I think this is GD, but just in case; Hillary...STOP YELLING!

[Atman]

I've heard lots of discussions about this...it's okay for men to yell, but not women, so if we criticize Hillary Clinton's shrill yelling, it's because we're misogynist pigs. But, I promise you, it is nothing of the sort!

Hillary Clinton needs to tone down the yelling!

Trump doesn't yell. Bernie kinda whines, but he doesn't yell. But, when Hillary Clinton gets on a roll she starts YELLING, in a horrible, shrill, unpleasant monotone. Face facts, people. Listen to her. She YELLS where she doesn't need to. Ironically, it was my wife who really pointed this out, listening to a recent speech. As she made her point, Hillary's voice heightened and got louder and she started YELLING. Not speaking, she was yelling at her audience. She didn't/doesn't need to do this. Bernie doesn't yell. Elizabeth doesn't yell. Even Donald doesn't yell. But when Hillary gets cranked up, she YELLS, and it is most obnoxious, and a real down-side for many people.

So there, I said it. So shoot me.

[onecaliberal]

1. It's not called for, all ten of her audience members can hear her fine.

[Jack Bone]

2. always made me wanna...

[Fast Walker 52]

3. some candidates yell to emphasize dramatic points-- Bill Clinton was great at that

Hillary, not so much.

[politicaljunkie41910]

47. I think Bernie's shouting is annoying as well so this is obviously sexist in nature.

[kayakjohnny]

76. Get off it already.

[geek tragedy]

4. oh look, a man scolding Hillary about her voice.

[libdem4life]

7. Oh wait, someone forgot about the Dean Scream?

[geek tragedy]

17. did women lecture Howard Dean throughout his career to lower his voice? nt

[libdem4life]

26. I dont't know. Apparently you're inferring that people have told her to

lower her voice in her career? I missed that. So apparently she didn't take the advice.

I'm in her demographic, and was even a school teacher of a bunch of little kids, and never felt the need to raise my voice. There was one time when a kid darted out in the street...the entire school heard me.

So, please don't brush all of us with a sexist, apologist brush. No one needs to yell to get their point across. It does not become either sex...thus, my reference to the career-ending (male) Dean Scream.

[jack_krass]

119. If he did that scream his whole career then fuck yes, they would.have

HRC has a habbit of breaking into a monotonic scowl when she thinks she's making a profound point. Its more annoying than her fame southern drawl

[Peachhead22]

99. I bet when Dean looks back he wishes...

...he had a bunch of people tell him "You know, sometimes when you get a little excited and your voice raises, maybe you let out a little scream or something to show your enthusiasm? Yeah, don't do that."

People who are pointing out things in Hillary's public speaking are offering constructive criticism. If Democrats see it, especially ones invested enough to be on this board, you can be damn sure average voters and the 'Pubs she's trying to attract see it. And you aren't going to be able to shame them into voting for her just by calling them sexist.

You know, if Hillary and her supporters are going to summarily dismiss good intentioned advice and observations, even on little stuff, it doesn't bode well for her's or all of ours future.

[libdem4life]

121. I'm afraid her attention span with people who aren't holding out large

checks or those in her "circle", is pretty short, if not non-existent. She lives to "summarily dismiss". Sorry, but it's the history.

I'll never forget the video of her pointing and literally punching a woman in the chest who deigned to ask her a difficult question. She was smiling, then heard the question, started screaming and poked the woman. That's why she must be in controlled circumstances, IMO. I was shocked.

[Atman]

11. Why am I surprised?

Even though I tried to explain in my OP, I still get shit like this.

I'm not "mansplaining" anything. I'm making a valid point. I think I stated pretty clearly, none of the other candidates do this, Carly Fiorina didn't do this. Sarah Palin was annoying as hell, but she didn't YELL at her audience. Clinton YELLS. Stuff it into your little men-hate-women bubble all you want, but Hillary Clinton has a horrible, shrill speaking style that is very grating to a lot of people.

But then, what do I know about anything...I'm just a man, so my opinion and observations can't be valid.

