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Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:02 PM

This could have the effect of a revolution occurring under the radar... just consider...

It looks like O is going to come out on top on Tuesday if all the indicators are accurate. Just think of what this says about our country.
The billionaires failed at buying the government of the people.
The cheating could not stand up to the actual vote.
The lying was unable to smother the truth and the ability to distinguish the difference.
The Tea Party will become obsolete.
Perhaps the Republican Party itself will be relegated to the history bin. (doubtful of that one, but who knows?)
The Supreme Court will be out of corporate control for the first time in decades.

There are more major ramifications to this election, so you can add your own .
But the point is this... If we re-elect Obama (as we damn well should), this election is very possibly a bigger revolution than the first one when we elected our first African-American president.

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Reply This could have the effect of a revolution occurring under the radar... just consider... (Original post)
world wide wally Nov 2012 OP
renate Nov 2012 #1
gateley Nov 2012 #2
yellerpup Nov 2012 #6
gateley Nov 2012 #9
gateley Nov 2012 #11
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #63
sadbear Nov 2012 #28
gateley Nov 2012 #33
Yavin4 Nov 2012 #30
calimary Nov 2012 #34
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #45
Lifelong Protester Nov 2012 #48
Marmitist Nov 2012 #62
grasswire Nov 2012 #3
RomneyLies Nov 2012 #4
life long demo Nov 2012 #31
ancianita Nov 2012 #5
ladjf Nov 2012 #7
world wide wally Nov 2012 #8
ladjf Nov 2012 #12
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #59
OSPREYXIV Nov 2012 #32
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #35
calimary Nov 2012 #41
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #60
calimary Nov 2012 #66
OSPREYXIV Nov 2012 #68
felix_numinous Nov 2012 #51
Beowulf Nov 2012 #10
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #21
calimary Nov 2012 #43
Beowulf Nov 2012 #44
calimary Nov 2012 #49
goblue316 Nov 2012 #55
OSPREYXIV Nov 2012 #67
bushisanidiot Nov 2012 #13
charlyvi Nov 2012 #20
bushisanidiot Nov 2012 #23
charlyvi Nov 2012 #25
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #22
cui bono Nov 2012 #14
world wide wally Nov 2012 #16
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #24
Wellstone ruled Nov 2012 #15
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #17
world wide wally Nov 2012 #18
cui bono Nov 2012 #26
ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #19
eallen Nov 2012 #27
calimary Nov 2012 #46
jimlup Nov 2012 #29
TrogL Nov 2012 #36
zentrum Nov 2012 #42
Squinch Nov 2012 #37
bigbrother05 Nov 2012 #38
zentrum Nov 2012 #39
calimary Nov 2012 #47
silvershadow Nov 2012 #40
Mkap Nov 2012 #50
heaven05 Nov 2012 #52
mgardener Nov 2012 #53
world wide wally Nov 2012 #54
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #56
world wide wally Nov 2012 #58
Doctor_J Nov 2012 #61
world wide wally Nov 2012 #64
AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #57
blazeKing Nov 2012 #65

Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:03 PM

1. if the Republicans lose the first post-Citizens United presidential campaign, that is VERY important

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:05 PM

2. Somebody posted this pic :

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Response to gateley (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:14 PM

6. Tis graphic deserves its own thread, gateley.

This sums up the entire election. The Plutocrats think they can buy it, and this is our chance to prove that they can't.

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Response to yellerpup (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:18 PM

9. Okay. Will do!

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Response to gateley (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 10:41 AM

63. +1 nt

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Response to yellerpup (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:56 PM

28. This proves nothing.

Anyone here think they're just going to pack up and go home? I'm not naive enough to think they won't try harder next time. These are businessmen. They're trying to buy the country at the lowest possible price. Just wait. They'll spend more next time. We must remain vigilant. They're not giving up.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:49 PM

33. You're probably right

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Response to gateley (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:02 PM

30. The Kochs Are Like Characters from a Coen Bros Movie

In fact, the Coens should do a movie about them. It would be a riot.

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Response to gateley (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:53 PM

34. OWWWW! My eyes!!!!!

Ugliest photo EVER!!!!!!!

