Where will all the Hillary haters go

[workinclasszero]

When she is declared the democratic nominee June 7th shortly after NJ polls close?

[bravenak]

1. Hopefully kicking rocks

[reformist2]

111. With the prospect of indictment looming, nothing will be decided until the convention.

[workinclasszero]

118. Its all in your head

You better pray harder to the Indictment Fairy.

[panader0]

334. Where did you go after this:????

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6106026&mesg_id=6106553

Can you spell hypocrisy?

[Chasstev365]

142. I can't hear you: La La La La (fingers in ears)

Either either Hillary supporters are in denial or they know, like the Bush family, that the rules don't apply to them.

[Gothmog]

154. Waiting for a Clinton indictment? Don’t hold your breath

I am amused by the Sanders supporters and republicans praying for an indictment http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/waiting-clinton-indictment-dont-hold-your-breath

The fact remains, however, that such a scenario is pretty far-fetched. Politico’s Josh Gerstein took a closer look today at the legal circumstances, and the reasons Clinton’s foes shouldn’t hold their breaths.

The examination, which included cases spanning the past two decades, found some with parallels to Clinton’s use of a private server for her emails, but – in nearly all instances that were prosecuted – aggravating circumstances that don’t appear to be present in Clinton’s case.

The relatively few cases that drew prosecution almost always involved a deliberate intent to violate classification rules as well as some add-on element: An FBI agent who took home highly sensitive agency records while having an affair with a Chinese agent; a Boeing engineer who brought home 2000 classified documents and whose travel to Israel raised suspicions; a National Security Agency official who removed boxes of classified documents and also lied on a job application form.

Politico’s examination seems to have only been able to find one person who sincerely believes Clinton will face prosecution: former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), who was a prosecutor and a Justice Department official before his partisan antics made him something of a clownish joke.

Among more objective observers, the idea of Clinton facing an indictment seems, at best, implausible. This is very much in line with a recent American Prospect examination, which reached the same conclusion.

TPM’s Josh Marshall published a related piece in February, after speaking to a variety of law professors and former federal prosecutors about the Clinton story. “To a person,” Josh wrote, they agreed the idea of a Clinton indictment is “very far-fetched.”

[NJCher]

225. your article is dated 4/11

You don't have anything more recent than that? With all due respect, an important report came out last week, and it completely obviates any articles before 5/25. This is the state department's inspector general report.

I wouldn't even bother quoting an article that old. This is a case that evolves daily, and the article was written long before this.

C'mon, surely your English professor in college taught you to be better than this.



Cher

[Gothmog]

231. Hillary Clinton is going to be exonerated on the email controversy

You want something more recent. That is so cute and adorable Here are some facts for you to ignore https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/06/hillary-clinton-is-going-to-be-exonerated-on-the-email-controversy-it-wont-matter/

The latest news on the Hillary Clinton email controversy reinforces everything we’ve heard so far on this subject:

Prosecutors and FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server have so far found scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules, though they are still probing the case aggressively with an eye on interviewing Clinton herself, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

FBI agents on the case have been joined by federal prosecutors from the same office that successfully prosecuted 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui — and who would handle any Edward Snowden case, should he ever return to the country, according to the U.S. officials familiar with the matter. And in recent weeks, prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Eastern District of Virginia and their FBI counterparts have been interviewing top Clinton aides as they seek to bring the case to a close.

That point about her intending to break classification rules is important, because in order to have broken the law, it isn’t enough for Clinton to have had classified information in a place where it was possible for it to be hacked. She would have had to intentionally given classified information to someone without authorization to have it, like David Petraeus did when he showed classified documents to his mistress (and then lied to the FBI about it, by the way). Despite the enormous manpower and time the Justice Department has devoted to this case, there has never been even a suggestion, let alone any evidence, that Clinton did any such thing.

So far no one has found evidence of intent.

[NJCher]

259. This article, too, is too old

It's a May 6 article. Please. I made it very clear in my post that it has to be recent and that means after the state department inspector general's report. That date would be after 5/25.

But you know, that doesn't matter a whit to you because here's your game: you're posting an article, hoping to refute me because you think no one will look it up. Well, I've looked up and I am once again pointing out that you are making a dishonest argument.

She's in big trouble, this is just the start of it, and everyone knows it.


Cher

[Gothmog]

265. The FBI has found no intent and there will be no indictment

I am amused by the sad but funny hopes of the Sanders people who know that Sanders is not going to be the nominee because Clinton defeated him. The IG report has no bearing at all on the issues being investigated by the FBI and if you think that it then thank you for the amusement. Sanders will not be the nominee even if Clinton was indicted because Sanders would be a very weak and vulnerable general election candidate.

I love it when laypersons attempt to reach legal conclusions. Their attempts are so weak that they are amusing. If you really think that the IG report will change things or prevent Clinton from being the nominee, then you are in for some disappointment. The indictment fairy will not grant your wish

[NJCher]

266. wrong again

"Intent" is not a factor. That's the law.

Anyway, I doubt that you're "amused," because you're probably all of 19 and you're too young to be amused. When you go back to college next fall, I recommend you repeat your 2nd semester English class--the one that teaches you how to make an argument. This time stay off your cell phone.

Also, just so you know, I am not a legal "layperson." I feel no need to elaborate on my professional background to you, however.


Cher

[puffy socks]

298. "Intent" is not a factor?

That's THE factor for any indictment on this! lol!

[leveymg]

303. You guys do nothing but push this false meme that specific intent is required. It's not.

read the statute. Doesn't say that intent to harm national security is required under 793(e), only an awareness it "could" do so. The standard for 793(f)(1) is "negligence". There is no particular intent mentioned under (f)(2), failure to report someone else's mishandling of classified information, in itself, is enough to commit that felony provision.

Here's the relevant parts of the statute:

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

( . . .)

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.

[puffy socks]

308. Are you for real?

Here you are grasshopper:


has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

reason to believe,

- since they changed the classification of most of those "top secret" emails after the fact that argument that she had" reason to believe it could do harm" is invalid.

Willfully means a voluntary, intentional violation of a known legal duty. In other words, the defendant must have acted voluntarily and intentionally and with the specific intent to do something that the law forbids; that is to say, with a purpose either to disobey or disregard the law."

[leveymg]

342. "Could be" in (e) is a much lower threshold of intent than "will be" in (a)

That'd the intent part of this section of the Sec. 793. "Willfully" means knowingly as opposed to "accidentally" or without guilty knowledge, which is simple mens rea - not the same thing as specific criminal intent that applies only to subsections (a), (b) and ( g).

If you don't believe me, read the DOJ US Attorney Handbook and the DOD JA Corps guidelines and memos from the Manning prosecution I excerpted and linked to in the Hillary had Guilty Knowledge article I linked above.

Skip the cliche grasshopper references. You're not familiar with this material.

[Separation]

360. OK grasshopper explain this one

In many posts I have explained that I dealt with classified intel on an almost daily basis. I have also told the tales of people losing their careers and being charged with mishandling classified materials. Here is one of those tales. In the operations room there are no cell phones allowed in, you have to leave them at the door. You also have to know the combination to get into said room. Once in the room there are many cabinets all with double combo locks or key locks on them, with said keys being locked into another lockbox. One member forgot to engage one of the locks in a double locked cabinet and left for chow. The only thing that was unsecure in that room was that one lock on a double locked cabinet. While at chow, the Staff Duty Officer was making his rounds and found that the cabinet was not double locked. That member was brought up on charges, lost her security clearance and ended up in jail for 60 days.

Tell me, where was the intent on her part? It was an honest to goodness brain fart on her part and she was toasted and fried! Not many people have experience dealing with classified, secret, & top secret material. I do, I am familiar with people losing their jobs and not having many good outlooks on further jobs.

She knew, she was told not to have her own personal email server. To me it reeks of "I am above that and I can do what the hell I want", and it really pisses me off!

[puffy socks]

361. She didnt break the law fool,

Now PROVE intent which it plainly states IN THE STAUTE. Oh thats right laws and rules don't count for Berenie's camp.
do you not understand what a staute is? it literally says "willfully" Look up willfully since you seem confused on the subject, dear.

and I'm familiar with security at NORAD , and Peterson AFB, as my Repubican brother in law has worked for 17 years now. and although it pains him so, even he admits this is a witch hunt.. So please spare me the bullshit.

[Separation]

362. You spare me "the bullshit you fool"

YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT SECURITY You think because your brother works at NORAD makes you some sort security expert? Get off your high fucking horse. And don't call me dear, buddy. I'm also not your buddy, guy.

[puffy socks]

364. So you're mad because other people understand security and it doesnt jibe with your supposed

experience?

You sound too erratic and temperamental to have such a job. Calm down, buddy.

My BiL does and Ill take his word over yours any day.

[Separation]

366. Let me know how to get in whatever reality you live in

It sounds fun! You call me a fool and then say I spewing bullshit and then say that my temperamental isnt suited for my job? Wow Again lemme know what alternate reality you live in. Your passive aggressive BS might work on others, but not me

[Separation]

367. Oh, ask your BIL

What would happen to somebody at NORAD if they emailed classified documents to their home email address so they could get work done at home? Sure, there is no INTENT on them doing anything wrong. Im sure they wouldn't get into any trouble either.

