WaPo: "Bernie Sanders just gave an amazingly condescending interview about Hillary Clinton"

[EffieBlack]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/28/bernie-sanders-just-gave-an-amazingly-condescending-interview-about-hillary-clinton/

The Fix
Bernie Sanders just gave an amazingly condescending interview about Hillary Clinton

By Chris Cillizza June 28 at 2:13 PM

The Democratic presidential primaries ended two weeks ago today. Bernie Sanders is still kind of, sort of running for the nomination, despite the fact he has lost -- by every possible metric -- to Hillary Clinton.

Clinton and her campaign have been generally fine with all of this, pivoting to the general election and assuming the Sanders thing would work itself out.

That approach may change after the interview Sanders gave to MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell on Tuesday. It was by turns baffling and surreal. But, most of all, it was remarkably condescending.

[cosmicone]

1. Still talking down to her .... n/t

[NYC Liberal]

5. A very nasty, bitter interview.

It's actually sad, I think.

[riversedge]

59. Andrea asked if he shares the praise that Eliz Warren gave her yesterday-Sanders ignored

the question completely in his response. (at the very beginning of the interview). He could not give Hillary a single nice word--just ignored the question (Andrea had showed a clip of the rally yesterday in Ohio). It was just rude.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. Bernie prolly has hard feelins ova the way Hillary treated him, but he must get past that & make certain that asswipe tRump gets nowhere near the White House.

[woolldog]

129. I thought she treated him with kid gloves

During the primary. I don't get why he'd have hard feelings.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

137. It really doesn't matter at this point... what matters is that fuckwad tRump gets his racist ass handed to him come November.

[Maru Kitteh]

157. She did everything but put a mint on his pillow and leave milk & cookies

Don't have a clue what hurt his feels. He should do the adult thing, the grace thing, the sportsmanship thing and set a good example by moving the hell on already.

[Hekate]

224. Yes, yes she did. And he should.

[Cha]

144. Ha! good on Andrea for showing the clip of Elizabeth and Hillary from yesterday!

Mahalo, rivers~



Walk away~ http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107171459#top

[Night Watchman]

239. Here's the Video

Hillary should give this self-important fool nothing, either before or during the convention! Any concessions already made should be revoked! AND NO PRIME-TIME SPEECH!

[Human101948]

2. As many of Hillary's supporters have noted, the Washington Post can't be trusted...

Nowadays it should be treated as a right wing source.

[EffieBlack]

6. Do you have any evidence the Sanders was misquoted in this piece?

If not, I don't understand your point since the story is based on his own words.

[Adrahil]

24. I saw the interview live. The WaPo piece is factually correct.

I'll leave to each individual to determine what they think of the analysis.

[LongtimeAZDem]

46. I agree with you, but you're right, people should watch it themselves

Sanders-Mitchell interview

To me, it seems like he barely acknowledges that there was a primary election.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

85. Always said The Washington Post is a RW trash publication.

[MariaThinks]

3. bernie is no longer relevant by his own hand.

[cosmicone]

17. That made me think of something entirely different

[MariaThinks]

33. stop it

[LongtimeAZDem]

48. I disagree; he's still pulling for us (nt)

[msanthrope]

67. I think the accusation is that he's tooting his own horn. nt

[MariaThinks]

74. Warren is. Bernie is not

he's asking for money from poor people so he can walk in like an emperor at the convention

[LongtimeAZDem]

76. It was a pun, bsed on cosmicone's reponse to your post

Sorry

[MariaThinks]

82. that was funny. Sorry i missed it

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

86. You're kiddin right?

[Svafa]

207. I haven't gotten a donation request email from him since the end of May.

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He's not seeking donations. He doesn't want to walk in like an "emperor." He wants the DNC to realize that, while he lost, he still received quite a few votes and has millions of supporters. He wants to use that leverage to shape the party platform at the convention. He cares more about the future of the party (and the country) than he does about his own campaign--he wants to make sure that the DNC adopts some truly progressives policies in its platform, Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

91. How is "pulling a Nader" pulling for us?

If anyone would have told me a year ago that I would be thoroughly disgusted with Bernie Sanders I would have laughed in their face.

[MariaThinks]

223. he is pulling a nader and feels entitled

[bravenak]

4. This part right here:

The contrast is remarkable: Sanders as white knight operating from conviction and righteousness, Clinton as craven politician doing and saying whatever it takes to win.

I can only imagine the reaction in Clinton headquarters watching that Sanders interview. (I would pay money to watch Clinton's reaction when/if she is shown it.)

The Clinton team has been willing to allow Sanders his extended time in the limelight mostly because (a) they don't think it hurts her in any measurable way for the fall campaign, and (b) they don't want to anger his backers unnecessarily.

But, Sanders's condescension toward and dismissiveness of Clinton in the Mitchell interview was striking. It's hard for me to imagine Clinton, her allies and the broader Democratic Party remain as accepting of Sanders's continued candidacy if he keeps up anything like that sort of rhetoric.

Shows that this was how it was going to be regardless. I am happy with the results of the primary and just do not understand how a person can go about life thinking that they are the sole possesor of integrity in the universe. I have no idea what he hopes to get from this.

[LongtimeAZDem]

7. +1 (nt)

[MaggieD]

120. +1

[bettyellen]

128. Yeah he gives himself a ton of credit doesn't he? It's interesting that he doesn't realize she

Needs Obama more than she needs him. Much more.

[eastwestdem]

210. He also doesn't realize that he can claim moral superiority all he wants, but his actions

tell an entirely different story, and the longer this goes on will be the way he is remembered.

[bettyellen]

218. Yeah it's like the claim he is better on choice- for having an opinion no one shares....

And that he will do absolutely jack shit about. People laid him for that- just not anyone who has actually worked to preserve choice.

[Eric J in MN]

149. You quote the characterization of Sanders' words

...because Sanders' actual words are great.

[Maru Kitteh]

158. what "great" words about Hillary did he say in this interview?

[Eric J in MN]

159. None because Bernie Sanders isn't a Clinton surrogate.

Sanders is a representative of millions of people who are to the left of Clinton and want her to move left.

[Armstead]

173. He told the damn truth

It's up to Clinton to prove she supports working people and the middle class on those issues.

Bernie getting up on stage and gushing about how "wonderful" she is aint going to do it.

And if she is insincere, or papers over those issues, that's on her.

That's just a basic FACT.

[AgadorSparticus]

191. It is not great. You missed it. It shows his weakness.

[brer cat]

165. I agree.

He comes across as very sanctimonious and that is a high horse to fall from. I cannot see any positive outcome from this attitude of his.

[pandr32]

202. +1 from me, too

[MohRokTah]

8. At this point, the only choice is to lock him out of the convention.

Not even a second on stage.