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Response to gateley (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:31 PM

45. As I said in that thread...

they haven't bought a presidency, but they still own enough legislators.

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Response to gateley (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:36 PM

48. Yeah, the hell with you two jerks

Last edited Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:16 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm from WI, and I won't be happy until these two are paupers like Mortimer and Randolph.

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Response to Lifelong Protester (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 10:37 AM

62. I won't be happy until they are corpses.

 

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:07 PM

3. and faith in the will of the people will be demonstrated.

Good post, thanks.

That makes me feel very good about America.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:08 PM

4. The billionaires will accurately conclude it was due to the lack of control over alternative media

 

They're next move will be to suppress the ability to speak freely via the internet.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:09 PM

31. Or that Romney/GOP were not conservative enough!!! lol

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:09 PM

5. Roe v. Wade and Obamacare will remain settled law.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:15 PM

7. But even if we win, steps need to be taken to root out the major causes of this near

catastrophe, i.e. the common sense rules, the voter frauds, the politicized Supreme Court,
the politically biased propaganda by the media, the takeover of public education and many, many other initiatives designed to replace our Democracy with a fascist super rich/theocratic cabal.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:17 PM

8. So true. But maybe this will give us the balls to do so

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:21 PM

12. But, unfortunately, we will need more than "balls". We would need (1) a strong public

mandate to carry out such reforms ,(2) control of the Senate and the House and (3) a better balance Supreme Court.

These circumstances could happen as early as 2014.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:42 AM

59. Very true - there'll be no major change if Repubs maintain a majority in the House

and if they keep a filibuster in the Senate they'll block anything significant too. Will Harry Reid try to change the Senate rules? He's looked a bit more daring with his attacks on Romney, but I'm not convinced he'd try to end the filibuster - or that he'd be able to get the Senate to end it, anyway.

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Response to ladjf (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:43 PM

32. "The (counter) Revolution has been televised."

(Apologies, I'm formatting hand-held)

The Koch brothers are just the tip of the iceberg.
A counter-revolution, engineered in slow motion, occurred outside the temporal frame that's been presented by the corporate media. On TV, it's always "Now!" It infantilizes the masses. History is what happens outside the margins of the screen and past the printed newspage. Every issue on the table today has been there since 1970. Been there. Got the t-shirt. Their agenda: to repeal all Roosevelt-era legislation (TR and FDR!!).

Since Reagan, what amounts to the Standard Oil trust was resurrected and a lobby representing a bloc of western extraction industries dictates to Congress and the President how to vote, controls foreign policy and encourages the myths of social/cultural/historical revisionism that use fear to impede all progressive legislation.

After Reagan's inaugural, the nation's electrical grid was re-committed to using stripmined coal to power its boilers. All EPA controls of their ruinous practices disappeared along with Carter-era plans for rationally developing electrical power. The development of "TVA 2.0" a study of how the lower Mississippi Valley could be developed for hydroelectric power, called "Gather at the River," was shelved. All plans, gov't support for solar, wind, etc. got tossed on January 21st, 1980. IMHO, that's "The Empire " George Lucas has been referring to all along in the Star Wars saga.

Freedom from foreign oil, freedom from oil, freedom for all, freedom from all enemies, foreign and domestic depends on free energy.
We have just been given what's probably our final warning and it may be too late. As Pogo once said: "We have met the enemy...and he is us."
The Chinese are not our enemies. The Russians are not our enemies. We are our all own worst enemies, planet-wide. There must be a quantum leap in energy production that puts a stop to the burning of fossil fuel to keep us fed, clothed, etc.
The caloric production ratio of agribusiness in the developed world is +/- 17:1. Seventeen calories of oil energy (minimum) are required to produce one edible calorie. Multiply by 3 to get meat. Do
the math. (Arable land, water, fertilizer, tractors, harvesters, trucks, packaging, ads, your gas, cooking heat, etc. X energy required to operate each subsystem X people on the planet, then project that number out from today as a trend line on a log scale. See where we're going here?

We don't have time for a revolution and we don't have any more time for their counter-revolution.
We do need a design revolution. The computer- driven mass mind that is evolving right before our eyes just might save us. As Captain Jack Aubrey always said to Stephen Maturin: "There isn't a moment to lose!" We are all crewmembers on board this spaceship, mortal creatures on a tiny speck in a vast and infinite Universe.