[nadinbrzezinski]

311. Nope. Mens Rea not needed in a case like this one

For the simple minded, and this is not a tv show, like you really do not intent with drunk driving.

[puffy socks]

312. Been watching Legally blonde ?

It literally states that there must be intent in the statute.

[nadinbrzezinski]

313. You willl see and hopefully learn

[puffy socks]

314. uh huh.

so we've been hearing for months on end now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

315. It is not my business how the FBI will act

nor does this have to do at all with Bernie Sanders.

It is serious though... and I already know a few voters who are sitting out the upcoming primary due to it. Nope, not the sound and fury. The OIG report.. .

[puffy socks]

316. The FBI doesn't indict.

They have to send a recommendation to the DoJ --which isn't going to happen as pointed out in the statute. She broke no laws.
Good luck getting Loretta Lynch to indict.





"nor does this have to do at all with Bernie Sanders."
Strawman..I never said such a thing.


Let them sit at home and pout. It's pretty much what's expected from disgruntled whiners looking for any excuse to sit out and then try and blame someone else while whining about how unfair life is and doing nothing to work with others to accomplish the goals.. what else is new? It's the story of Bernard Sanders

[nadinbrzezinski]

317. I know that

but they precede the decision by the good folks at the DOJ unless they decide to do it at the same time. It has happened, but rarely. as in almost unheard off. So as I said, FBI comes first. Oh the other Inspector General Reports do come first too.

And all of you keep claiming this has to do with Sanders. No it has to do with national security.

[puffy socks]

319. I have never said this had anything to do with Sanders

so stop lying and saying I did.

I don't believe some of Bernie's supporters give a hoot about national security just that Hillary gets indicted so Bernie can be the nominee. Its that simple and that pathetic.

Bernie lost .

[nadinbrzezinski]

321. Nothing to do with Bernie

and I give two shits who your party nominates. I am not a fan of any politician, that includes Sanders.

For god sakes I cover the local version of these people. But national security is a major issue in this household. and what she did, would have my husband serving 15 to life in Club Fed.

[puffy socks]

322. What part of "she didn't break the law" do you not understand?

She didn't break the law so your husband wouldn't have served any time for not breaking the law either.

[nadinbrzezinski]

323. What part of people who have had clearances and know this

don't agree with you are you missing, and incidentally that includes lawyers. We shall see if our two tier "justice" system delivers again.

[puffy socks]

327. What's really hilarious is you assume no one else has ever had to deal with clearance.

And Hillary's lawyers and many others disagree. Welcome to why we have court rooms. Lawyers argue their points. Our side has the actual law on it "willful" written right in the statute. ...how about yours? Wishful thinking.

[nadinbrzezinski]

328. Of course they do

they are DEFENSE LAWYERS if they did not I would be shocked, that is called. Judicial Misconduct.

That is whY I asked a few who work in the field and are NEITHER DOJ, or her defense team. DOJ, of course she is guilty, defense team, are you shitting me? We have an adversarial system of justice, but one that is two tier. The well connected, rarely see the wrath, see the case with Patreaus. Intel folks are still pissed over that one. And for the record, I do not expect HRC to darken a court room, TOO WELL CONNECTED, and knows where a lot of the skeletons are. Have you have heard of the word Pardon?

Good

The opinion of a few of these lawyers is that the OIG report makes this recommendation far more likely. It is their opinion, but was told after reading the damn thing including footnotes and indices.

[snooper2]

356. You should go to DC and start really covering this, you could make it BIG TIME!

YOU CAN DO IT!

[leveymg]

343. Parts of Sec 793 are like DUI, no specific intent required to convict.

That is the case with subsections, d, e , and g. Mens rea in those parts of this statute is satisfied by the guilty knowledge that came from being constructively advised in her Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement that she signed as well as the NSA warning not to use her unsecure BlackBerry. She hooked it up and continued to use it on her private server anyway. That is proof it was done knowingly not accidentally.

[1StrongBlackMan]

305. LOL ...

I love it when laypersons attempt to reach legal conclusions.

I've been amused here for years. It's like watching a First Year debate Contract Law with Corbin ... because an internet article supports a position on consideration, they think they understand.

[Rattlesnake Chaser]

271. There is no question she is guilty. She admitted it, it's the punishment that fits the crime

The punishment should be that she withdraws her candidacy before the convention and she releases her delegates, or allow the delegates to vote their conscience without retribution.

[politicaljunkie41910]

267. The article references the ONLY cases which have been prosecuted.

All of which were more egregious than anything done by Hillary. The DoJ is not going to make a mockery of themselves by indicting someone this high up that they can't convict.

[MillennialDem]

348. There's a difference between waiting for the indictment and thinking there's an outside, but

non-zero chance of it happening.

Wouldn't predict a win in a baseball game if it's the bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, and the pitcher is at bat... but anything could happen.

[bravenak]

221. You can say that till your blue in the face and it makes no difference

It will be called when she reaches 2383. Obama will come out supporting her, the networks will call her presumptive nominee, newpapers, everyone but you guys.

[Gomez163]

301. BUT BUT HILLARY IS GOING TO BE INDICTED SO FITZMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LanternWaste]

304. Your magic thinking is not limited to merely the religious, it would seem.

Your magic thinking is not limited to merely the religious, it would seem.

[Number23]

292. I am CRYING at these folks screaming about how they'll all go to JackPine Rad's or wherever

I'm sitting really wondering if they think that anyone will give the first, fat, flying... fart where they go.

If that place was all that, they'd be on it now instead of DU anyway.

[Mr Maru]

320. RIGHT? They talk about what a paradise of "free speech" it is but read this:

we have a new rule: henceforth, any speculation about Bernie possibly not winning the Democratic nomination must be phrased as follows: "If Hillary and her DNC steals the election, and if Hillary is not indicted for the obvious criminally jeopardizing of national security by using a personal mail server as SOS to evade FOIA, then..."

This not only captures the truth, it's something that a Brock-troll won't write, of course.

Failure to use this phrasing or something very close when speculating that Bernie might not win the nomination will result in a deleted post. The second time it happens, the poster will be banned.

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?9700-New-rule-for-posts-on-jpr

And yet THE SAME FOOLS whose names you will recognize at that size bitch and moan here about DU turning into an "echo chamber."

Hypocrisy tumbles from the top down.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/8/15/1409803/-Introducing-Bernie-Sanders-the-Hypocrite

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."

[PeaceNikki]

324. Wow.

[Number23]

340. Wait... is that shit for real???!! OH MY GODD!!!!

"If Hillary and her DNC steals the election, and if Hillary is not indicted for the obvious criminally jeopardizing of national security by using a personal mail server as SOS to evade FOIA, then..."

This not only captures the truth, it's something that a Brock-troll won't write, of course.

Failure to use this phrasing or something very close when speculating that Bernie might not win the nomination will result in a deleted post. The second time it happens, the poster will be banned.

[Mr Maru]

344. Oh, it's real. Check some of the names on this thread of "Hillary Nicknames"

Some of them at least "appear" familiar. Wife showed me this one Monday night.

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?10687-Hillary-nicknames

Very interesting, that.

[bravenak]

349. It's fucking killing me!

All this outrage aint healthy!

[MillennialDem]

347. LOL... yeah great way to win over BS supporters.

[HERVEPA]

352. Is this part of the new niceness you mentioned a bit ago?

[DURHAM D]

2. Back to the Cave and

the MRA sites.

[roguevalley]

89. she won't have delegate votes to go to the election and win. Counting super delegates

in is bogus and the DNC said for news outlets to stop it. I assume all the HRC 'hater' name callers will go back to seventh grade.

[Thor_MN]

295. Bogus? You do understand that the first vote at the convention includes the super delegates?

"Super delegates don't count" has always been an empty meme to give hope to Sanders supporters. In the very unlikely scenario that Sanders can catch up in pledged delegates, he would then have a chance at flipping super delegates. If he remains in second place, there is no chance the super delegates flip.

[geek tragedy]

3. There are a few hate sites where so called progressives

get off on calling her the c-word. One of those in all likelihood.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

229. I don't get why they don't go there now instead of hovering around DEMOCRATIC Underground.

[Hortensis]

263. Oh, yes. I heard about one in particular

where a bunch already go to work off all the bile that hasn't been allowed even here. Must be quite a...party.

[LexVegas]

4. Most of them will conform and fall in line. nt

[reformist2]

112. Guess again.

[bvf]

217. That's the spirit!

Here's your shiny quarter.

Don't spend it all at once, y'hear?

[coyote]

300. You need to up your meds.

[Jester Messiah]

5. If it happens? Elsewhere.

And you can have a great big echo chamber all to yourself, and frolic in blissful ignorance right up until she loses horribly. Won't that be wonderful?

[geek tragedy]

12. Yes it will. And she's going to beat Trump whether you want her to or not.

15 more days until the Great Enema.

[workinclasszero]

116. I agree!

The Great Enema...

[brush]

184. Trump will lose spectacularly.

Won't even be close.

We outnumber his racist, angry, white supporters.

[lagomorph777]

286. Green.

She lost me at "OIG"

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. More importantly, where will they be Nov. 8th?

