2016 Postmortem
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Hillary Clinton promises to put more emphasis on issues she's already nominally for:
- public financing of elections
- stopping the TPP
Bernie Sanders concedes before the convention, endorses her at the convention, and then does a college tour in support of the Democratic ticket and local Democratic candidates (and keeps talking about his policy goals).
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)Hillary has to get a signed pledged from all her elected SD's that they will vote against TPP - this will likely come up before she is inaugurated, and there is little she can do as a private citizen except ask them to endorse this. I'd like to see it in writing.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)In which case, forget about TPP - it's a done deal if she has no power over them. Although, it will be interesting to watch this 'changing of the guard' in respect to the TPP.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)It can't be done.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)must put you on ignore to avoid infection. Hillary has the will to do something about this. Maybe she will help you.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)That does not sound like a full commitment to change anything. Not to mention these are not the two issues most people care about.
And those two issues are not my personal top two.
Ino
(3,366 posts)"She'll say anything, and change nothing."
I don't get why anyone would put any stock in her "promises." They are convenient, and totally empty.
She and her media/DNC cohorts kicked Sanders in the teeth all through the primaries. He owes her nothing.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)I certainly never will.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)needs to suspend at least before the convention.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Chathamization
(1,638 posts)People who have been trashing Sanders for months are very angry that he hasn't officially conceded, but they don't seem to realize that this isn't about them. My guess is that Sanders is trying to bring his supporters who are on the fence into the fold. Simply saying, "It's over, Clinton is the winner, listen to her now" is going to cause a certain number of them to jump ship. But if he pivots and frames things (even more) as being part of a larger struggle, one that everyone is a part of, and one that the 2016 presidential election is just a small part of, he might get a large part of them to stick with the Democratic party and try to use it as a vessel for progressive change.
Again, this might make people who already disliked Sanders more angry, but this isn't about stroking their egos. This is about getting the best outcome for November and beyond.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)She DID NOT win.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)We had a rotten primary process, and HRC will get the nomination from that rotten process.
If Sanders never endorses her, then he'll have less power in the Senate than if he does.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)If Sanders never endorses Clinton, then he'll probably never be Chair of the Budget Committee (as punishment for not endorsing her.)
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)for not supporting Her?
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)lol
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Which I don't think he'll do.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)on ANYTHING. You can never tell where she will on anything from day to day and she can never give straight answers, I don't trust her on issues and that includes things like the TPP.
Why should I trust someone who called the TPP "The gold standard" more than 40x in her book?