[Goblinmonger]

22. That should work out well for party unity.

[Adrahil]

27. At what point does his refusal to accept the party nominee...

... constitute his obstruction to party unity?

He lost. He deserves some respect and consideration, but at some point he has to acknowledge he lost and lots of people voted for the other candidate and HER platform. Does he actually give a crap about the voice of THOSE people?

[Adrahil]

36. Oh c'mon....

If he's gonna play that game, he loses all respect, AFAIC. He LOST. By a LOT. He's already acknowledging that he will vote for her in November. He KNOWS he's lost. He's just trying to leverage whatever political clout he THINKS he has left. The irony is that being so damned stubborn, he's losing whatever clout he might have had by being a gracious loser. Now he just looks like a sore loser who refuses to acknowledge he lost.

[Goblinmonger]

43. Oh, no, a politician is trying to leverage clout?

Oh, the humanity!

Seriously? You do know that he ran less for this specific election and more for a movement, right? Why would you think he wouldn't use whatever clout he has to try and make the platform include some of what he was pushing for?

When he formally loses, I'm sure he will acknowledge he lost.

[Maru Kitteh]

160. He's already formally lost. The nomination is just the medal ceremony

after all the events are done. A nice ribbon, everybody takes some pictures, and the attention turns to the next race.

Nobody is sitting around thinking the first place finisher in the sprint competition hasn't "formally won" yet. Like "ooooo' Maybe they'll give it to the person who was way behind the first place finisher! How could we know? They haven't had the medal ceremony yet.

[Adrahil]

184. His call, of course, but he's losing clout daily.

I think he's making a pretty YUGE mistake.

[Svafa]

213. Nailed it.

It's amazing how myopic a view so many seem to have.

[MaggieD]

121. Exactly

[KMOD]

49. No. He can not win.

No matter what metric you use, Hillary beat him by large margins. You can take away the Super Delegates and she still beats him by a large margin.

I don't know why he can't let go of this, but it's making him look very bad.

[cherokeeprogressive]

60. And Hillary has not yet, by the rules, won.

[KMOD]

62. It's inevitable.

Just like after Hillary (hopefully) wins in November, we won't need to wait until the inauguration to understand that she will be the next President.

[cherokeeprogressive]

65. That's fine.

[GulfCoast66]

171. Keep telling yourself that.

[cherokeeprogressive]

181. I don't need to. I'm not the one obsessed with Bernie Sanders and his daily actions/interviews.

Just look at the length of this thread. My goodness.

[Adrahil]

185. Yes, and there's not enough evidence to establish Anthropogenic Climate Change.

This borders of the ludicrous. It's like calculating your grade in a class, but you have't REALLY failed until you actually receive the report card with the "F" on it.

This is what some of of us mean by when we say want a reality-based platform. We need to recognize when and where to expend energies, and when and where to expend political capital. Bernie is spending every dime of his political capital right now.

[cherokeeprogressive]

197. I really don't understand the Bernie obsession.

I actually thought the Bernie posts would have disappeared by now.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

88. Technically, Bernie is still in the running, but practically speaking, he needs to get behind the presumptive nominee.

[Armstead]

175. Who says he is not accepting her as the nominee

He's not going out and mouthing a bunch of empty platitudes about how Clinton has been a fighter all her life and how she is the kindest most wonderful person he's ever encountered.

If he did, it would be obviously phony.

If he makes clear that Trump is unacceptable, and Clinton is a much better alternative, that's the best he can do.

But he is -- and should -- hold the feet of the Democratic Party to actually stand up on issues he has been raising, and not just sweep them under the rug of nicey-nicey.

If not, we continue down the primrose path to perdition and servitude to Big Money and Big Power.

[AgadorSparticus]

193. This is not the way to do it. He will get no where as an outsider

Pushing his agenda on the democratic party.

[Armstead]

221. Won't get anywhere as a sycophant, that 's for sure

[MohRokTah]

29. The remaining holdouts will never come over any way

Move to the right and pick up more anti-Trump Republicans.

Sanders has now left the party no other choice, his entire movement must now be rejected completely.

[Goblinmonger]

34. At least you are honest about the upcoming pivot to the right

You know there is a whole thread about how Clinton is the biggest progressive ever. You might want to go tell them that that is a bad thing for your election plan.

For me, I think it is sad that my party continues to pivot to the right. YMMV.

[MohRokTah]

47. It's Sanders' fault that we now have to. eom

[Goblinmonger]

51. That's one of the silliest things I have read in quite some time.

[MohRokTah]

58. Then your sense of silly is out of kilter

Sanders is the one who refuses to concede and endorse, so he leaves no choice but for the party to completely reject him at all levels.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

101. I agree. If Hiilary cannot win over that 8%, she has to go elsewhere to moderates. It's a shame

because if she could get that 8%, she wouldn't need to do that. At some point, she will have to give up on them.

[LoverOfLiberty]

104. Sanders does not seem to want

party unity.

[Native]

124. I second that. Btw - he still lists himself as an Independent on his FB page (Senator Sanders).

[Armstead]

179. If "unity" means blind obedience and only one opinion ever allowed....

I don't want it either...nor do millions of others.

That's a dictatorship not a democracy.

[LoverOfLiberty]

205. I don't believe I said

or alluded to that.

[Svafa]

214. +1

[realmirage]

9. He's just saying things he's said before, but Washington Post loves starting drama

I really can't stand the Washington Post anymore. They're turning into the Enquirer.

[EffieBlack]

11. He may have said these things when he was in a contest w/Clinton. But the primary's over and he lost

His saying these things now is rather obnoxious given the position he's in at this point.

[realmirage]

32. We all know he's doing political theater to get leverage over the convention.

I'm fine with it. The polls show his supporters are already moving to Hillary in droves, much more than the PUMAs did for Obama in 08. I don't see any harm in what he's doing, and I think Hillary is handling it the right way. She's sees the polls, knows she has the nomination, and after the convention the last remnants of the primary will be gone and we'll unite to shred trump.

[Eric J in MN]

151. Sanders' appeal is his consistency.

If he stopped advocating the things he believes in that would get millions of millennial to disengage from politics.

[still_one]

12. It has gotten worse since Jeff Bezos took over

[840high]

37. Enquirer is better.

[Eric J in MN]

150. Exactly. The WaPo churns out anti-Sanders garbage. NT

NT

[DonViejo]

164. Chris Cillizza, an OP-Ed columnist, is the author of the column...

not the Washington Post

[mcar]

226. And Cillizza hates HRC

[arcane1]

10. The same writer who invented "Mad Bitch Beer" for Hillary?

[EffieBlack]

13. Yes, attack the source instead of addressing what Sanders said.

This story is based on exact quotes. And his comments are very questionable, no matter how anyone tries to spin them or deflect attention to other people ...