That universe is driven by electromagnetic energy carried on vast plasma currents. The physics we are being force-fed is hogwash. The Big Bang is a creationist fairy tale. It keeps things like they are.
We can wake up or we can drown in our own bilgewater as the oceans heat up and the land dries out. Plant more trees. Trees make it rain. Make it rain trees.

Rebuild the railroads. Re-engineer the machine tools of the agricultural industry for the coming drought (solar-driven, drip-irrigated, modular greenhouse tents). Use the aero-space industry's global intellectual assets to create a real-time biospheric, oceanic, and atmospheric all-planet monitoring system that's available to all 24/7/365.
Malthus was dead wrong. There's more than enough to make all of humanity successful.
Peace. If it isn't love, it's fear.
Good luck and Godspeed!

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Response to OSPREYXIV (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:53 PM

35. Great post. Thanks, OSPREYXIV

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Response to OSPREYXIV (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:16 PM

41. Welcome to DU, OSPREYXIV! This is MOST interesting!

It's not an outlandish idea at all. Mainly because we know these bastards HATE the New Deal because what they hate most is a level playing field. They want it always lopsided in THEIR favor.

Despite their many protestations through the decades, they don't believe in playing fair when big money and power are involved. They'll try to sneak, cheat, scam, and stack the deck wherever they can.

For all their yowling about the sanctity of competition, they really don't want to compete. They want to run the table, drive the competition out, and own it all.

Even though many of them are science-deniers and side with the religious extremists who deny Darwin and carbon-14 dating, they're remarkably Darwinistic in their economic world-view. Survival of the Fittest, Only, and Above All Else. They don't see why a single penny has to be spent helping the down-and-out. Because the down-and-out deserve to be there, and besides, the only way to get rid of strays is - don't feed 'em.

They regard ronald reagan as the greatest president since Lincoln, and FDR the worst, whereas most of us would see it completely the opposite way.

They are the Cursed. The Damned. And they deserve to be. Mammon-worshippers. Worshipping money and power more than anything. THEY'RE the rightful heirs of those whom Jesus drove OUT of the Temple.

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Response to calimary (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:59 AM

60. On the subject of 'science-deniers':

OSPREYXIV said "That universe is driven by electromagnetic energy carried on vast plasma currents. The physics we are being force-fed is hogwash. The Big Bang is a creationist fairy tale. It keeps things like they are. "

If that's not denying science, what is? Be careful what you call "not an outlandish idea at all".

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:12 PM

66. Fair enough. But what in particular rang my chimes was

The Koch brothers are just the tip of the iceberg.
A counter-revolution, engineered in slow motion, occurred outside the temporal frame that's been presented by the corporate media. On TV, it's always "Now!" It infantilizes the masses. History is what happens outside the margins of the screen and past the printed newspage. Every issue on the table today has been there since 1970. Been there. Got the t-shirt. Their agenda: to repeal all Roosevelt-era legislation.


This, I think, is key. This is the whole ballgame. And the more we hone in on this, the more focused and effective we'll be in fighting this movement that's gained so much momentum and clout in the last 30 years. Having been around long enough to see a lot of that '60s and '70s progress and social innovation (and being a VERY minor participant in one little backwash of it), I view what's happened in this country as manifesting the view that OSPREYXIV articulated above. That side of the aisle has been on a severely focused and well-thought-out long-term campaign to change the social structure and mindset of America. Look at how they want to roll back voting rights, women's rights, and Wall Street regulations. Back to the 1950s in some ways. Back to the 1929s in others. Back farther still in a few more. For those who fought for those reforms and who now see that fight coming closer than ever before to being completely up-ended, I'm glad to see someone else put this in writing. They DO want to get rid of the New Deal, that we in the '60s and '70s tried to expand upon. It's all part of their Satan's Thesis of "you're on your own," and "IGMFU" (I Got Mine, F-U) that is just abhorrent to me. I've heard them say this. Again and again! And it has to be fought. Again and again!

