attacking the rest of black America and blaming the entire black population of the US from coast to coast for the historic poor relationship with the police, got a massive standing ovation when he the podium before he even said a word.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
35. Personally, I couldn't get past Baio being a speaker after he shared his favorite meme (nsfw)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jul 2016

Then he fell into that certified repub brand of "personal responsibility"

https://twitter.com/ScottBaio/status/754552913842679808

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
32. Republicans always do this
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jul 2016

they throw out this obvious lightning rod to attract energy, we
get all hot and bothered and rant and rave

Democrat's energy is spent at that point.

Then the rest of the issues go under the radar

They've been doing this since the "Barney fag" flap by Dick Armey

It's hard to keep up a level of outrage

unless you fake it like they did last night

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
38. It was the best thing, a resounding endorsement of Obama values!
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jul 2016

Resounding over and over an over again on Twitter, that's for sure

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