2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt really pisses me off that Bernie
Can't bring himself to accept his loss and endorse the first woman democratic nominee for president of the united states.
He is showing himself to be a small, vengeful, pitiful person.
He has made himself and his movement irrelevant. His actions will bear no fruit except turning off people to him and regretfully his ideas. He has made himself the focus. His supporters and their principles will suffer.
He could have been courageous instead of bitter. Yet bitter with an air of self importance will be all that is remembered of him and this election season. The man who could not face reality and instead chose to make it about himself instead of his ideas. In the face of a historical and momentous election where a woman truly has a chance of being elected president, he thinks his loss is of more importance.
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LexVegas
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rock
(13,218 posts)It did not take me long to assess Bernie for the con artist he is. About a month or so. His supporters were a great help in appreciating what he was.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)the movement doesn't need DEM party, but party def. needs the movement
vintx
(1,748 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)For decades he has sat there with no clout at all. He has joined the party and now has a voice. It is what coalition building is about. Your comment is based in self, not community. Sanders career as a whole combined with recent events argues directly against your thoughts here.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)is having all these HRC supporters post Bernie's 'irrelevance'
his voice has always been consistent, this movement, the one he gave fuel to, scares DEM and establishment
my comments are based upon fact, it's based upon principle and ideology
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That truly has nothing to do with any of this.
"his voice has always been consistent, this movement, the one he gave fuel to, scares DEM and establishment"
Again, zero to do with clout, coalition building, or the ability to influence.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)DEM party gave unprecedented # of seats to Bernie... CLOUT
the waves Bernie is making throughout DEM and DEM establishment in terms of him conceding is remarkable, if that's not clout, then why bother with making an issue of it? If Bernie is so easily dismissed and he lacks any true 'power' then why are DEM folks remarking on it at all
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm just going to yell uncle.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)yeah... I'm the one that's been inconsistent... 
zonkers
(5,865 posts)
LuvLoogie
(6,993 posts)your movement is just spinning in place.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)n/t
aintitfunny
(1,421 posts)Here is an Alternet article on what Sanders has done in the Senate: "Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You."
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
Hillary supporters would argue this since that is one of the talking points used by people like Barnie Frank to "go after" Bernie Sanders. Of course all's fair in love, war and presidential primaries.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Read it and then ask yourself how long he has been there. This isn't even debatable so have a wonderful day.
LisaM
(27,803 posts)I've been listening to Bernie on the radio for years. My friends who support him now - when did they ever mention him to me? Exactly never, that's when.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)laugh all you'd like
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)n/t
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)is this a liberal / progressive position or ??
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)And, more specifically, to comment on a Hillary position that is clearly indefensible.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)n/t
apcalc
(4,463 posts)I'm sure she can explain every position she has taken.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)no, he doesn't need the Democratic party. But to be anything else, he sure does. The party could use his support, but it has not gotten that, so perhaps the party doesn't need him after all. It would be great if we were all supporting the nominee for president, but so far, he doesn't seem able to do that.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)notice that?... that dismissive angle you and others like you are trying to press here in DU as it pertains to Bernie and the movement is interesting and noted
how is that approach angle workin' out for ya?
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)to make these changes. To demand that the President's choice for chair be removed is really a non starter. He can't wait until the next election cycle? Please. That is his vendetta against DWS and is unhelpful.
He has people on the platform committee and thate is where most the work is being done. To not endorse the nominee is totally outside the bounds of the party. He is a carpet bagger and acts like he won the nomination. He didn't. How's that working out for you?