Sorry - I just get a little emotional about this stuff. Take it too personally. But thereya go.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #60)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:59 PM

68. Science is based on observation, not theory.

Ptolemy and Aristotle based models on theory.
Science is not empiricism or fact collecting. It is the result of testing a model in a laboratory to determine if the results support observationally obtained information.
Mathematical models of the Universe based on one rhin assumption, that the Hubble red-shift must mean galaxies are moving away from each other are merely mathematical models. Hubble himself was never certain of the meaning of his spectrographic analysis of intergalactic sources.
LeMaitre et. al. grabbed it and ran.
COBE produced clear evidence that intergalactic space is inhomogenous. The galactic masses are arranged in globular clusters that are strung together "like tangled spaghetti." These structures are far older than the Big Bang theory could possibly allow. There are galaxies, even stars that predate the Big Bang.

Nothing supports the BBT except the assumption that the "red shift" exists. It is much more likely that intergalactic light from more distant sources appears more reddish because it has been attenuated by (undetectable) intergalactic clouds of molecular hydrogen. Plasma is most likely to be found in the hotter, denser regions. Most of spacetime is empty. There are nebular clouds of (mostly) hydrogen and helium, stellar incubation zones within galaxies and galaxies in formation.

What supports the theories of a plasma-based universe is the fact that we can plasma behavior in tabletop devices wh produce "plasmoids" that can be photographed, consistently reproduced in the laboratory and recreated using advanced super-computer driven models, photographic evidence that supports a non-gravity driven model. Those results are consistent with other observations that demonstrate how energy flows along magnetic field lines that entwine and collapse into vortices that are self-similar ( fractal) and scalar. This explains how the formation of electrons, our sun, the planets, galaxies and galactic structures come into existence for more adequately that any of the myriad proposals of astrophysics based on the thin reed that is BBT.
Not one of the ideas that have been put forth by the astrophysicists to support BBT has ever been proved by observed phenomena. Not. one. Dark matter, string theory, etc. Fundamentally BBT is wrong if for no other reason than the fact that it is a model based on an error in perception: none of the "objects" we can observe are objects, they are the result of processes that depend on the behavior of energy patterns that we have labelled as "points" or "particles" out of convenience because our minds evolved in a way that makes it hard to comprehend a world where everything is in constant motion. That was Einstein's big idea: relativity. Science has nothing to do with belief. It too is constantly changing. If it doesn't it stops being science and becomes a substitute for even more primitive explanations of what's going on.

This is not science denial but it is denial of a body of astrophysical theory I'm not alone in denying. Pick up any journal dealing with plasma physics or talk to someone other than an astrophysicist. Better yet, read about Hannes Alfven, the Swedish physicist whose work in magnetohydrodynamics that led to these realizations and resulted in the only Nobel acceptance speech that refuted the recipient's theory because he'd already come up with a better idea. Alfven was always a generation ahead of everyone else, always attacked, always exonerated. There a a lot ideas that began with him and were forgotten by opponent who later claimed them as their own when observations proven Alfven was right.

The gravity-powered models just don't work. I'm not denying science, I'm denying science fiction.

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Response to OSPREYXIV (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:52 PM

51. +10000

Super great post OSPREYXIV!!!

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:19 PM

10. I don't think so.

These guys aren't going away. If anything they will double down and become even more extreme in their efforts to gain total control. The Supreme Court will strike down the Voting Rights Act in its next session. Republicans in the House and Senate will continue to block any real reform and Obama's DOJ will be reluctant to prosecute GOP/corporate wrongdoing. Not to be a debbie downer, but these guys are playing a long game and we are playing a short one.

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:36 PM

21. Exactly, Beowulf

We saw these same posts four years ago. These little victories are keeping us from starting the full-scale revolution that will be necessary to get the country back. Posts like the OP are so discouraging in that a lot of people actually believe them.

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:22 PM

43. Welcome to DU, Beowolf!

You're spot-on about this, too. These assholes don't give up and they don't go away and gracefully admit defeat. If anyone doubts, just take Roe v Wade as just one example. The Supreme Court SPOKE. Period. And that was that. But not to these bastards. They started chipping away at that ruling, relentlessly. They put everything into it, looking for ANY way large or small, to whittle it down, defang it, get around it, muddy the waters about it, whatever it took.

