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Tue May 31, 2016, 05:13 PM

 

Skinner: DU switches to general election mode on June 16, 2016

DU will not be waiting until the convention.

Post accordingly....

...we will announce that the primaries are nearing an end, and members will have one more week to "get it out of their systems".

The final Democratic presidential primary is Tuesday, June 14 in Washington DC. People will have one last glorious day of primary season on June 15, and then Democratic Underground general election season begins on Thursday, June 16.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=10493

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:15 PM

1. For a certain sector, June 16 marks the day they either STFU or GTFO. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:25 PM

18. ...'certain sector'...

 

'DU will not be waiting until the convention.' CORRECTED 'HRC supporters will not be waiting until the convention.'

Any and all 'rabid' HRC supporters will push the limits of 'enforcement' of what pertains to 'criticism' of HRC...

DU will become an echo chamber unparalleled this election cycle

HRC is so feckless of a candidate that she's running even against TRUMP... any other candidate should be so far ahead of TRUMP at this moment it's stunning that HRC isn't able to beat the monstrosity that's TRUMP and GOP party

DU will be a become a joke trying to keep HRC on life support through this election cycle with the depth of her unfavorables that she can't clear or get past, that's on her, nobody else can take the blame for that... and every HRC supporter here knows that...

But with the transition from primary to GE fully expect HRC supporters here to push banning and censor to the fullest extent

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:37 PM

31. June 16 can't come quickly enough. nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #31)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:44 PM

42. for most HRC supporters...

 

They've counted their chickens while we're still in the 'egg phase'

HRC running dead even against TRUMP is stunning, press any and all HRC supporters on that point and see them squirm

This should be a slam dunk but to be running even against him, well.. to take this posters reply... NOV can't come quickly enough...

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #42)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:01 PM

148. Judging by your last two comments, and your very recent membership to DU, it would appear....

 

...you're already very deeply vested and knowledgeable about the DU process. It's gonna be tough when you have this new habit to break, you have worked so hard to establish.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #183)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:46 PM

211. You are calling someone a troll??

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #211)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:37 AM

277. Right, Sanders supporters can't get away with that even tho the others do.

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #277)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:24 AM

300. so much for this being a democratic site. I can't wait for the

exodus. HEY SKINNER! BE READY TO REFUND THE SUCKERS WHO PAID TO RUN THIS PLACE! The democratic party as it always was dies on June 16.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #300)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:43 AM

372. I just sent another $28 to DU

(Sorry, I've read that phrase here so many times it just typed itself out on auto-correct)

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #300)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:13 AM

373. I don't think he needs the money.

 

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #300)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:09 PM

407. I have noticed that most of the worst offenders from a certain sector

don't support this site...and don't send me all our 'well I do' , I said most not all. So there should be few refunds...assuming such a thing is possible. Now you Bernie people threaten Skinner...no class.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #300)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:25 PM

438. Roguevalley, why don't you wait and see what happens.

It isn't the end of democracy. It's the return of civility.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #277)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:36 AM

352. The oppression of being denied the ability to call someone a troll is palpable and insidious

The oppression of being denied the ability to call someone a troll is palpable and insidious. A cancer on the heart of rational discourse.

I'd pretend one side gets away with it while the other doesn't too as it certainly validates our bias-- though it does illustrate a certain lack of objectivity and willful blindness of the obvious on our part. Yet... that's simply a small price top pay to maintain our illusion of suffering abuse and persecution at the hands of the infidels and other non-believers.

I suppose that's what happens when passion overtakes rational thought and we're reduced to mere punchlines without our knowledge. It's a tough old world out there...



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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #42)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:46 PM

247. You might want to look into Free Republic, where you can brush up on Hillary attacks

 

after the GDP closes.

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Response to eastwestdem (Reply #247)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:25 AM

301. shutting down other opinions before the election ends is

Free republic. This place becomes free republic then. Have at it, hoss.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #301)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:14 PM

408. Shutting down discussions

that attack and defame the Democratic nominee on a Democratic site is exactly what should happen. Bernie is not worth getting Trump...I have three kids and two of their significant others (younguns) who supported Bernie but because they have a brain in their gorgeous heads will vote for Hillary in the fall...And I sincerely hope Bernie leaves the state with some dignity and continues his movement. His supporters deserve better than a bitter old man flailing away in anger and spite ...helping the worst Republican nominee in my lifetime in the most crucial election of my lifetime.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #301)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:26 PM

439. Well, you can always move on to Bernie sites.

There's a bunch of them.

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Response to eastwestdem (Reply #247)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:39 AM

310. Is that where Hillary supporters found popegate and chairgate?



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Response to cui bono (Reply #310)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:13 PM

395. At this rate you guys

won't have anything left for the get-it-all-out week. Better pace yourselves.

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:36 AM

376. That will improve in GE season once Sanders is officially out. n/t

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:41 PM

37. DU has become a joke trying to keep BS on life support through this ;primary election cycle

 

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #37)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:46 PM

44. HRC running dead even with Trump...

 

The bigger joke is what should be a slam dunk against TRUMP is how feckless HRC is in national polls with the level of her unfavorables, which do run dead even with TRUMP and that's sayin' something as well...

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #44)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:57 PM

55. It says only fools buy into polls

 

We were reminded of this after the Michigan primary, the Colorado primary etc. even Romney's "landslide win" was baloney from polls.

I love how the Bernie supporters only care about polls when it supports what they wish to believe.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #55)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:27 PM

93. It's called 'confirmation bias.'

Wiki:

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.


I would think Democrats would have a pretty consistent bias in supporting our Democratic candidates.

The primaries are over. We have our nominee.

Pease be aware of the Constitutional procedure if no nominee reaches 270 electoral votes.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #93)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:16 PM

218. That knife cuts both ways.

 

Sanders supporters believe the polls because they confirm their belief that Hillary is a dead-duck candidate that should be forced to withdraw from the process because she can't win the GE, even if she wins the nomination handily.

Hillary supporters believe the polls are meaningless this far out because those polls run contrary to their belief that Hillary will win the Presidency easily against that megalomaniacal short-fingered vulgarian.

Between the two...the Clinton position seems closer to wishful thinking. Data doesn't become untrue because you dislike what it says or believe it needs to be unskewed.

I'm well aware of the procedure...we end up with whoever the GOP-controlled House decides to elect President and the Democratic-controlled Senate selects the VP. The irony there is that I doubt either of those people will be Donald J. Trump or Hillary Clinton. The first because I don't think the GOP actually likes him being their nominee all that much and the second because I don't think she'd accept the position if elected...it's a career-ender.

Like I said last week...it's a good thing there is no process for the public to vote "None of the above!" and force the parties to nominate different candidates in a second balloting...because that's what the outcome would be of a Trump/Clinton race in that situation: a rejection of both candidates.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #218)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:03 AM

263. Clarification on the Constitution

Yes, if no one has 270 then the Senate picks the VP, but the choice is limited to the two people who got the most electoral votes for VP. If it's a 269-269 tie, or something like a 268-267 finish with the Libertarians picking off Alaska; and if all the electors adhere to their pre-election plans in their VP voting; and if (as you assume) the Democrats get the Senate majority, then the new VP would be whoever was the Democratic candidate for that job.

That Democratic VP would be serving under President Paul Ryan, because if the vote is that close then the electors won't all adhere to their plans for President.. A few of them will defect from Trump to Ryan, enough to put Ryan in third place in electoral votes. The House chooses the new President among the top three finishers. (Sorry, Governor Johnson -- that's top three in electoral votes, not popular votes.)

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #106)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:50 PM

112. Um..

 

Not that this isn't painfully obvious that polls were conducted to get any results for favorability, but literally at the bottom of the link you provided it says the info comes from polls.
So Yes it's polls... and they don't mean squat ..as as shown by examples in my last post.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #112)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:54 PM

116. unfavorables

 

what magic wand will you try to swing around to make those 'polls' change then?

how will you erase those unfavorables?

those weren't generated by Bernie, those weren't negative attacks that made those appear

if you're lack of understanding of the facts concerning what those polls exposed then you're more lost than I thought... YIKES

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #116)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:56 PM

119. Skinner makes it all go away in 16 days.

If it's not allowed on DU, then it's just not happening in real life.

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Response to frylock (Reply #119)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:22 PM

134. I wish Skinner would hurry up

and make the FBI and the media stop talking about all that email stuff!