[arcane1]

16. Yes, and the writer attaches his own meaning to them. It's his opinion. He's attacking the source nt

[Armstead]

182. No he raised valid issues that needed to be raised

Those issues don't disappear just because the primary is over.

They won't disappear when the general election is over either.

All Sanders is saying in that interview is that as the nominee it is Clinton's job to persuade voters she is on their side. He can't do that. It's up to her.

I don't see a damn thing wrong with saying that, because it's the simple truth.

[arcane1]

201. Truths are no longer good things, apparently n/t

[LongtimeAZDem]

57. And the story provided a link to the original interview (nt)

[CrowCityDem]

14. There's a definite sense of entitlement in his tone. He truly doesn't get that he lost.

[Gothmog]

139. Agreed

[Buzz cook]

15. "Clinton and her campaign have been generally fine with all of this.."

I think we should take a page from Clinton's book on thins.

Stop picking at that thing you'll only make it worse.

[LenaBaby61]

18. Bernie for me=

Hate having to put him on TOTAL ignore but given how he won't stop talking etc.

[rateyes]

19. How is this for condescension?

Cilizza can fuck off. Democrats really need to quit pissing off the base.

[whistler162]

38. Well since he doesn't kowtow he is

condescending!
Reading the Sen. Sanders comments, to be blunt, the Senator is correct.

[rateyes]

41. Yes, he is!

[LuvLoogie]

55. The base voted for Hillary.

[rateyes]

66. Uh huh. Ok.

[TwilightZone]

115. The base voted for Clinton 64/35

Nearly 2:1.

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/

[Armstead]

186. Total votes according to the were 15.5M to 12.8M not 2 to 1

She may have done better with pre-registered Democrats, but the "base" is much bigger and broader, unless you consider the Democratic Party an exclusive club.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

127. That 8% is not the base. They are in the left margin. The base is minorities, the gblt, women.

Maybe some used to be a part of the base but they dropped out.

[Hokie]

20. I am to the point I don't care is Sanders speaks at the convention or not

I have never seen a someone not a Republican so full of himself. It's time to decide if you are going to get the fuck to work or get out of the fucking way. Bernie is starting to get in the fucking way with his it's all about me crap.

[JRLeft]

42. Read the Gawd Damn interview, it wasn't condescending.

The corporate media wants to demonize progressivism.

[spooky3]

84. Chris Cilizza has never been a Clinton fan.

Check out his prior columns, if you don't believe me.

[Gothmog]

140. That interview was incredibly condescending

Sanders lost the primary process and his endorsement is less and less necessary every day

[Eric J in MN]

153. Bingo. Sanders says the same things as in his stump speech

...and Chris Cillizza gets paid to be treat it as shocking, offensive news.

[uponit7771]

169. Which proves the articles point; the primary contest is over and "demands" by someone who has

... not even a following (seeing Sanders supporters are flocking to Clinton faster than Clinton supporters flocked to Obama in 08) and lost by millions of vote.

[MaggieD]

123. +1

[Cha]

145. +1!!

Thank you, Hokie~

[Tal Vez]

21. I'm sure that Sanders will come around soon.

The Democratic Party needs people like him. We need people whose egos will permit them to participate as part of a team.

Ego-tripping connoisseurs who cannot permit themselves to ever appear to be satisfied with anything are of no help to anyone. Their interest is always the same - to convince everyone else that they are more ideologically pure and more spiritually advanced than anyone else living. They cannot and will not be satisfied. If anyone wants an example of that kind of person, look at Alan Keyes and what he's done to the Republican Party.

Sanders is a professional politician with many years of experience. He knows the importance of unity. The platform will take care of itself. Clinton and her political experts are designing a campaign to win in November. There shouldn't be anything in the platform that she thinks will make her campaign more difficult to win. Sanders understands that.

After Clinton wins, we can take a look at the makeup of the legislature and start pushing doable things that are in our wish lists. But, first, let's win in November.

If anyone wants an example of the kind of people that we do need, look at Elizabeth Warren and what she's doing. She's a total winner. And, it's because she places the interests of others ahead of her own ego.

[Goblinmonger]

25. That's a whole hell of a lot of poetic license by Cillizza

Seems many are gobbling it up because they want to.

[whistler162]

40. Reading between the lines Cillizza

supports Trump. But that is just me reading between the lines.

[Eric J in MN]

154. Chris Cillizza taking offense because he's paid to

..by anti-Sanders WaPo editors.

[HERVEPA]

28. Bullshit. Nothing wrong with those quotes in the article.

And yes I am certainly voting for Hillary.

[uponit7771]

102. I disagree, he's placing the onus on Clinton to make sure he plays his part as if he ...

... wasn't part of the team.

Sanders supporters have flocked to Clinton at twice the rate of Clinton to Obama in 08...

His backing is statistically gone

[Armstead]

187. Careful how you characterize that....

"flocking to" Clnton.

No...... many are like me. I'll grudgingly vote for her because the alternative Trump/GOP is so awful.

But that is NOT "flocking to her" by any stretch of the imagination.

[uponit7771]

198. Most are not though, the "flocking" is such because of the rate relative to 08... not even close

... she's got a shorter path to capture 95% than Obama had and he won

[glowing]

189. Do you think just because they will vote for Clinton over Trump,

that anyone who supported Bernie wants those ideas to go away?

It's not typically Democrats that any Democratic nominee needs to court, likewise, it's not Republicans that Republicans court during the general election. It's the 43% that now make up "independent", which can mean people who used to be Republican, but can't stand their overt racism OR disagree with them on never ending wars and "nation building" interference in other countries. The other portion of Independent are even more to the left of this Corporate- Democratic Party.

And many, many, many new voters don't identify with either party (especially, the younger generations 40/45 and younger). Neither parties are addressing reality of living in a globalized Oligarchy that absolutely refuses to address the biggest issue for now and into our future in regards to climate change. They also refuse to address the issue of "capitalism", if you can even call it that, where the very wealthy are so extremely powerful, they make life a living hell for the 99%... Or maybe the bottom 90%.

We absolutely need voices to stand up and challenge the status quo. To continue the revolution. To push for the changes we need NOW!

[uponit7771]

199. I hope not, that's why they'll put their energy were it technically counts other than the office

... of the president.

If not it was all just an angry do nothing movement

[glowing]

208. This is why I don't understand the pushback?

She won, he lost, Fuck You! Well, without those popular ideas that many Drmocrats and Independents liked, we continue to choke down establishment bullshit that only works for a handful of people. Look at gun regulation. Money in politics is so powerful, the Republicans won't wven allow a vote on denying those on a "no fly list" to buy weapons OR to increase background checks to include gun shows.