[geek tragedy]

19. no, you're a man telling a woman to lower her voice nt

[libdem4life]

27. Sexist...who cares which gender. Old school.

[Raine1967]

23. You are manslpaining. You gave excuses Sanders and Trump.

and in this post you are excusing others with the famous *but* --

This is classic mansplaining.

I will respond no more.

[Atman]

33. Absolutely WRONG mis-read of my post.

I made NO EXCUSES for Trump or Sanders. None. You are projecting your bullshit onto my post.

Hillary-splaining.

[Demit]

38. You're a man who prefers that women be soft-spoken.

When you say things like stuff it into your "little" bubble, that's you trying to minimize or diminish what other people think. Calling a female speaker's voice "shrill" (twice) is another tell. So many conservative writers have called Paul Krugman "shrill" (in his writing!) as a putdown that, on liberal blogs, it has become an internet meme.

Of course you think your point is valid. You don't like Hillary Clinton. She contradicts your idea of femininity. She says things you don't like and she has the audacity to say them forcefully. Trying to bolster your position by citing that your wife agrees with you (she's a woman so that cinches it!) is a weird kind of arguing from authority. Many women have the idea of how women "should" sound, or act, and amazingly enough it corresponds to what men, particularly their husbands, think.

[Atman]

57. No. You are simply wrong.

You are a woman trying to diminish my valid observations about a professional speaker.

There is a dictionary definition of "shrill." Surprise as may be to you, it does not mean "Men who hate Hillary." It is a tone. If many people think Hillary has a shrill tone (I'm certainly not the only one), maybe you should look at that, instead of trying to tell everyone that they shouldn't question Hillary.

Voice coaches exist for a reason.

[Demit]

68. I'm not telling everyone 'they shouldn't question Hillary' and you know that.

I'm pointing out the tells in your criticisms. Of course you're not the only one who calls people whom they don't like "shrill." Your fellow critics in earnestly valid helpfulness are all over the internet, as well as in print.

I don't think you hate Hillary. You just would prefer her to hew more closely to your idea of how a woman should act and sound. You want to mold her.

[Atman]

70. I made no comment as to how a woman should act.

Never. Not once. I think Hillary Clinton is acting just fine. My problem is with her horrible speaking style. Why can the Hillary supporters see the difference? This isn't about "women." This is about one women who is running for president, and who happens to deliver horrible, shrill speeches when she cranks up.

That's all. Why make something more of it?

[larkrake]

101. Give it a rest. She gave up her gender years ago

[mcar]

102. What does this even mean?

[renate]

104. in what way?

I'm trying to think of a way to put a positive, non-misogynistic meaning on your statement, but I'm not succeeding.

[puffy socks]

50. Raising your voice ov er the cheering crowd isnt yelling.

But please continue pretending you have made a good point. Because God knows it soo important.

and I Guess you missed Trump yelling to get protesters out ..

yeah he never yells --His talking is yelling.

[Chemisse]

61. Seriously? They ALL yell(ed). All of them.

And yelling is annoying, in general.

But why single out Clinton's yelling? There's where the perceived sexism rolls on in.

[Armstead]

75. Have you ben listening to the MSM discussions of her speech last week

A common theme among the gushing over her speech was that she was not yelling, as she often does.

And this was from people pumping her up and praising the speech...Males and females.

[geek tragedy]

79. Yes, the point was she was talking like a president not a candidate.

President Obama talked a lot different than candidate Obama did.

[Armstead]

80. Whatever that reason...was not "mansplaining"

[geek tragedy]

84. asdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/male-pundits-hillary-clinton_us_56e8bc99e4b0860f99daecf6

If there’s one thing I know as a man, it’s that women love it when men publicly police women’s tone and tell them to smile.