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Response to frylock (Reply #119)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:14 PM

156. There will only be one Democrat running after June 16th

Since the site is called Democratic Underground it makes no sense to entertain those who want to advocate failure for the candidate. If that were allowed every Freeper with spare time would show up here for the pile-on.

The ones who are already here will have to find a new hobby.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #156)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:59 PM

176. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show.

The level of denial regarding the severity of the email issue is going to make for some incredibly entertaining breakdowns.

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Response to frylock (Reply #176)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:34 PM

398. That's *exactly* what I've been thinking about the last couple of days. NT


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Response to frylock (Reply #119)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:18 PM

194. interesting

 

good to know how the DEM 'universe' functions... it's that new 'bubble technology' 2.0

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #116)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:33 PM

136. All you car about is polls.

 

How about the fact that she has more votes than any other candidate even after 25 years of ridiculous baseless accusations and investigations, not only from the right wing but from land o' Bernie's faux revolutionaries?


Polls shmolls.

from pro Bernie land Huff post:

"Bernie Sanders’ historic upset in Tuesday night’s Michigan Primary, which the nation’s most influential polling aggregator estimated he would lose by 22 points, may prove to be the turning point in this election. That’s because Sanders’ two point victory in Michigan follows just a week or less after three other huge, but barely unnoticed poll-defying victories by Sanders in Colorado, Minnesota, and Kansas. Taken together with these other states, the Michigan upset is not, as America’s foremost poll analyst Nate Silver claimed, a freak event not witnessed since the New Hampshire primary of 1984, but part of a new pattern of poll-defying results that will, if they continue, carry Bernie Sanders into the White House.

In the March 1st Super Tuesday contest, Sanders won Colorado by 19 points. The most recent poll there had shown him losing by 18% of the vote, adding up to a poll-to-reality discrepancy of 37 points. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-greenberg/polldefying-pattern-predi_b_9434118.html


Polls are for the purpose of getting a bandwagon effect.
That's the entire reason Bernie ans his supporters keep pointing to them now even though just months ago you were pointing to the polls and how ridiculous polling is.
The fact that so many Sanders supporters havent grasped this yet is what's truly frightening.

Its not polls, not rally attendance, not yard signs or millions of dollars in $27 increments...its VOTING that counts. and the voters really really LIKE Clinton , as much as that pains Bernie's camp.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #136)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:19 PM

195. interesting...

 

So I point out HRC's historic level unfavorables and you pivot to Bernie and polls not associated with the facts concerning the perception of HRC.. got it


Thx for playin'!

Have a day!

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #195)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:37 PM

208. I pointed to your source and it says the results are from polls.

 

I didn't pivot anywhere... but you're trying to.


I'll have a wonderful evening. Hillary has the Dem nomination and there's not a thing Bernie nor his supporters can do about it.
Keep on reading those polls that are almost as accurate as a carnival fortune teller, or horoscope, or a psychic reading!

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #116)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:03 PM

149. Please explain to me how the favorables have helped Bernie and unfavorables hurt Hillary?

 

attempting to create a narrative from nothing, is something only the media appears to be focused on...oh and BSers. Doesn't seem to be a winning strategy.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #149)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:23 PM

198. ...meep...

 

well, if HRC crashing numbers get her dead even with Trump and it's both proven that both have historic unfavorables

well, most rational folks get this and understand the facts.. so.... where so you stand on the facts?

but interesting pivot you have bringing in Bernie, you do realize HRC controls here own unfavorables right?

if not then well, that doesn't seem to be a 'winning strategy'

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:24 AM

359. Candidates are on the ballot, "unfavorables" aren't

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:38 PM

422. "Romney's 'landslide win'"???

 

Precisely what polls ever suggested that?

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:22 AM

356. So why is Sanders doing so poorly against the "feckless" Hillary Clinton?

National polls are useless, the Presidency is determined by electoral votes. Al Gore learned that in 2000.

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Response to George II (Reply #356)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:40 PM

424. Because Independents generally don't vote in Democratic primaries.

 

This explains why in head-to-head matchups between the Dem and Trump, Bernie always does notably better in these polls.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #37)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:13 PM

129. you got that right

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:46 PM

43. This is why Bernie lost.

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #43)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:51 PM

50. dead even... HRC against TRUMP...

 

what should be a slam dunk against TRUMP... HRC has pulled even with him...

That's on her, own that... focus on Bernie all you'd like, facts remain, it's those facts about your candidate that make your avoidance of them so hilarious

'banning' and/or 'purging' just creates that special bubble that you hope will insulate you and your candidate... good luck with that

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #50)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:25 PM

90. She is not dead even with Trump. Every EV prognosticator has her well north of 300 EVs.

Many of them have her over 330 EVs. That's not a tie, it's a blowout.

I know it's difficult for Bernie supporters to accept that he lost; but it is time to move on. It serves no purpose to propagate false election narratives like Hillary and Trump are tied.

I voted for Bernie back in March when he still had a chance. Those chances are now gone. It's time to dispense with the hatred, negativity, in-fighting, etc.

If you live in one of the states/territories that have not yet voted, by all means, go out and vote for Bernie. Just realize that in roughly 170 hours, Hillary will be declared the (presumptive) nominee. The race is over no matter how much the outcome is not the one you preferred.

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #107)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:48 PM

109. Those make absolutely no difference in the next week. They are completely irrelevant.

They have no bearing on the primary race whatsoever. If it makes you feel good by posting them, then have at it until June 16. They will not change the outcome of the Dem primary race.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #109)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:51 PM

114. they have every relevance now and beyond 'next week'...

 

what magic wand will you try to wave to make those unfavorables disappear?

this bubble you and all the other HRC supporters will need to create here within DU should be quite the spectacle to behold


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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #114)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:56 PM

120. Those unfavorables, aided by extreme hatred by some Bernie supporters, will change nothing next week

Those numbers have absolutely no bearing on the legions of Hillary voters in VI, PR, NJ, NM and CA where she will likely win. For the Dems voting in the next week, those numbers are meaningless and will not push Bernie to victory. As such, they are completely irrelevant in the primary race. I'm not sure why that concept is difficult to understand. Will they be a problem for the GE? Maybe, maybe not. That's still months away. In the short term, they do not have any impact whatsoever on the primary race.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #120)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:13 PM

188. 'absolutely no bearing'

 

Yeah run with that... create and reinforce that bubble see what mileage you get out of it

If she's this feckless against Trump now when he's flinging everything at her and she's dead even with him?

this 'Maybe, maybe not' mantra is something I would advise against but hey... you have this belief that those 'numbers are meaningless'

gl to ya!

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #188)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:35 PM

207. You obviously did not read my post by taking that quote out of context.

Do her unfavorable matter to the people who will vote for her during the next week? Not at all. Don't even pretend like it will.

And yes, those numbers are meaningless during the next seven days? Do you actually think those numbers are going to change the outcome that we all know is coming in one week? Do you believe millions of voters will see those numbers and switch their votes from Hillary to Bernie during the next week? Surely you don't believe such an impossibility.

Again, why are you pushing unfavorable when the Republicans have not even gone after Bernie? His numbers can only move in one direction - and that is down. When the Republicans are done with him, he will probably wish he had Hillary's numbers.

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #188)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:05 PM

405. I don't think Trump has even started against her. He has named her

Crooked Hillary. It will stick because it is not pulled out of the ethers. From there on, it's downhill on the level of attack. The Benghazi hearings were respectful, measured, DC hype, vaudeville.

Trump will be bare-knuckled street fighting...Trump University and all. And her health is an issue...what will be required of her physically, as well as maybe more because of the emotionality of being callously attacked.

I see it as flawed to compare what's coming to the flailing attempts to "get the Clintons" over the past decades. There were unstated rules that politicians played but did not go over the line.

Trump represents the basest of the Republican Party's electorate. I think the depth off that constituency is not yet clearly understood.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #109)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:43 PM

166. They have bearing for every thinking, good-hearted person

 

You can ru with the fleas if you wish.

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:41 AM

278. Sanders hasn't lost yet in spite o has had to fight uphill against the billionaires,

 

the banksters, the DNC, and the Corp-Media and yet he is still in the race. The Oligarchy hasn't been able yet to push Clinton into the WH.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #278)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:39 PM

401. Oligarchy!

 

Drink!

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #401)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:04 PM

418. Pretty sure that post was supposed to be a parody of how some progressives act.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #278)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:16 PM

410. He has lost

and if he has any integrity or intelligence will bow out after California...when the media has named the nominee.