Quite honestly, the first woman President should be helping to foster a moment of peace, universal healthcare (and I don't mean this sick perversion of the ACA straight from the Heritage Foundation), increasing access to education, increasing access for safe affordable housing, increasing environmental standards, increasing minimum wages so that women (who tend to have to work as shitty jobs) can take care of their families, having paid maternity and paternity leave, mandating paid vacation time... The fact that Bernie, a man, is more pro-Feminist, than the first woman nominee of Dem Party is simply mind numbing... And then to see so many people say, "nah, nah, we won, sit down, shut up, we don't want those good things, we want more fracking, we want shitty wages, we want money in politics, we want crappy health care, we want poisoned water, we want to keep shipping jobs overseas and opening up more H-1b visas so people can train cheaper workers to do their job before they are fired. Nah, nah".

Seriously, is this Dem Underground or freaking Somalia is Grand, let's continue emulating that country.

[uponit7771]

216. Push back is from people who just don't believe he was the guy to bring all that ...

... and Clinton isn't Satan's daughter and relative to experience and character she was the best choice.

That being he shouldn't be focusing his energy in making demands on the person who won.

FOR ME and a lot of PoC it was his character and credibility which .. by the way, he's proving us correct as I type.. cause of his focus of energy being on the dems vs tRump

If for instance Sanders fought for a strong congress in the past I'd believe he was going to keep it real but he's going after making a deal with the president ...which the office of the president was never designed to be the strongest office its congress... and specifically the house because if the house is 90% dem the speaker becomes the strongest legislator due to the veto override ability.

FDR had an 80% congress, no need to veto anything from the dem speaker because it was going to pass... FDR had no choice but to be far left.

Instead of focusing energy on the POTUS focus where it belongs... on congress... but that's not what he's doing

People want what you outlined and none of the negative, which I don't think Clinton is going to bring about most of that.

[JRLeft]

35. There was nothing condescending in that interview but the writer of the article

telling you it is makes people believe he was being condescending. SMFH.

[LongtimeAZDem]

64. I didn't take the author's word for it, I watched the interview myself. I agree withthe author

that it was condescending and dismissive.

[liberalmuse]

39. To be honest, he's losing me.

I was so determined not to vote if he wasn't the nominee, but after much thought, I've come to the conclusion that this is too important to sit out. I've been more than a bit disappointed lately. Ego is a powerful thing, and I'm old enough (and disillusioned enough) to have seen this more times than I want to remember.

[ThinkCritically]

50. Seen what? The media spin?

Me too. If you think Bernie is any different today than he was on June 6th before AP screwed him over, then I don't know what to tell you. He is just a man who doesn't go against his morals and that does include not supporting someone like Hillary Clinton who has taken millions from the financial sector. She is the opposite of a Bernie Sanders. Hell, she is the opposite of Elizabeth Warren which is why it was stunning to see EW go the route she did. Maybe she is naive or maybe she is using her position to push for Bernie's platform later. Who knows.

[Buzz cook]

44. On second look this is a bit of rat fuckery

Here's the Mitchell interview
http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell

In it Sanders is very approving of most of the platform with only reservations about the TPP. It is clear that he is waiting for the convention to endorse.
He closes with some of the boiler plate from his stump speech.

Chris Cillizza on the other hand seems to have an unhealthy obsession with the email (non) scandal.
https://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/09/25/50-headlines-that-reveal-wash-post-reporter-chr/205765

Given that part of the conservative strategy is to spread discord between Hillary and Sanders supporters, taking a negative spin on that interview is par for the course.

[pokerfan]

111. This is just WaPo stirring the shit

like they did with the whole not qualified affair...

[jamese777]

52. From Yesterday's Washington Post:

"Donald Trump’s bad month just got worse, because Sanders backers just rallied to Clinton"

Donald Trump would like for Bernie Sanders supporters to ditch the Democratic Party and support him. There is very little evidence that they will do that, mind you, but it's certainly possible that they might just stay home — which would help Trump.

Well, we have some bad news for the Trump campaign. Sanders supporters aren't just rallying around Clinton; they're doing it rather quickly. And it's a big reason Clinton just extended her lead over Trump into the double digits, 51 percent to 39 percent.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that Sanders backers, who polls have shown were reluctant to jump over to Clinton and even flirted with supporting Trump, are coming home faster than we might have expected.

Last month, 20 percent of Sanders supporters said they would back Trump over Clinton in the general election. This month, that figure is down to 8 percent.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/26/donald-trumps-bad-month-just-got-worse-because-bernie-backers-just-rallied-to-clinton/

[uponit7771]

100. Yeap, twice the rate of Clinton to Obama in 08...Sanders movement has moved on

[ciaobaby]

53. I am not sure most, or any of you, actually read the article.

From Cillizza:
What he's saying -- if you read between the lines -- is that the ball is in Clinton's court when it comes to winning his endorsement
the belief undergirding Sanders's comments is that he alone -- and, therefore, not Clinton -- is the person who can bring transformational change to end the "decline of the American middle class."

so it is Cillizza's "interpretation" of what Sanders says.

as for me, what Bernie says is simply his belief. He is honest and sincere and deeply committed. You can disagree with him, but that does not make him condescending. He has a voice in this political season and I continue to value what he has to say.

[LongtimeAZDem]

61. The article included a link to the original interview; I watched it, and I agree with Cillizza (nt)

[LAS14]

79. I agree.

[Voice for Peace]

54. this is condescending?

"I think many people -- I would respectfully disagree and suggest that many people do understand. Our job is to transform America, to end the 40-year decline of the American middle class. That is what I am fighting to do. And we are in that process right now. We did very well, I thought, in St. Louis, in terms of the first meeting of the platform committee. Now we go to Orlando, and then we go to the floor of the Democratic Convention. Politics is not a baseball game with winners or losers. What politics is about is whether we protect the needs of millions of people in this country who are hurting. That is my focus. And my job right now is to make the Democratic Party as open, as inclusive, as progressive as it possibly can be, and that's what we're working on as we speak."


stupid opinionated spin, imo.

[LAS14]

73. No, it's not condescending. It's straightforward and honest.

He disagrees with Clinton's more moderate position. That's fine.

[mcar]

56. I still don't get the strategy

[uponit7771]

99. Right!? He has no real leverage and his supporters are flocking to Clinton at twice the rate...

Clinton's flocked to Obama in 08...

His movement has moved on

[Vattel]

63. I am glad he still wants to transform the party. He is keeping his eye on the ball.

Cillizza is trying desperately to push a narrative. Pretty much a fail on his part.

[NanceGreggs]

89. It's not "his" party to transform.

He wasn't a member of the party until he needed the party to advance his political ambitions.

He bad-mouthed the Party for decades, and continued to do so while running for the Party's nomination.

And now, having been soundly rejected as the Party's nominee, he somehow believes he should be allowed to "transform" the Party into what he wants it to be.