[840high]

43. That's the question to ask.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

85. Back in their parents' basement?

[workinclasszero]

119. Good guess

[workinclasszero]

117. Voting republican?

Writing in Sanders name...which is also voting republican

Sitting home and allowing a fascist pig to take over the country because Hillary isn't pure enough for them...also voting republican

Voting third party..also voting republican

Or hopefully voting a straight democratic from top to bottom.

[NJCher]

227. word choice

Pure and Hillary do not belong in the same sentence.


Cher

[VulgarPoet]

357. Nice inner party math.

Does 2 + 2 equal 5 in your reality?

[stonecutter357]

147. licking tiny hands boots.

Last edited Mon May 30, 2016, 08:53 AM - Edit history (1)

[lagomorph777]

287. In the voting booth, voting Green.

She blew it. Big time.

Some will vote Green, while the Trumpsters vote orange.

[puffy socks]

7. Back to Free Republic

and Brietbart

[anotherproletariat]

9. Exactly!! nt

[workinclasszero]

10. I was thinking those hate sites as well

[GRhodes]

86. Yeah

there's no such thing as a left of center critique of a corrupt, center-right and hawkish Democrat like Hillary Clinton. Noam Chomsky never said anything critical about her corrupt husband, and we all know that Chomsky is a closet right winger, because in our Clinton bubble, there is no difference between a left wing and a right wing critique of Clinton.

You should be focusing what Sanders supporters will do if she does get the nomination come November, cause if enough of them don't vote for Clinton she's toast, and she's already polling horribly.

[puffy socks]

152. Yeah

I'm not worried about the few Bernie fanatical fools who contine to try to threaten Hillary supporters with the passive aggressive "kiss my ass for my vote or else" line.

Most Sanders supporters have already stated they will vote for Hillary
72%.
Let me guess, that poll doesn't count.

[GRhodes]

158. Who the hell said to kiss my ass for my vote?

I ain't asking you for a damn thing, what the heck can Puffy Socks do for me? You can't make your candidate less corrupt, hawkish, and can't change the fact that she has spent decades enriching the rich and corporations. No one is threatening you, she's a horrible candidate and is tied with the most unpopular major party nominee in polling history nationally and in key swing states. All people like you can do is either attract people to her by making good arguments or alienate people by making bad arguments or by being rude, arrogant and dismissive. You are doing the latter. Given where she is at polling, I'd say that makes no sense.

Lots of polls say lots of things, as you know. All I can say is that she is polling horribly and if she thinks she can "pivot towards towards the center" to win basically three dozen votes, and if she thinks that the left will just fall in line, she's tone deaf and doesn't realize how much the country has changed since Bill was president.

[puffy socks]

161. These kinds of posts

"You should be focusing what Sanders supporters will do if she does get the nomination come November, cause if enough of them don't vote for Clinton she's toast..."

Are indeed the passive aggressive's threat.
DU is covered in the "well you're not convincing me" or how Hillary's supporters had better watch how we talk to Bernie's supporters if we expect their vote come November or we'll have a Trump presdency and it will be all Hillary and her supporters fault..yadda yadda.


I'm dismissive of these posts fishing for an ego stroking because most Sanders supporters are reasonable people.
They will vote for Hillary come Nov.
The rest can go hide whine and sulk for all I care. We're movin on without them.

[GRhodes]

172. How is it a threat?!

It's how democracy works. A candidate earns the vote of people or he or she doesn't. You seem to find it absurd that it is the case. No one is "threatening" anyone, they're saying that Clinton has to earn peoples' vote. You seem to find it badge of honor that you demand nothing of people like Clinton. I don't care one bit about you in all of this, because Puffy Socks isn't going to implement any policies. Puffy Socks' only role is to either draw people to Clinton online in the interactions Puffy Socks has with others, or to repulse people. Others can judge for themselves, but I would be less likely to vote for anyone you support after reading your posts. I also am not impressed by someone that is proud of the fact that they don't believe in issues enough to demand anything what so ever.

"They will vote for Hillary come Nov."

And I'll win the Lotto within the next month. There, we both believe things. Why would the left support someone that has gotten more money from Wall Street than all the other candidates combined, someone whose largest donors over her career are banks and other corporate interests? Why would the left support a war hawk? Why would the left support someone with her center-right economic record? Why would they support someone that will not structurally change the economy enough to help us avoid ecological collapse? Who knows, but I guess it helps if the left demands absolutely nothing what so ever and just asks corrupt center-right hawks like her to be less bad than Donald Trump. I am sure a majority (as in at least 51%) of Sanders' supporters will vote for her. Will it be enough? Maybe, but it isn't certain given her record, her corruption, the fact that she isn't liked or trusted. She's a very weak candidate, is tied with the most unpopular major party nominee in polling history. The two most unpopular nominees in polling history, possibly going toe to toe. Nothing is certain, and I think they'd both be bad for the country, just in different ways.

[puffy socks]

188. I love the fact you think you know what I think, and like so many other Bernie supporters

on here proceed to make arguments basd on what you've decided I think. Building strawmen to break down isn't winning an argument. Logical fallacy 101

"Why would the left support someone that has gotten more money from Wall Street than all the other candidates combined, someone whose largest donors over her career are banks and other corporate interests?"

Because her actual voting record and life long commitment to the middle class prove otherwise.
Not all bankers are corrupt. Anyone who thinks so is engaging in cult like behavior.
Banks are necessary to the economy. There is no legal recourse to "breaking them up" let alone any hint that breaking up a systemic problem will help a thing.

"Why would the left support a war hawk?"

She's no more a war hawk then Sanders . He in fact has more military votes under his belt..facts conveniently ignored and/or justified with Bernie bro bs.
Not one word, not one investigation points to any corruption. Nothing has ever been proved through numerous
investigations... even the IG on the report of the continued Benghazi email investigation faults the antiquity of the system.
And if you want to talk lies...Bernie has plenty. Transparency? where are the tax returns they promised months ago? Civil campaign ? HA!

"Why would the left support someone with her center-right economic record?"

That is a lie.

She's such a weak candidate she whipped Bernie's butt.

Polls mean nothing as was pointed out by the incessant howling with joy over the Bernie Michigan win when his supporters pointed to the polls and how wrong they were. What, now they're suddenly correct?
Naw, they're only correct when they favor the Bernie camp and incorrect when they favor the Bernie camp.

How is that a threat?

You're sitting here trying to convince me we need your votes..and if we dare point out Bernie LOST or that Hillary WON or that her record is Progressive we are told all of the things I quoted in my last post.

"You should be focusing what Sanders supporters will do if she does get the nomination come November, cause if enough of them don't vote for Clinton she's toast..."


And why should I do that? huh? Because they wont vote for her and a Trump presidency will happen?



Now either you're just not going to grasp it or you're being purposely obtuse.

[GRhodes]

196. "Not all bankers are corrupt"

LOL! The banks have bought the politicians to deregulate finance and derivatives (the BIS now says that the derivatives market is about 14 times the size of worldwide GDP), to gut the firewall between depository and investment banking, to bail them out (over a year's worth of GDP since the crash) with massive amounts of tax dollars (also in Mexico in the mid 90, SE Asia in the late 90's), to not indict their managers when they launder money for drug cartels and terrorist groups or when they rig bond auctions (which the mafia rose to power with) or the LIBOR (which cost the worldwide economy trillions), etc. That is what I am talking about, you ask nothing of her and provide cover for things you shouldn't. What an absurd comment to make, and telling too.

"Banks are necessary to the economy."

Yep, public or private banks are important. Warren has proposed a public banking option, a postal savings bank. The Bank of North Dakota, a state owned bank, is important too. Not sure what the hell that has to do with what we are talking about. Them being important doesn't mean they should grow to the size they have (the Fed and Treasury say they are too big), nor does it mean that they should be able to pay off politicians.

"There is no legal recourse to "breaking them up" let alone any hint that breaking up a systemic problem will help a thing."

You're just making things up. They can be broken up, in case you missed it, the argument with Sanders was about the mechanism in doing so. We also have anti-trust laws and given that our own government says that the 11 largest banks pose systematic risk to the entire US economy, you're just talking nonsense, plain and simple.

"Because her actual voting record and life long commitment to the middle class prove otherwise."

Nice claim. I'm the handsomest man in the world. I too can change objective reality with my mind.

"Polls mean nothing"

LOL! They started to mean nothing when the polls started to look bad for Clinton, as they have for some time. They were central to political analysis before that horrible candidate got support from people in the bubble like yourself. I guess Nate Silver is going on vacation until, what, July or August? Is that the silly argument? Are we to ignore polls on the November elections in regards to all races? Would be news to everyone outside your bubble.

"And why should I do that? huh?"

Cause she's a horrible candidate, as I said. She's disliked, not trusted, is corrupt, and is the most unpopular nominee in the Democrats' history. In fact, if she were running against anyone other than Trump, she'd be the most unpopular nominee in polling history, and she's tied with that creep. She also stands for everything the left is fighting against. Go ahead, stick your fingers in your ears, and continue to alienate people you'll need. The only role YOU can play is to draw people into her campaign, and you seem to only want to be arrogant and to assume away things you shouldn't.

