I feel like we have now officially entered the twilight zone.

[Skwmom]

Upon reading these twitters one young voter said to me - it's like the words are meaningless. I just shrugged because on what basis could I even raise an argument... Does she not get the HUGE disconnect between her words and her actions? As a woman this has been one hell of a disheartening election cycle.

Elizabeth Warren ?@SenWarren 9h9 hours ago

It’s time to take our gov back from special interests & put it where it belongs: in the hands of #WethePeople.


Elizabeth Warren ?@SenWarren 9h9 hours ago

Government should be accountable to the people, not Wall Street lobbyists, deep-pocketed donors, and secretive Super PACs.
703 retweets 1,841 likes

[eastwestdem]

1. Or maybe she doesn't buy into the lies spread by Hillary's opponents. nt

[Zynx]

2. Thisssssssssss!

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Bingo. nt

[Skwmom]

4. Or maybe she's chosen to ignore the truth for her own personal gain. n/t

[MADem]

9. What "personal gain?" She is VERY comfortable already, and VP doesn't pay that well.

We know what HER assets are, because she RELEASED HER TAX RETURNS.

You do know that some people actually believe in the concept of public service?

Clinton is one. Warren is another.


Why is this so hard to acknowledge?

[Skwmom]

13. Oh come on. How many one percenters have been made in the halls of Washington? Plus for some it is

the lure of power. not the money.

[marions ghost]

18. Right power is the drug

--not money so much.

[MADem]

26. She was ALREADY a one percenter before she arrived.

And if you don't think her Senate chair--NOW--is a catbird seat, you haven't been paying attention.

If she serves as VP, it will be because, like Hillary, she believes in doing all the good you can. By all the means you can. In all the ways you can. In all the places you can. At all the times you can. To all the people you can. As long as ever you can.

John Wesley.

She has the maturity of later middle age, the wisdom of several years in public life, and the temperament of someone who will be a great asset to Clinton's administration, no matter what role she plays.

Not everyone gives a shit about sitting on a pile of money. So "Oh, come on" -- altruism IS a motivator for many of us. I'm sorry if you can't see that.

[NJCher]

70. sob

Cher

[MADem]

99. Not sure why you're crying and laughing. I like Warren--she's my Senator and a good one.

[azurnoir]

97. ........... ya illary's campaign team ran one of the 'altruistic' campaigns I've ever seen

[MADem]

100. I am talking about Elizabeth Warren, but you're so eager to be negative you didn't even follow the

doggone convo!

[azurnoir]

101. I was talking about this part of your comment and you are an enthusiastic Hillary supporter right?

or are you saying your support for Clinton is something less than altruistic?

Not everyone gives a shit about sitting on a pile of money. So "Oh, come on" -- altruism IS a motivator for many of us. I'm sorry if you can't see that

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2168863

[MADem]

102. Follow the convo.

Warren was accused of lusting after money and power.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2168649

[azurnoir]

105. I did that's how I reached your comment

[Armstead]

106. Shes my senator and i love her, but....

Anyone can succumb to Beltway Fever

There's something in the air of the seampy Potomac that can infect good people with lust for power and ego gratification

[MADem]

123. She comes home almost every weekend.

She has her priorities in order I think.

[PJMcK]

45. Your cynicism is self-defeating

[dchill]

103. No.

YOURS is.

[spooky3]

129. She and her hubby hold secure positions paying many

Hundreds of thousands annually in academia. Harvard is one of the highest paying universities in the world. Warren & her hubby also have a large portfolio of investments accumulated over a lifetime.

She was a .0001 percenter and very powerful in her field before entering politics. She does not need the job. She has the luxury of being able to do and say whatever she damn pleases.

[missingthebigdog]

44. And under the bus goes Elizabeth Warren

That didn't take long.

[Scootaloo]

52. She can hang out with Bernie, who you guys wrapped around the rear axle back in July

[840high]

55. yep

[pampango]

108. I would not have believed that DU would throw Elizabeth under the bus. Is Bernie next if

he endorses Hillary now or at the convention?

Of course the right accuses liberals of selfishly pushing 'big government' for their own personal political power while conservatives 'sacrifice' personal political power by pursuing smaller government.

[Cosmocat]

111. Joe Scarborough is a man of principle

because one morning in all of his petulant BS he spoke well of Bernie.

Meanwhile, Rachel Maddow is a sell out ...

The transition back to DEMOCRATIC Underground can't comes soon enough.

[Cosmocat]

110. If that was the case

she would have endorsed and campaigned for HRC from day one.

She is getting 100 percent behind the democratic nominee, because the democratic nominee, even that vile HRC, is 1,000 times better than the R nominee.