And look where we are now? Maybe three days away from actually seeing Roe v Wade's protections COMPLETELY WIPED OUT. The ruling overturned. Done away with. All that progress and all that work and all that revolutionary change that made the difference for ALL women - down the drain. Because if wrongney wins, that IS what WILL happen.

Needless to say, we're glad you're here and we need you! We need every last one of us to make sure that DOESN'T happen!!!




Now get to work.

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Response to calimary (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:31 PM

44. Thanks for the welcome,

but I've been on DU since the earliest days in 2001. I just don't post much.

One point I'll add is that since the Gingrich revolution in 1994, there's no evidence that the GOP respects election results, so beating Romney means little for the long term.

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #44)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:37 PM

49. Well, hell, good to welcome you here anyway!

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Response to calimary (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:56 PM

55. Amen........GET TO WORK

The day after the election the Democrats need to get to work on who to get running for House and Senate seats for the next election cycle........not to mention start to line up who will run for President when Obama finishes his term. There has to be boots on the ground all the time to fight against the money and coruption that the republicans have backing them up. Now is the time to start converting "normal" republicans and to shine the light on the others who, if given a chance would take away rights and freedoms of all to meet their religious and backward agendas. I, for one, refuse to go back to having the rich having dictatorship over my life and my children's lives and if we don't fight back in 20 years or less that is what this Country will look like.

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Response to Beowulf (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:37 PM

67. They can a-Ford it.

They have their games, we have ours.
They are Bourbons who learn nothing, forget nothing. We have knowledge, they have power.

The reason we are sitting out here in the cold on the verge of starvation is that we cannot agree on a common agenda. Corporate propaganda, disguised as entertainment is used to divide and conquer. There's nothing complicated about it.

For that reason, we must realize that this struggle will never be over. There are no happy endings,
Hollywood bullshit is delusional, it deflects and disconnects us from genuine emotion reactions appropriate to the reality which is at hand in the here and now. Politics has become packaging and presentation. It is our job to understand what is really being said, not to fall for the grifters' spiel.
What is real? What's really at stake? Easy one. The Constitution. We're for it, they'd like to forget it.

Romney Republicans are deracinated, even more thoroughly hypnotized than chalk-lined chickens.
If not, they're double plus dangerous because only a super-cynical, uber-clinical sociopath can suspend disbelief on continual basis 24/7/365. For them "follow the money" is their mantra, not their motto. Our motto?
"Fair play, fair deal, fair share."

Maintain a constant state of suspicious alertness at all times. "What's in it for them?" More. Always more. Nothing more, nothing less. That's all.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:23 PM

13. White conservative republicans are outnumbered. It's as simple as that.

there are way more of us than there are of them.

they can try to keep us from voting all they want, but they can't win
the battle of demographics. theirs is shrinking. ours is growing.

unless the republican party changes is platform and leaves racism
and homophobia behind, they will never win the white house again.

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Response to bushisanidiot (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:33 PM

20. I can't remember where I read this, but I read it in a few places.

Someone in the Romney campaign said they are deliberately going for the white vote, but this campaign is the last one where that demographic will decide the election. That this is the last time it can work due to a rapidly changing American demographic in favor of minorities. Maybe the last time it worked was with Junior. I hope so.

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Response to charlyvi (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:38 PM

23. And the thing is, there is no "white vote". We are split. It's all of the other demographics

that are collectively overcoming the white conservative vote, and those demographics
include white lgbt, white women, and white liberal men.

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Response to bushisanidiot (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:43 PM

25. I know this poor white girl has voted Dem all her life.

And most likely will continue to do so, unless they lose their minds like repubs have.

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Response to bushisanidiot (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:37 PM

22. Really? White conservative Repukes are a minority in TX

and AZ. How's that working? Can we expect those EV for the president on Tuesday?

Get serious

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:26 PM

14. Nah. It's not like progressive ideas are getting passed.

It's not like Obama is a liberal. He's still a centrist and doesn't push for progressive causes.