He needs to either become part of the party or go back to being an obscure senator from an obscure state.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)'He needs to either become part of the party or go back to being an obscure senator from an obscure state.'
thx for playin' you prove my point
gotta love the terminology invoked by HRC supporters and DEM establishment folks as it pertains to Bernie
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)Before this election, nobody knew who he was...so says the BS supporters, so what makes you think they will remember him if he goes back to his independent status in the homogeneous state of Vermont. If he wants to make the revolution happen, he needs the big tent. He realized that he needed to run for president or he would have just made his run as an independent. But there were LOTS of advantages to running in the party and now he needs to stand up for it. Or he will remain a carpet bagger and a footnote in history.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Bernie votes with Ds more often than most Ds, co-founded the CPC, and more closely represents the ideals of this party than just about any other D, yet because he won't kiss her ring they're filled with hate and insults.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)spot on 
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)One their homecoming queen was selected from the field of two, they began trashing him.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)If Bernie didn't need the Dems he would've filed to run as an independent last April. He openly admitted that he was running as a Dem because he would've gotten nowhere running for president as an independent.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)you just proved Bernie is a shrewd intellect as well, great strategy on his part
thx for playin'!
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)When he effectively lost the primary.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)n/t
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)There are not enough independents in Congress to get any committee assignments with out joining with one of the other parties.
Bernie has about two more years in the Senate. He needs the Democratic party or he will be sitting on the shelf the whole time.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)'He can't get shit done as an independent'
You're entitled to your own perception but you're not entitled to your own facts
840high
(17,196 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Sanders would still be one of America's most obscure senators if not for the publicity he got from running in the Democratic Party primary.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)n/t
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Fact: Bernie openly admitted that running as a Dem was the only way his presidential campaign would even be noticed.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)he slapped a D for exposure, started at 3% and grew that against D establishment efforts to label him 'fringe' and 'radical' to close in on HRC and make it a real race, generated a gigantic following and movement that has D establishment afraid and given Bernie unprecedented amount of seats on platform committee and now he has D establishment begging him to concede before convention...
Bernie doesn't need D, D needs Bernie... viola' thems the facts.. enjoy!
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Without it, he'd be irrelevant.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)the only relevance I see is you and D getting played using your 'facts'.... so there is that... do you really want to keep this back and forth rolling along?
Consider this... by spending all this time and effort on 'irrelevant Bernie', you're making him more relevant than before
You are your own worst enemy using your logic here....
Bernie doesn't need D, all he needs evidently is more D establishment folks and HRC supporters like yourself to keep him relevant
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)He was obscure, achieved nothing and will likely go back to that...and maybe write a new essay or two.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)...how you define 'name recognition'
taking 3% to making it a contested primary run is beyond impressive, with all the forces against him as well
he proves that principle over party is possible
gotta love your, and others like you, continued attempts at dismissive replies / OPs here on DU... just reinforces the inverse of what you're attempting to do "The lad(y) doth protest too much, methinks"
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)sure he got all the way up to 43% by aligning himself with the party he has always and continues to deride, despises and is disgusted by. And you say he has principles? hardly.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)I get it... tough concept to wrestle with when you've embraced party to the point where it skews your perception concerning principle and ideology
he doesn't hold republican light principles like this :
he's been the most consistent on issue(s) throughout his tenure as a public servant
if you want to debate the facts great, I doubt you'd be willing to go point by point though the facts as it pertains to the issues and principle...
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)your Bernie love is not convincing me he has either of those noble characteristics.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)if the facts don't 'convince you' well... you may have larger issues to address
zonkers
(5,865 posts)it accordingly is a real indication of the tone-deaf decision making we can expect from an HRC Admin.
Me, I like where Bernie is at right now and the fact that he's got them all in a tizzy tells me he is doing the right thing.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts) zonkers
(5,865 posts)everyone is screaming foul just because Bernie wants to take it to the convention? He is playing by the rules so they should just STFU.
Bernie knows it is time to step back and assess -- something I wish Al Gore would have done a bit more of in 2000 before he asked for a partial recount in FL instead of a full state recount. This is the critical moment. Kind of like that Eminem song! (BTW, I am no big fan of Marshall Mathers!)