Bernie had decades to join the Party, but refused to do so. Given that, it strikes me as incredibly arrogant for him to think he should have any say in what that Party does or doesn't do. Were he truly interested in "transforming" the Party, he had ample time during his career to BE a Democrat and work towards changing things within the Party AS a Democrat.

Bernie chose to be "on the outside looking in". Is it any wonder that those of us who have been Democrats all along get our backs up when an "outsider" wants to tell us that we should defer to his edicts as to how our Party should be run?

[WhiteTara]

106. That says it all.

Thanks

[Vattel]

108. Why did you put quotation marks around "his"?

[Number23]

119. BAM! There it is, Nance delivered it personally on a silver platter

It's not "his" party to transform.

...And now, having been soundly rejected as the Party's nominee, he somehow believes he should be allowed to "transform" the Party into what he wants it to be.

That's exactly what I was referring to downthread when I said I truly don't understand why anyone would even PRETEND to care about his comments/statements or anything at this point. I GENUINELY do not understand why anyone is supposed to care.

[Grassy Knoll]

126. Perfect!!

[CajunBlazer]

132. I have to agree

[kerry-is-my-prez]

142. +1000

[Beacool]

146. Hear, hear!!!

[AllyCat]

147. Oh so a person cannot change his or her mind?

Big tent sound familiar? Jeez. These types of posts slamming this type of Dem are allowed to stand. I have been a Democrat all along...and support Bernie's efforts to create positive change in our party. But feel free to continue to slam a Democrat.

[uponit7771]

168. Not people who chide others for doing so

[farleftlib]

211. Yup. He's evolving

Nothing wrong with that.

[Svafa]

212. Yeeaah

I had a post deleted in which I asked whether it matters whether a Democrat stands for the values of the party or simply has the "D" after their name, because it was supposedly "bashing" a public Democratic figure, even though my post was purely hypothetical. Yet I see post after post here that flat-out and unequivocally bash Sanders without anyone batting an eyelash. I thought we weren't supposed to bash ANY public Democrat or Democratically-identifying politician, but that definitely doesn't seem to be the case....

[AllyCat]

230. That is what I see too. It's fine to bash

Certain Dems and not others.

[AllyCat]

235. He is a registered Democrat

Get over it.

[NanceGreggs]

236. Only when it served ...

... to further his own political ambitions. He stated so himself when asked - he said it was because he needed the media attention he couldn't get if he ran as an Indy.

And why is he running as an Independent in his next senate race if he's a "registered Democrat"?

[AllyCat]

238. Then why is he still one?

If what you say is true, why has he not gone back to his old party? He's a registered Democrat and continuing to bash him is a violation of TOS.

[AgadorSparticus]

242. THIS could not be better stated!! Nt

[uponit7771]

94. He's transformed me ..... against the far left .... first Nader then Sanders....they

... both seem like nihilistic types

[Vattel]

109. The far left can survive without your support.

[NanceGreggs]

136. And there is part of the problem ...

... this totally unsubstantiated belief that "the far left" are all Bernie supporters.

I have news for you: Many of us on the "far left" are HRC supporters. Many of us who are true progressives are HRC supporters. Many of us who want to see positive change in the Party are HRC supporters.

The totally ridiculous meme that all HRC supporters are status quo-loving, warmongering, corporatist- embracing 1%ers was laughable at the outset - and has become more so as the primary process progressed.

As a member of the "far left", I can assure you that most of us just didn't buy what Bernie was selling. That's why we supported the candidate who knows the difference between spewing talking points and actually DOING something that advances our goals.

The idea that the "far left" were all BS supporters is beyond laughable. But I understand people who need to cling to that idea - as ludicrous as it is.

[Vattel]

162. Do you ever tire of straw men?

I never said that the far left were all Bernie supporters. The poster to whom I was replying said that Bernie had turned him or her against the far left. I merely said that the far left could survive without that person's support.

[NanceGreggs]

234. Okay, let's pretend ...

... that all of the posts here saying that Bernie supporters are the far left, the True Progressives (TM), and that HRC supporters are centrists and conservatives, never actually happened.

[Vattel]

240. And there it is, the dishonest reply that I have come to expect.

As if I am pretending that some set of posts do not exist.

[Renew Deal]

68. Barnie Frank is right

[MFM008]

69. He could have played a yuuuugggeeee role

But if you can't bend your knee a bit you won't get
What you want.

[Loki]

71. This is the perfect example between

Class and crass.

[LAS14]

72. Eh. I think it was OK. I took him at his word. He's keeping...

... whatever leverage he can til the convention to push his agenda. I think that's OK. Regardless of how much I do or don't agree with his agenda.

[uponit7771]

96. He'll have no tangible leverage... he can't do anything and his supporters are flocking to Clinton a

...twice the rate Clinton's did to Obama in 08

He has no backing literally and figuratively

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

77. First off The Fix has always been broken

and Chris Cillizza sucks ! Sanders and condescending, somewhat perhaps, but you know he did clearly say not too far back there still on the campaign trail, he would most certainly consider serving as Hillary's VP. Thing of it is, Hillary camp has not approached Sanders at all about that. If there is a sense of entitlement, that just might be it. I don't think Sanders is being shunned as the saying goes ,but I get the impression he has become somewhat disenchanted with the way it all goes at current.

[runaway hero]

78. Is WaPo a tabloid now?

This nonsense belongs in USWeekly, not a national newspaper.

[Eric J in MN]

155. NY Post would have published that anti-Sanders opinion

...but would have left out the direct quotes of Sanders showing that the rant against Sanders was nonsense.

So Washington Post is still a little better than the NY Post.

[liberal N proud]

80. Color me shocked

NOT!

[nest]

81. Some think there will be an indictment and that is why he lingers

But it won't happen. There is NO evidence that she mishandled classified information or did anything wrong, and even if an indictment were reccomended, it would have happened a long time ago.

[uponit7771]

98. +1, The FBI Never claimed to be investigating her anyway

[uponit7771]

87. If half of this is true then I'm disappointed

[DCBob]

90. He's still views Democrats and Hillary in an adversarial way.

Not sure he will ever loose that attitude. I think that's him and that's who he intends on being even after this campaign.

Its unfortunate since he could have been a major force to help the party and the country. He appears to be heading in the direction of where he was before.. a unknown inconsequential Senator from a small inconsequential state.

[randome]

113. Wonder what he thinks of Elizabeth Warren, then.

She must be just as bad as Clinton if she's ignoring Sanders and trying to get something done.

[DCBob]

117. Yeah. I wonder that too.

Seems she has taken his potential place as the liberal lion of the party.

[AgadorSparticus]

243. We all know what he thinks of Elizabeth Warren.

😐

[AgadorSparticus]

195. Exactly this! ^^^^^^^^^^^^

[NanceGreggs]

92. Not for nuthin', but ...

... has anyone ever heard Bernie say anything that isn't a soundbyte from the same stump speech he's been making for over a year now?