Had Bernie won the primary, she would have endorsed him yesterday.

[MADem]

5. THERE it is!!! Either Warren is smart, or she's a tool of the corporatists. I think she's SMART.

And she's a damn fine Senator...

But she'd make a fine Vice President, too!!!

[baldguy]

6. +1000

[NanceGreggs]

7. As we've seen here ...

... over the past year, it is somehow easier for Bernie supporters to believe that every individual who supports Hillary has sold out, been threatened, or has been bought-and-paid-for, than to even consider that the RW version of HRC has no basis in reality.

I wonder why it doesn't occur to them that maybe they're wrong and people like Liz Warren, Al Franken, Howard Dean, John Lewis, Gabby Giffords, Rachel Maddow, Joe Biden and Obama have had it right all along.

[MADem]

11. All of those people released THEIR tax returns--they have nothing to hide.

The concept of "public service" is foreign to some bystanders. They always want to assume the worst about people. It's a failing, IMO.

[ciaobaby]

29. Still waiting for the Goldman Sachs transcripts.....

she is definitely hiding something - or she would be proud to release them.

[MADem]

31. Yes, because those are a "requirement" for public office. Please. Thousands of people heard those

speeches. THOUSANDS. If there were anything "good" in 'em we'd know by now.

But keep beating that drum of false equivalence, if you must. It doesn't bother the presumptive nominee in the slightest. You know--the one who has released DECADES of tax returns!



You don't win elections if you don't release your tax returns. That could be why Sanders lost -- because he didn't tell the truth about releasing them. He even had his wife get up and say she'd do it, and then NOT do it.

Sanders had better think long and hard about that--it'll be an issue if he runs again for his seat in 2018 (and he will be primaried, count on it--and likely challenged from the right, too). VT is like a small town, and Bernie, thanks to this run, is "target rich." His opponents will have it easy--a lot of the oppo research is out there on the web, waiting to be plucked and used.

[ciaobaby]

75. I get your point - its "tradition" to see tax returns - but they are not helpful when it comes to

determining if a person is saying one thing to one group and something entirely different thing to another.
If Hillary had nothing to hide about her "pitch" to Wall Street she could easily end the discussion. If she is so very proud of trying to reign in wall street excesses she could easily do that. But no, all I have ever heard her say about what she says to wall street is the time she told them bravely to "cut it out" - well that had absolutely no effect at all as the financial collapse came shortly after she got so tough with her buddies ! HA!
so If you want to focus on tax returns go ahead. I prefer to focus on the details of her relationships with those in power who can bring us to our knees again.

[MADem]

98. It's more than "tradition." It's a way to see where that year of salary plus

that 200K golden parachute ended up. You know, the money Jane got for leaving the school she ran into the ground with her fiscal mismanagement and poor decision making (and she is, and has always been, a "key player" on Sanders' staff--it really is a "two fer" situation with them).

Many people believe that cash is offshore somewhere, or earning money in a Goldman Sachs account -- somewhere that would make the "Do as I say" admonitions of the candidate look a bit hollow.

The fact that this remains a mystery is odd, indeed. Especially after they were PROMISED, months ago.

It really doesn't matter anymore, though--it won't come up again until 2018, when and if Sanders runs for re-election.

[ciaobaby]

119. Very comical !

"many people believe" Yeah - and many people believe the moon is made of cream cheese.
Lets go with what we know - Hillary Rodham Clinton and former president Bill Clinton earned in excess of $25 million for delivering 104 speeches since the beginning of 2014, a huge infusion to their net worth as she was readying for a presidential bid.

The fact remains - she has a very good reason for keeping her wall street speeches out of the public eye.

But that's ok - she is going to be real tough on wall street - she may tell them once more to "cut it out" !

[MADem]

122. You are aptly named. nt

[uponit7771]

12. +1

[NJCher]

71. we're not wrong

It's just that there are so pathetically few decent people in the world.
And it gets smaller and smaller all the time.


Cher

[NanceGreggs]

80. And somehow ...

... all of the once-revered "decent" people suddenly ceased to be "decent" at the very moment they declared their support for Hillary.

What an amazing coincidence. Imagine ALL of those people having fooled everyone for SO long, accepted as progressive champions for YEARS - only to show their "true colors" as sell-outs at the same time they endorsed someone other than the sainted Bernie.

Sad how "a future to believe in" has so quickly devolved into "pathetically few decent people in the world".

[NJCher]

81. you never fooled me

Just sayin'.


Cher

[NanceGreggs]

82. Whatever, sweetie.

It is of no consequence to me.