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:58 PM

57. T-h-a-a-a-t-s right, get it all out.

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:33 PM

98. the Repugnants "For" Bernie will rue the day they can no longer continue their McCarthyist campaign

against Clinton on this forum. But Democrats are suckers for GOP Propaganda. So to us it will be no loss to no longer see charges by innuendo and insinuations of nefarious activities by HRC and other parroted points of GOP Propaganda.


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Response to Recoverin_Republican (Reply #98)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:49 PM

111. unfavorables

 

I'm a progressive, I get that you've latched onto HRC, as a 'recoverin_republican' she's a perfect fit for ya... she's republican light after all

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/

I also get that the size and strength of the bubble you'll need to create within DU will be quite impressive to behold...

gl, you'll need it

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #111)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:47 PM

143. Get it all out of your system. Won't change a damn thing.

enjoy

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Response to Mr Maru (Reply #143)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:24 PM

200. unfavorables

 

you're correct those historic unfavorables aren't my problem... there yours and your candidates so you reply like you do won't change that a 'damn' bit

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #200)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:58 PM

214. Somebody keeps pulling that little ring on your back, lol!

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #111)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:07 PM

150. you've latched onto the "unfavorables" as if they are going to help Bernie

 

Well as a big fat FYI, they haven't helped Bernie one bit. he's still losing to someone with all of those "unfavorables" you keep bleating on about

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #150)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:44 PM

167. They will help the country

 

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #150)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:26 PM

201. ...meep...

 

Bernie... beep, beep... Bernie...

Do you have a coin slot?

'insert quarter for rapid canned response, as well as your fortune'


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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #201)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:18 PM

219. Talk about a coin slot.....and an inane way to beef up post counts

 

Pathetic

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:57 PM

121. Yawn

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Response to Cary (Reply #121)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:13 PM

190. meep

 

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #190)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:59 AM

322. If one word says it all why say more?

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:10 PM

124. DU will be for Democrats - hence the name



Non democrats can find the door

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Response to realmirage (Reply #124)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:41 PM

165. So only corporatist 3rd way kids are Democrats?

 

You know nothing.
Good luck to Hillary if she runs with folks like you backing her.

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Response to OwlinAZ (Reply #165)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:35 PM

399. Grief counselors are standing by!

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #124)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:15 PM

192. then when will you be leaving with HRC in tow?

 

HRC is republican light.. always has been always will be

but if DEM is the new republican light in ideology then so be it, is that what you're suggesting?

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:13 PM

128. Don't leave angry...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #128)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:16 PM

193. Leave?

 

I'm going to watch this bubble project go, who would leave this carnival when that kicks off?

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:26 AM

302. You are right.

I have not met a single soul who is genuinely enthusiastic at the prospect of an HRC presidency. Perhaps the historical element will carry a greater impact to counter the lack of enthusiasm. We shall see.

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:54 AM

338. HE, if you don't like the situation, there are other Bernie websites.

DU isn't officially a Bernie site. It's a Democratic site that's intended to win Democratic races. If Hillary has the delegates on June 7, she's the Democratic nominee.

Posts critical of Hillary are allowed but Hillaryhate posts are not.

You can post on Bernie sites through the convention.

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Response to HumanityExperiment (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:17 AM

354. No, DU will be going into General Election mode on June 16, not just Clinton supporters.

So, if Clinton is so "feckless", then why can't a strong candidate like Sanders defeat her?

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:35 PM

28. Did you inform the FBI they should stop?

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #28)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:43 PM

41. If I were you

 

I would be looking for or building a new home for like-minded people. There were many new blogs for suddenly homeless democrats in the summer of 2008.

This way when Sanders tries again in 2024, you will have a community in place.


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Response to annavictorious (Reply #41)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:47 PM

45. There's always that JimJonesRadicals site.

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #45)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:53 PM

52. Lol!

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #45)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:04 PM

68. ...

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #45)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:11 PM

126. : )

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:14 AM

316. Ouch baby

Rapier wits out tonight

.

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Response to barrow-wight (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:40 AM

330. OMG

my first laugh of the morning!

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #41)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:47 PM

46. Love your wit!

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Response to annavictorious (Reply #41)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:48 PM

48. If I were you I would start paying attention

 

buy the way, did you inform CNN, what about NPR Time Magazine? Fortune?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #48)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:05 PM

69. Most media outlets will declare Hillary the presumptive nominee on June 7th

once she hits 2,384 with a combo of pledged and superdelegate endorsements, just as they did for Obama in 2008.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #69)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:47 PM

171. Most of the bought and paid for media have been saying that since November

 

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Response to Tarc (Reply #69)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:42 PM

244. And they will also stop reporting on an accelearting scandal MY GOODNESS

 

you must be on first name basis with the national editors. I know CNN mostly cannot chew gun and walk, but on this one they will.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #244)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:32 AM

349. CNN and others will stop the breathless Emailgate coverage in due time

and focus on every dumb thing Trump says from now til November. Some around here feared that Trumpy was going to clean up his act and be a poster boy for the GOP, but he keeps attacking them and everyone else on a daily basis.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #349)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:38 AM

377. Really, when did they stop covering trump?

 

You know there is a saying in media about feeding frenzies. So I hope your pals,you know them on first hand will stop. Oh wait you don't. And the OIG report showed to national editors, who are not silly, chiefly blind, partisans that this is more that just a cooked up thing by the VRWC.

I am going to enjoy the increasing cognitive dissonance. It is perverse I know. But you guys are just partisans, blind and all, not unlike Republicans in 2003. Not worst or better, just like them.

I developed quite a bit of contempt for them back then. Wrongly I expected better from Democrsts. So my contempt is for partisans on both sides. Ain't that great? By the way, this is why independents continue to grow as more and more people cannot stand partisans on both sides.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #377)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:20 PM

383. The media tires of tiny stories eventually

Emailgate, like Benghazi, is the epitome of a tiny, partisan-driven story. Soon will b back to "crazy stuff Donald says" 24/7.

You forget that Trump slams the media regularly; they have long memories for that sorta thing.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #383)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:28 PM

384. And your party will hand tje country to a madman

 

You are responsible for that

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #384)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:53 PM

389. My party will be saying "Madam President" after November


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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #28)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:14 PM

191. +1 n/t

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:00 PM

62. Huma Abedin does not testify in the JW case until 6/29.

Declaring a nominee any time before the convention is just silly.

With all the depositions and related bad news for Hillary queued-up for all this coming month, an arbitrary date when Primary concludes is meaning less and less...

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #62)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:12 PM

74. If you don't like the rules of this board you can leave now. That's what I would do.

I have left boards whose rules I disagreed with.

It's not hard.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #74)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:08 PM

122. You got that right!

If I wasn't a Democrat and wasn't welcome on a Democratic website, I would find one of the hundreds of other like-minded sites where I would be welcome.

This insistence on disrupting a site and a nominee is ridiculous - and apparently will be ended shortly.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #122)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:16 PM

131. I am not going to go to the Cleveland Cavaliers website and trash LeBron James.

I certainly don't think it would be welcome there.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #131)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:20 PM

133. And if you hate L James but love S Curry...

there is a place you are more than welcome!

(Go LeBron - "Cleveland Rocks!!!")

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #131)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:08 PM

432. I am from Ohio

and we would find you...(evil laugh) and make you sorry...LOL

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #62)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:15 PM

76. Oh no, somebody wishing for the indictment fairy!!!!!!!!!

 











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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #76)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:26 PM

91. Dayum!

I would bet that they are all still waiting for Fitzmas, too!

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:24 PM

87. Yep a lot of telling people they can KMFA will ensue I am sure.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:38 PM

104. That is about the sickest post I have ever seen here.

Hope you are proud of your life as a human being.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #104)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:35 PM

163. Oh my. So very delicate.

I hope you were on the fainting couch when you had to read that.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #104)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:41 AM

304. That's what you call sick?

Was it edited from something else? My god you have thin skin.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:54 PM

117. And for another certain sector, this will be the day they fully immerse their heads in the sand.

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Response to frylock (Reply #117)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:55 PM

232. Which sector?

The site all the Bernie holdouts are running to doesn't like dissent either.

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Response to frylock (Reply #117)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:47 AM

331. The sand? How are they going to get their heads there?

It'd mean pulling their heads OUT of another orifice that isn't polite to be mentioned at the dinner table.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:21 AM

270. Nah, that's the day we start using our special "code words"

 

which all mean basically the same thing,
about Hillary and her supporters...