[randome]

105. Sounds like he's on replay, doesn't it?

The fact that he can't answer a direct question put to him makes me wonder if he fully realizes there is more to the world than just his opinion.

[NanceGreggs]

131. Exactly.

Since Bernie launched his campaign last spring, I have not heard a single sentence out of his mouth that wasn't an excerpt of his one-and-only stump speech.

In the early days, I watched his appearances on late-night talk shows and Sunday morning political shows, watched all of the debates, and read his interviews in the press. And the talking points were exactly the same, verbatim, every single time.

Some people see that as "consistency" - I see it as evidence of a man who committed ONE speech to memory, and is incapable of saying anything beyond that ONE speech.

By the third debate, I realized I could have stepped-in for Bernie if he was suddenly unable to appear anywhere at any time. I KNEW all the talking points - and knew there was nothing substantial beyond their constant recitation.

[uponit7771]

93. Sanders continues to place the onus on Clinton for making sure he does his part

[speaktruthtopower]

95. Understand..

he wasn't in this for his own aggrandizement like a lot of politicians. It no doubt hurts more because it is his core beliefs that have had a setback, not his career.

The good new for Democrats is that his core beliefs in the end will drive him to work against Trump.

[uponit7771]

97. He can't demand anything without some leverage...now he has little and

... continually placing the onus on Clinton to make sure he plays his part is (cause he never answers the straight foward question with a straight forward answer) denotes a sense of entitlement

[Joe the Revelator]