A number of male pundits put this axiom to the test on Tuesday, offering some totally friendly, not-at-all sexist advice to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as she delivered a victory speech following Democratic presidential primary wins in Florida, Ohio and North Carolina.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-yelling-shouting_us_56b47ebee4b01d80b245d417

People Won’t Stop Criticizing Hillary Clinton For Raising Her Voice

The male presidential candidates have not received the same level of scrutiny.

http://time.com/4260665/hillary-clinton-shouting/

Hillary Clinton Speaks, Male Pundits Hear ‘Shouting’

A very good suggestion is for men to not publicly police women's voices unless they're judges on a singing competition. Just don't.

[Armstead]

116. No one ever polices Sanders vocal tone

No siree bob

[geek tragedy]

117. maybe the finger-wagging, not the vocal tone

as a general rule, policing a woman's voice is something men should steer WELL clear of.

it's one of those "maybe I won't come off as a douchey sexist but why take the risk" type of things.

see also: telling a woman she should smile more

[tularetom]

5. It's all fake, just like almost everything else she does

If you asked her WHY she wants to be president, I doubt that she could give you a coherent answer. So I think she substitutes volume for conviction. If she yells loud enough, some people might think she actually means what she says. And that she stands for something beyond simply "being" president.

[upaloopa]

6. Use the mute or off button

Hillary deosn't need your campaign advice. I was at one of her rallies last Saturdsy. We enjoyed it.

[PepperHarlan]

10. Yes, the poster should take a look at the scoreboard.

Not looking good for Bernard.

[Peachhead22]

103. You do realize she's running for President, right?

Not just the Democratic candidate in the GE. Don't sprain your shoulder patting yourself on the back if she becomes the presumed nominee or outright nominee. That's one small step in a long, difficult journey.

[PepperHarlan]

118. Right

But Sanders fans aren't giving up the fight, so we're still talking primary here! One can't have it both ways

[glowing]

45. That's so funny, I spent nearly 8 yrs with Bush on mute.

So sad that Dems are going to have 4 yrs where people again are muting he tv.

[elleng]

8. They have to 'yell' from time to time.

Anyone recall Governor O'Malley being admonished for daring to try to be heard?

[Peacetrain]

12. I had someone tell me that again the other day

arrffggghhhhhh... they were all verklempt about his speaking style.. it was too soft.. sigh..

[elleng]

13. Right, too much of a gentleman!

GRRR!!!

[Peacetrain]

16. Yep... forget about what he has to say

his positions, the things he had done.. lets get all over him about his speaking style.. God give me strength

[Atman]

18. Remember when it was perfectly OK on DU to make fun of Ben Carson's speaking style?

Oh, he was a man. And a Republican. Or something.

Tell me you're really going after me because of like, Hillary.

If your hair doesn't stand on end when she reaches the crescendo of her talking points, where she is YELLING, SCREAMING in that shrill, gravely monotone, then you've tune out reality. She is simply not a good orator, especially after hearing President Obama delivering beautiful, eloquent, impassioned speeches without screaming at his audience.

[Demit]

44. Shrill (third time you used the word) AND gravelly?

Screaming in a monotone? These descriptions are incoherent, except they say so much about you.

[PepperHarlan]

9. In other words: "stifle yourself".

[Atman]

14. No. Not at all.

I never said Hillary Clinton should stifle herself. I said her YELLING is very harsh and annoying. It would be harsh and annoying if Trump or Sanders did it, or anyone else. I could give a shit about her gender, and you people trying to make this out to be something it is not. It is NOT about "Hillary" and her gender. It is about a candidate with a horrible, shrill speaking voice.

[moriah]

15. You believe Trump doesn't yell.

[Atman]

21. That's Trump's regular tone of voice.

He is obnoxious all the time, any tone of voice. He yells when he's want people thrown out of his rallies. He doesn't yell in an elevated shrill when he's trying to pump up a talking point, like Hillary does.

[moriah]

29. So she's not allowed to speak passionately. Or without enough emotion.

She's not allowed to laugh -- everyone hates the "cackle", but she certainly can't cry.

She can't smile -- it's a smirk, or keep a neutral expression (frowning/mad).

How about this. Instead of telling women how to speak or focusing just on tone of voice, focus on what she has to say? I'd have a lot more respect if that was your objection to her, rather than her tone or delivery.