[BreakfastClub]

8. Exactly. Anyone with any sense knows that Hillary has been viciously and unfairly

attacked by the right wing for 20+ years. When you really look into any of the allegations against her, there is nothing there. Hillary is an incredible person of integrity and true grit, and E. Warren knows it.

[GulfCoast66]

63. Screw that!!

I lived in Arkansas from 76-84.

20 plus years!!! Try 30+ years!! There is no one in political history who has been attacked like this woman.

They started attacking her in 76!!&

[Maru Kitteh]

10. TAAA DAAAA! Elizabeth Warren has a personal relationship with Hillary

She knows her well. That's WHY she supports her, with enthusiasm.

[senz]

15. Elizabeth Warren knows EXACTLY what Hillary Clinton is.

[brooklynite]

17. Indeed she does...

Elizabeth Warren: I hope Hillary Clinton runs for president

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 — the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

The handwriting was on the wall two years ago; you didn't want to see it.

Oh, by the way:

[senz]

30. You can't be that naive.

The quote you gave has been discussed numerous times. It's just so light and breezy; it's how we go along to get along at the office. It is the essence of collegiality. And that is all.

If you want a hint about what Elizabeth Warren actually thinks of Hillary, consider the fact that ALL Senate Democratic women except Elizabeth Warren endorsed Hillary many months ago. She stood out like a sore thumb for being the only one to not endorse Hillary. It was politically risky, an act of courage.

What happened today was a planned action for some end we might understand some day. Both speeches sounded canned.

[brooklynite]

54. So your argument is that Elizabeth Warren is just another sell-out politician...

...well, since I've had cocktails and lunch with her, I'll go with my own assessment.

[senz]

57. 1) She is not sold out. 2) Bragging about who you know is tacky.

[Armstead]

107. Its par for the course...I shook her hand once. She said Hi nice to meet you

It was at a meeting with hundreds of people when she was running for senate....

But hey I can be a player too

[MADem]

124. You think her 2nd meeting at HRC's house this AM was

'canned' too?

[Silver_Witch]

27. Sometimes the door is open

And still people do walk through. I feel like HRC supporters know who she really and is and don't care one wit. President Obama, Senator Warren and Al Franken supporting her does not change my feelings or influcence me at all.

President Obama has been a swell President - with exceptions and Hillary will do as he has done and in addition trade liberty for war. That one is not okay with me.

[senz]

39. Her supporters around here don't care. But I think Obama and Warren have strong

reservations about Hillary. She was a mediocre senator who made some very bad votes and she was a disaster as SOS both in her decisions and her secret email server, an embarrassment to Obama. Warren can't stand the big banks that just happen to be Hill's buddies and major backers. As for Franken, I just don't know but bear in mind that the Clintons exert massive political influence and many on Capitol Hill are afraid of them.

I think Hill would be a far, far worse president than Obama.

[Hiraeth]

48. :I think Obama and Warren have strong View profile reservations about Hillary: I think so, too.

[Silver_Witch]

58. I think exactly that...

I hold no grudge for anyone supporting her at this point. They do what they had to do - I saw a post earlier about the evil the DNC and others do to those that don't follow the party line.

Never have been one to vote based on who others are voting for.

Such is life!

Unity my ass.

[onenote]

68. Did your ouija board tell you that or are you just a mind reader.

[senz]

83. Based on observation, news reports, experience and reflection.

The only time I ever played with a ouija board was with my best friend who owned one. We were about 12 years old at the time and for some reason it kept talking about tampons and boys we liked. Very mysterious.

[840high]

59. I was just thinking - we all know

what Hillary is - some of us care.

[senz]

62. After all these months it finally occurred to me

that her fans don't care because they're the same way. They can't see anything wrong with it.

[840high]

64. Sad.

[840high]

56. .+1

[Chasstev365]

51. "The Lies?" NAME one!

[Maven]

118. Exactly

[Waiting For Everyman]

14. It's pretty surreal.

She said something about holding the rich accountable to the same laws as everyone else (meaning Trump, I assume), and that's when I rolled my eyes, said to myself "oh, but not Hillary, right?", and tuned her out.

We're through the looking glass completely.

Warren lost me last summer, pretty much anyway. She acts brave against Trump, but she was too scared of harming her career to run against Hillary in the primary. Hence, why Bernie had to run. Gutless, when it comes to personal risk, just like some others I used to think had a spine.

[senz]

19. I still like her and think she sees through Hill.

We don't know what's going on.

[pangaia]

32. THAT I agree with.. I also trust her.

And we REALLY do NOT know what is truly going on.. There are layers upon layers upon layers..