103. How is this condescending?

SANDERS: I think -- you're asking, I think, with all due respect, Andrea, the wrong question. It's not a question of my endorsement. It's a question of the American people understanding that Secretary Clinton is prepared to stand with them as they work longer hours for low wages, as they cannot afford health care, as their kids can't afford to go to college. Make it clear that she is on their side, that she is prepared to take on Wall Street, the drug companies, fossil fuel industry. Deal with the global crisis of climate change. I have no doubt that if Secretary Clinton makes that position, those positions clear, she will defeat Trump and defeat him by a very wide margin.

~~~~~~~

I think if anything it says that HIS agenda is clear, what is important to him is clear, and his endorsement is his to give or not give. There isn't anything condescending about having hoops to jump through for an actual endorsement.

[randome]

107. Because it was a straightforward question he refused to answer.

His rambling stump speech was not an answer to the question he was asked.

[MADem]

190. Telling the reporter that she doesn't ask the right question isn't condescending?

I am now starting to wonder if he has an issue with women and that is what is driving his reluctance to do the sensible thing. Telling a professional that they don't know how to do the job they've held for decades is the epitome of condescension. It's also a cheesy and obvious way to avoid asking the difficult question that was asked.

He's coming off poorly--and it's all his own fault.

With all due respect, of course.

[randome]

194. Has he ever said anything nice about Warren? (Maybe I'm not using the right search terms.)

It would seem that they, of everyone in the Senate, should be working closely and energetically together. But they haven't, that I can see. So maybe there's something in what you say, although it wouldn't explain his endorsement of other women candidates. I can't figure the man out.

[MADem]

196. Not that I've heard.

He likes to talk about HIS record. A lot.

It's getting a bit tiresome. He was once my 2nd choice. Now I just wish he'd do what every adult in his situation has done in the past--make the UNITY move--and rejoin the fold.

If he doesn't do that very soon, I will have to wonder about his motives.

[Beausoir]

110. Who?

[F. Kafka]

112. I thought Bernie sounded magnanimous

Said he's voting for Clinton, said that he'll do everything in his power to defeat Trump, and then said that he hopes to help make the Dem platform as progressive as possible.

Also, not to get meta, but wondering how this post gets by the new TOS about not disparaging fellow Dems?

[LongtimeAZDem]

116. He said he's voting for her, but he won't endorse her; that seems to be the extent

of what he's doing to defeat Trump.

And I would argue that you can't be magnanimous if you're setting conditions under which you'll recognize your opponent's victory.

[Lord Magus]

135. Conceding that Hillary won is within his power. So is endorsing her.

So far Bernie has done neither, and it's frankly mystifying why he hasn't.

[MaggieD]

114. Exactly and I find it sexist as hell

Of course I got an FFR for saying that last week, but here is the deal. I am a female business owner, and I started my career in a man's business IN THE SOUTH no less. I am 56 years old and had my fricking head patted by men for decades. I recognize this shit when I see it. And so do my sisters in political activism. This is not controversial in the real world of sentient human beings who are politically active.

And you can tell me all damn day that it has nothing to do with Clinton being an accomplished female (much more accomplished than Bernie by the way) and Bernie being an older white male from a generation that is accustomed to women being second class citizens. But all you need to do is talk to other women he has run against, or even check out the youtube of him pushing his wife out of the way, or examine some of his earlier essays about rape and the idea that women get cancer if they don't put out enough to know the real truth here.

And I think I am allowed to have that opinion. So whatever. I am tired of watching him smear one of the most accomplished Democrats in my lifetime. I think it's Democratic Underground and I have a RIGHT to defend her from his smears.

[CajunBlazer]

134. I'm a huge Clinton supporter, but I think the sexist accusations are over done

I too believe that Sander should have started endorsing Hillary the day after the DC primary at the latest.

I think that he his putting his movement above the good of the party.

I also found his interview 'condescending"

But did I find it sexist? Not in the least because I am reasonably sure that Sanders would be acting the exact same way had he been beaten by a man. Sanders is acting totally within character; I wouldn't even try to excuse his current behavior, but I wouldn't expect him to act any other way. I tried to listen to the interview again from your point of view, and I still find no evidence of sexism.

Everyone see the world through the prism of their experiences. Perhaps that is why my interpretation is so different than yours, but I like consider myself pretty objective on most things and I can usually spot sexism when I see it.

[Number23]

118. LOL! Like anyone actually cares

I really don't understand why Washington Post is even commenting on this. Camp Clinton will barely give this interview the time of day and I don't think anyone else will either.

[elias7]

122. I see no condescension in this interview. I see Andrea Mitchell asking the same question over and ov

over and over about endorsement and quitting the primary and she does not seem to understand his oft-repeated answer. he is taking his progressive agenda to the convention to fight for this in the platform, as he has said all along. There was no disrespect towards Clinton that I could see, other than if one were to consider holding her feet to the progressive fire until she is formally nominated and a platform is established.

I see Bernie as completely straightforward and not baffling, surreal or condescending. Imo, Hillary would see this in such a light either. I think understanding how some people see this as insulting and some do not is a key point to understanding the difference in mindset of this primary season's Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters.

[Johnny2X2X]

125. It was not a close primary.

He got beat by 13+ points.

[JI7]

130. i voted for Sanders

I don't regret it although i knew he would not win the nomination.

But i think this shows why he had little support from others in congress. You can complain about them bring establishment but he didn't get support from Feingold or even kucinich.

He would have been more influential if he had done like warren.

[KingFlorez]

133. It's clear that he will not endorse

Despite not suspending his campaign, I do think that he is resigned to the fact that he lost. Sanders isn't going to endorse anyone unless they are a human clone of him.

[democrattotheend]

138. I don't see what was condescending about it

He is pushing her to fight for the values he cares about, that his supporters care about, and that even many of the people who voted for Hillary care about. A lot of the people I know who voted for Hillary did so based on what they thought was politically possible, not because they didn't agree with Bernie's ideas.

[Gothmog]

141. Put Senator Warren on the ticket and Clinton can ignore Sanders

One advantage of having Senator Warren on the ticket is that Sanders' endorsement is not needed Senator Warren is looking better and better

[AgadorSparticus]

192. Maybe this is partly why she is being vetted. The other reason being that she is just that amazing.

[Gothmog]

204. Senator Warren is indeed amazing and I love the way she gets under Trump's thin skin

[akbacchus_BC]

143. What is so condesending about Bernie's statement? He said he will continue to campaign until the

DNC but will vote for Mrs. Clinton.

Gosh, let the guy have his say, it is freedom of speech!

[Eric J in MN]

148. The direct quotes of Sanders are great.

Chris Cillizza, an anti-Sanders writer for an anti-Sanders newspaper, interprets Sanders words in negative ways which are different from what Sanders said.

[mcar]

237. Cillizza hates HRC

It is well documented.

[Scootaloo]

152. Ah, I see

I guess the belief is Clinton has the GE in the bag, so it's back to ranting and raving about Sanders.

[David__77]

156. I've got no problem with this statement of his...

"It's a question of the American people understanding that Secretary Clinton is prepared to stand with them as they work longer hours for low wages, as they cannot afford health care, as their kids can't afford to go to college. Make it clear that she is on their side, that she is prepared to take on Wall Street, the drug companies, fossil fuel industry. Deal with the global crisis of climate change. I have no doubt that if Secretary Clinton makes that position, those positions clear, she will defeat Trump and defeat him by a very wide margin."

I can envision a Clinton campaign as attempting a broad centrist "unity front" type of candidacy aimed at uniting Democrats and Republicans not comfortable with Trump. I can alternatively imagine a left-of-center Clinton campaign that sets up a stark choice between "left" and "right." Ultimately, I'm not sure whether it matters which campaign is run in terms of what the result will be once in office.

[highprincipleswork]

161. Sorry, I don't think what he said was condescending. I think it was true.

[Vinca]

163. The thing they don't get about Bernie is that he cares about the people above all.

He's not a fool. He knows he isn't going to be the nominee. If he was just in it for himself he would have been long gone and cashing in writing a book about the experience. Bernie wants justice and if a few toes get stepped on it's not the end of life as we know it.

[uponit7771]

170. Demanding anything after losing sounds entitled not caring at all. If he cared so much he'd be doing

... what he said he'd do which was "everything" to defeat tRump.

So far very little has even been said about tRump but his main focus is his demands that the winner of a contest says what he wants her to say.

That's entitlted

[Armstead]

178. I guess Democrats should have just slunk off into the corner after GW Bush won

If winning is everything, and the only thing, and the loser gets niothing....and nothing else but the election contest ever matters you're correct.

[uponit7771]

200. Nope nor do I suppose GWB would've accepted Gores demands either, same here... the losing position

... is making demands and at the same time doing relatively little to combat the real opposittion to those ideals and its not HRC.

[Vinca]

203. I don't understand how anyone can be upset when someone is such a passionate advocate for the 99%.

[revolutionfoundation]

166. SuperDelegates haven't voted yet

The Democratic presidential primaries ended two weeks ago today. Bernie Sanders is still kind of, sort of running for the nomination, despite the fact he has lost -- by every possible metric -- to Hillary Clinton.

It's possible they'll vote for Sanders, improbable, but not impossible.

[Armstead]

172. Chris Cilizza -- the master of condescension -- complaining about condescension?

[randome]

174. Yeah, Cilizza is a bit too opinionated, that's for sure.