I'm done with you. Others reading our exchange can take from it what they want and decide if you or I made the better case. Buena suerte.

[puffy socks]

199. Warren likes Clintons plan for the banks

Show me the laws that permit us to break up the banks...
it took a SCOTUS order to break up Standard Oil and AT & T agreed .

"Go ahead, stick your fingers in your ears, and continue to alienate people you'll need.

Passive aggressive threats again? ..
Like I said , there are very few Sanders supporters are that cult like. We don't need to try and reason with the ones that are because they were never going to vote for HC anyway. Ciao baby to those folks!

and this..

"Because her actual voting record and life long commitment to the middle class prove otherwise."

Nice claim. I'm the handsomest man in the world. I too can change objective reality with my mind.

The first is a fact the other an opinion.

"I'm done with you."

Yes, I know. You have no valid arguments and keep posting the same thing regardless of any facts to the contrary.
You are done. Bernie is done.
Hillary won!

[NJCher]

230. whew, that left me withering

Cher

[redstateblues]

329. Au contraire. It's at about 70% it was only 60% of HRC voters willing to vote for Obama in 08

[GRhodes]

345. This isn't 2008

and Hillary Clinton in 2016 is not Obama in 2008. The ideological differences between her and Obama were not much, not the same with Sanders and her. She isn't liked, trusted, is corrupt, and has a center-right, and hawkish, record. People know her much more than they did Obama in 2008 and they don't like her, especially people on the left. I live in a swing state anyway, and I won't vote for her. She stands for many things that are in opposition to my morals and my own interests.

[Gothmog]

155. Yep

[kerry-is-my-prez]

232. I see many who would be very comfortable there.

[uponit7771]

270. +1

[Number23]

293. NAILED it. And I love how they think that the rest of us will miss them.

[puffy socks]

297. They will not be missed

I can't wait until June 16th.

[XRubicon]

8. The Democrats will vote for Hillary

Who cares about the others...

[basselope]

15. That gives you 29% of the vote. Congrats.

[XRubicon]

19. 29% of what?

Democrats, GE voters ? What?

[basselope]

49. GE voters

B/c that's all the democrats got.

[XRubicon]

52. Will you vote for Hillary?

I will vote for Bernie if he wins.

[basselope]

64. Of course not.

I only registered with the democratic party to vote for Bernie and make it easy. I will go back to independent right after and will only vote for the democratic candidate if they are one that shares my values.. and Hillary certainly is not it.

[XRubicon]

67. Bub bye

[basselope]

76. You say goodbye.. and I say hello.

Hello Hello.

[XRubicon]

80. Hold the door!

Don't try the Beatles on me...

Are you a Democrat?

Edited: You are not a Democrat. I say goodbye, you say whatever the **** you want..

[basselope]

96. I'm independent

I dont believe in religion

[redstateblues]

190. Bernieism isn't a religion.

Promising things that can't be delivered is very much like a religion

[basselope]

194. You mistakes goals for "promises"

and having values and goals is not a religion.

Voting for a candidate completely incapable of doing the job just because of the letter next to their name... THAT'S religion.

[WhiteTara]

203. Then is your goal just to annoy?

This site is for democrats and if you aren't one, why bother?

[basselope]

208. Because my candidate of choice is running in the democratic primary.

Giving you an ACTUAL chance to win the white house in November, with ACTUAL plans to move this country in the right direction.

If Bernie decides to leave the race, I won't waste my time on the site anymore.. but until the day Bernie decides he is no longer part of the primary, i will continue.

I am also here to help the sheep realize that our votes are not loyal to "democrats".. i will not vote for someone because of the letter next to their name, but instead the principles they hold.

[WhiteTara]

212. Sounds like you will be sitting out the election in November

[basselope]

214. Not at all.

[WhiteTara]

216. Ah, you hope to be

a spoiler?

[basselope]

224. No.. just voting for a decent candidate

[WhiteTara]

228. In a two party system

you have 2 choices or you are a spoiler.

[basselope]

233. Incorrect. We have lots of choices.

Not sure what country you live in.. but it sure ain't the US.

[WhiteTara]

235. Yes, you can even write in

Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck; but none of those votes will have much effect. This is a 2 party system and there are 2 major candidates who will garner the majority of the votes. 3rd party are called spoilers because they pull votes from one of the two major candidates. Jill Stein from the democrats and Gary Johnson from the other side.

[basselope]

238. This is why I don't like religion.

It exists under the assumption that there are limited ways and choices to a goal.

a 3rd party candidate is a "spoiler" because they are pulling from the person you are SUPPOSED to be voting for.

However, in reality, I am not SUPPOSED to be voting for anyone. I am SUPPOSED to find the person closest to my views and choose them.

The current power structure only allows for 2 likely outcomes, but that is b/c the other parties don't get enough votes to qualify for matching funding and a continuation of the silly mentality you are expressing here.

If the democrats continue on their current course... they will lose in November, because they failed to attract voters.

They will try to blame it on people like me who refuse to support their supposed lesser evil.. but it will be the fact that they chose evil as their path in the first place.

[redstateblues]

330. Enjoy your remaining days

Trump thanks you.

[basselope]

336. My days are not numbered... but the bubble is.

[Bonobo]

11. I've been here from long, long before you came.

I will still be here because I do not jettison my principles for Progressive causes unlike some people I can think of.

[joshcryer]

33. But you will temper your criticisms.

[Bonobo]

56. Yup, that will be what I do. nt

[joshcryer]

65. Shame.

I'll continue being the same way.

[Bonobo]

79. More shame. nt

[merrily]

81. Did you ever pretend to support Sanders for POTUS while supporting Hillary from the off?

No? Then you win.

Have you ever rooted for banning of your many of your fellow DUers? No? Then you win.

[Bonobo]

83. The only people I know that did that are scumbags. nt

[merrily]

84. I can respect people who support Hillary because they believe she had a better shot in the

general. People who pretended to support Sanders, then switch, however? I cannot think of a single valid reason for that.

[opiate69]

166. I can think of at least one reason for that, though....

(Hell, at least one of 'em even flat-out copped to it, and yet is still here... even after a record-breakingly long FFR time-out...)

[merrily]

168. Oh, I can think of lot$ of reason$, but "valid" was a key word in my post.

[opiate69]

170. lol.. a fair point... I think I need more coffee!

OR maybe less, if I'm reading so fast I miss stuff!

[Duval]

272. I didn't know a Sanders supporter switched.

I also see no valid reason.

[merrily]

273. More like about 20 of them

Third false flag op described in this post

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?11573-The-Sit-Down-and-Shut-Up-Award-and-Other-Realities

[Duckhunter935]

47. Same here

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. So have I.

And if they want to hide from a developing scandal...

[ms liberty]

120. This. n/t

[Gomez163]

13. Mordor

[XRubicon]

38. Hold the door.

[Grassy Knoll]

62. .

[basselope]

14. They "Declared" that a while ago.

So we will go where ever we feel like going and keep working to stop her from becoming the actual nominee..

[geek tragedy]

16. You won't do it here! nt

[840high]

44. Our country is sinking and that's

important to you? How sad.

[basselope]

50. Sure I will.

[geek tragedy]

53. For 15 more days, then it becomes a TOS violation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453#post1

[basselope]

66. And I care, because?

[geek tragedy]

69. You don't have to cars, but site admins do nt

[basselope]

77. So?

[barrow-wight]

21. Except here.

June 7th is nine days away. Tik Tok Tik Tok Tik Tok

[basselope]

51. Right here.

[barrow-wight]

91. We shall see.

This reply by Skinner seems pretty clear:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453

[basselope]

97. And I care, because?

[barrow-wight]

98. Well, I guess there's always that other website.

God what a gem that is.

[basselope]

180. There's many MANY websites.

[barrow-wight]

182. spooky!

[basselope]

195. Yeah, it's scary outside the bubble when you have to actually have to have facts

And REAL belief in your positions and not just cry to an admin to make the horrible words go away.

[barrow-wight]

209. You're kidding right?

That one website in question has a rule that you can't even talk about Bernie potentially losing the nomination unless you preface it with this long and wordy preface about how it was stolen from him. Do you really not see the delusional nature of that?

Wow.

[basselope]

213. Not sure which website you mean... There are many.

[barrow-wight]

215. Well ...

If any of the rest of them are like JonestownRadicals, then they definitely don't sound like facts apply.

[senz]

104. You are good people, basselope. I respect you.

Sure is a lot of empty noise around here.

[basselope]

181. That empty noise is sound reflecting off the walls of the bubble.

I am always amazed by "political" websites that threaten members with a purity pledge. If your ideas can't stand up to scrutiny or being challenged.. they aren't very strong.

I left this website in 2004 when Kerry was selected and I warned people he couldn't beat bush and was told that talk like that would get me banned.

I found it as silly then, as I do today.

[redstateblues]

331. Sounds like a Nader voter. Most won't admit it.

[basselope]

338. Nope.

But I have only voted for the democrat twice in my life.

Dukakis in 1988 and Gore in 2000.

[ebayfool]

243. The terms also say banned don't get to come back and post under another alias. Do you also agree ...

with that rule?