[Atman]

36. Where did I mention laughing or smiling?

How about this; I'm not telling women how to speak. I'm making the observation that a particular woman running for president has a horrible speaking voice, at least when she starts yelling.

[moriah]

43. If you want a small clip of the various ways...

... this argument has been used in the media, here's an example so you understand more what I am referencing.

That's just from 2008, so this argument is old. Extremely.

Also, you might enjoy this article, as it also explains the pressures I was referring to by the media and the public regarding her tone, expressions, body language, and delivery.

Sorry, but when you repeat a talking point used by assholes in the 2008 video, it makes you sound like them, even if you aren't. The later article is from this election and gives more context to my point.

[Atman]

46. No, I don't. I'm not even watching your Fox "News" link. Totally different.

I've seen the Fox bullshit. We're not talking about the same things. I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about her speaking style. When she gets excited and trails off a sentence by raising her voice and SCREAMING and YELLING. This is not at all the same as what the Fox goons are talking about when they say "tone it down." I'm not saying that...I love the passion, the excitement. I hate the delivery. SHE IS A BAD SPEAKER.

[Duval]

59. I agree with you.

But, any time anyone says anything negative about Hillary, he/she gets attacked. It's really too bad we can no longer have discussions without unwarranted misconceptions and comments.

[moriah]

60. If you won't even watch for the part where this HORRIBLY annoying sounding man...

... is saying Hillary and most women sound terrible when we raise our voice.... the irony is dripping there.. and that's from tbe Women's Media Center with far more than just Fox.

Then you aren't going to see your own sexism even if it's shown.

Guess you didn't read the article from Salon, either, but at this point you've lost the argument because you are refusing to consider the evidence I present. At least I'm not automatically assuming you are refusing just because I happen to be female. I think it's more that you realize that you're losing the argument and so gave up.

But that's okay.

[Atman]

67. Oh, for FUCKS SAKE!

I'm I being too impassioned as a man now? This is not about "women raising their voice." Get that straight! I have worked for and with women virtually my entire life, from the fashion industry to politics. Gabby Giffords was a tough one. I'm not talking about women speaking out or raising their voice. Get that through your head! I'm talking about a particular woman running for public office who happens to YELL and SCREAM. It has nothing to do with "women." It has to do with the particular person about which I first posted. Stop playing the universal victim!

[moriah]

72. Please give me a clip of her "yelling" and "screaming"...

... vs speaking passionately and not having proper sound booth personnel fixing things.

And the worst I was potentially implying was you're more being too arrogant to consider other viewpoints.

Here's a website for research if you'd like to present evidence yourself.


https://hillaryspeeches.com/

I submit the Oakland speech as mine.

[Haveadream]

24. +1

[yellowcanine]

20. Trump doesn't yell? Okay.

That must have been someone else I heard then.

[Peachhead22]

110. Shhh

We don't want to give Trump helpful advice. We don't want him to get better as a candidate. That's not our job. In fact that's the opposite of our job. KnowwhutImean?

[NCTraveler]

22. It absolutely dives into sexism.

You describe Clinton as shrill, unpleasant, obnoxious, monotone, unnecessarily yelling.

In the same breath you say this individual never yells. Just whines a bit. Well, you actually falsely say both men don't yell.

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[Atman]

31. You know what dives into sexism? You saying it dives into sexism.

I'm effectively being denied any voice to criticize Hillary Clinton.

(BTW, I'll vote for her, no prob).

I work in politics. I make suggestions to candidates in regards to design and message. This is not a flippant, unconsidered opinion. Hillary Clinton has a horrible speaking voice, and if I had close access as an advisor, I plead with her to tone it down and stop yelling. It has nothing to do with her gender. Not one thing. I'd say the same thing to Bernie.

What dives into sexism is saying that as a male, I am not allowed to observe the behavior of a female even if that behavior is blatantly obnoxious. I respect your defense of Hillary Clinton. She is a strong candidate. I'm merely saying she could be much stronger if she stopped yelling. Can I say it one more time?...it has nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with marketing and personality, two pretty big aspects of American politics.

