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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:06 PM May 2016

Nominating a Presidential Candidate Under Active FBI Investigation Is An Incredibly Risky Gamble

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/03/nominating-a-presidential-candidate-under-active-fbi-investigation-is-an-incredibly-risky-gamble

Nominating a Presidential Candidate Under Active FBI Investigation Is An Incredibly Risky Gamble

Unless, of course, there is some kind of separate system of justice for the powerful…
by Nathan J. Robinson

The 2016 election has many bizarre aspects, but surely one of the most bizarre is the fact that one of the main presidential candidates is under active investigation by the FBI, and that this is somehow being treated as unimportant or inconsequential.

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Examine, for instance, the case of Bryan Nishimura, a Naval reservist who deployed during Afghanistan during 2007 and 2008. Nishimura was prosecuted when he stored classified information on unsecured devices. In its press release announcing Nishimura’s plea agreement, the FBI summarized the facts as follows:

In his role as a Regional Engineer for the U.S. military in Afghanistan, Nishimura had access to classified briefings and digital records that could only be retained and viewed on authorized government computers. Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media. He carried such classified materials on his unauthorized media when he traveled off-base in Afghanistan and, ultimately, carried those materials back to the United States at the end of his deployment. In the United States, Nishimura continued to maintain the information on unclassified systems in unauthorized locations, and copied the materials onto at least one additional unauthorized and unclassified system… The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel.

See if you can find any meaningful distinction between Nishimura’s conduct and Clinton’s. Just as with Clinton, nobody alleges that the action caused harm, or that Nishimura used it for any nefarious purposes. Just as with Clinton, nobody alleges that Nishimura disclosed or intended to disclose the information to any unauthorized person. The only issue here is that Nishimura kept classified materials on unauthorized media, precisely the same thing Clinton is alleged to have done.

The same is true in the case of John Deutch, a CIA officer whose laptops were found to contain classified material. Deutch had agreed to plead to a misdemeanor offense of mishandling classified documents when he was pardoned by Bill Clinton. And then there was the case of Wen Ho Lee, relentlessly hounded by the government and put in solitary confinement for nine months on suspicion of spying after downloading classified information, was a particularly heinous low point. And as Glenn Greenwald has documented, there are plenty of other examples to choose from:

NSA whistleblower Tom Drake, for instance, faced years in prison, and ultimately had his career destroyed, based on the Obama DOJ’s claims that he “mishandled” classified information (it included information that was not formally classified at the time but was retroactively decreed to be such)… Last year, a Naval officer was convicted of mishandling classified information also in the absence of any intent to distribute it.

It’s strange, then, for Ruth Marcus (and the others who insist that Clinton’s conduct was lawful) to dwell on the differences between Clinton’s behavior and David Petraeus’s, while failing to mention any relevant differences between Clinton’s case and that of Nishimura or Deutch.

Clinton’s own defenses haven’t been particularly reassuring, either. Initially, Clinton’s campaign insisted that none of the material sent on the unsecured server was classified: “Hillary didn’t send any classified materials over email: Hillary only used her personal account for unclassified email.” Then, the Clinton campaign admitted that classified information had been sent, but insisted that the initial statement was still simultaneously true because none of the material was “marked” classified “at the time.” That defense was laughable on its face, because everyone at every level of the State Department is trained to recognize what sort of information is presumptively classified and should be handled accordingly. Of all people, the highly experienced Hillary Clinton would be the last to be oblivious to basic departmental protocol.

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Nominating a Presidential Candidate Under Active FBI Investigation Is An Incredibly Risky Gamble (Original Post) amborin May 2016 OP
Her Evil will out. Better now than in the General Election... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #1
And nominating a socialist is all good right? StayFrosty May 2016 #2
Well tazkcmo May 2016 #6
That's Democratic Socialist. KeepItReal May 2016 #7
The GOP called Obama a socialist. HooptieWagon May 2016 #18
LOL, BINGO! nt Land of Enchantment May 2016 #32
Oh do hurl another Brocky-ball... Raster May 2016 #27
Brock-puppets to the rescue! Breaking Barriers and Correcting Records!! arcane1 May 2016 #30
Please tell me you too aren't being paid by Brock. floriduck May 2016 #44
Former First Lady. Former Senator. Former SoS. No way on earth she'll ever cali May 2016 #3
Correct. tazkcmo May 2016 #5
Could Secretary Clinton be not guilty? (n/t) PJMcK May 2016 #10
I'm sure she will be. n/t tazkcmo May 2016 #14
Security Review! n/t tazkcmo May 2016 #4
I know you're joking... scscholar May 2016 #35
The Director did. tazkcmo May 2016 #36
You do realize you are completely wasting your time and effort. DCBob May 2016 #8
I am guessin you hope she's not cannabis_flower May 2016 #11
It is more likely she will be hit by lightning than be indicted. DCBob May 2016 #17
Perhaps cannabis_flower May 2016 #22
I got five on it! tazkcmo May 2016 #39
Amen. Everyday they post one of these! Everyday underthematrix May 2016 #26
but is she worthy? can she win? reddread May 2016 #40
It's a losing hand EndElectoral May 2016 #9
That may be so, but I for one am hoping that... RufusTFirefly May 2016 #12
lol. tazkcmo May 2016 #16
Risky from the voters perspective; selfish from the candidate's perspective. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #13
Well since it's all about her farleftlib May 2016 #25
The question is will justice be served? trudyco May 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #19
Team Hillary is so darn smart, I'd rather let them make that call. oasis May 2016 #20
Your non stop stream of Clinton bashing is working. writes3000 May 2016 #21
What Clinton does is bashing, making up lies and smearing. . . what Bernie does is called pdsimdars May 2016 #24
Pointing out facts is not bashing. Maedhros May 2016 #42
Risky gamble for people, not the corporations putting money into both sides. Joob May 2016 #23
Greenwald summed it up nicely in a tweet yesterday Electric Monk May 2016 #28
You know what... I really don't give a fig if they nominate her nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #29
It's outright stupid! Cobalt Violet May 2016 #31
The Voters Obviously Disagree jamese777 May 2016 #34
That's the primary. We're talking about how she will do in the general. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #37
this is from March Demsrule86 May 2016 #33
Someone will post it again tomorrow - PAMod May 2016 #38
You're forgetting that every SoS decides what is to be classified and what isn't. Hillary is a ancianita May 2016 #41
It's not my Party, so I have a level of detachment that allows me to observe Maedhros May 2016 #43