The direct quotes from Sanders, however, do paint him as still disgruntled. I wonder what he thinks of Elizabeth Warren. It's telling, I think, that the two of them are not best buds in the Senate.

[Armstead]

176. Chris Cilizza always makes my skin crawl on MSNBC

He epitomizes the smug beltway insider.

As for Sanders, he is disgruntled. I'm disgruntled. Millions of people are disgruntled. Just because Clinton won does not make her a diofferent person, nor does it change the issues the primary was about.

If he were to go out and pretend to gush about how wonderful Clinton is, and how he supports everything she might do unconditionally, he'd be a phony. And no one would believe him.

Best he can do is to keep fighting for what he's been fighting for along, as well as keep pointing out how awful Trump is, and how she's certainly light years ahead of that.

[Haveadream]

177. There is a reason Elizabeth Warren is enthusiastically endorsing and campaigning for Hillary

It is because Hillary IS and HAS BEEN addressing all the the issues Bernie is talking about. Bernie and Hillary have identical goals more than 9 times out of 10. Her website, debates, speeches and interviews consistently show she has not just a desire to have those problems solved but plans for how to do it.

"It's a question of the American people understanding that Secretary Clinton is prepared to stand with them as they work longer hours for low wages, as they cannot afford health care, as their kids can't afford to go to college. Make it clear that she is on their side, that she is prepared to take on Wall Street, the drug companies, fossil fuel industry. Deal with the global crisis of climate change. I have no doubt that if Secretary Clinton makes that position, those positions clear, she will defeat Trump and defeat him by a very wide margin."

Where Hillary and Bernie depart is on the best way to handle the problems to be solved, not that they have to be solved. Bernie's start over method and Hillary's fix what is broken approach are different and the vast majority of people agree that Hillary's plan is simply better.


What people find baffling is Bernie's continued inaccurate insistence that Hillary does not care or want that progress. He doesn't just imply that in his interview with Andrea, he flat out states it. Many people find that on-going characterization unreasonable, condescending and surreal.

[Armstead]

188. It's a systemic problem that she is part and parcel of

The Democratic Party because the Other Party of Big Business and Wall St. in the 1990's.

Maybe more liberal on social issues, but when it comes to distribution of actual Wealth and Power....and allowing corporations and Wall St. to get away with their theft of the good ol' USA .....more conservative than liberal.

The Democrats can either continue along that path, or rediscover its liberal soul on those issues.

[Haveadream]

217. A systemic problem is made so by its parts

And those parts would be policies and practices. It is helpful when Bernie presents specific solutions rather than making negative, sweeping generalizations about Dems, Hillary or what is broken. An example of where he is offering a solution is the goal of raising the minimum wage to $15. At least that gives everyone a benchmark to work with, whether they agree or not. Unfortunately, he didn't do much of that in his interview. Saying "we have to break up the banks" or that "Hillary has to show she cares" is so vague as to be rendered meaningless and opens him up to criticism of the kind in this article. Bernie is much more likely to get what he wants if he were to say with some specificity what that is. Otherwise, his words are open to too much interpretation and can be construed as complaining and personal animus rather than policy.

[Armstead]

219. When do people like those asshole "journalists" ever discuss the "parts"?

Bernie is doing exactly what he should be doing. keeping up the pressure to keep those issues alive in the presiden tial campaign and mainstream politics.

Otherwise, they will disappear. The specifics or alternative approaches won't matter because the issues will be glossed over, just as they have been for several decades....Or mischaracterized as pet causes of the "far left."

Other than being a political football, for example, how many in-depth reports has Chris Lizzard written about the actual impact of low wages on real people -- or the economic impact of $15 vs. $12....or the movement (which long predates Sanders' presidential run) for a livable wage?

Mr. Lizzard is too busy at his fancy restaurants to worry about such trivia.

The MSM -- and too many Democratic politicians -- were NOT focusing on these issues, or even raising them before. Sanders at least brought them into a mainstream presidential campaign.

Unfortunately, if Clinton follows the longstanding pattern, issues like htat will merely be given lip service to. Instead it will all be about how many women Trump has slept with over his life, or whether Clinton is good at projecting "empathy, and the other crap that passes for political/media discussion.

[Haveadream]

222. The media will always go for the lowest common denominator they can get away with

and strategically, Bernie's vagueness about issues gives them too much room to do that. That isn't to say the media won't still resist reporting about substance no matter how wonkish any candidate chooses to be. The BS with which they treat Hillary being a prime example. The difference between the Dem and the GOP discussions during the debates truly showed the contrast between the parties and gave us an enormous credibility advantage. That may be lost on some of the most willfully ignorant of the electorate but for those who are paying attention, it still matters.

[Armstead]

231. Well, Bernie may be simplistic inj his message....but that's neceessary at this point

Alas, in our Short Attention Span society an issue has to be presented in a dramatic fashion to get attention. (Although the media could make these issues interesting if they wanted to bother doing so.)

That's why I'm all in favor of Bernie's Bullmoose style. If these things can be put front and center, there'll be plenty of time to hyash out details.....if the Democratic leadership is willing.

[hollowdweller]

180. Here's a question about the Sanders campain keeps bugging me

It appears that Hillary is the nominee. Most of the Sanders supporters have moved to supporting Hillary.

Sanders seems to still be holding out for something himself............

However here on the forum, or forums, there seems to be a lot of trolling of the Sanders Supporters, who support Hillary but
still like Sanders and what he stood for. Who wouldn't that was a true liberal??

I'm going to vote for Clinton. But the repeated posts sort of wanting to diss Sanders by Hillary supporters (or republican paid trolls?) I don't think do anything for party unity. I realize there are some holdouts dissing Clinton as well but she's the nominee and I think she is going to beat Trump pretty easily because people realize he's making it up as he goes along. Would be good if those who are not republicans trying to sew inter party discord hold their fire in the interest of party unity.

Just Sayin"

[Uponthegears]

183. Whatever

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/06/29/1543486/-Some-Sanders-Critics-are-Delusional-Mean-Spirited-SOBs

The pertinent phrase here is “if you read between the lines”. This, as any competent writer or critical reader knows, is a tacit admission by Cillizza that Sanders said nothing of the kind and that Cillizza is intuiting a meaning that was not actually expressed while presenting it as fact.

The most charitable description for this is projection. There are other, less charitable descriptions for it as well.

[Svafa]

206. And WaPo has been amazingly condescending toward Sanders all campaign.

Not surprised they're still trashing him in the headlines.

[Svafa]

215. For real. Chris Cillizza needs to get over himself.

[Miles Archer]

220. I missed the "amazingly condescending" part.

MITCHELL: How long are you going to wait before you make a decision about endorsement? Will you decide before -- ?

SANDERS: I think -- you're asking, I think, with all due respect, Andrea, the wrong question. It's not a question of my endorsement. It's a question of the American people understanding that Secretary Clinton is prepared to stand with them as they work longer hours for low wages, as they cannot afford health care, as their kids can't afford to go to college. Make it clear that she is on their side, that she is prepared to take on Wall Street, the drug companies, fossil fuel industry. Deal with the global crisis of climate change. I have no doubt that if Secretary Clinton makes that position, those positions clear, she will defeat Trump and defeat him by a very wide margin.

Then:

That's a stunning answer from Sanders. What he's saying -- if you read between the lines -- is that the ball is in Clinton's court when it comes to winning his endorsement. Not only does he think she needs to come to him, but he also believes she still has to prove that she is "prepared to stand with them [the American people], as they work longer hours for low wages, as they cannot afford health care, as their kids can't afford to go to college."

Much...if not all...of the ugliness we had on this site during GD-P came from people "reading between the lines."

What Sanders is saying...if you take his words at face value and do not "read between the lines"...is that his supporters want to believe that "Clinton is prepared to stand with them." Those are his exact words.

So if you can copy and paste the part where he was "amazingly condescending," I'll be prepared to consider that as fact, not opinion.

[arcane1]

228. That's because the "amazingly condescending" part doesn't exist.

This is just another attempt at discrediting progressives.

[upaloopa]

229. It is condescending in that he will not acknowledge the fact that Hillary

has plans to deal with all his issues and he acts like he is still holds the moral high ground.

He is becoming more irrelevant every day sits on his limb and keeps sawing.

[Hekate]

225. Still biting the hand that feeds him, cloaked in invincible self-righteousness....

...and a complete inability to work well with others. Barney Frank nailed his personality flaws long ago, and has been proven right again and again during this campaign:

“Bernie alienates his natural allies,” Frank said. “His holier-than-thou attitude—saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else—really undercuts his effectiveness.”

When both Frank and Sanders were members of the Banking Committee, Frank said to The Washington Post in July 1991 that Sanders was not effective from within the committee, and suggested that Sanders didn’t want to be. “But maybe that’s not his goal,” says Frank. “There are some people who seek to have a major effect inside, and others who opt to use the place as a platform.”
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2016/04/11/history-barney-frank-bernie-sanders-criticize

He's just using Democrats and the Democratic Party as his personal platform -- I find this really sad, because he would rather be right (in his own eyes) than get stuff accomplished. It makes him unsuited to either a Cabinet post or VP.

[runaway hero]

232. Again, tabloid nonsense

Just to rile people up. Politics is garbage nowadays.

[Vattel]

241. Thanks for getting to the heart of the matter