[barrow-wight]

248. Oh absolutely. Whatever are you suggesting?

One day they say you're a new Brock troll. The next day they say you're Bravenak (at least until she shows back up). Now they're saying you're somebody else.

Why can't I just be me? Aren't I a person? Don't I have feelings?

[ebayfool]

253. If you cut me, do I not bleed?

Yeah, you are a person. A very prolific one. Why, I get tired just watching all the darting about!

Oh, and the post you mention about Brave? IIRC, that was about a different poster that also signed up May 16, 2016, within hours of you. Posting 400 - 500 of times in 16 days. Why would you think they were referring to you? I know it must be hard keeping all those threads straight.

[barrow-wight]

255. You are incorrect. It was also said to me.

Here is the link to the thread in question. Clearly, this poster is replying to my account:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512019509#post19

However, I did notice other posters were also being accused of being her as well. Does she worship the Many-Faced God from Game of Thrones or something? Is she every woman ala Chaka Khan and Whitney?

Or, is it possible that I'm actually not anyone other than what you see here?

These are the mysteries.

[ebayfool]

256. Ahhh. You and the poster I was referring to seem very similar. At least I haven't seen you link to -

an angrypatriotmovement dot com article yet. And no, she's not every woman ala ... She was busted posting highly anti-semitic crap about Sanders on another website, but was allowed to continue to post here after it blew up on DU. Anyone else would have been out on their ass. DUers have long memories when that kind of injustice and racist crap happens. THAT is no mystery!

[barrow-wight]

260. I did not agree with what she said.

That being said, I think there is a difference between someone who shows a continued pattern of behavior and someone who, in a rage of anger, says something utterly foolish that they realize was foolish after the fact. I'm not saying such words should be excused, but there is a difference between being an anti-semite and saying something anti-semitic because you don't have control of your anger and that seemed like low-hanging fruit. Neither is excusable but one is, at least to me, more forgivable. I also read a post in my travels where hundreds of people were upset that someone was banned for calmly suggesting, without the smallest sign of anger or rage, that blacks voting for Hillary Clinton suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. For me, that was far more indicative of an ongoing state of prejudice on the part of that poster and his many defenders than anything I saw Bravenak say. If she were to continue down that road, I'd be the first person to critique her. But I think she's passionate, fun, and one of the most intelligent posters here.

I don't know what an Angry Patriot Movement is, but if it's anything like that JimJonesRadical site, I probably don't want to look.

[ebayfool]

261. Ahh. So you knew when you asked why people disdained her. Most illustrating.

" ... in a rage of anger, says something utterly foolish that they realize was foolish after the fact ..."

See, here's the difference to me. There is and was a noticeable pattern there. Said poster wrote what she meant, and tried to amend it as a momentary lapse AFTER the fact and AFTER getting busted. Sawwy doesn't erase the words and intent. YMMV.

Deflecting to something/someone else is also a dishonest tactic. I do believe the subject was why you were being 'confused' with Brave. But since you are an admirer, that should only serve as a compliment to you, yes?

[barrow-wight]

262. Where did I ask why people disdained her? I just think people should move on.

I read the post in question. It looked to me like she was reaching for low-hanging fruit. I haven't seen anything else from her to suggest that she is anti-semitic. Moreover, she was originally a Bernie supporter so that seems to speak to the contrary. I doubt she abandoned him after suddenly realizing he was Jewish.

And I'm not deflecting anything. I'm using another example on this site for clarification and to show the hypocrisy of her critics. But your inability to even touch that issue is also "most illustrating," to use your term.

Either way, we're done here.

[ebayfool]

264. Yes. Yes we are.

[hollysmom]

17. well first

thank you for realizing that not everyone voted yet. I am in NJ.
some interesting things are playing out now. I think we should wait and see.
I know I am the only one who seems to think that Trump will not be the republican nominee and people are wasting money on fighting him now, so who knows what happens, as Hillary said herself staying inthe primary against Obama in 2008.

[Logical]

26. I used to think so but now the GOP is supporting him. Nt

[StevieM]

41. Actually, those were the words attributed to Hillary, not what she actually said.

Hillary was answering a question about whether or not it was unreasonable to still have a race going on as late as June. She was specifically asked whether a late ending primary was damaging to party unity. She wasn't even asked about whether she could still win during that editorial board meeting in South Dakota.

She went on to give a list of years when the race went into June and beyond. She referenced a bunch of years like 1980, 1984, 1992 and others. She then specifically referred to a couple races. She mentioned her husband's race. Finally, she mentioned the RFK race, and how we all remember that it was still going on in June.

[KingFlorez]

18. They'll create a new site called Bernie is 45

[barrow-wight]

20. Well there's always that Jack Pine Cult.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I am not familiar with that site.

Is it on the Southern Poverty Law Center's Hate Map?

[barrow-wight]

23. No, but give it time.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. From your remarks I don't think I would like that site. It sounds awful.

Best I remain in the dark about it.

[barrow-wight]

31. Yeah, that site is pretty awful.

I haven't seen an online temple to a person this fervent since Marshal Applewhite's Hale Bopp comet cult.

[geek tragedy]

30. They appropriated the screen name of a great and sadly deceased DUer

and named a misogynistic hate site after him.

Disgusting is too weak a word.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Is it a Men's Rights site or such?

[geek tragedy]

39. Ostensibly a pro-Bernie site but in reality

Trump supporters, MRAs, etc.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Perhaps because

[workinclasszero]

122. Or this...

[JonLeibowitz]

90. All lies..sad to see it on DU. But not surprised.

[Renew Deal]

153. Don't they use the C word to refer to Hillary there?

[bravenak]

222. Oh hell yeah they do. It's sick

[CorkySt.Clair]

173. I haven't been over to that sewer in awhile

I know when it began there was the lofty goal of not tolerating posts like that. All about issues they said. Sounds like it went south quickly.

[geek tragedy]

185. websites founded on hatred find a way of attracting hateful people nt

[workinclasszero]

121. They are workin on it

They got the big racist prick that used to be a poster over here and various other purists, greens and undercover republicans.

Its the most boring echo chamber you would ever want to see LOL

[Jester Messiah]

130. As opposed to the "cleansed" site you anticipate here after June 7?

Talk about boring echo chambers. Just a bunch of Brockolite shills stroking each other about how awesome Her Majesty is.

[workinclasszero]

137. Whatever

I think it will be awesome to talk with actual democrats on the Democratic Underground again without greenie, libertarians and republicans disrupting everything and pissing on the rug every few minutes.

YMMV

Have fun at jerkoffpineconeradicals or whatever the echo chamber is called LOL

[Reiyuki]

241. Will it actually happen?

The 'purge' is probably going to be more talk than action, but it will be a really exciting June for sure.

The first week will be pretty hard, but after the 1st wave gets banned, it'll be a massive pile of "why did x poster with 20k+ posts get banned" posts by the remnant members. At that point, you either tone down the ban-hammer or you end up with a much smaller DU. Maybe they'll migrate to Reddit?


After that, I'd guess the forum looks much he same but with a lot more 'echo chamber only' categories.


Expect a lot of subtle Harry Potter jokes about 'he who shall not be names'

[geek tragedy]

277. 14 more days. We want Trump to lose to Clinton,anyone not on board

with that agenda has nothing of value to contribute here.

[NanceGreggs]

59. I wonder if they'll still have ...

... the you will be banned if you even intimate that Bernie won't win the nomination rule still in effect after Hillary wins in November?

Somehow, I suspect they will.

[barrow-wight]

92. Oh, I didn't see that little gem of delusion!

What cupcake of joy. I'm going to have to go look now.

Damn. I couldn't find a cupcake. How about a coffee and donut of joy?

[barrow-wight]

94. Oh. My. God.

Nance.

Nance.

I love your posts.

They make me laugh.

But I have to say. I did not expect the rule you spoke of to be quite what you were saying. I thought that maybe you were being a smidgen hyperbolic.

You weren't.

It's worse.

Far worse.

The people on that website are ... well ... isn't that special?

[NanceGreggs]

99. Well, it definitely falls ...

... into the "you really can't make this shit up" category.

[barrow-wight]

100. You aren't kidding!

How do they not see how crazy it all looks, how reverential they're being to a candidate versus the importance of the issues?

I like Hillary enough, but the day people start calling themselves Hillarycrats, I'm checkin' out.

[JonLeibowitz]

102. I think calling oneself a Berniecrat is better than calling an opponent's supporters 'BSers', agree?

[barrow-wight]

106. I don't like either term.

[MoonRiver]

143. Maybe after she wins the presidency too!

[Andy823]

245. I am sure they will

After all that place is the new home of all the old anti Obama posters, and of course their fearless leader Manny. I kind of got a kick out of the new "rule" about banning anyone who said Bernie could not win, especially after so many of them complain about the "authoritarian" rule here on DU, and how they were all being purged for speaking out the truth. Gotta love their hypocrisy I guess.

[Demsrule86]

151. Dreadful site!

I avoid it at all costs.

[MadDAsHell]

24. Likely not to the polls 5 months later...that'll work out well for the Democratic Party. nt

[Logical]

25. Staying here and trying to keep her liberal and let her know.....

When she is messing up!

[VulgarPoet]

358. Good bloody luck. eom

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I hope you informed the FBI to stop investigating.