In life, most of the time, when a lot is on the line, especially when you are an outsider, you only get one shot and timing is everything. You cannot blink. You cannot cave. Because the whole house of cards will fall if you do. Warriors know this. Bernie is a warrior.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Bernie will get a love note from the IRS because you can't fund-raise off a primary that is over...next week or after July at the latest.
rock
(13,218 posts)He is irrelevant.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)n/t
rock
(13,218 posts)Extremely annoying, he is.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts).... what is that saying? "takes one to know one". Nice post though
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Many things at once, actually.
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)
jalan48
(13,859 posts)Our elections have become a race between cults of personality.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)jalan48
(13,859 posts)He wants to make sure his ideas are heard at the convention. We need that as a party if we are to move forward together.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)Fucking hell
jalan48
(13,859 posts)He's not a corporate Democrat and the current corporate leadership of the Party would prefer he just go away. He knows that and is standing up for what he believes.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I think he peaked a long time ago. I was very interested in him as a candidate at first but gave up on him because he never followed through with detailed policy positions and his stump speech has evolved so little. Great ideology but apparently poorly prepared to run things or respond to exigent circumstances, I thought. So my interest waned again.
Now, I agree he's popular, and congratulations, his rallies are well populated. But when you get down to actual numbers of votes and so on I am not seeing the trend you assert.
jalan48
(13,859 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)You said that the more people hear of him the more popular he becomes. I asked what evidence you are relying on for that conclusion and you switch to saying it's about ideas, not personality.
That right there is why he didn't win - rhetorical gambits are no substitute for substance. Ideas are great, I myself am full of good ideas and love dreaming about how great things could be in the future. But success in politics also requires ability to deliver. Hillary Clinton's ideas are less exciting than those of Bernie Sanders, but a lot of people seem to share my opinion that Clinton is more likely to deliver a limited progressive agenda than Sanders is to deliver on his grand one.
jalan48
(13,859 posts)All Democrats need to hear his ideas at the Convention. Tens of millions have voted for him because of what he says. Oh. and what it's about is the issue.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)The fact that you have to point back to the beginning of his campaign to make your point suggests you don't understand the concept of a trend.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)No one "has to" point to anything. Take a look at his unknown status to his getting 45% of Democrats' votes.
I guess your answer is shallow.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)It started low, it grew, it peaked, and then it fell again - ie he ran out of momentum and finished the last contests with lower shares of the vote than he was getting earlier in the spring. That's what we mean when we say there's a ceiling on his support, whereas many Bernie fans seem to think that the only reason that anyone would not support Bernie is because they're not sufficiently familiar with him.
Observe the aggregated polling data at the link below. Support for Sanders begins low, grows, peaks in April, and then declines. One presumes as time goes by that voters are more familiar with Sanders rather than less familiar, so how do you explain the fact that his support has been falling? The poster I replied to claimed that as voters became more familiar with Sanders, his support would increase, but the evidence says otherwise.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary
It's funny that you think my answer is shallow when your idea of a trend is two data points. Nothing personal, but the vast majority of the Bernie supporters I meet just don't seem to have a firm grasp of math. I'm not saying this to have a dig at you; it's just that every conversation I've had with Bernie supporters which involves statistics ratios or percentages (when discussing electoral calculus or budgetary issues), people's eyes seem to glaze over as soon as we get to talking about numbers and the discussion rapidly grinds to a halt.
Please consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, I am more knowledgeable than you and that you could learn something from my answer. Because if you won't consider that, then you are choosing to be prey for people who will simply exploit your weak understanding of statistics rather than take the time to explain why it's flawed.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)woman" wing, alone, could never have attracted, and probably still doesn't care about.
Polls are pulses. Trends are as reflective of combined media and audience as of polls, and thus more or less credible.
Of course it's possible that you're more knowledgeable statistically, I don't know you. Anything can possibly be true of anyone around here.
I myself took stats in grad school forty years ago, used them in a Master's thesis, etc., etc., had to apply them with some regularity on my job. One thing this primary is showing by numbers, is that we don't yet have a handle on the General. Nor should we, given how competing kingmaker entities crush democratic efforts.
