What Changed?

[pinebox]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by George II (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

* I expect the typical snark filled responses from a few choice Clinton supporters about this. That being said.....

What Changed?
Suddenly Hillary is deemed to have "clinched" the Democratic nomination, when there has been no real change in the situation.






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[NCTraveler]

1. Clinton received the required number of delegates.

That isn't snark. It's what changed.

[Blue_Adept]

2. Those votes in CA would never be counted?

Oh, come on.

Perhaps there's some sense of that in a state primary where there are no other issues at all going on. But California had a slew of races and initiatives on the ballot. EVERYTHING is going to be counted.

People screaming otherwise repeatedly are like street corner prophets saying the end is nigh, day after day, week after week, and wonder why they're roundly ignored.

[pinebox]

4. Only 3.8 million of 8 million + have been counted

Over a million votes have already been tossed out.

[Hav]

16. That number obviously cannot be true

Everybody can check that more votes than that have already been counted because 3.8 million is close to the number of the Dem race alone. If we also take a look the numbers of the repub race and almost 2.5 millions still left to be counted, it is also very questionable that over a million votes have been tossed out. It just doesn't add up.

[djean111]

3. My ignore list is awesome, so I won't see a lot of the replies here.

I think the DNC and MSM decided there had been enough fucking around with the planned coronation. And, in the event that Bernie pulls ahead somehow, they will drag out that "oh, but to declare a different winner now will be sooooo upsetting!" or some such bullshit.

If things proceed along the same lines as now, I will just drop out of politics. Enjoy my social security while I can.

[pinebox]

5. Yup I agree

What gets me is that Dems could have really opened up the party to so many new people with nominating Bernie. A whole new generation of people and many won't support Hillary either because they see her as part of the problem and not the solution.

Both parties are bleeding people and Hillary doesn't really bring in anybody new to the party. Dems could have had a huge tent, instead they want it small, as small as a Hillary rally apparently.

Heck, I very well may have stayed a Dem if Bernie was nominated but I already changed my affiliation back to Indy.

[redstateblues]

10. ummm-How do you explain that millions more thought Hillary would be a better President?

Apparently all those people at the rallies didn't vote.

[pinebox]

11. In a Dem bubble.

Plain and simple.

The GE electorate is a very different thing and she is the weaker candidate. You can say whatever you want but we've all been through this a million times. Hillary brings nobody new into the party. Many of Bernie's supporters are young indy voters. And many will NOT be voting for Hillary in a GE.

[redstateblues]

8. Because the MSM loves Hillary so much?

Give me a break. One of the MSM's favorite sports is to tear down Hillary. They would have loved to see her lose. They kept Bernie propped up for months to keep their ratings up. Cue the X Files theme.

[pinebox]

9. LOL what news channels are you watching?

It sure isn't the same as the rest of us that's for sure.

CNN and MSNBC were 2 things 24/7....Hillary & Trump.

[redstateblues]

12. Are you kidding? You obviously weren't watching

In the last three months Trump, Bernie and Jane Sanders and Jeff Weaver were on ALL the time. The media tried to make it look like a horse race to keep ratings up-it's all about ad money for them-they don't like Hillary.

[boston bean]

6. I love how these persons always leave out the fact she has more pledged delegates

and millions more in popular vote.

Wake up.

[justiceischeap]

7. But rallies!

That's the cry that usually follows next.

[Squinch]

17. Online polls!!!!!! Enthusiasm!!! White guys who know what's best for everyone!!!!

[SidDithers]

13. Get 'em in while you still can...nt

Sid

[Metric System]

14. This is completely delusional. That's my only comment.

[randome]

15. "The money people". Sure, shadowy forces are always at the root of someone's failure.

A much better prospect than admitting that your candidate lost.

With Sanders going back to Vermont to 'contemplate' his future, and with him even further behind than before, you still cling to this childish fantasy that the world will reboot more to your liking.

Isn't it about time that some of you learned that you don't always get what you want?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Zynx]

18. Because she clinched a majority of elected delegates.

And the super delegates are going to confirm that result. As far as the campaign is convinced, it's over. There is no more primary campaign. Perhaps there's a slim possibility of an exogenous event, but there isn't anything left for the campaign.

[Alex4Martinez]

19. It was clearly an orchestrated anti-democratic process MSM+Clinton Campaign move.

All about the timing, and timed to suppress and influence voting behaviors in California and the other states.

It's beyond creepy.

[Orangepeel]

20. It became literally impossible that Hillary wouldn't have a majority of pledged delegates

Instead of virtually impossible.

[pdsimdars]

21. And another classic . . . .

I agree.

[athena]

25. They would love to have you at FR.

This is not the right place for you.

I'm not sure whether you even realize that pretending that the sixteen million people who voted for Hillary do not exist is offensive. It is not Hillary who is expecting to be "crowned" against the wishes of the people; it is Bernie.

[Tarc]

22. Coincidence that there isn't a single non-white person in the crowd obstructing the path?

Probably not...or at best, unconscious bias on the part of the artist.

The party base isn't what the Bernie fans think it is, unfortunately; I'm sure the point will be completely lost on them, but persons of color have had a crucial hand in nominating the last two Democratic nominees.

[brooklynite]

23. Four days left...

Nice to see the transition is going so smoothly...

[athena]

24. Please edit your post and remove that cartoon.

Unless your goal is to elect President Trump, you should remove that extremely offensive cartoon from your OP. It discounts the voices of the sixteen million people who have voted for HRC and want her to be president of this country. The fact that you and a bunch of other people support BS does not mean the rest of us who support HRC do not exist or do not matter. You are not more important, or more legitimate, or more Democratic, or more liberal than we are just because you support BS.

Please edit your post and remove that cartoon.

[George II]

26. Locked for DM