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:34 AM

275. As a person growing up in Mississippi, I used to see this wording

automobile bumpers and windows. I remember thinking, "what gives you the right to tell me to be quiet or leave my home?

If the administrators of DU tell be to shut up or quit DU, I will reluctantly move on. What would be the point of sticking around. This is supposed to be a political discussion board for those who embrace the principles of the Democratic Party and Democrats in general.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #275)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:01 AM

308. If you embrace the principles of the Democratic Party

than you will be in favor of supporting whoever the Democratic nominee is in defeating Donald Trump. If you still don't side with the Democrat over Trump, I don't see why you should stick around here.

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Response to HarmonyRockets (Reply #308)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:51 AM

332. I don't think that the current Democratic Party establishment supports the principles of the DemocraI don't think that the current Democratic Party establishment supports the principles of the Democra

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:57 AM

313. Ya, the shit stirring sector. Doesnt matter who they claim to support they all just seem to

get a thrill out of flinging whatever shit they can in an attempt to get something to land on one of the candidates and on Democrats in general.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:06 AM

314. Don't make DU suck

And quit grave-dancing.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:06 PM

452. Yeah, and that certain sector can be referred to as "assholes."

And by "assholes," we can further define that to mean Clinton supporters who bash Sanders and otherwise talk sarcastic shit, or Sanders supporters who do the same.

It's about civility. Read Skinner's post. It's not about Sanders supporters needing to STFU or GTFO. It's about not basing Clinton, if and when she becomes the nominee, and endless fucking posts bashing Sanders and taking smirk-filled victory laps won't be any more welcome.

eom, tough guy. eom.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:15 PM

2. Oh thank goodness!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #2)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:47 PM

142. Yep

No more recommending OPs with neo-Nazi, holocaust denial websites like the old days:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251941346

So, do you often recommend OPs using hate-sites like tomatoebubble or is it a website you go to a lot?

I am sure the "this is what some people might say" sounds like a valid excuse for anti-Semetic hate speech websites being used to attack a Democratic candidate of Jewish heritage but it's not.

I am sure you all will miss those days....

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Response to angrychair (Reply #142)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:50 PM

144. .

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #144)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:54 PM

145. Roll your eyes all you want

I'm not the one that recommended an OP that suggested people learn about Sanders by going to a neo-Nazi, holocaust denial website....

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Response to angrychair (Reply #145)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:54 PM

146. .

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #146)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:01 PM

147. So, to be clear

By not speaking out against, even recommending OPs that use neo-Nazi websites, does this mean you endorse Neo-Nazi hate sites and their attacks on those of Jewish heritage?

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Response to angrychair (Reply #147)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:14 PM

157. omg....give it up...you are looking ridiculous.

 

to presume that everything and anything not spoken is an implied agreement? is that what you are trying to press? the most fucking stupid inane argument today...you win.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #157)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:26 PM

159. I am ridiculous?

I'm not the one that recommended people visit a neo-Nazi hate site like tomatoebubble in regards to a Democratic candidate of Jewish heritage that happened to have family murdered in concentration camps.


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Response to angrychair (Reply #159)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:49 PM

172. The blue meanies should be ignored.

 

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Response to angrychair (Reply #159)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:24 PM

220. Repetitious badgering and nonsensical assertions don't make you look like a hero, that's for sure

 

So yeah, you have crossed the line into the ridiculous.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #220)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:38 AM

296. Odd values system there

First, I wasn't talking to you but someone else.

Secondly, all this high and mighty repudiation of tRump comes across as tone-deaf if that same group of followers are also recommending people go to neo-Nazi hate-sites like tomatoebubble to learn more about a Democratic candidate for president who happens to be of Jewish heritage and had family members murdered in concentration camps...which tomatoebubble says is a lie.

No one needs to go to a Nazi hate-site to tell them what they think of people of Jewish heritage.
That you want to argue that posting and/or recommending OPs that use websites like that is legitimate is very disturbing...no it is not the same as right-wing sites like free beacon. If you think that than that is just as disturbing.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #296)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:49 AM

305. There's all sorts of troubling commentary on this board of late. It's not all coming from one side,

either. Look how "no religious test" gets the hand in this conversation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017378124

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Response to MADem (Reply #305)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:52 PM

387. MADem I would never say it's one-sided

There have been regretable things said by many, including myself. The thing is I own it and try to apologize if I can.
The OP you linked to was a very awkward one at best. Those type of conversations can turn sour quick, especially when people not familiar with the subject matter make insensitive comments out of ignorance or bluster. I agree the person that made the "move back" comment should have apologized for it. Their point was hamfisted and racially and culturally insensitive.

The use of neo-Nazi hate-sites like tomatoebubble in an OP and /or recommending an OP that uses such a source, it is far and away the most vile thing I have seen on this discussion board yet. Attacking a person of Jewish heritage with Nazi talking points is disgusting.

To not automatically condemn such actions or make light of them is shocking and disturbing and though I left and came back I am still on the fence if this website is the place I thought it was.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #387)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:19 PM

434. In that link, I had the back of a person who is on the opposite side of the

primary divide from me, but we were united in our horror at the direction of the conversation. That mess started out bad and went downhill.

Many people who are now popping up here have no interest in seeing a Democrat elected--they're here just to shit-stir, to divide, and to take their garbage back to that cave place where they giggle like schoolchildren telling poop jokes. It is very hard to have a political discussion here, when, if a person expresses an opinion about a public figure, the response is "YOU are (fill in some bullshit insult). That kind of stuff, and this kind of religious dogwhistling, is a problem. It shouldn't matter who is being insulted when it comes to that stuff. It can't be "OK" even if it is a politician we might not like under the gun. We've got to stick to our principles.

This place WILL get better as soon as primary season ends. And after the election, we'll be back to the same old carping and whining that we always engage in, but without the viciousness and the brutal personal insults. There will even be time for good humor.

I am counting the days.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #147)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:26 PM

160. .

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:16 PM

3. I am looking forward to the general election mode.

It will become so very clear what we need to do.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:17 PM

4. Will administrators ban Hillary supporters posts that criticize Bernie?

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:18 PM

6. The focus will be on criticizing Trump. Please make a note of it

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #6)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:22 PM

12. So then Hillary supporters will not be allowed to post negative Bernie posts when

 

he takes it to the convention floor, because your focused on Trump.

This is gonna be a real hoot.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #12)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:25 PM

19. He's not taking it to the convention floor

By time Obama, Biden and Warren (and possibly Merkeley) endorse the nominee, the non-nominee won't have enough support to "take it to the convention".

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Response to LoverOfLiberty (Reply #19)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:38 PM

209. HA!HA!HA!HA!

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Response to B Calm (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:18 PM

411. Actually No

Bernie is not the nominee...so we can say what we want...but most won't...time for healing now not attacking the losing candidate.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:20 PM

7. Of course not, he will be considered out of the race.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #7)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:00 PM

61. Hillary will not have the required amount of 2,383 pledged delegates for a clinch.

 

They can presume the winner will be Hillary, but that's all it is a presumption. I just pray the administrators will also ban anti Bernie posts too during the time frame up until the convention, unless Bernie drops out of the race before then.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:21 PM

10. Probably not

 

Hillary will be the nominee and Bernie will be out of the race.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:22 PM

11. Liberals and democrats will switch all focus off Bernie and onto the

nightmare Conman Trump.

You see, liberals and democrats realize Conman Trump represents the end of America as we know it and possibly the end of everything.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:54 PM

54. Bernie is not a Democrat

 

and he's not going to become one.

When asked if he would officially join the party on April 30, 2015, when he announced his candidacy, Sanders said, "No, I am an independent who is going to be working with the —"

Yet Sanders continued to fight with the party locally and his "goal was the destroy Democrats," Maurice Mahoney, the head of Burlington’s Democratic Party in the 1980s, told Politico.


When he ran for the Senate a decade later in 2006, still as an independent, ...
His website states he's an Independent.

"Bernie Sanders is serving his second term in the U.S. Senate after winning re-election in 2012 with 71 percent of the vote. His previous 16 years in the House of Representatives make him the longest serving independent member of Congress in American history. "
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/about


But he sure is good as using the Democrats whenever convenient for him.


Like for his current presidential campaign and previously to get committee assignments because he refuses to work with anyone.