That said, even as media amplify every fart of a strong man fascist, or black out every speech of a committed democratic socialist, your attempt here to judge anyone's mention of history or numbers in the context of the presumptuous nyah nyah crowd is weirdly friendly.
If you think Hillers have a better corner on statistical knowledge than Berners, after they've quoted popularity votes, as if primary votes and caucus numbers reflect equal meaning, then it's equally possible that your Hillers need attention.
The machinery bought, paid for and programmed really are the story of the end of democracy that Powell, in his famous memo, said we had too much of.
Here's some numbers from all that machinery.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6mLpCEIGEYGYl9RZWFRcmpsZk0/view?pref=2&pli=1
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)really bothers you.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Thus, he is useless in the general ...and I would give him nothing at the convention.
jalan48
(13,859 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)The future doesn't lose...soon it will be Bernie who?
jalan48
(13,859 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)No matter how you cut it unless you believe the sore loser propaganda..."I was robbed", he lost. He ran on these ideas which were Dems themes for a long time before he commandeered them. And if it is about ideas...more power to him...I won't participate and I would have because I am liberal and believe in these ideas....but I hate Bernie now so I can't be involved in anything he leads...But he needs to leave the primary to do so...we need to win the GE more than we need to hear Bernie's 'fresh' ideas.
vintx
(1,748 posts)People insisting he needs to kiss her ring RIGHT FUCKING NOW need to get the fuck over themselves.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)For example: her opposition to recognize gay marriage in the senate, voting for the IWR in the senate, destabilizing libya, etc etc etc
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)And it's not even close.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Duh!
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)You know, just off the top of my head...
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vintx
(1,748 posts)Really?
He thinks the ideals of the left, which used to matter to this party (and which Hillary now at least pretends to agree with), are worth pursuing.
Enjoy the next five months, and whatever future follows that. Never forget the part you played.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)not conceding or endorsing.
Something is going on. Wonder what they know that you don't?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)But these are statesmen and women, who have the character to lead the party and the country for the common good and rise above political bickering to project an image of calm and unity. It's not about their personal egos or agendas.
I agree with the OP, though I am not in the least surprised that this is happening, and I don't expect an official concession or endorsement ever to be made.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)Hillary won. If Bernie fades into the sunset, why is that a problem for you since you hate him so much anyhow? Right now he's working on trying to implement some changes in the way the DNC operates, and so what's wrong with that? Either he succeeds or he doesn't. He's not even competing with Hillary any more. And I don't see Hillary herself whining and moaning and being a sore winner like so many of her supporters. They will work it out and at some point he'll endorse her and the campaign will go on.
Is it just that you're bothered by the fact that Bernie is not groveling in the dust?
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Can't have it both ways. 
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Is he part of the "establishment" or is he a revolutin tootin make the party in his image only? I know majority of votes or delegates and his losing in the Democratic Primaries means nothing, right. Cause it has to be Bernies way or the highway. Please give me a break.
The longer he fights democrats the less influence he will have. He will be seen as a sore loser.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)You can't stand him because he dared to challenge the inevitable Hillary, is that it? And if he does discredit himself (which I doubt will happen), isn't that just what you want anyhow? Maybe some of the rabid Bernie-haters around here should follow the example of Hillary herself, as well as Joe Biden and President Obama and the other Dem bigwigs who are not demanding that Bernie prostrate himself before Hillary and admit utter defeat, but are allowing the entirely legitimate process to play out. Bernie is not obligated to concede at this point and he has every right to try to influence the platform. To what extent he succeeds remains to be seen but he's not required to fall on the ground before Hillary, rend his garment and apologize for having had the gall to challenge her.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)He will not be the nominee. He knows this, I know this, you know this. What he's fighting for is to be heard by a party he no longer feels represents the interests of the average American. Fact is, millions of people share his views. The Party can (and probably will) reject everything he proposes. When it happens, let the chips fall where they may. The Democratic Party is free to turn their back on him. His supporters wont, though. Regardless of how some seem to wish it were so.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)What purpose does that serve?
