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Pundit accountability: The official 2012 election prediction thread

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Pundit accountability: The official 2012 election prediction thread

Posted by Brad Plumer on November 5, 2012 at 4:39 pm


There are a lot of predictions floating around out there about who will win the presidential election on Tuesday. So why not round them all up in one place?

Place your bets, folks.

Here are the electoral vote predictions from various modelers, political scientists and pundits from around the Internet. All predictions are as of Monday evening. And yes, this will be a fun thread to revisit the day after the election:

Nate Silver, FiveThirtyEight: Obama 307, Romney 231. ”The model estimates that Mr. Romney would need to win the national popular vote by about one percentage point to avert a tossup, or a loss, in the Electoral College,” Silver writes.

Sam Wang, Princeton Election Consortium: Obama 303, Romney 235. “In terms of EV or the Meta-margin, {Obama has} made up just about half the ground he ceded to Romney after Debate #1.”

Drew Linzer, Emory University: Obama 326, Romney 212. “The accuracy of my election forecasts depend on the accuracy of the presidential polls,” Linzer writes. ”As such, a major concern heading into Election Day is the possibility that polling firms, out of fear of being wrong, are looking at the results of other published surveys and weighting or adjusting their own results to match.”

Michael Barone, The Examiner: Romney 315, Obama 223. “Both national and target state polls show that independents, voters who don’t identify themselves as Democrats or Republicans, break for Romney.”

Ezra Klein, The Washington Post: Obama 290, Romney 248. “I have a simple rule when predicting presidential elections: The polls, taken together, are typically pretty accurate. Systemic problems, while possible, aren’t likely.”

Larry Sabato, UVA Center for Politics: Obama 290, Romney 248. “Who could have imagined that a Frankenstorm would act as a circuit-breaker on the Republican’s campaign, blowing Romney off center stage for three critical days in the campaign’s last week, while enabling Obama to dominate as presidential comforter-in-chief, assisted by his new bipartisan best friend, Gov. Chris Christie (R)?”

Josh Putnam, Davidson College: Obama 332, Romney 206. ”Everything above is based on a graduated weighted average of polls in each state conducted in 2012,” Putnam wrote in explaining his methodology. “The weighting is based on how old a poll is. The older the poll is the more it is discounted. The most recent poll is given full weight.”

Jay Cost, Weekly Standard: Romney victory. “For two reasons,” Cost writes. “(1) Romney leads among voters on trust to get the economy going again. (2) Romney leads among independents.”

Philip Klein, The Examiner: Obama 277, Romney 261. “I’ve given Romney the states that are essentially tied, in which he’s led in at least some recent polls. But in states where Romney has trailed in nearly all polls, and in some cases by a comfortable margin, I’m giving them to Obama.”

Ross Douthat, New York Times: Obama 271, Romney 267. ” In general, I think that the political class tends to overestimate the power of the Hispanic bloc, whose influence is growing more slowly than many pundits and strategists acknowledge. In general, I think that the political class tends to overestimate swing voters’ sympathy for strident social liberalism, and to imagine a lockstep support for legal abortion among female voters that doesn’t actually exist.”

Jamelle Bouie, The American Prospect: Obama 303, Romney 235. “{I}f Obama wins on Tuesday, the political science on debates will have won out; they can shift the short-term situation, but they don’t fundamentally change the direction of an election.”

George Will, The Washington Post: Romney 321, Obama 217. “ I guess the wild card in what I’ve projected is I’m projecting Minnesota to go for Romney. Now, that’s the only state in the union, because Mondale held it — native son Mondale held it when Romney was — when Reagan was getting 49 states — the only state that’s voted Democratic in nine consecutive elections. But this year, there’s a marriage amendment on the ballot that will bring out the evangelicals and I think could make the difference.”

Ben Domenech, The Transom: Romney 278, Obama 260. “In sum, I see the bottom slipping out from under Obama’s feet, and a campaign hoping to hold on just long enough to salvage a slim victory, one where he is almost certain to lose the popular vote. He is underperforming among whites and independents, and particularly among those likeliest to vote. I have never believed in running the prevent defense, and Obama has been running it for months.”

Dick Morris, FoxNews: Romney 325, Obama 213. ”It will be the biggest surprise in recent American political history,” Morris said. “It will rekindle the whole question on why the media played this race as a nailbiter where in fact Romney’s going to win by quite a bit.”