[NCTraveler]

34. You are being denied nothing.

You didn't even respond to the content of my post. It's your blatantly dishonest depiction of Sanders in comparison that hits on the sexism.

[Atman]

39. You posted a picture.

He could have been ordering a plate of nachos. My comments were about actual Clinton speeches, not 1/1000th of a second pictures of someone's facial expressions.

[NCTraveler]

40. You have to be kidding.

You really do. I don't expect sticking up for this op to be pretty.

[mcar]

105. Right. Saying something is sexist is sexist

I really have seen it all on DU this primary season.

[seabeyond]

85. That is Atmans point. He has been working this a couple days. Anyone pretend Sanders doesn't scream

Playing us.

[NCTraveler]

87. Are they being serious or doing a parody?

The line above where they paint themselves as being oppressed makes me think it's a bad joke.

[seabeyond]

89. He is doing the sexist dog whistles to declare we ALWAYS play the victim card. Nt

.

[NCTraveler]

91. But these aren't dog whistles.

It's straight up blatant sexism. That why I thought it might be a parody. They put the whistle away and are yelling from the rooftop.

[seabeyond]

93. Ya, but it really Clintons fault if we say something because we dxpect her coddled. It is a rough

World out there. Clinton is weak and NEVER rises above sexism. The world will make her cry.

It is stupid and in face insulting and a game Batman is enjoying presently.

[moriah]

107. It might be an example of Poe's Law in action, but...

... I genuinely think he doesn't get it.

It's like the people who thought the Sock Obama was appropriate because they'd also made a "sock McCain".

What happens is that when Hillary is speaking over applause or gets passionate, her vocal register goes up. Some men perceive the higher pitch and a slightly raised volume as "yelling".

https://newrepublic.com/article/121643/why-do-so-many-people-hate-sound-hillary-clintons-voice

[mcar]

106. Oh, but he's just being passionate!

Let's get it straight, sea, men are impassioned, women are shrill and shrieking.

And, if you say this smacks of sexism, you are sexist.

[seabeyond]

112. Ya that is a constant argument. a woman speaks up means she is weak. And mommy issues.

You hear men talk about it often. Mom was the boss. She yelled. Grown men just can't handle a woman yelling. It grates.

[mcar]

115. I guess they have "baggage"

[KingFlorez]

25. I have never heard her yell

It's Sanders who is always yelling until his voice is shot.

[davidlynch]

28. There is a certain nails-on-chalkboard quality to it...

Really as a person that knows a lot about vocals and audio recording, Hillary's issue could be fixed. She needs to lower her larynx, a technical trick that opera singers use. She tends to speak with her larynx sky high and because of this she tends to sound like a squealing hyena. The problem can be solved easily.

[Atman]

41. HEAVEN FORBID! COMMON SENSE! I feeling faint!

My points exactly. No, I'm just a misogynist pig, I couldn't have a valid point even though I'm voting for Hillary. Nope...I'm must be an evil Bernie Bro because I question anything Hillary does.

Thank you. Hillary's voice is SHRILL. I don't care how much you love her, she just needs a serious speech coach.

[seabeyond]

86. Mommy when you were in trouble?

[Maru Kitteh]

30. SBS yelled, shouted and practically screamed non-stop.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2016/01/19/why-is-bernie-yelling-at-me/

But thanks for today's heapin'-helpin' of mansplaining to us. Don't know what we'd do without it.

[MFM008]

32. This is your biggest complaint?

you ought to hear me.
My mother could yell loud enough when I was a kid I could hear her across town yelling to come home.

[Smarmie Doofus]

35. She YELLS. Even Thatcher didn't yell.

Mussolini yelled. So did ...... well....you know who.

You're asking people to "face facts".

Whoa. Are YOU in the wrong place, or WHAT?

[Atman]

48. I'm in the wrong place? Been here longer than you.

I'm pretty much as liberal/Democrat as you're gonna get.

Wrong place? Nope. Not me.