That anyone would equate conceding to the winner as "groveling" says a lot about that person (and it's not very flattering either.) Bernie doesn't need to "grovel in the dust" ... but he does need to stop acting like anyone owes him anything, or making "ransom" demands.
Tragl1
(104 posts)Honestly, Clintons position on progressive issues is what most Bernie supporter take a side with. TPP, fracking, gay rights, Honduras, I don't think it's a smear to talk about these things. But you are right, a ton of stuff out there that's right wing media filtering into lefty hands, but it's still not the same as a discussion of legitimate policy.
But to me it kinda has to be accepted as part of nominating a politician with the unfavorable numbers that she has, in general a lot of people just don't like her. So as byproduct your going to see more "smear" as a consequence, that's not really Bernie's campaign or his followers fault. Just comes with the territory.
PJMcK
(22,031 posts)We need to turn our attention to the crucial battle ahead. Our real enemies are the Republicans and we need to beat them at every level of our governments. As I say too often, vote a straight Democratic ticket. Let's make sure Donald Trump is the one groveling in the dust.
Senator Sanders can do whatever he damn pleases for all I care. He's a big boy and he can make his own decisions. Secretary Clinton is already targeting her expected opponent. Let's do the same.
monmouth4
(9,694 posts)him at his rallies. He will undoubtedly endorse Hillary when she agrees to what ALL Democrats should want in their platform. He knows he lost, he has dealt with it, but he is not willing to forget those many thousands who stood in heat, rain, etc. to urge him on. If the situation were reversed I'm sure her supporters would do the same thing.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)And yes, it is his ego that keeps him in it. Bernie has to stay in so he can keep contributions coming in. His campaign has lots of debt to pay. Hillary knew she had lost going into the convention. She also made no demands to the DNC. An ego will cause a person to do otherwise, as with Bernie.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)Can I have a link to the financials you have showing the debt?
Can you find me a quote by him that shows him running for "him" and not "us". The "us" who support him have never once heard him in a speech refer to himself as above any of this.
You can dislike someone. Nobody says that you can't. But you seem to enjoy making a hobby of it.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Have you even read it?
panader0
(25,816 posts)"Reality" as you call it, is the establishment party. He took them on winning 12.3 million (or more)
votes. His movement has more relevance now than ever thanks to his efforts.
His principles will never suffer.
The candidate making it about herself is HRC, running for POTUS while under FBI investigation,
a first for US politics. It can only be explained by her massive ego.
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Not a word of it
aintitfunny
(1,421 posts)Since you appear to have not supported Bernie Sanders or the revolution he seeks and the changes he wants, I can understand your lack of understanding as to his purpose.
He is in the race into the convention. As a Bernie supporter, I am breaking ranks and getting behind the presumptive nominee in advance of the primary, but I am alone in that position. Yet, I still want him to hang on into the convention. The support he has had in the primary should not be discounted by Hillary Clinton, her supporters or the Democratic Party. When she is the official nominee I am confident that he will endorse her and work for her election and the defeat of Donald Trump or whoever the Republicans can swap him out for. Bernie's supporters want him to launch a third party run, he rejects that idea in spite of the clamor that is loud with strong Anti-Hillary tones.
I understand Bernie Sanders intentions. I want the revolution. I want a better Democratic Party. In the more than 40 years that I have voted, I never voted for a candidate for any other party, and it would be near impossible to convince me otherwise. But, we must change to address the real issues of the middle class, not just toss them a bone, shrug shoulders and say "We tried." I am sick and tired of the Democratic Party's incremental move to the right that has only gotten worse over time.
Bernie Sanders does not consider himself courageous, I would not use that term of glorification. I would say he is determined. He is certainly neither bitter or self-important. It is all about his ideas, the majority of which are supported by the majority of the people. It is about the sad reality that what the majority of the American people want is constantly ignored by the powers that be.