This is nothing like a revolution. It's just a disappointment for the billionaires. They're still getting what they want, just a little less of it. Reelecting Obama isn't going to change the tax code, isn't going to get real Wall Street reform, isn't going to get a hell of a lot of things the people want and need, etc.. etc... Obama's not a revolutionary president, he's a centrist who compromises before negotiating even begins and he doesn't really get out and fight for the people. Hopefully a different Obama will get unleashed in his second term.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:28 PM

16. One step at a time

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Response to cui bono (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:43 PM

24. Not a chance

We'll get more centrism (Reganism) at best. Privatization of SS, Medicare, and schools will continue. More disenfranchisement will take place. Environmental protections will continue to be rolled back. More pot smokers will be imprisoned, more white collar criminals will be left alone. The president will probably fold on the Bush/Obama tax cuts (again), and refuse to stand up to the far right Congress (again).

It's better than Willard for president, but it sure as hell isn't a revolution.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:27 PM

15. The biggest change will

be,we get a new AG. Then the enforcement of the Sherman Anti Trust Act.Citi Bank=toast,Morgan and Goldman broken up.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:29 PM

17. Wally, you might want to cut back on the hooch

They will still have bought a right-wing Congress that will preclude the president from enacting anything but right-wing initiatives.
They will still have taken more giant steps toward rendering our elections as fraudulent as those in any banana republic
They will still have a large number of far-right kooks making laws for the country (Akin, Mourdock, Bachmann, Boner, ...)
They will have nearly bought the WH for the most amoral candidate in history
They will still own all of the main media in the country
Half the country will still believe every lie told by Fox news

and that's IF they don't steal the WH.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:31 PM

18. Then I'll just take two aspirin and move to Jamaica

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:45 PM

26. +1

A voice of reason!

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:31 PM

19. Exactly. This is why this election is SO important! n/t

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:52 PM

27. None of which is guaranteed: Get Out the Vote!

I'm happy to pour the scotch when the election is won.

It's not yet won.

Go vote. Get your neighbors to vote. Get your family to vote. Get your colleagues to vote. Get your friends to vote. Get your exes to vote. Get your kids' friends' parents to vote.

Sorry to sound like a broken record. When Romney is giving his weasel-worded concession speech, then I'll celebrate.


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Response to eallen (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:32 PM

46. When Romney is giving his weasel-worded concession speech, then I'll celebrate.

I feel the very same way. When we hear President Obama mentioning how he just got that call from wrongney. That, AND the weasel-worded concession speech. AND I want to watch her ladyship ayn of dressage try to stay poised. I thoroughly enjoyed every shot of sarah palin while john mcsame was delivering his concession speech. The pretend smile she was struggling to keep pasted on her face. Trying not to cry in public. After all that cocky and completely cock-eyed bluster she spewed all over the country with her squeaky voice. After all, she had an image to uphold.

I won't relax or stop worrying until that moment. Well, in reality, I won't relax OR stop worrying, completely, as long as there are republi-CONS and their koch brother owners walking the earth.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:59 PM

29. Please don't count this one over yet

I'm still scared as hell. I believe the dark forces that stole 2004 and 2000 but took a break in 2008 (because they both were not behind McCain and also knew he was a lost cause) are at work this election cycle. They may try to STEAL Ohio... that can still swing the election. Don't be relaxed. Don't count our victory just yet.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:55 PM

36. What makes you think the authoritarians are going to give up that easy?

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Response to TrogL (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:19 PM

42. Exactly.

It can even be argued that money did not win over the people in 2000, and 2004---but still prevailed. They don't need to win hearts and minds. They just need to win the count. Ask Stalin who said something to that effect.

We have a dictatorship of the Corporation and this is how it works. It doesn't need or care about our support because it owns the machinery.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 03:58 PM

37. COUNT THEE NO CHICKENS!!! They're putting gremlins in the Ohio voting machines.

Let's keep the eye on the ball.

But your post is very interesting and I'm going to read it again after the election. However, right now, I'm throwing salt over my left shoulder for having seen it.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:05 PM

38. An Obama win will be used as evidence that CU is legitimate

The Right will say that tainted money didn't hurt the Dems, so everyone should shut up about overturning CU. They will dig in deeper to undermine the foundations of our democracy.