[Ned_Devine]

66. I think SD was taking your side...

...but saying that asking HRC supporters to face facts may be a fool's errand, hence "the wrong place" comment

[LibDemAlways]

37. Agree completely. I personally

cannot stand her public speaking voice. It's either a flat monotone with every syllable pronounced as though she's a kindergarten teacher or she becomes a shrill scolding mother of an errant child. It's terribly off putting. And when she's feeling uncomfortable, she cackles. Just all around bad.

And I know she's going to regret the barking. We'll see it more than once in Republican ads for certain.

[jehop61]

42. Sexism at its most blatant

Poor baby, she's at a rally with many supporters shouting. Why are you bothered by a strong woman voicing, strongly, her ideas?

[Vinca]

51. It's not sexism, it's style. Yelling doesn't work for her.

When she gave the Trump speech she was, for the most part, fairly normal in tone and look at the rave reviews. Today she's back to yelling. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop! It drives people nuts.

[Atman]

53. Have you heard Obama shouting like that?

At the most boisterous rallies, have you heard Obama going over-the-top shouting? Impassioned, sure? YELLING?

Maybe I was sleeping the eight years. I don't recall this being a common speaking style of one of the best presidential speakers in my lifetime. You can raise your voice...you don't have to be shrill. That's why there is an entire industry dedicated to voice coaching. If you deny some people need voice coaches, then I'll buy your argument. Some people just have bad speaking voices. It doesn't mean that the people who point it out are misogynist Hillary-haters. If you only knew!

[mcar]

108. And here we are again

When President Obama raises his voice, he's impassioned. When HRC raises hers, she's shrill.

Nothing sexist there, nope, nothing at all.

[hrmjustin]

49. Sanders yells. Rather annoyingly.

[Duval]

52. I put the TV on mute or simply change the channel.

I really cannot stand her shrill yelling.

[choie]

55. She's a horrible public speaker

[snagglepuss]

56. She uses yelling as a substitute for passion. Hillary is too calculating to be passionate.

[apcalc]

58. Bernie is almost always yelling, as is Trump.

[Starry Messenger]

62. Aww, you're just a little helper, ain't ya.

[lunamagica]

64. "I like when Bernie yells, but not when Hillary does" -SNL

[Demsrule86]

65. Don't you all just love

Being told that your "tone" is annoying or you 'yell' by a mansplaining guy who wags his finger in your face and only wants to help you. I love guys...have a great hubs and wonderful son...but I despise the misogynist types who use dog whistle speech to put women down.

[renate]

69. I'm a woman and a feminist and I agree with you

When she made her speech last Thursday that everyone has agreed took Trump down many, many, many notches--a speech that was almost universally praised from the left, including by most of Bernie's supporters because it was so damn effective at attacking Trump--she spoke calmly and at a normal speaking volume. It was so much more impressive that way... much more like a president and less like a candidate, I guess.

It's unfortunate but true that, for most people, a higher tone of voice is just more irritating; I'm a woman with a high tone of voice and even I can acknowledge that. It's not sexist. Who would you rather listen to, or who sounds more serious--Victoria Jackson or Kathleen Turner? When Dick Cheney spoke, it was nauseating but it was almost mesmerizing because he spoke in such a low voice and was so quiet and so sure of what he was saying. It's so much more effective to force people to focus and listen to you than to make them want to cover their ears.

I want her to win (since I can see it won't be Bernie), and that yelling and nodding is off-putting. The first woman president is just going to have to put up with unfair criticisms, but I'm pretty sure that after 30+ years in politics she can handle them.

[Atman]

71. OMG...thank you.

I thought I was going down in flames!

[renate]

74. you were brave to post what you did :)

It's something her campaign needs to hear, I believe.

I think because it sounds sexist, people haven't been saying it... but I know for a fact that at least some people are thinking it. Members of my own family, who are all feminists to the bone, have said it to me, and I've agreed with them. (And other members have disagreed, of course. )

You weren't saying that women's normal speaking voices are annoying, after all, and here's research saying that women's and men's voices are equally effective in political advertising in voiceovers, and in fact they're sometimes preferable:
http://phys.org/news/2016-03-male-voice-overs-dominate-political-ads.html

[Demsrule86]

92. This post literally makes me want to throw up.

And anyone who says stuff like that is not a feminist. Hillary should be who she is...and you all should leave her alone.