I want that determination and the working class centered policies he promotes not just on the table for discussion but to be central to the Democratic Party platform.
Healthcare for all, minimum wage at $15, affordable education, infrastructure investment... all worthy and supported by Democrats and Independents and even a Republican or two.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Look, when they run a race at athletic meets, the race is the part between the start and finish line. Later the top 3 finishers (usually) walk over the the podium where they are presented with tier medals. But that is not part of the race. If you came in second then you can't get the gold medal by rushing to the podium, they're simply not going to hand it to you instead of the person who finished ahead of you.
Now it's true that superdelegates could theoretically vote differently from the way they have stated they will and so lead to a dramatic and surprising reversal, but there's absolutely no reason so far to think that they are about to do so - and if there were some drastic external change, like the FBI arresting Hillary Clinton or something, then it would not matter if Bernie had suspended his campaign already.
Continuing to run despite the race being over is a national-scale demonstration of what economists call the 'Sunk cost fallacy' the notion that because you've poured so much effort or so many resources into something, it can't be abandoned even if it is obviously a failure. Time for a different strategy.
aintitfunny
(1,421 posts)the race for POTUS is not really comparable to an athletic event, except perhaps for the necessary endurance candidates must display without the athletic strength.
He is continuing his race to continue the revolution for change to get money out of politics and bring the Democratic Party back to the days of FDR, JFK and Lyndon Johnson.
He will support the nominee, and he is and shall continue to make a difference. He will try to convince his supporters to get behind Hillary. Right now, according to IPSOS/Reuters 44% of Democrats want Sanders to run 3rd party. I question the validity of that poll, but do think too many people want it. The Democratic Party is responsible for convincing them, otherwise. Denying Bernie Sanders a voice at the convention is essential.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Angry, bitter, and generally pitiful.
Get over yourself.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)after post after post about him.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Is just staying in as long as he can to prevent Hillary from shifting to the right on some issues in order to win over the moderate Republicans that are on the fence between Hillary and Trump.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)...one of the defining moments for me in terms of my opinion of her was the grace she showed once that race was over in 2008.
We see now how hard that is for Sanders and many of his supporters. It's pure character. She has a ton of it, and most other folks just don't measure up.
Sanders folks will again try to discount that and make all kinds of excuses, yet here we are with him and many of his supporters and their behavior. You can't talk around that.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)not that article?
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)for years after 2008. Sure.
If not, we can talk about all of Sanders old gun positions and his misogynistic writings over the years.
Your call
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)he's running to keep the issues alive. We know how quickly they can get buried if no one is talking about them.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That kind of behavior is disgusting. (Especially considering the fact that weakening the party actually HELPS Trump.)
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)What "cover" would any critic need anyway?
Sometimes one is just paranoid, I don't even understand what you think the dynamic in play even is.
I'm not so sure I want to either, sometimes the rabbit hole is too deep to bother going down.
Whatever you think of Bernie Sanders he isn't a teen soap opera villain on the worst written show in the history of a very dicey genre. Maybe this is a good time to take a little step back from social media.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... determined to damage the party and our nominee.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You guys are really something else! 
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Thus come, Monday at least we won't read about his antics.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Yours is particularly over the top.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)You can only (it seems) imagine that they are puppets of Hillary's campaign manager, and so you denounce all competing opinions as originating from the Clinton campaign. Why do you not think that people are capable of forming and expressing opinions by themselves, even if they happen to disagree with you?
vintx
(1,748 posts)Personal insults directed at Bernie and his supporters.
Do try to keep up.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)And we know for a fact that Brock has hired people to troll internet sites. It's been this way for weeks: Almost every day anti-Bernie posts turn up on the same topic and using almost the same language. Of course, maybe people are just coincidentally making these comments completely independently and without being influenced by anyone. Who knows?
pat_k
(9,313 posts)...tonight before being angry for what you think he's doing.