"After calling it "ideologically bankrupt," Sanders lobbied for admission into the Democratic caucus for practical reasons (getting coveted committee assignments, mustering votes for bills), according to news reports from his first year in Congress. But party leaders wouldn’t let him join as he refused to become a Democrat."

When he ran for the Senate a decade later in 2006, still as an independent, the party worked to stop Democratic candidates from running against him, and he was endorsed by numerous state and national Democrats.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:31 AM

348. oh brother... what a tired old trope

Bernie is a Democrat now.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #348)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:06 AM

353. aw facts are now trope?

 

lol

Bernie says he's not..
Are you calling Bernie a liar?

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:00 PM

63. There won't be any need to.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:07 PM

216. Well, he's not the nominee, so why would it really matter?

It doesn't.

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Response to B Calm (Reply #4)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:44 PM

245. They won't ban supporters who criticize Hillary.

It just can't be the low hanging fruit that has made to the Clinton bash for decades.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #245)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:45 AM

280. They only ban anti-Clinton posters. Clinton supporters have been given a special place here.

 

And that kind of sums up what the People have to face fighting the Big Money in our government.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #280)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:06 AM

285. I will not be afraid to criticize.

It's possible to be critical and still support a candidate.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #285)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:10 AM

287. Where have you been? All criticisms of Clinton are met with ad hominem attacks. You dont

 

want discourse you want blind loyalty.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #287)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:13 AM

289. I've yet to be attacked for my Clinton criticism.

I'm even still allowed to post in the Clinton group. However, I did criticize a banned troll in the Sanders group, one who viciously attacked another poster here and was summarily banned.

Funny how that works.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #289)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:15 AM

291. That's because you dont criticize her. Duh!

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #291)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:17 AM

292. Sure I do.

For instance her low key campaign will prove risky for the general. She needs to fill stadiums.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #292)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:19 AM

293. I rest my case.

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #280)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:29 AM

303. Sure, Rick.

Sure.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #303)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:44 AM

311. What Hillary supporters have been banned?

And why do you think the 5 hide rule was lifted? Do you think it had anything to do with allowing serial offenders who've racked up up to 19 hides to post? You know, Hillary supporters who are so rude but support the 'right' candidate so they're given a pass even when they call people racist for no reason and use anti-semitic dog whistles?

.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #311)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:52 AM

334. This immediately comes back to mind...

http://fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=117360

Which need I remind you, the entire AAs for Hillary contingent of this board apparently finds completely okay because an apology was posted? I dunno, my mother-- an African American woman, mind you-- always taught me that racists don't change. Go figure.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #334)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:06 PM

394. Exactly.

IOKIYSHRC

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Response to cui bono (Reply #394)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:17 PM

396. Might as well be their mantra.

Might as well be my reasoning for why 300+ of them have been put on my "I'm not letting you elevate my blood pressure" list.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Reply #334)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:11 PM

433. Wow, that link really shows the nastiness of Hill supporters.

 

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Response to cui bono (Reply #311)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:20 PM

413. Of course not

Everyone knows Bernie supporters rigged many of those juries...I always read the hidden posts...and most were complete crap...it was obvious...that Bernie supporters were playing favorites. I saw it noted on the Ask administrators forum as well.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:18 PM

5. Banhammer's comin' for some of y'all

and long overdue, imho

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #5)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:03 PM

66. I think we'll see more GBCW threads than bans

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #66)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:23 PM

86. True. Get ready for the DRAMA!

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #66)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:14 AM

290. And they'll be back a day after election day...

...to drop their invective.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #290)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:48 AM

368. If they even stay away that long

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:21 PM

8. OK. Just curious, but which candidate is it we'll have to stop criticizing after June 15th?

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:26 PM

20. Let's let the voters decide who she'll be.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:23 PM

83. I, for one, welcome whomever it is.




just as long as they can thoroughly trounce Trump


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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #83)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:48 PM

212. Polls show Bernie beats Trump by FAR wider margins than Hill

 

with Hill losing ground as time goes on.

So if the idea is to trounce Trump, Bernie is the right candidate.

But if the idea is to put Hill up there and ... who cares what happens after that ...

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:32 PM

97. The presumptive nominee. nt

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:24 PM

414. Hillary will be declared the presumtive nominee

Skinner is waiting until after the entire primary is over to call it...but on June 7th ...it is called by everyone else.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #414)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:44 PM

415. Everyone, huh.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #415)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:02 PM

417. Eveyone that matters

And if Bernie is as smart and has as much integrity as you all say, he will concede and endorse near the time of California...I get he may need a couple of days to come to terms with his loss...got to be painful.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:21 PM

9. Your agonized cries fall upon deaf ears

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #9)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:16 PM

130. You seem to have difficulty understanding this

 

It's not an opinion of DUers that this will happen, ITS THE OWNER and OPERATOR of DU that it is saying it's going to happen.

Make sense? Got it?

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #130)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:49 AM

306. Bless you child.

You are wise beyond your years.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:22 PM

13. June 16 will come with great disappointment to many Bernie haters.

 

They will sadly await the great pumpkin purge. The vast majority of Bernie haters take any comment on Hillary that is not glowing praise as attacks and helping trump. They are delusional and will sorely disappointed when the most Bernie supporters remain on this site and continue to criticize Hillary when warranted.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:48 PM

47. No not Bernie haters

It's all the fake Bernie supporters that everyone will be happy to see go, and some of the fake Hillary supporters. Sadly it seems the trolls and trouble makers for the most part picked Bernie to "claim" they supported. Anyone who only trashes the "other" candidate without discussing their candidates plans to fix the country are trolls in my book, and I for one will be very happy to see them go no matter who they claimed to support.

I also think that those who hate DU, the Democratic party, and pretty much any Democrat the doesn't see things their way, would be better off over on some other board where they can complain all day long with others that feel the same way.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:27 PM

161. You talk like you're not a Democrat.

...like you'll fight the Democratic candidate all the way to election day and demand a forum to do so.

It's not even between the lines.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #161)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:50 PM

173. Go fly a kite

 

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #161)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:12 PM

187. You have a problem with reading comprehension then.

 

Democrats, like me, have every right to criticize our candidates, our nominee and even our president. If you have a problem with that, it's on you.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #187)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:34 AM

295. Good luck with that.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:20 PM

197. The thing is that you will no longer be the one to judge what is

warranted.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #197)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:28 PM

203. I've never been the judge.

 

Read the answer to my ATA post. You will be sorely mistaken to see justified criticism permitted after presumptive nominee status is declared. DU will not become a Hillary echo chamber on June 18.

Trolls will be banned and that is good, but it will not be all praise to Hillary.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #203)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:41 PM

230. Yes it will. It will be all positive Hillary concerning the general.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #230)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:59 PM

234. You'll be foot stomping angry about it, but you are wrong.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:11 AM

326. lol, as if Sanders's dead end supporters here have ever had a moment

where they didn't think trashing and hating on Clinton wasn't 'warranted'

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #326)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:28 AM

345. The Bernie haters will also stomp feet and gnash teeth!

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #345)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:40 AM

364. We're perfectly happy to ignore him once the voting is over nt

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Response to morningfog (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:56 PM

436. You should read Skinners original post

It is clear...that attacking the Dem nominee will not be permitted and will get you tombstoned.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #436)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:50 PM

437. Lol. He affirmed what I said. There will not be a great purge.

 

We will be free to criticize.

What you see as an attack is often just the news. That's the reality with Hillary as a nominee.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:23 PM

14. That day cannot come too soon!!

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:24 PM

16. I don't see what the issue is really. Once the nominee is official it should be obvious.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #16)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:43 PM

40. I don't think it will be official until the convention. That is the point.

 

His point....conversation closed. It's his right so I'm not questioning that. Just wonder how the business end will work out.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:25 PM

17. I think he's being very generous by not calling it on June 8th

June 15 should be very interesting around here.

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #17)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:40 PM

35. I think he is calculating how much income could be lost if this site trims to only Hill supporters.

 

I wonder what the numbers look like? Over the last six months many people have been mocked and called out for standing up for Democratic values. The question is, if people walk do they come back?

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Response to peace13 (Reply #35)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:50 PM

49. I plan to send an additional amount once this crazy stuff ends.

I think there are others who feel the same way. We will make sure DU survives to serve Democrats for a long time to come.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #49)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:56 PM

213. By "Democrats" do you mean "new" Democrats, 3rd Way Dems, DLC, Blue Dogs

 

or do you mean FDR/Kennedy/Johnson/Carter Democrats?

