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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:05 PM May 2016

It is the flagrant skirting of public records law, not security, that is the problem.

The violations of public records law seem to be the more serious violation. There were intentional steps taken by Hillary and her inner circle to skirt those laws. There were lies told by Hillary and her inner circle after the fact. These efforts were in bad faith and two federal judges have found evidence of intentional violations with respect to the public record law.

We know now the private server was, at least in part, to protect and maintain control over the personal email communications.

The security issue, although it sounds more serious, lacks the intentionality, as far as I can tell. It also lacks evidence of any harm done. I don't put any stock in guccifer's claims.

But intentionally hiding public records is a problem. The obvious question is, what is she hiding? The thing is, we will almost certainly find out. And it's going to be a liability for the Dems.

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It is the flagrant skirting of public records law, not security, that is the problem. (Original Post) morningfog May 2016 OP
She turned over 30,000+ emails scscholar May 2016 #1
She self selected and turned over 55,000 to state. morningfog May 2016 #2
There is no requirement to turn over personal email scscholar May 2016 #7
You don't understand goal posts. morningfog May 2016 #8
She lied when she claimed that all work-related email had been turned over. frylock May 2016 #3
She lied. The Hillies eat it up as truth. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2016 #11
imo - she did not 840high May 2016 #4
We will find out. Federal judges will be deciding whether to morningfog May 2016 #5
She is, by disposition, Richard Nixon. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #6
HRC supporters running around with their hair on fire... screaming cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #12
The NDA she signed, which is admittedly an "agreement" lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #17
The public records law was expanded to specifically include emails in 2014 -- after she left State. pnwmom May 2016 #9
And you haven't read the report. You are ignorant on this. morningfog May 2016 #14
The report doesn't change the fact that the public records act was amended in 2014 pnwmom May 2016 #19
Read pages 22-25, including footnotes and get back to us. morningfog May 2016 #21
Can you please direct us to the paragraph in her non-disclosure agreement lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #18
Setting legality aside... TipTok May 2016 #20
who cares? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #10
You mean the laws that changed after she left State? TwilightZone May 2016 #13
The laws in place when she was at state. Don't play dipshit. morningfog May 2016 #15
You first TwilightZone May 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #22
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. She self selected and turned over 55,000 to state.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:14 PM
May 2016

She retained deleted 30,000 which she claimed were personal. Ther is no way for state to verify that there are no federal records in those 30,000.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
8. You don't understand goal posts.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

she sled selected and there is not way for State to determine what was personal and what was government.

She was required to give everything from the private account that she used for government, but did not.

There is no way to verify whether state has all of her government records and that is by her design.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
3. She lied when she claimed that all work-related email had been turned over.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:16 PM
May 2016

Just wanted to Correct the Record.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
5. We will find out. Federal judges will be deciding whether to
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:23 PM
May 2016

order the personal emails released.

I assume the FBI had already recovered them.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
12. HRC supporters running around with their hair on fire... screaming
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

"she dint break laws... she broke RULES! There's a difference!"

pnwmom

(108,975 posts)
9. The public records law was expanded to specifically include emails in 2014 -- after she left State.
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:33 PM
May 2016

So there goes that argument.

pnwmom

(108,975 posts)
19. The report doesn't change the fact that the public records act was amended in 2014
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:01 AM
May 2016

to specifically include emails.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
21. Read pages 22-25, including footnotes and get back to us.
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

She violated the public records law. And it seems to have been intentional.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
18. Can you please direct us to the paragraph in her non-disclosure agreement
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:53 PM
May 2016
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HRC-SCI-NDA1.pdf

Which exempts emails, as not being "sensitive information", and thus not subject to the penalties defined therein?

BTW, it also gives the government the right to collect the cost of investigation from Clinton should she lose.
 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
20. Setting legality aside...
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

What other reason would you suggest for the implementation of the server other than to avoid public transparency?

TwilightZone

(25,457 posts)
13. You mean the laws that changed after she left State?
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:41 PM
May 2016

Those laws?

Pretty hard for her to skirt them if they didn't exist. What, now she has a time machine?

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