[renate]

97. I'm genuinely sorry that I've upset you

I really am. It wasn't my intent to upset anybody. I want Hillary to win the general election, and I would like her campaign to be aware of certain things that might turn people off, to maximize the chances of that happening.

I can only say that my opinion about her delivery is my opinion about her delivery. (Please note that I praised her for her speech the other day, and I did here on DU at the time as well.) I'm not saying she should shut up; I'm not saying she should change if she doesn't want to. I was raised by two feminists and I have been a feminist for 50 years. Please do not tell me what I am and am not.

Her yelling--not her speaking--voice gets on my nerves. That's just the way it is; my own voice would get on my nerves if I yelled. I don't like yelling. Maybe it's just me.

[Demsrule86]

90. I like the nodding and I find same tone speeches boring. nt

[jberryhill]

73. Everyone on television yells these days for some reason

Annoying as hell.

The worst offenders are men, so I don't get the sexism aspect.

Chris Matthews yells at people seated inches away from him. Utterly unwatchable.

[grasswire]

77. she barks, too!

But I kinda like that. It makes me laugh.

[Demsrule86]

94. Yeah those are other things used against women

She barks (she's a dog guys) and she is amusing and makes me laugh ( not to be taken seriously like a man). Honestly, Grasswire we are on opposite sides in terms of the nomination, but I would have expected better of you.

[guillaumeb]

78. Perhaps the raised voice indicates that HRC actually

feels strongly about the issue?

As to the vocal issues, she is not a trained actor. Ronald Reagan sounded Presidential, but he was a puppet.

[grossproffit]

81. *sigh*

[Demsrule86]

95. It is sad on a progressive site to see such misogyny.

I would have expected better of liberals.

[Atman]

127. It's sad on a progressive site to see so many close-minded people.

I've been here for decades. I've worked for Obama, for Gabby Giffords, for DWS (okay, so not so proud of that now), for many of the Democrats' best and brightest. Don't you dare call me a misogynist. I'm making a point related to her speaking style, nothing else. It is YOU that are totally missing the point. Would you like Gilbert Godfried or Fran Drescher officiating your wedding ceremony, or delivery your eulogy? It has nothing to do with what is between their legs. That is YOUR hang up, not mine. I'm just saying...Hillary has a HORRIBLE speaking voice, but she might damned well be a great president. Except for her speeches.

[frazzled]

82. No one yells more than Sanders

Why don't you find that grating? And when he yells it's an angry yell, with waving arms and finger wags and lots of underbite. I'm fine with Clinton raising her voice to be heard. Deal with it. She will be your next president.

I always find it amusing that people take Bernie's worst traits and turn them around to project onto Hillary. It's the oldest Rovian trick in the book.

[seabeyond]

83. Now you are just fucking with us, right?

[Sheepshank]

88. I'd like it if Bernie wouldn't go so red faced and throw spittle all over the place.

but you would likely tell me that's ageism....and I'm here to tell you, no it's not.

[JTFrog]

96. You can make no such promises on that particular subject.

DU has archives after all.

[Waiting For Everyman]

98. It's obnoxious and so is the cackle,

so is the saucer eyes and the nodding head. I'm a woman, and what she does is not normal or tolerable. You'd think she would've realized this by now, but apparently not.

At least when Bernie shouts he's in a big open space. When HRC does it, she's in a much smaller venue with a mic. It's ridiculous, and super annoying. But proceed, I'm sure everybody is wrong except her.