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Response to senz (Reply #213)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:36 PM

225. I mean people who care about peace talks, and health care....

 

...and education and leaders who follow the laws. I don't think those people turned in any direction or color. People who have lost their moral compasses......I don't know what you call them.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #35)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:58 PM

56. I guess only time will tell

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:53 AM

321. True.

 

The deadline will be the division. Part of the problem is that people do not know the difference between criticism and discussion of issues. Examples: calling a person who plotted and killed someone a murderer is not criticism. It is an obvious deduction of the facts. (For clarification I am not saying either candidate is a murder? Discussing two videos of a person saying two different things during the same election cycle is an observation of actual words that were said, not a criticism. Pointing out damaging results of a candidates policies is not criticism it is a discussion of facts. It will be impossible to have any discussion here in the near future. Du will cease to be a discussion board.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #321)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:28 AM

371. Skinner has explained more in the Ask the Administrators forum

It sounds like there will still be plenty of discussion here in the near future.


We have no intention of purging anyone, and we have no intention of disallowing good-faith discussion of the issues. I think most people are going to be fine with that. But there are going to be a a few people (including both Hillary and Bernie supporters) who are going to be disappointed because the massive crackdown they have been hoping for does not come to pass.

Most people think the big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing Hillary Clinton. Yes, that's part of it -- but it's not the only thing and it's definitely not the most important thing. The really big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing each other.

Throughout this primary season we have been in a death spiral of declining standards. So we are going to institute some rules, and we will expect everyone to follow those rules, and we will expect everyone to enforce those rules when they serve on juries. The rules shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone -- they are mostly common sense, and they are basically the same rules we had for years when we had moderators: No personal attacks, no broad-brush group attacks, no bigotry, no right-wing smears or sources against Democrats, no advocating for spoilers or republicans, no meta-discussion, etc.

I am just so tired of people bashing each other and bashing Democrats on this website. I know the hardcore partisans will try to paint this whole thing through the Hillary vs Bernie lens, and drive that wedge as hard as they can, but that is just so not where I am at right now. I don't care who anyone has supported in the primaries -- I really don't. As long as you treat your fellow DU members with respect, stop tearing down Democratic public figures (including Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and everyone else), and don't advocate for Donald Trump or some lost-cause third-party spoiler candidate, then you'll be fine.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910488


But basically, I think it comes down to this:

If you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to help her succeed, then you'll be fine. But if you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to tear her down, then you won't be fine.

Now, I'm not a mind reader and I can't know for certain what everyone's intentions are. But I think that if the criticism is coming from a place of "wanting her to succeed" then that will be reflected in the tone and substance of the post. If the criticism is coming from a place of "wanting to tear her down" then that will be reflected in the tone and substance of the post. If you are here on DU then you are supposed to be supporting the Democratic nominee against the Republican nominee in the general election -- it shouldn't be very hard to write a post in a way that sounds like it.

I believe that it will be possible to discuss every substantive issue that DUers might want to discuss.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910519

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Response to peace13 (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:00 AM

323. Replying to my post to clarify that concern for preserving the income stream is an important part..

 

..of any business. The issues with Clinton's viability as a candidate have put DU in an awkward position.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:21 AM

355. I doubt he'll lose a dime from the few screeching regulars who visit here.

There's massive money to be made off people who come here strictly to read the links to news sites, who occasionally read a thread but really use this place as a source of links to current events and a four paragraph briefing of What's Happening Now--sort of like a Cliff Notes for news. They don't "join," they don't even lurk, often as not, they just read a bunch of links and move on.

That's where the money is. Not from the lot of us whining and crying.

Also, I notice that some of the biggest complainers from the We Won't Be Able To Rudely Trash Clinton Brigade are a) New and b) Not contributors to this site. They won't be missed because they've probably been here before and will be here again. They'll just have to pick a new screen name and keep their head down so they don't call attention to themselves.

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Response to MADem (Reply #355)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:17 AM

370. Yes I've noticed both sides with no stars.

 

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Response to peace13 (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:46 PM

402. He debunked that straw man in the ATA section.

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:26 PM

21. For those who need it, June 7 is the day the

primary is actually called, but DU is kindly giving the forum a week to get used to the nominee and the transition. It'll be interesting to see how people use it. This is my first election on DU, so I'm going to take a few hundred people I just got tired of off ignore to see DU as it is.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #21)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:30 PM

22. WTF? Your first phrase makes no sense. What primary? California? What's it called?

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #22)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:59 PM

58. New Jersey

I can't copy the link, but there's a thread in GD: P and an article on 538. The current theory is that the nominee will be called after NJ - prior to poll closing in CA.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #58)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:23 PM

85. I saw a "math" post today that made clear it's nearly impossible for either candidate to ...

 

... clinch the nomination before the convention. Unless one or the other drops out, it appears there will still be a race beyond mid-June.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #85)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:39 PM

105. It depends on your definition of clinch

There is another thread that explains this better than I will: since Mondale (84), the party and the media have declared presumptive nominees based on pledged delegates + declared superdelegates. Sanders supporters (like Clinton supporters in '08) are less than thrilled by this. Nevertheless, that's what has been done.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #105)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:37 PM

393. the news media doesn't decide who the nominee is, regardless of who *they* decide to call on 6/7

 

The nominee is decided at the convention by the superdelegates.

There is a very good chance that by the end of July superdelegates will have very good reason to surprise us all in good conscience.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #393)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:35 PM

400. Skinner is expecting DUers to support whoever the media designates as the presumptive nominee

Skinner has indicated that, as far as he is concerned, GD: P shuts down as of 6/15, and DUers are expected to support the presumptive nominee at that point. If you have additional comments/questions/concerns, talk to Skinner. AtA is your friend here. I can't help you.

The Superdelegates are going to vote as they've currently indicated. I'll stipulate that if there is an indictment, that could (not necessarily will) change. Otherwise, I expect the SDs to vote as they've already indicated, which is overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #400)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:19 PM

412. re: the superdelegates

 

anything could happen by the end of July.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #412)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:24 PM

420. Sure - Michelle Obama could win Powerball

We could start 3d printing live turtles

Manitoba could suddenly become the world's celebrity destination

All of these are about as likely as a superdelegare crossover of the magnitude Bernie Sanders would need.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #420)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:47 PM

428. oh, I don't expect they'll turn to Sanders

 

but I would not be surprised to see them turn to somebody not Clinton or Sanders in a brokered convention

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #428)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:59 PM

430. I still think we're in 3d printed turtle territory

I think there's a much better shot of Clinton/Sanders.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #430)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:07 PM

431. time will tell.

 

but I do think there is a zero percent shot of Clinton/Sanders.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:31 PM

23. So no truthful posts about any of HRC's flaws will be allowed. Got it.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #23)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:34 PM

26. Your associates already have a site where you trash Hillary 24/7

Isn't that enough?


I can't go to Free Republic, the Conservative Cave, and the site whose name shall not be mentioned and trash Donald Trump.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #26)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:36 PM

29. "truthful" Is that so wrong??

No one can be "trashed" by the truth.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #29)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:39 PM

34. The raison d'etre of our august board

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #34)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:43 PM

39. There's plenty of room in there for criticism

meant to be constructive, but of course the devil's in the "meant to be." Malice is actually really hard to both hide and express.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #29)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:05 PM

70. They don't want to hear the truth. That much is obvious. nt

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Response to Name removed (Reply #252)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:54 PM

254. This is the fifth post of mine you have responded to this evening.

I don't know whether to be flattered or concerned about all the attention you are paying to me. You are going to make my girlfriend jealous.


Do you like my new avatar?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #259)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:03 AM

262. Isn't your spouse missing you?

See, I live in a studio apartment so I am never be out of the sight of my significant other.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #262)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:23 AM

358. Name Removed was apparently trying real hard to bite your butt, eh?

That didn't work out too well, I see! Now I'm curious as to what his august words might have been--lol!

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Response to MADem (Reply #358)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:25 AM

360. Seven responses to me in a period of an hour or so !

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #360)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:38 AM

363. Grrrr! Grrrr! It's hell to be loved! He's probably already back with another account.

I wish the admins could solve THAT problem--that would probably be the the greatest improvement to civility here than anything else they can do. Returning troll-socks, they're everywhere!