Jim Cramer, CNBC: Obama 440, Romney 98. Here’s a tweet from Cramer: “No one is going to recall the guy who picks Obama by 10 electorals if it turns out to be 150 margin. Believe me.”

Dean Chambers, UnskewedPolls.com: Romney 311, Obama 227. “Many others in the media project very favorable maps and projections for Obama but those doing so fail to realize or accept how heavily-skewed polls distort any average or analysis that relies on them.”

Did we miss any notable predictions? Let us know. And be sure to add yours in comments.

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babylonsister Nov 2012 OP
dracutfire Nov 2012 #1
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reflection Nov 2012 #6
corkhead Nov 2012 #2
spooky3 Nov 2012 #14
Marsala Nov 2012 #18
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #20
Cali_Democrat Nov 2012 #3
DCKit Nov 2012 #10
geek tragedy Nov 2012 #5
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courseofhistory Nov 2012 #8
Coyotl Nov 2012 #9
spooky3 Nov 2012 #11
spooky3 Nov 2012 #12
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spooky3 Nov 2012 #15
Cha Nov 2012 #16
leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #17
davidpdx Nov 2012 #19

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:23 PM

1. Obama won't win by more than 25 electoral votes

I am a bit concerned about the last minute efforts of Christian Evangelical groups, which includes an big under-the-radar attempt to mobilize working class white Christians who might not have shown up in polling otherwise, and also spread their message virally through Facebook. Where I live a lot of people are voting for Romney, and I am in northern Massachusetts..

Here is my post about this.
http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/11/last-minute-romney-surge-nmb-fmwb-poll/

My guess is that Obama wins, by a margin of 20 votes and the results are not known for 3 days after the election!

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Response to dracutfire (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:27 PM

4. Why wouldn't working class white Christians show up in polling?

Sounds like most of us.

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Response to dracutfire (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:34 PM

6. Welcome to DU

What a great first post. This is a theory floated by Rush Limbaugh, that Christian Evangelicals for some reason don't show up on polling cross-sections. I know because the dittohead I have to sit near listens to Rush.

You must sit next to one also.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:23 PM

2. Not sure who is more insane, George Will or Jim Cramer

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Response to corkhead (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:05 PM

14. now you know - it's George Will - by a landslide!

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Response to corkhead (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:03 PM

18. Will. Cramer was deliberately being outrageous. n/t

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Response to corkhead (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:52 PM

20. Cramer was close than Barone, Will and Morris

and that was when he was trying to say something unique.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:23 PM

3. Bookmarked

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:36 PM

10. For real. These predictions need to be reposted after the election...

 

and compared to the actual, final numbers.

I'm sure Fox Snooze will finally be vindicated of all the evil things we've ever said about them.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:29 PM

5. What about Karl Rove? nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:36 PM

7. Wow..just extremely diverse predictions. Have to

bookmark this to compare after all the Votes are actually counted!

Thanks babylonsistah

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:40 PM

8. How do these compare to their previous predictions? Thanks! n/t

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:49 PM

9. Made my "official" prediction Oct. 27

***** Official Pre-Election Electoral College Vote = Predictions Thread *****
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021644060

Get yours in before it is too late!

I'm not sure about Indiana nad Missouri at this point, because the polls say i am wrong. But, I thought we would see a powerful anti-rape, anti-Alkin/Mourdock vote coattail for the Dems. In AZ, polling under-represents the Hispanic vote, which can help Obama in Florida and other states too.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:45 AM

11. Great thread - glad Plumer pulled these together.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:28 AM

12. Let the SNARK begin!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:27 AM

13. George Will and accountability have never gone together

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:09 PM

15. Take a look at this "Pundarts" dart board and see who is in the reality based world:

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:26 PM

16. Look at that those BLUE Darts!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:09 PM

17. Dick Morris is richer than most of us in this topic put together.

 

Fuck the 1%.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:41 AM

19. davidpdx

The 332 figure accounts for the shift in electoral votes from the 2010 US Census

plus the potential loss of IN, NC and 1 EV in NE (Note: I strongly believe those two states will flip back). All of the other states would remain the same as 2008. I don't honestly thing there are any states Obama can flip and if it did happen it will be a complete surprise like in 2008 (NC was the big shocker in that one).



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=97721

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