The bunker mentality will be fun to watch

[PowerToThePeople]

29. If.

If she is declared the nominee and DU goes into GE mode per the Admin of this site, then open discussion of the nominee will cease as it does every election cycle here. Nothing new about that. People that have been members a long time will know how to deal with that event. Trolls will still troll and get banned.

(This is a great thread to read. So many a-holes here trying to piss people off with flame bait)

[senz]

105. Yes indeed. The ugliness and self-delusion is rather thick.

[Fawke Em]

32. The media "declaring" her the nominee doesn't make it so.

She won't have enough pledged delegates.

[Shemp Howard]

61. Dewey defeats Truman!

The media's declarations are nothing more than hot air. It's a race to see who calls it first. And the irony here is that it's a stupid, meaningless race.

Actual votes cast decide things in America. Cast the votes, count the votes, and then declare the winner. And not a single superdelegate will cast a vote until the convention. So until then it's anybody's game.

Disclaimer: I hate the whole superdelegate concept. But it is what it is.

[rusty quoin]

35. I think it will work out like in 2008.

Thom Hartmann says the same. The Hillary supporters backed Obama. And this time, the Bernie supporters will back Hillary.

We are not stupid. There has to be a percentage that will not vote for her, but ...the haters...well I don't know so much about the haters.

Let me tell you, the majority of Bernie backers now have Hillary's back. I know this from listening to Hartmann for + a decade. We are reasonable people.

[mythology]

179. I agree

In 2008, during the primaries, polls showed about 40% of Clinton supporters were saying they wouldn't vote for Obama. After the convention, over 80% said they were supporting Obama.

[YOHABLO]

36. Well you'd better hope they go and think very hard about whether they'll support her with their vote

You see you have to ''hate'' Trump even more.

[CorkySt.Clair]

177. Only a moron wouldn't hate trump more

[ciaobaby]

37. WOW

You Hillary followers lovers are so very hateful it's revealing.
This was a stupid, unnecessary, mean, rude and over the top post.
But I guess that's who you are.

[workinclasszero]

123. Please...where have you been since this primary started?

Berners ran this place like a dictatorship with an iron fist. Hillary fans were ganged up on by Bernie packed juries and banned from this site for weeks or months in lots of cases for the crime of supporting Hillary Clinton.

That ended just a few weeks ago. And now Berners have the audacity to complain about rude posts?! Really?

What a freakin joke!

[ciaobaby]

160. Your response was to be expected.

So like your leader. Take no responsibility, simply point your finger to others. If someone else does something then it must be ok for you to do it too. Just like Hillary says "others" take money from big banks and wall street donors, so it is ok for her to. This is also her defense for the email debacle, "others" did it so I can too.
so like I said - you do you - it's all you got.

[cherokeeprogressive]

42. Somewhere people like you aren't welcome. You like apples? How do ya like those fuckin' apples?

[JudyM]

45. After party at your place?

[Duckhunter935]

46. Don't hate her, just will not vote for her

And will not vote for Trump. Just will be careful and will lay low.

[redstateblues]

54. You were never going to vote Democratic anyway. No loss

[XRubicon]

58. +1

[Duckhunter935]

60. Voted democratic my entire adult life

And of course will vote democratic in the down ballot races. Please do not presume to tell me how I vote.

[hack89]

174. Right

You have decided you can do well in a Trump presidency. That's all.

[Duckhunter935]

189. Nope, but I do know my state and

How much my vote for the top ticket will matter. If it was close I would change but I can vote or not vote and have a very clean concience.

[arikara]

48. WHY do you people have to keep this shit going on?

Seriously. IF she gets the nom, and that is not a given no matter what you believe now, you ARE going to need Bernie people. Why not just try to get along now, and maybe IF you do win try to be a little gracious instead of carrying on trolling and acting like... well I'm not gonna say it you can use your imagination.

[redstateblues]

57. When BSS stop attacking and lying about the soon to be Democratic nominee

It will be a bit easier. The focus will be on defeating Donald Trump as it should be

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. Your imagination is excellent

By the way, what about the FBI cupcake? You are going to stop them how?

[Orrex]

183. It was a close one!

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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On Mon May 30, 2016, 12:41 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Your imagination is excellent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2085166

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling another DUer a cupcake is dismissive and rude. I won't even get into the other implications of the name calling.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon May 30, 2016, 12:49 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I think that is very insensitive to cupcakes.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ok, it is rude for sure, but considering what I have seen as of late, it is pretty tame.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh come on. We've all been called far worse on DU and have somehow managed to heal from the trauma without much lasting damage. I can't believe that anyone will be greatly scarred by this post.

What a waste of an alert.


Leave it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Good lord...a bit tame for what usually gets thrown around her.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: We seem to be getting awfully thin-skinned around here.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[nadinbrzezinski]

186. Thanks. I should consider how cupcakes will

Feel in the future.

[Bobbie Jo]

211. LOL

Apparently I read it wrong.

I was going to ask what the hell a "FBI cupcake" was all about here.

Then again, I don't write for a living...

[Orrex]

218. Full disclosure: that's how I initially read it as well.

But even after I'd understood it, I couldn't see it as a hide-able post!

[Scootaloo]

110. Because they don't care if Clinton wins or not

The constant refrain from Clinton supporters, here and everywhere is "we don't care! we don't care! We don't care!"

Any issue you bring up, WE DON'T CARE! Any problem to be fced? WE DON'T CARE! Any situation that needs consideration? WE DON'T CARE!

I used to think they were just being snide and dismissive to avoid things... But no. After watching them for months now? Now I fully believe them. I haven't figured out if it's apathy or nihilism, though. I'm leaning towards the latter, just because I try to never pass up a Big Lewbowski reference.


(Pictured: Likely Clinton voters)
(Including the ferret)

[aidbo]

249. i know you're referring to the nihilist aspect.

And you probably already know this. But the guy on the far right is Flea from the red hot chili peppers and he has endorsed Bernie.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/flea-why-i-support-bernie-sanders-20160205


(Nice marmot)

[Orrex]

187. Well, let's be honest.

If a Sanders voter claims to withhold support for Clinton because of something that someone wrote on DU, then that person was never going to support Clinton anyway.

That's their choice, of course, but it helps nothing to blame that choice on an unfriendly comment on an anonymous message board.

[GulfCoast66]

254. I'd do not love either candidate

But posts like this confound to me. It infers that anonymus comments by strangers on a website can affect someone's vote. Other post here have flat out stated that fact.

Are there really people so invested in online life that they would let it affect their vote. I can't imagine having so little sense of self direction.

If I misinterpreted your post you have my apologies.

[Fumesucker]

55. Can't wait to bring them to heel, eh?

No one will even be able to quote Hillary any more on DU...

When I first came to DU there weren't that many places to go and discuss left leaning politics from an American perspective. If Skinner turns Democratic Underground into Democratic Establishment I suspect there will be a big exit. I know I've already completely left one blog this year that I've actually been participating on longer than I have on DU. Funny how some left leaning sites are veering hard to the center just as the country is moving to the left.

It's Skinner's business model, he has a lot more competition for our eyeballs than he used to, if he wants to duke it out with Kos for the pragmatic moderate centrists that's on him.

There are still a lot of people I like here but fewer every day it seems and people I like is the only thing keeping me here at this point.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. We were never allowed to be an ersatz Fifth Column and undermine the Democratic presidential nominee

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[Fumesucker]

73. The TOS has changed several times snce I've been here, toward more centrist each time

DU has seen its Glory Days and they have indeed passed by like the wink of a young girl's eye.

I met someone this year I haven't seen since the mid-70's, we were never really an item but dated a few times and knew each other fairly well, we actually joked about that song... Honey, we were doing a whole lot of winking back then...

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. We remember but

...

[AgingAmerican]

63. The dark recesses of your imagination

Where they originated

[aikoaiko]

68. They can stick around quietly until after the election

[coco77]

75. Bernie!Bernie!Bernie!

[merrily]

78. Hillary supporters' speaking of hate so often says a lot, but it says zero about critics of Hillary'

policies and conduct.

[highprincipleswork]

82. Probably nowhere. But they'l keep hating her, at least when she acts like a Republican or puts our

party in danger or throws it regressively back towards the Right or wages unnecessary war.

[RandySF]

87. Scurry back to Reddit.

[workinclasszero]

125. Yeah the misogynist mother church of the berners

Stupid internet slackivist trolls can't even get off their dead asses to go and vote for their hero.

I knew Sander's "revolution" was bullshit when the reddit bros deserted him in the Nevada primary.

The glorious revolution left Bernie twisting in the wind LOL

[m-lekktor]

88. we will flee into the wilderness and start a resistance movement!!

[senz]

103. With a thousand times more purpose, vitality, richness and meaning

than any creaky old echo chamber full of worshipers slipping, incrementally, down.

[workinclasszero]

126. Try getting some followers that will actually go out and

register to vote, then show up on election day at the polls.

Its hard I know.

Trolling democratic boards is sooo much easier.

[Live and Learn]

93. I expect they're ranks will just grow. nt

[bvf]

95. The convention determines the nominee.

[Rob H.]

167. Hey now, bringing facts into the discussion just confuses her fans

[MFM008]

101. into the cornfield?