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Response to MADem (Reply #363)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:42 AM

365. And if you aren't careful in calling them out your post can be hidden.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #365)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:45 AM

366. Oh, yeah! Ain't that the truth! nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:15 PM

409. I'm not so sure about that. I do not read those sites but I do know that Trump is

opposed by many conservatives

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Response to panader0 (Reply #23)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:03 PM

67. False right wing attacks, you mean.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #23)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:07 PM

237. They allowed criticism last election

The only thing that was off limits was advocating voting for anyone other than the candidate. I'm fine with the Bernie people staying and criticizing, but posts with right wing sources ought to be banned. They lie about the Clintons with every breath.

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #237)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:46 AM

281. Things are different this election, the DU admins favor the nominee this time.

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #281)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:41 PM

435. Yeah

I read the message from Skinner. It will be tighter this time

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Response to panader0 (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:28 AM

375. Well there's truth..

then there's propagandist bullshit.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:26 PM

397. And no negative posts about Sanders either

It's time to move on to the real enemy.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:33 PM

24. Thank goodness....

I am so tired of all of the hate being spread on DU. I cannot wait until June 16th....YEAH!

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:33 PM

25. In my mind...I can't imagine it.

 

I hope the Hillary supporters can be positive. For me I will be watching and waiting, silently. I just can't imagine how we are to put all faith that she doesn't get indicted. I'm a liberal person but move conservatively in my convictions. If I had a business partner that did what she did with corporate information, I would end the relationship. Yet we are told to sit down and shut up. No worries.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:34 PM

27. Oligarchy!

Hillary Goldman Sachs!
Lolita Island!
Hillary hates kids!
Hillarites get on their knees and pray to their money God!
EMAILSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Indict now.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for fascism!!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #27)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:42 PM

38. that's bullshit

you missed "sheeple".

and I think the number one belongs between the 3rd and 4th exclamation point.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #38)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:53 PM

174. Hillary supporters are not necessarily oligarchs

 

they just wish they were. Maybe "sheeple" does fit.

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Response to OwlinAZ (Reply #174)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:22 PM

455. We are about to elect a president

you?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:37 PM

30. Oh good, the last day I have to see posts from rabid Hillary supporters.

Boy my ignore list will fill up fast on that day.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #30)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:10 PM

152. Bzzzzt

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:38 PM

32. That's going to be one interesting day. Perhaps the ranks of DU will swell as much as the

 

Democratic Party's ranks have swollen in recent years.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:39 PM

33. Thats

a long. time. from. now.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:40 PM

36. Yea Hillary!...(((echo....echo....echo....echo....)))

Gonna get pretty quiet around here if Hillary "wins"....
I'm guessing this is happening prior to the convention so that Bernie's folks can't
plan strategy for the convention?

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Response to Lodestar (Reply #36)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:53 PM

53. Right. This is the principal site for Clinton supporters to plan stategy.

13 million lurkers, I guess.

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Response to onenote (Reply #53)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:00 PM

60. +1 That's a lot of voters.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 05:53 PM

51. An artists rendition of the coming Exodus.



...And the sea parted..

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #51)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:00 PM

59. The chosen, leaving a life of bondage....

 


Fitting.



Thanks for pointing it out so well.




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Response to CentralMass (Reply #51)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:01 PM

215. Thank you.

 

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:01 AM

261. Naw..it will be more like this...

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:01 PM

64. Tribal warfare will officially end.

Kiss and make up brothers and sisters, but no tongue damn it.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:02 PM

65. Two.... More..... Weeks. Oh Lordy, can do. lol.

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:07 PM

71. This post is very interesting

My first thought way, "Chompin' at the bit, aye?" That reaction, on closer inspection, seems to be correct especially given some of the responses by Hillary supporters. But more deeply, it shows that Hillary supporters really want a space where there is no contention - that everybody agrees. It fits very well with all the posts that show Hill supporters completely bent out of shape about Sanders not being a Democrat (tm), or other people not being Real Democrats (tm).

It speaks to people who want their "tribe" more than anything. That's usually something I associate with good ol' boys flying the "Rebel" or Gadsten flags - republicans - but it seems to apply to this sub-group of Democrats (tm) as well. These are the same people who were (and probably still are) apoplectic about Edward Snowden. They would totally be on his side if he had done what he did under Bush, and in fact people have said that. However, since he embarrassed a Democrat (tm), they hate him.

This is the same kind of emotion that fuels racism - us vs. them, loyalty to a tribe, or however you want to put it. It's not a matter of ideas. And because it's not based on arguments or real positions, it doesn't get much traction with people who don't have the same belief, the same faith. I suppose that the Hillary supporters don't care about that either, because they don't want people who aren't of the same religion - who are not of the body - contaminating their tribe. They also would be more concerned with "suporting their candidate" than in preventing Trump from being president, although they'll use him to scare people into supporting Hillary.

Anyway, this OP provides a great deal of insight, or at least proof, of who the Hillary supporters are.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #71)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:09 PM

72. Actually, it's Skinner and DU that will put the foot down...

You should read the link.

This is how it's been done in previous general elections when Hillary wasn't the nominee.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #72)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:15 PM

75. Skinner has stated it won't happen until after the convention

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #75)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:17 PM

78. June 15th will be the last day is what Skinner wrote today. n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #78)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:18 PM

79. Link please

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #79)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:21 PM

82. Did you read the OP? It's right there. n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #82)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:25 PM

89. June 16 from the link.

 

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Response to B Calm (Reply #89)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:30 PM

94. June 15th is the last day of primary season

 

June 16th is the first day of general election season.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #94)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:37 PM

103. Correct

 

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #82)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:24 PM

135. ...

 

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #135)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:06 PM

180. Ok

That made me laugh.

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #135)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:27 PM

202. Perfect. nt

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #135)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:09 PM

238. I need to make that my freaking avatar. That's gonna be ME in about 30 years!

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #72)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:16 PM

77. I saw the post earlier

It doesn't matter to what I posted above. you all point to "the rulez" as the reason to ban all anti-Hillary comments, but it's really a matter of wanting you tribe, safe space, utopia, whatever.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #77)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:20 PM

81. This is how it's been done for years here...

It's also point blank explained in the TOS. This site supports Dem candidates and it's clear that no matter who the nominee is, that is who this site will support whether it's Hillary or Bernie.

If you can't accept the rules or what the owners and moderators decide, DU may not be the place for you.

DU is not a free speech zone.

The choice is yours.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #81)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:48 PM

108. Again, I see you claiming it's "teh rulez"

... and the point doesn't matter with regards to what I posted.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #108)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:10 PM

153. Did you read the TOS when you joined?

It's right there and the admins have pointedly stated this.

Had you been around here longer and actually read what the admins said you'd know this is normal standard practice during presidential elections. Still don't believe it? Research the archives into previous elections and you'll see for yourself.

But you'll believe whatever you want in order to convince yourself that the deck is stacked against poor defenseless Bernie.

I feel like I'm arguing with a science denier.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #153)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:13 PM

154. Still at "teh rulez"

I'm not disagreeing with that, but it has no bearing on what I posted. You are banging on this to distract away from what I posted, but it isn't going to work.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #154)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:18 PM

158. Not distracting, I'm outright arguing with what you posted...

It's ludicrous.

You are choosing to remain willfully ignorant of DU's history and the rules (which you agreed to, BTW, when you joined) in order to retain a fantasy that does not exist.



DU probably isn't the place for you if you can't handle that this forum will support the Dem nominee and will ban any and all trashing of her when the general election season begins.

Good luck to ya, pal.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #158)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:04 PM

236. Again, I'm not even arguing the rulez

However, you focus only on that rather than the content of what I posted.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #236)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:35 AM

329. The content is sore loserism.

It's name calling because your guy isn't winning. What else you choose to call it is purely your inability to accept the facts as they are not as you want them to be. Hey, we have all had to deal with this in politics, personally and professionally. I don't know a person who hasn't. If you want to Hillary bash, or if the shoe was on the other foot, Bernie bash, your place will not be here. Simple.

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Response to Loki (Reply #329)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:22 AM

357. If the problem were the content, C. wouldn't keep bringing it back to "teh rulez"

But he did, and did not mention anything that I actually did write.

It's funny that Hill supporters spend so much effort proclaiming that she's winning but don't talk about issues. Then, when non-Hill supporters do talk about issues, it's sore loserism (coined from when 2000 in Bush vs. Gore - nice history).

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #357)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:40 PM

386. You continue to ignore that

Those of us who support Hillary do discuss issues but you don't pay attention to that either. You don't want a discussion you want your way. You don't want rules that you disagree with which we recognize are part of any society or this website. Sometimes things don't go your way. We will support a candidate that is the Democratic nominee. Period. Human and flawed just like the rest of us but certainly not the monster that the republicans have created. That is the danger we all face and it's an abomination.