[Hiraeth]

49. peels like an onion. would love to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation between Obama

and Sanders.

[senz]

85. Bernie did not sound at all angry or disrespectful. Seems like

it must have been a positive, mutually respectful conversation -- which says nice things about them both.

[rhett o rick]

65. It's hard to fight the Establishment. If you disparage them you might be disenfranchised by

your own party. I believe that Warren has been threatened to sit down and shut up. I know it's hard for her but she didn't help Sanders out for a reason.

[Skwmom]

72. Then she is not the right person to fight for the people. And any power granted to her by the party

is pretty much meaningless.

[riversedge]

20. 6 more days.

[senz]

40. ...until you get a la la land of 24/7 Hill adoration.

[rhett o rick]

66. They have always had that option in the Hillary is Queen Group, but they found it

boring to continually tell each other how wonderful each was. They like to excercise their power by being on the side of the Admins. They like to ridicule and mock and feel the Admins will protect them.

[senz]

87. Yes, have seen precisely that dynamic.

It's quite ... youthful.

I won't miss them.

[snagglepuss]

21. I think you are too hard on her for not running. She most likely

knew that running against Hillary would be a lost cause because the TPTB would be rigging the election so Hill would win.

[senz]

41. Sounds very plausible. They were all set for "her turn."

[Skwmom]

22. I think you have summed up how a lot of people have started to feel.

[Hiraeth]

50. Now, I think Sanders and Warren had a counversation early on and decided that Sanders would pave

the way for Warren.

[mythology]

67. What possible harm could Clinton have done to Warren?

She's got a Senate seat here for as long as she wants it, she's a powerful voice in the Senate, she could easily go back to teaching at Harvard if she wants.

What exactly is the threat that you're saying Clinton has? How long are you going to insist that Clinton is some omnipotent super villain?

[Waiting For Everyman]

74. Ask Liz, she's the one that chickened out.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/hillary-clinton-hit-list-102067

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/195188-hillarys-hit-list

[Lord Magus]

125. BERNIE WAS NOT ENTITLED TO HER ENDORSEMENT.

I am quite sick of Bernie supporters insisting that he was.

[senz]

16. Power politics makes strange demands on people

and it's quite possible there is something else going on behind the scenes.

[Skwmom]

23. Warren might think that but I lean towards she is being played.

[Eric J in MN]

79. Elizabeth Warren is smart. She's pushing her issue of Wall St regulation; she's not being naive. NT

NT

[Skwmom]

94. Well when she praised Clinton's bogus wall street plan that was a HUGE red flag because only

an idiot or a person willing to sellout would call that a praise worthy plan.

[Andy823]

24. You have let go

You can't keep hating everyone that didn't vote for your choice in the race, or those who don't see things as you do. Hell if Bernie can let it go why can't you?

[winter is coming]

28. Glass houses. n/t

[Skwmom]

34. I support Bernie but he does not think for me.

[Andy823]

128. So will you still support him

When he endorses Hillary and helps her beat Trump? I have seen you have a problem accepting Elizabeth Warrens endorsement.

Contrary to what you believe, the world will not end because Bernie lost and Hillary won. She will not turn the country over to the republicans. All this negative thinking is bad for a person, you need to take a break and regroup. It's summer take a vacation.

[840high]

60. Why don't you let go?

[Andy823]

127. Let go of what?

I am not the one who has a problem admitting my guy lost and Hillary won. I do not come here day in and day out posting BS about Bernie. It's like some king of addiction for some here to have to try and outdo the others who hate her.

[840high]

130. The minute you use "hate her" - you lost me. Not agreeing with someones policies is not hate.

[seabeyond]

25. The reason it is the twilight zone is buying into Sanders false hype. Warren Knows what

Clinton stands for and she is smart enough to know Clinton is squarely on the progressive side. The twilight zone is being lead into an illusion that is not true and that Sanders could not back.

[Skwmom]

33. The only reason it is an illusion is because of our corrupt system. A corrupt system that is

destroying this country and the hopes of future generations.

[seabeyond]

38. I am not arguing that. I am arguing the fact the poster is flabbergasted that Warren could say that

and support Clinton. That is the wool pulled over peoples eyes, that Sanders perpetrated to the masses. Smearing Clinton in a ways she is not. Warren know this. She knows what Clinton has stood for, what she has proposed and she knows Clinton is after the same she is.

Warren has facts on her side, something Sanders never had. From day one of false accusations, he had no facts.

[Pisces]

35. Yawn, your posts are wearing as thin as TRUMPS SCHTICK

[840high]

61. No one is forcing you to read.

[djean111]

109. Thanks for giving me a chance to update my ignore list!

For as brief a time as I will be using it, anyway!