[workinclasszero]

127. HAHA

[Scootaloo]

107. What I'm curious about is the people like yourself.

If Sanders is no longer in the race, what will you do with all that rage that is clearly your primary motivator? You haven't said shit in support of Clinton, not once. it's all hate of Sanders. The only time you even come close to attacking Trump is by comparing him to Sanders, or alleging Sanders is a "stalking Horse" for Trump.

So. Once that target is gone... what are you going to do? You don't give a shit about Clinton, so you're not going to turn the rage into passion for her. And you clearly can't bring yourself to hate Trump even nearly as much as you hate Sanders.

I've seen what happens to rageaholics who lose any focus for that rage. it's not a pretty sight.

[workinclasszero]

132. Oh sorry can't hear/see you

Somehow I screwed up and took you off of ignore.

I will be clearing my ignore list totally when Hillary is officially designated democratic nominee for president and Skinner calls it on DU.

Because...fun.

[Scootaloo]

223. One less derfus to sit on juries for me then

[bigtree]

108. lots of concern posts on the horizon

...that's the line they'll need to tack to.

[quickesst]

109. Away...

......hopefully.

[baldguy]

115. That would make me happy.

[quickesst]

146. sooner than later....

....

[B Calm]

113. You should consider deleting your divisive op. We won't have a clinch

Until the convention.

[hobbit709]

124. We'll still be here.

There's no TOS that says I have to like her.

And someone needs to aggravate you.

[Sky Masterson]

128. Well

This one will vanish from DU again until Super Tuesday
when I will lurk back and watch all of the smugness of today
turn into the sadness of seeing Hillary lose to Trump of tomorrow.
I will watch people bitch and moan about it being Bernies fault and his voters
for not showing up for someone who IS part of the problem.
I will watch the Goreesq/Kerryesq disbelief that America was stupid enough to vote for Trump.
People whom we have tried and tried and tried to shake sense into will be besides themselves in disbelief.
Those who backed Bernie and tried to stop this trainwreck will be scapegoated because Personal responsibility
will be nonexistent.
It will never cross their minds that all of the signs of her loss were there in the polling but they poo poo'd them.
You asked.
I may throw in a few "We told you so's"

[Jester Messiah]

133. Remember "white people mourning Romney"?

We'll need a blog like that for the Hillarites.

[Sky Masterson]

135. Never saw that one.

[Jester Messiah]

136. Oh geez, google it! It was magnificent. n/t

[Herman4747]

129. Where will they go? To Canada, if Trump wins. nt

[left-of-center2012]

131. Alert bait

Hateful and divisive.
Why are you doing this?

[B Calm]

134. Administrators are seeing these divisive OP's. OP should self delete.

[workinclasszero]

138. Self defense mostly

But its a legit question when beating up the democratic nominee is no longer allowed around here.

Gee Berners are never hateful and divisive towards Hillary or her supporters here right?

[B Calm]

140. I see it coming more from the Hillary camp,

but you're right both sides are doing it. The best defense would be to stop.

[Buns_of_Fire]

139. Just hang around and bask in all this love and understanding, I guess.

A new era of peace, happiness, and mutual respect will descend upon the site -- nay, upon the WORLD. All slights will be forgiven and forgotten. We'll all be singing Kumbaya until we puke.

Me, I'll just mostly sit nodding quietly and thinking "Yep, we're boned."

[Bad Dog]

141. You're not going to win many hearts and minds by branding Sanders supporters haters.

You'd be better off reaching out to them instead of sounding triumphalist.

[hobbit709]

144. Poster isn't interested in that.

He definitely cares zero about the working class, just like his idol.

[workinclasszero]

148. Gee that hurt

I will try to go on with life without your approval but its going to be tough.

[hobbit709]

150. I never gave a shit if anyone approved of me or not.

[Bad Dog]

163. Keeping Trump out of the Whitehouse has to be the number one consideration right now.

Some people are going to look beyond the small minded petty nature of the other camp's supporters.

I write this as a concerned outsider, I'm just a spectator in all this.

[hobbit709]

164. Way it looks, Clinton won't be able to do it.

[Bad Dog]

165. I don't know what to believe.

Most reports are confusing, but I do know Trump will be a disaster for those of us who don't have a vote, or an ocean between us and various global hotspots.

[workinclasszero]

145. Its not my job to win hearts and minds

If a sane rational person cannot see the absolute necessity of stopping a fascist pig like Trump and his party from gaining control of our government nothing I say will change their mind.

Vote how you will but remember your kids and think of an animal like Trump packing the SCOTUS with judges that will effect their lives forever.

If Bernie won the nomination I would have still voted a straight democratic ticket to stop white supremacist/birther/fascist Trump.

I would not have thought twice about it either. Priorities, you know?

[Bad Dog]

162. You can't win an election

without winning hearts and minds. That's what I deem a priority.

[hack89]

175. If you need convincing to not vote for Trump

Then it most likely is not worth the effort. Your ego is getting in the way .

[workinclasszero]

193. No kidding

Just let them have their tantrum.

I'm not playing that game. They can either do what an actual progressive will do on election day, vote democratic, or they can piss off for all I care.

[Bad Dog]

198. My ego?

I don't have a bloody vote. There's plenty that do and, speaking as an observer, you're going the wrong way about convincing any of them not to vote for Trump.

[hack89]

202. Sorry. It's just that you sound like another insufferable BernieBro

holding their breath until they get their feelings validated. Didn't realize you were not American.

[Bad Dog]

236. I am completely neutral re Sanders Clinton.

I don't want Trump to get in. That's it.

[Vinca]

149. Most will probably go where

the obviously blind Hillary worshippers go: to the polls. Their vote will be against Trump. At least that's what you should hope if you want Hillary to win. The way you keep up the snark you'd think the numbers were against Hillary.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

156. What "Hillary Haters"? I don't "hate" Hillary.

I just think she's unfit to hold public office.

[cali]

157. If all those who don't like Hillary leave du

its population will drop by 75%

[Rob H.]

159. Yep, it'll be a digital ghost town

And I know more than a few people who decided not to renew their stars after Skinner declared amnesty for his special snowflakes, who returned and then doubled down on the behavior that sent them on mandatory vacations in the first place. Those who remain won't be able to make up for the financial shortfall if all us Bernie supporters go--they don't have the numbers.

[geek tragedy]

279. The good Sanders supporters will stick around.

The ones who would prefer Trump to Clinton, hope they never, ever come back.

[geek tragedy]

278. Well, ordinary Democrats will find it tolerable and might return.

One can only cater to the fringe so much.

[cali]

282. DU is less left than it used to be

[geek tragedy]

283. DU is also less anti-semitic and batshit crazy than it used to be.

I don't miss the days when "Zionist" was thrown around as an epithet and Holocaust denial sites were routinely cited here.

[cali]

284. Yeah, that's true.

[Demsrule86]

169. this shold be sung in an off key version of 'where have all the flowers gone' nt

[MineralMan]

171. Many may go out of their heads with anger.

That's why I'm seriously considering not coming to DU for a couple of days after that.

[Demsrule86]

201. I don't know

I admit after all the crap...it gives me a guilty pleasure...reminds me of the band my kids got me addicted to 21 pilots...I'm twisted up...but I promise to feel guilty ...maybe.

[1StrongBlackMan]

307. me, too ...

But I'll be deciding on Zanax and Bupropion, then buying as much Calls as I can afford.

I'm predicting a spike in sales ... AND, I am a capitalist!

[Faux pas]

176. We'll

go to write in.

[MariaThinks]

178. Free Republic?

[Romulox]

191. Hopefully this will turn into the sparse, center-right echo chamber that Skinner so desires.

I *guarantee* all these Hillary trolls with several hundred posts will disappear. Guarantee it!

[workinclasszero]

206. Yeah and jerkoffpineconeradicals

will explode in popularity!

I'll be happy as hell when the freepers return home to their sewer.

YMMV

[geek tragedy]

280. I know it's tempting, but please avoid insulating references to that hate site's name.

They appropriated the name of a great but sadly deceased DUer, so out of respect to him please don't make insulting references to his name, even indirectly via the hate site that appropriated his name.

[dubyadiprecession]

192. Where will all the Hillary haters go?

I voted for Hillary in the primaries in 08'. Barack became the nominee and since then i voted for him twice. Like bill maher said, "If you can't have the fish, then have the chicken". They will most likely vote for hillary.

Democrats will be united against trump coming out of the convention.

[SmittynMo]

240. They will most likely vote for Hillary?

Do you think so? I certainly wouldn't count on it. I'm willing to bet that 10% of the people on DU MAY vote for her. The rest will not. If the same rule applies across the spectrum, she'll lose.

And Bernie will be one of the main excuses for her big time loss in November.

People don't seem to understand. The difference between the two is night and day. And trustworthy is at the top of the list.

[workinclasszero]

274. I hope you are right

Trump would be a total disaster for this country and the world in general.

[senz]

197. This thread shows how badly Hill Folk want to be alone with each other.

Which, in itself, is interesting. Try to imagine DU as a big fluffy rendition of the Hillary Group.