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Response to Loki (Reply #386)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:57 PM

391. Again, I'm not arguing about the rulez

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #77)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:09 PM

182. No, it is a Democratic site supporting the Democratic nominee.

And Bernie is not the nominee.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #71)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:12 PM

185. Only in your mind

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #71)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:07 PM

217. Excellent analysis. Deep and true.

 

But they won't be able to comprehend it.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #71)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:17 PM

241. I checked out the site the Bernie folks are fleeing to

They ban anybody who isn't for Bernie. So its pick your echo chamber if anything. If the Bernie people prefer to have opposing opinions they could go to Discussionist. I don't think many will though. I think most of them are very closed minded.

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #241)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:05 AM

284. Where is the site? I want to see

 

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #241)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:51 AM

320. Sounds like DU, just the other way around.

 

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #71)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:13 AM

327. it means that those who want to help Trump win won't have a platform for their agenda here after

June 16.

Which is well overdue.

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Response to mindwalker_i (Reply #71)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:40 PM

423. Great post! The replies are very entertaining n/t

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Response to Kermitt Gribble (Reply #423)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:53 PM

427. Thank you

I find the replies kind of sad. They avoid discussing the actual content of what I posted and instead go off screaming about "teh rulez". It seems like a lot of people have found their synaptic off-switches.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:12 PM

73. "Post accordingly..." right back at you.



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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:18 PM

80. Lord 16 more days of conspiracy theories .

Onto electing our first woman president....another first for democrats, liberals and progressives

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #80)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:06 PM

179. They will have the joy one week to tell us how Hillary stole CA

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:23 PM

84. Thank God.

I mean, Skinner...

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #84)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:29 PM

204. You mean Sid. nt

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:24 PM

88. The agony of defeat will be on full display here in the next two weeks.......LOL

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #88)

Tue May 31, 2016, 09:05 PM

177. It's on display in this thread

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #88)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:58 PM

450. Yeah. And this kind of bullshit ends then too......LOL

Clinton bashing comes to an end, and so does being a shithead to Sanders supporters. "Civility" is what Skinner is going for so enjoy the "LOL" posts until then.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:27 PM

92. If Hillary is still ahead at that point,

it will be interesting to the threads switch over to "how in the world do we defend her against herself and Trump?".

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:31 PM

95. I think most progressives have been slowly leaving anyway

I think the centrist have taken over DU for the most part over the last few months. This is nothing new.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:32 PM

96. I am ready to go.

Do not want to leave with my account open. How do I completely erase myself? Thank you.

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #96)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:34 PM

100. You can't. You can erase your posts, but your account will remain.

Just go, if you're going.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #100)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:35 PM

101. .

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #96)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:36 PM

102. You don't need to do anything

 

Just don't login.

That shouldn't be too difficult.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #102)

Tue May 31, 2016, 08:36 PM

164. He/she will be back

Imagine searching the internet for an intelligent forum that hates everyone on the ballot.

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #96)

Tue May 31, 2016, 10:35 PM

224. Dont give the f'n assholes the satisfaction. Keep your account. Take a break from POTUS stuff

 

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:33 PM

99. Hallelujah!!

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:49 PM

110. This means all the Hill-fans will need to get in line behind Bernie.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #110)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:52 PM

115. Absolutely

 

assuming of course Bernie is leading in total delegates.

He will need to win by huge margins in CA, NJ, and other states.

He will also need most of the super delegates to switch from Hillary to him.

Good luck, Berns.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #115)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:09 PM

123. Assuming, also of course, that Hillary may be forced to bow out

due to the ever increasing scandal surrounding her reckless handling of state secrets on her private server and personal blackberry.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #110)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:59 AM

307. We don't stand behind a man.

We are amazing and stand front and forward always.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:50 PM

113. More exciting than the conventions!


Well, maybe not Trump's.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 06:55 PM

118. What will be interesting is the news stories that will

 

continue to evolve regarding the e-mail situation. The FOIA will continue to have more batches released from their law suit... As well, the FBI should be wrapping up its investigation into the e-mail/ private server situation. And they will begin to take a look at the State Dept and possible bribery through the Ckinton Foundation. That was expected to run during 2017.

What a damn mess the establishment has cooked up all because "it's her turn". They could have had a "welcoming" primary season where several democratic contenders decided to step into the race. The American People could have had the chance to see the "adults" debate one another over the 2015 season and help to delegitimize Trump before he could become the Republican leader.

But, oh no, the DNC set itself up under Debbie like it was another Clinton campaign apparatus. Super Delegates aligned up under Clinton before anyone else had even announced. No wonder a "draft Warrenl campaign didn't happen! The fact that Bernie made the race so competitive was the longest shot in the world... And even now, the entire process has stunk to high heaven. Throwing people off rolls or switching their party affiliation mysteriously. Exit polls varying wildly in favor of HRC, yet the Republican exit polls on the same days of the primary, matching up as they should. And in many states, the entire elected body of democrats in office, lining up behind Clinton to influence the race as much as possible.

In an anti-establishment year, the democracts have run the MOST establishment candidate they could find. And in all this time, from 2008 until 2016, no one could come up with a message? No one could come up with an inspiring platform? She couldn't find her "moon" or "Manhattan Project" to inspire people for?
She couldn't find a leadership direction to take point on and lead? The message in most people's minds are the following: "it's her turn", "I'm female", and "I'm not Trump"... This will absolutely NOT inspire those elusive "swing voters" who identify as independent to even bother voting! And with the e-mail scandal blowing up in her face, the democrats are going to lose the White House. president obama's legacy will be ruined.

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Response to glowing (Reply #118)

Tue May 31, 2016, 11:51 PM

251. Worse will be if HRC is indicted and cannot maintain "her crown."

In that case then, there will only be HRC cheerleaders left here to praise and promote the sad carcass of a failed campaign. What an horrific, avoidable mess that will be. How can the DNC, and DU for that matter, think that voters will go along under these circumstances... hypothetically speaking, of course?

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Response to AmBlue (Reply #251)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:30 AM

361. And after the IG report, news talking heads flabbergasted that

 

they were lied to about the e-mail situation saying they are stunned that they were lied to (when many of us who have read the random report here or there that has actually covered the e-mail situation in news reports have said its apparent she's lying and the media isn't doing its due dilligence and the party is making a horrific mistake in allowing someone to run for President who is under FBI investigation in the first place)... It's such a damned mess!!!

Honest to God, I can't understand why there isn't a parade of Democrats in the states to still vote and from the House and Senate, not saying to the media everytime they are in front of a camera, that they would hope for the sake of the party and the election in November, that Clinton should drop out now... No, instead you have Jerry Brown, Boxer, and Feinstein endorsing her candidacy and defending her actions in running the State Dept. seriously, Senator Feinstein, the most pro-war Democratic female Senator, who has in the past, been incredibly concerned with national security issues, stating that the e-mail issue involving Hillary is nothing, no big deal, nothing to see people.

AND if the FBI doesn't conclude there's enough for and indictment or the DOJ doesn't want to pursue criminal charges, then every right wing talking point from here to there, will be saying that President Obama's DOJ is politically protecting "crooked Hillary"... And it will only make President Obama lose favorablity in the eyes of the public. AND be the one scandal that has or may actually have occurred under his watch... And isn't it interesting that it's a Clinton, again, bringing scandal into the Executive Branch of govt... Will the American people trust her to do the business of the people for them? People thought Bernie was being "tough" on her, the Republicans know one thing, and that's how to win; they can't govern for shit, but they sure know how to attack relentlessly, unfairly, and often lie to win elected seats.

This scandal is only going to drive people out of the Democratic Party. And if enough of new people who entered the party only to vote for Bernie, and politicians who identify as progressive, decide to form a new party, a people's party, the Democratic Party might as well consider closing its doors for good. We already have a pro-business, pro-corporate party. We don't need two.

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Response to glowing (Reply #118)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 07:52 AM

335. yep-- what a freaking mess

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:10 PM

125. K&R

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:12 PM

127. Good. Many thanks Skinner.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:17 PM

132. "get it out of their systems". like this?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:38 PM

137. Good to know! We'll be setting a countdown timer!

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Tue May 31, 2016, 07:39 PM

138. Long awaited, happily welcomed.

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