StayFrosty

(237 posts)
2. And nominating a socialist is all good right?
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

I mean we know how good the American people react to the word socialist

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
18. The GOP called Obama a socialist.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:37 PM
May 2016

I think the country has left McCarthyism behind, except for Hillarians and other conservatives.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
44. Please tell me you too aren't being paid by Brock.
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:54 PM
May 2016

Member since: Tue May 3, 2016, 03:54 AM
Number of posts: 171
Number of posts, last 90 days: 171
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 122 posts in the last 90 days (71% of total posts)
Favorite group: Hillary Clinton, 33 posts in the last 90 days (19% of total posts)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. Former First Lady. Former Senator. Former SoS. No way on earth she'll ever
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

be indicted.

That simply is not how it works.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
35. I know you're joking...
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

but has the FBI even confirmed there's an investigation? The only sources I've seen claim that are not reliable. It's like everyone is assuming it because the Republicans say it's true.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
39. I got five on it!
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

If you seriously believe ANY wealthy, powerful, connected and In The Club 1%er would be indicted for anything short of a public mass murder then you haven't been paying attention. If anybody has a clear cut case of "affluenza", it's a Clinton.

From what little we do know, there's enough evidence of negligence to put me and (presuming you're not mega wealthy) you in prison for 10 years or so. Just having a server in our house (secure or not) would land us in prison if there was sensitive government information on that server. Two justice systems. One for us and one for them.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
12. That may be so, but I for one am hoping that...
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

... her magnetic personality and her constant and incorruptible policy positions will help her to weather this particular storm.

Response to amborin (Original post)

writes3000

(4,734 posts)
21. Your non stop stream of Clinton bashing is working.
Sun May 22, 2016, 08:48 PM
May 2016

It's making me more committed to her this ever. And I suspect it's having the same effect on others. Congrats!

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
24. What Clinton does is bashing, making up lies and smearing. . . what Bernie does is called
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:49 PM
May 2016

vetting. . . bringing out the ACTUAL short comings of the candidate, not made up distortions.

It is no one's fault but HILLARY'S for doing what she did. You can't blame it on anyone else if you are being honest about it. SHE DID IT. She put that server outside the secure government network and she signed an agreement UNDER OATH NOT to handle information that way.

So now that she broke hear oath, you want to blame everyone else for it. Well, that is a big, fat, steaming pile of fertilizer.

You saying Hillary should not be accountable for her own actions? Yea, that's real leadershp, blame everyone else.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
23. Risky gamble for people, not the corporations putting money into both sides.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:41 PM
May 2016

They'd be happier with Trump than Bernie. They know Trump would make deals.

But of course, they're happiest with Hillary. What I'm saying is it's not a gamble for them.
Hillary can keep people (uh well some) happy, they definitely want that.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. You know what... I really don't give a fig if they nominate her
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:58 PM
May 2016

actually, to a point I am hoping they do. It will be job security for news producers. Though not CNN, if you get my drift.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
31. It's outright stupid!
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

I won't have anything to do with it. Never seen anything as dumb as nominating a unpopular candidate under active investigation. What could go wrong?

jamese777

(546 posts)
34. The Voters Obviously Disagree
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

Primaries' total "POPULAR" vote as of May 23rd
Hillary Clinton: 13,192,713 (55.5%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,158,889 (42.7%)
Donald Trump: 11,266,041

Clinton over Sanders: 3,033,824
Clinton over Trump: 1,926,672
Trump over Sanders: 1,057,152

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
37. That's the primary. We're talking about how she will do in the general.
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

Those number won't help her in the general at all. She was/is a stupid choice. Maybe popular but still a stupid choice.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
33. this is from March
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:24 PM
May 2016

Seriously old article....almost three months...what your fox buddies not writing stuff?

ancianita

(36,032 posts)
41. You're forgetting that every SoS decides what is to be classified and what isn't. Hillary is a
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:37 PM
May 2016

deep state insider whose emails are as amplified as the other allegations of wrongdoing against her, and I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI determines that the allegations are unfounded. The reassurances people seek will be cleared up then. Because, hey, we trust the good ol' FBI, don't we.

Y'all forget that the State Department is not an arm of the 19 intelligence agencies under the Department of Homeland Security.

No one working at different levels of the the State Department knows what of all their emails will be decided as 'classified' unless the Secretary of State issues the guidelines.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
43. It's not my Party, so I have a level of detachment that allows me to observe
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:45 PM
May 2016

without emotional connection.

It seems that Democrats have placed party politics above the well-being of the country, which is not to be unexpected.

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