[Andy823]

207. Nah, it's more of

People wanting to see an end to the right wing trash and bash tactics that have been going on for some time now. All those who have only been able to trash and bash without actually promoting their candidates actual stand on the issues, those who come up with all kinds of names for the other candidate, and those who pretty much have proven over and over again they only want to keep causing trouble and dividing the board, are really what most here want to see go away. This is a board for Democrats, and getting Democrats elected, not a board where you would expect to see all the shit we see on a daily basis her eon the DUP board.

One would think that those who hate democrats, hate the party, and hate DU wouldn't want to be here, unless their only goals was to disrupt and cause problems, what do you think?

[senz]

219. Your comment is so snarled with anger and illogic that it's a waste of time.

Good luck calming down and regaining whatever perspective you once had.

[Andy823]

244. Nope, no anger and not illogical

Just facts, something I guess you don't care about.

[workinclasszero]

226. Right as soon as the attack window is closed

what would all the Hill haters have to talk about anyway?

If the berners break away from the democratic party, they just marginalize themselves into a green party type that will never elect a soul to any office of note.

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

[SidDithers]

200. They'll all temper their rhetoric and attacks on the Hillary...

they'll go all meek and quiet, hiding their true feelings, so they won't violate the Terms of Service.

Their posting privileges at DU are more important to them than their principles.

Sid

[joshcryer]

354. "Their posting privileges at DU are more important to them than their principles."

[MineralMan]

204. Gone where the goblins go -

Below, below, below...

[senz]

239. lol...

so many ways to "elevate" oneself.

[Marr]

205. They won't be going out to volunteer.

So I hope you conservative Democrats are prepared to actually *do* something for once.

[The_Casual_Observer]

210. Many are really long time DUers. They will have to hold their fire until Chelsey runs someday

I guess.

[Warren DeMontague]

251. What kind of Clinton supporter are you, you dont even know how to spell her daughter's name?

[oldandhappy]

220. wow I used to answer seriously but not effective

I will be gone. Will not tell you where!! Already well linked.

[tabasco]

234. To another political party, probably.

There are actually several in the country.

The Democratic party will continue to divide, as the republicans rally around their "strong leader." If you can't see it, you're blinded by your bias.

Major political parties -- A party that has "an independent state organization... in a majority of the states"[1] is listed as a major party.

Democratic Party
Republican Party
Libertarian Party (www.lp.org)
Green Party (www.gp.org)
Constitution Party (www.constitutionparty.org)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

[floppyboo]

237. Here's one scenerio. Hillary supporters should watch this to understand some of the "hate", if you

keep insisting on calling it that. What ever. Not helpful. Think! for chrissakes!

[frylock]

242. What will Hillary Supporter talk about when Sanders supporters are purged?

All they ever talk about is Sanders supporters. I don't think they know anything about this primary beyond Sanders supporters.

[QC]

246. And have you noticed how virtually none of them will kick in a few bucks

to help pay for this site?

"Skinner, please run off 80% of your traffic for me so that I won't have to hear opinions I don't like. But don't expect me to contribute to this place in any way!"

[nadinbrzezinski]

247. Skinner lost money last year

he will lose more this year

And you know what. this is the bed he made. I don't give money here, but that is becuase he made it quite clear, this is a place that enables bullying.

[Warren DeMontague]

250. Agreed. And as this thread illustrates, the likely near-term result is the enabling of the worst of

The worst in terms of low-IQ insults, toxic personalities and general obnoxious behavior.

I suspect it is like the dog who always chases the pickup truck, though.

They havent really figured out what they'll do once they catch it.

[QC]

257. Yes, history does repeat itself a lot around here.

The last time we had a contested primary, the management threw out the civility rules, allowed supporters of one candidate to run roughshod over everyone else, banned anyone who resisted (including a big chunk of what was then a lively LGBT community here), and then professed to be shocked, SHOCKED at how ugly things had gotten.

[nadinbrzezinski]

269. and this time around, all those plans of mice and men

....

might go to hell pretty soon... so they will have that to contend with

[Raster]

335. sadly, at one point there was quite a progressive Democratic community here...

....that is, of course, until the full-court press to the blue dog, centrist, third-way side of things.

[QC]

339. Yeah, I remember. I used to be kinda middle-of-the-road by DU standards.

Now I'm Trotsky.

Except that my opinions haven't really changed much in that time.

[Raster]

341. I was Trotsky then, now I'm Satan.

My opinions haven't really changed either.

[senz]

268. He got some money out of me because I wanted nice people to have hearts.

In retrospect, it was a tad silly.

[still_one]

252. Sounds like the folk song, "Where have all the flowers gone"

[Thinkingabout]

258. Soon and very soon.

[akbacchus_BC]

275. Do not count your eggs before they are hatched. Let's see how

the email fiasco goes!

[emsimon33]

276. Green Party, Trump, or they will just stay home

or go to vote out superdelegates

[NurseJackie]

281. To pound rocks into sand?

[Blue_Tires]

285. Trump campaign...

[Dem2]

288. Where have all the flowers gone?

[Orsino]

289. Neener-neeners do not become us. n/t

[EndElectoral]

290. Probably to the Green party. Apparently, she doesn't need the votes in the GE.

[AlbertCat]

291. Apparently, she doesn't need the votes in the GE.

Indeed.

[Attorney in Texas]

310. Need, want, or deserve.

[FourScore]

294. I don't hate Hillary, but I do hate posts like this that portray me as if I do.

The part that amazes me are all the cruel, insensitive comments from other Hill supporters. It's like everybody's just piling on with this bully-like group thinl, and no grown-up in the room to say, "Hey, cut it out. You're being rude."

But I know..."Bernie's crowd hit me fiiirrrst."

Utterly childish and divisive.

[akbacchus_BC]

296. There are no Hilary haters on here! Folks like you try to make Mr. Sanders supporters as haters!

They are not. Just like you want Mrs. Clinton to win, so are the Sanders supporters. And remember, Democracts will come together and vote for Mrs. Clinton, she will be the nominee. No need to refer to Mr. Sanders supporters as haters, you are being divisive. Mrs. Clinton needs Mr. Sanders supporters to elect her. The crap you are espousing is not helping Mrs. Clinton.

[realmirage]

299. To retrieve the nickel under the pillow the indictment fairy never came for

[blackspade]

302. More of this decisive bullshit.

You guys just can't help yourselves can you?
If you want Sanders supporters to not vote for the Democratic nominee your doin' a heck if a job there.
Clinton supporters like yoy are her worst advocats.

[bjo59]

306. What do you care?

[Attorney in Texas]

309. I'm guessing you'll see more than your fair share here: www.jill2016.com/

[MoonRiver]

318. I don't care as long as they're gone!

[QC]

325. Hillary's animal lust for power is frighting

Hillary obviously needs intervention and intense psychiatric counseling.

Maybe after years of therapy she can regain some semblance of basic humanity.

Maybe....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6106026&mesg_id=6106553

[workinclasszero]

332. That's pure sexism

Bernie is the one that can't give up the limelight, the rallies, the abject adoration, near worship the berners lavish on him.

Shit security will have to pry his hands off the podium and escort him to the exit after the conventions been over for hours!

But no one accuses him of lusting after power because he is a man so its ok right?

A woman on the other hand doing the exact same thing is condemned as a power mad female!

Sickening the abuse Hillary gets from so called progressives on a so called democratic discussion board for the crime of being a smart woman!

[QC]

333. Yes, it's extremely sexist and hateful.

The kind of thing a freeper would say.

Be sure to click the link in that post and see who said it.

[Raster]

337. wooosh! over the top...

[Puglover]

355. Thank you.

I would suspect the poster you are responding to is hoping folks who are reading this thread do NOT click on your link.

Seriously I do not support Hillary however anyone would be very hard pressed to find anything I have said about her that comes remotely close to the hatred in that post.

The only thing it says to me is that people will say pretty much anything in a political contest to win. However it certainly puts the venom spewed at both our candidates in perspective.

[m-lekktor]

359. Oh dear, why it was YOU who said it back in 2008!!

click on that link in QC's post, I DARE you!

[QC]

365. I'm sure he's avoiding that link and hoping

everyone else will do likewise.

[Puglover]

369. Kickity Kick.

[NNadir]

326. They'll continue what they've been doing...working to elect Trump.

Madame Secretary was quite brilliant today, as always.

[John Poet]

346. We sure can't go to Honduras. Thanks to Hillary,

there's a right-wing military government THERE, also.

[Vote2016]

350. A candidacy ends on election day. A movement doesn't. Whether Sanders wins the nomination or not,

there is work to do to restore FDR's vision of the party.

[Buddyblazon]

351. We all plan to riot...

at your house.

See you soon.

[masmdu]

353. Um...Not to the voting booth?

[Autumn]

363. They'll all be right here, same as the Hillary haters back in 2008 are still here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6106026&mesg_id=6106553

Posters here said some pretty nasty things about Hillary. I remember that well, I supported Hillary to the bitter end in 08.

[joshcryer]

368. That's in response to Clinton suggesting Obama might get assassinated.

Which is a lot dumber than "the superdelegates will switch and overthrow the will of the people based upon polls."

But yeah, those primaries were 100x worse than this one, as far as the candidates making stupid shit up about one another (Obama's literal Harry and Louise ads come to mind).