[larkrake]

100. I know its a real turnoff and ugly

[bravenak]

109. YEAH RIGHT DONALD AND BERNIE DONT YELL

WHAT KINDA BULLASS TALE ARE YOU TRYING TO SELL? THEY DONT YELL? ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO TELL ME THAT DONALD AND BERNIES LOUD ASSES AINT YELLING CONSTANTLY? THAT HILLARY IS LOUDER AND SOMEHOW MORE OBNOXIOUS? THIS IS THE SAME BULLSHIT ASS STORY ABOUT HOW A WOMAN DOING THE EXACT SAME THING AS A MAN IS SOMEHOW MORE OFF PUTTING THAN WHEN A LOUD ASS MAN DOES IT. I CALL THAT ARGUMENT BULLSHIT #WHITEMALEPATRIARCHYBULLSHIT.

[Atman]

125. Yes, I'm trying to tell you that.

Bernie and Drumpf have a certain cadence that can be incredibly annoying, too. But it rarely involves YELLING. Hillary, when she gets excited, when she anticipates an applause line, begins YELLING at the top of her lungs. It is not at all the same as the other assholes. Hillary YELLS. If can watch any of her speeches (except her evenly tempered "foreign policy" speech) and say otherwise, you are the one delusional, certainly not me. She YELLS AT THE TOP OF HER LUNGS when she reaches the end of an applause line. It is gross, and her voice is shrill. It has nothing to do with her gender, and everything to do with her speaking style. Accept it.

[bravenak]

126. THEY ALWAYS YELL I TURN MY TV OFF ON THEM IT IS SO LOUD

[baldguy]

111. "Why don't you smile s'more, honey? It really brightens your whole face up!"

"And it wouldn't hurt to show off some of your assets, if yaknowhatImean."

Sure there's no sexism in the Not Hillary Party.

[Atman]

123. Nothing CLOSE to what I posted.

But thanks for playing.

[baldguy]

128. Yes, it is.

When men yell, misogynist sexists see them as being forceful and forthright. It shows their inherent strength. It's a positive attribute.

When women yell, misogynist sexists see them as being shrill, whiny & annoying. For misogynist sexists it shows their inherent weakness. It's a negative attribute.

And rational adults listen to the words the speaker uses and don't use the speakers' gender to judge them.

We know which side you fall on.

[Atman]

131. No, you don't know anything.

You are making up your own bullshit. When men yell, if they sound annoying and have a shrill voice, it annoys me. I could give a shit about anything else they're saying. Mitch McConnell doesn't yell, but his voice is still grating and annoying. Ted Cruz kinda yelled, and his voice was grating and annoying. Hillary Clinton yells, and her voice is grating and annoying. See past your own sexist blinders. I can be a feminist and a Hillary supporter and still criticize her harsh speaking style. I'm a rational adult who clearly understands her words, but I wish she'd stop feeling she needs to SHOUT them at me. Obama did just fine without shouting, right?

Lay off the sexist, misogynist bullshit. I'm on your side, I just can't stand the shrieking voice. How is that so difficult to understand?

[Squinch]

113. And the moral of this story, children, is that assholes gotta be assholes. The end.

[BootinUp]

114. As you will see in many of the reponses, your characterization is flawed. I would

guess you just don't like her and her supporters, and decided this was a good way to show it.

[Atman]

122. Then you would guess totally wrong.

I don't like her delivery when she YELLS. Why can't you disconnect that from the delivery of what she is actually saying? I don't have a problem with Hillary Clinton at all. Unless we're talking about her horrible delivery.

[BootinUp]

129. Why can't you realize that your perception is not shared

by most people? Who really gives a flying fuck anyway.

[Atman]

132. Why can't you realize that your perception is not shared

Who really gives a flying fuck anyway?

Oh, and BTW...given other post in this thread, my perception IS shared. So is yours. Funny how that works, huh?

[jack_krass]

120. Its not yelling per-se, but a break into shrill monotone when nearing an applause line, or

When she thinks she's saying something profound. Its not an uncommon style and makes do it too.

[robbedvoter]

124. when you say it belongs in GD, does it mean this 💩 will go on after GD-P

is closed? Just checking Interesting how you are OK with Trump's delivery. Must be a 🍆 thing then.

[Hiraeth]

130. So shoot me.

my pleasure.

dumbest OP for the day.

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