I'm pissed off at all the strawman "Sanders is doing this..." "Sanders is thinking this..." crap that has nothing to do with what he has actually said or done (I don't claim, as so many others seem to, to know what he is thinking).
He committed to campaign in every state until the last vote was cast. He kept that commitment. Just hours after that last vote was cast he announced that he's doing a live address tomorrow.
Why are so many complaining about what he's saying when he hasn't said it yet?
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...maybe the guy on the left can:
840high
(17,196 posts)George Eliot
(701 posts)He doesn't owe anybody anything. Better that you get out and work for your candidate instead of sour grapes for someone you didn't vote for. Don't you think?
niyad
(113,263 posts)
Orsino
(37,428 posts)He's promised for a long time to campaign as far as Philly, and then to work to get the nominee elected. This was known.
It sounds like heresy, sure, to people whose only experience is with conventional campaigns, but you'll have your nominee next month. How about spending the intervening time working toward concrete political goals?
Sanders and Clinton seem to be.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Thanks for the laugh. Watching Hill supporters getting so upset that their candidate can't unify the party is more fun than should be allowed.
840high
(17,196 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)He has promised to go all the way to the convention. After winning 20+ states and garnering millions of votes that is his privilege.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,445 posts)Clinton won the nomination?
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)It's not about "the first woman democratic nominee for president of the united states."
It's about the political leanings of the woman who was chosen.
See, here's where your logic really misses the boat...you just don't see it:
"The man who could not face reality and instead chose to make it about himself instead of his ideas."
Hey! Tough guy! It's ALL about the fact that HIS "ideas" aren't HER "ideas."
And in your reality, having one's own "ideas" and principles and sticking by them means the person is "small, vengeful, pitiful," lacking courage, unable to face reality...
And ya know what, Bean?
Give yourself a round of applause for posting one of the most "vengeful" posts on DU today.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Small anonymous posters feel bigger when they can berate someone big. It helps them cope with life imo.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Sanders is hurting his revolution by his childish conduct
Rex
(65,616 posts)
Logical
(22,457 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)One teen turns to the other and says "When my parents hate my clothes, they're perfect."
This OP made me think of it. In other words... when boston's pissed off about something Bernie-related, we're cookin' with gas.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)that you keep going with your bullshit. How about trying to win with some fucking grace for once.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)Why so much anger over "irrelevant" candidates? Nice try.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)When Hillary lost in 2008, Obama supporters weren't half as nasty to us former supporters as Hillary supporters are to former Bernie supporters. What makes you so hateful?
People posting crap like this is why Bernie supporters are not likely to convert over to Hillary. Keep it up and soon you will have alienated everyone.
G_j
(40,366 posts)does anyone really care if one person on an Internet forum is pissed off? no really
immoderate
(20,885 posts)Can't you see the cognitive dissonance involved in endorsing her?
--imm
840high
(17,196 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)He pretended to be one to run for president.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)Small d, democrats believe in equality. Capital D, Democrats work for the oligarchy. He is trying to lead them to a better life.
--imm
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)I can't oppose it?
--imm
-none
(1,884 posts)Hillary has not won it yet, because she does not have the required delegates. Therefore Bernie has not lost, at least not yet.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)and he should be shown the door.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)
--imm
zonkers
(5,865 posts)
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)
MFM008
(19,805 posts)I give him the chance to be a man of his word.
mcar
(42,302 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)He really is comparing his 'movement' to the movements of oppressed groups. My god. This mf done lost it.
He really thinks he's the shit tho.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)I could never take a finger wagging Sanders in my face. Trying to mansplain to the little woman.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)He confirms one of my deep misgivings about him.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)He is dreadful...and easy to see why only one Senator endorsed him...and he did it for political reasons...no one likes him...that is clear.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Should be an interesting read for you in August.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)a liberal interventionist war hawk neo-conservative tool.
It's no wonder he's going to take a little time to get around to an endorsement. Just don't let your panties get in a wad.