A PBO win will only be the beginning of round two in the fight for our country and we'll need to keep up the fight. Evil will never give up and will continue to corrupt everything they touch.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:16 PM

39. Agree completely, but...

...am very concerned about the computer patches being installed on Ohio voting machines this late in the game.

In the event of a stolen election, it will not mean that the revolution you describe, did not happen--but it means we face a much harder fight to establish it and that many people will feel their "revolutionary" efforts in fact make no difference and they'll get discouraged.

The Dems waited too long in dealing with election fraud---we needed the paper ballot push to begin in the House, with Democratic reps, at least two years ago, so that the news of fraud was a topic in all debates and squarely on the radar.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:35 PM

47. Exactly. Here's the link:

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:16 PM

40. As I just posted in another thread,

While that meme is something to be temporarily jubilant about, if we don't set to work overcoming CU, the meme will be used against us. As in, "See, we've already had an election, and Obama won" as if that means anything. It won't be a revolution until we add another constitutional amendment or two. And ban electronic voting. Absent that, this war rages on. These people aren't just going to pick up their toys and go home.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:50 PM

50. The republicans believe in serfdom...they are the barons we are the serfs.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:05 PM

52. well

we will be reclaiming from the corporate interests, again, a country/government FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE. All the thugs, liars, racists faux news pundits and their other MSM cohorts, NYT, NPR, MSNBC will have to really be made to do a citizens evaluation of how they did a disservice to the american populace with perpetuating the lies and disinformation of the racist tea party and all the right wing extremists...they must be brought to account for this.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:13 PM

53. Wait a min.....

I don't want to rain on your happy parade, but....
These people will not go away after Nov. 6th. People who are anti women and anti choice will be elected.
They will do everything in their power to stop progress or tear it down.
If POTUS Obama wins on Tues, yes it will have been a great achievement and a proud day for the US.
But these bastards lie and cheat and will continue to do these things.
What saddens me is that Romney will even make a showing at all. That he, despite the outrageous lies, will even have a showing. That people will support a lying, tax evading cheat. That people would support a man who does not even keep his money in this country.

We need to be even stronger in the days ahead

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Response to mgardener (Reply #53)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:17 PM

54. I agree that a simple beginning is not a revolution won, but winning against the odds they've

put into place is a major achievement we can at least find "hope" in. The war is far from over, but it is always nice to win a battle.

"A journey of 1000 miles begins with one step"

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Response to mgardener (Reply #53)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:37 PM

56. These "we've won!!" trolls are really tiresome

They make these vanity posts and get some of the dumber DUers to get on board. They are as dangerous to democracy as the teabaggers. When the Obama/Bush tax cuts are renewed, they'll be the ones shouting "he had to!!".

DINOs, trolls, vanity posters. The scourge of DU

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:33 AM

58. Who said "we won" ?

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 09:12 AM

61. That would be you

you in the OP declared that if the president is re-elected, we will have somehow rendered billionaires, teabaggers, right-wingers, Big Media, etc...obsolete. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #61)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:47 AM

64. I only said the Teabaggers would be "obsolete" and that is very possible. I also said that hopefuly

but, doubtfully, the Republican party would be history. As far as the rest, I just think a win over them would be significant. I think we both want the same end result. I just don't see the problem with celebrating small victories along the way.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 07:59 PM

57. What really scares me though......

Is just how badly TPTB and the far-right might react to the Prez being re-elected, especially if he ends up winning bigger and better than many of us might think. I am beginning to become somewhat concerned about a possible backlash against not just us Democrats, but just about anyone else who isn't a Teabagger including those moderate conservatives and right-leaning centrists who didn't toe the line and vote against Obama(some still are though, like most members of my family).

This could very well be something like a nasty remix of '50s McCarthyism, the Klan bombings of the '60s, and the King Riots in '92, and perhaps multiplied several-fold. It's not something I like to think about happening in real life, but it very well could be reality.

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Response to world wide wally (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 11:54 AM

65. Welcome to DU! The Republican party would have to change

 

Can you imagine how ANGRY and VICIOUS the RW'ers will get when their party throws them under the bus? They can't win on their 1950's platform anymore.

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