[reformist2]

36. This is called taking one for the team. Hillary is awful, but Liz believes Team D is the way to go.

[senz]

43. Yes, something like that. Warren needs to work with Democrats after the election.

[gordianot]

37. I think people are scared if not they should be.

It does not matter who won or lost. This election is not something I look forward to happening it is going to be vicious. I remember what happened last time politicians said bring it on.

[Buzz cook]

42. Warren waited till Clinton locked the nomination

If she was a sell out whore as some here are suggesting, she should have sold out a few months ago.

No matter who the nominee is, what she tweeted is true. No matter who the nominee is the actions we the people can take to change government are still in our hands.

[senz]

46. Yes, I think her heart is still with us. She has to do what she has to do

but she'll still be on our side.

[Buzz cook]

47. On both our sides nt

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[JonLeibowitz]

84. You are the enemy of our enemy, so a current ally. However, corporate Dems are also an enemy

We might want to wait to wage war against them only after Trump is defeated, however.

Make no mistake, we see who the enemy is.

[Buzz cook]

121. I am not your enemy.

This is the internet. Enemies is a bit lofty for verbal squabbling.

[Scootaloo]

53. Politicians do politics

It would be more than a little weird, at this point, for Warren to keep sitting on her endorsement. And it would be just as weird, after all the votes, to endorse the guy who's clearly not going to be the nominee.

What's she going to do? She's a Democrat, she's going to endorse the party's nominee. And I don't like it, you don't like it, i'll bet you a dollar Warren doesn't like it, but that nominee is going to be Clinton.

Warren's endorsement is expected, to the point of pretty much being mandatory at this point. So she gives it. If you think that's going to keep her from doing the things we love her for, well... I don't share that sentiment.

[Skwmom]

89. Don't spout hollow words. Where in the hell was she when people were trying to take this govt back

from the special interests? Sitting on the sidelines worrying about her damn political career.

[Scootaloo]

95. Easy there, I'm not coming at you.

We're not done. A presidential campaign is coming to a close, but that doesn't close hte book. If you put everything on just one person, you're never going to get what you want.

[Eric J in MN]

104. I think Warren was neutral until today

...because she wants to be VP and that way she could be VP for whoever got the nomination.

[onenote]

69. One could use this thread to teach a semester long seminar in projection

[Skwmom]

88. The time would be much better spent teaching about the fourth estate sellouts.

[onenote]

90. It is tough when they report news you don't want to hear.

But fortunately, they don't take commands from political parties that think they can tell them how to report.

[Skwmom]

93. OMG seriously? The corporate media is one big giant super pac for the corporate politicians.

[onenote]

114. Then we are in agreement:

The media did the right thing not kowtowing to the DNC's request that they not report SD commitments.

[senz]

92. Some of us attempt to understand what's going on and why

people act the way they do.

It's fun, try it sometime.

[msongs]

73. bernie is not news anymore nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

76. You have been there a long time.

[qdouble]

77. The twilight zone is having tons of people on a democratic site, who

now hate every democrat except one man who became a democrat less than a year ago. Some will hate him too after next week.

[seabeyond]

112. Ya know? Too true! Nt

[Eric J in MN]

78. The way to read those Elizabeth Warren tweets isn't

..."I'm sure Hillary Clinton will regulate Wall Street no matter what."

The way to read those tweets is:

..."I'm not sure Hillary Clinton will regulate Wall Street and so I want to do everything I can to encourage her to."

[Skwmom]

91. Like Clintons telling Wall Street to cut it out. Yeah, we see how well that worked.

[stillwaiting]

126. I actually agree with you, but

I can see HRC reading those tweets in private, cackling hysterically, and saying "tell me something real".

I truly wish I did not feel this way about her, but she has given me many, many reasons to feel this way.

Hopefully, EW can get her to do the right thing occasionally.

[AzDar]

86. K & R

[RandySF]

96. The Wheels On The Bus

The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round
'round and 'round, 'round and 'round
the wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round, all over Liz.

[Tarc]

113. Under the bus Warren goes!

[NCTraveler]

115. Warren kicks ass!!! Nt

[DCBob]

116. Only to someone blinded by bias.

[Skwmom]

117. There is someone blind to the disconnect between actions and words and it's not me.

[nolabels]

120. When you turn the faucet handle does water come out?

Yea, it is like the twilight zone. Thank goodness i can still go over get my Filet-o-Fish on Fridays

[XRubicon]

131. Naive. You should look that word up

Maybe after you learn it you could help your young friend to understand how adult life really works.