2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDon't underestimate the passion of Hillary supporters
Just because we aren't all going to all the rallies - does not mean that we are less passionate about supporting Hillary than others are about supporting Sanders.
We are just quieter.
I understand where Sanders supporters are coming from. And I think it's great that so many are behind his ideas. I am happy that he has pushed the country to the left and brought people out of the woodwork to vote. I hope more liberal democrats take notice and run for office - that we get more liberals in all of the State Houses and in Congress.
But I have Hillary's back. I think she has more than proven herself.
And I get tired of people trash talking her. I was tired of it in the 90's and I'm tired of it now.
I expect that she will be an excellent president and role model.
Someone wrote in a reply to me - that 'they' thought this was as important election - as if I did not. That person could not be more wrong.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Lie, cheat and steal: it'll all come out in the wash.
No one here underestimates the "passion" of Her Majesty's sycophants.
bloom
(11,635 posts)some people don't. I don't.
Some people seem to think Sanders is God. I don't.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)When she keeps lying right to your face, I think of her as a liar. The latest stunning example is that she was using "Bernie voted against the auto bailout and I voted for it." That is an outright lie. Proven by the facts to be a lie. When she started using it in the rust belt, even Forbes came out and called it a lie. And yet, she was just using it in Kentucky. What kind of a person does that? Is that ME needing to hate her? No. It is what you want to pretend. But it is me, seeing her spread a lie, being told it was a lie by credible people, and going right on using it.
Bernie supporters don't think of him as God. That is another made up thing. They love him because he speaks to their issues. For DECADES the Democratic party has been dissing progressives, THEIR BASE! Rahm Immanuel called them retards. Obama called out progressives. They chastize their OWN BASE. And try to persuade the Right Wing voters. So when someone comes along who is actually unashamed of progressive values. . . it makes people happy. Just because you are not used to being happy and inspired by your candidate, doesn't mean we think of him as God. Made up NONSENSE.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I'd be desperate too if the FBI was about to find my candidate violated her security agreement.
bloom
(11,635 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)I only hope that those who actually run the Democratic Party have already implemented contingency and succession planning that was initiated last Spring when her apparent violation of her Classified Information agreement was first made public. Even a fricking start-up IT company does succession planning before it goes public. It's just mandatory. How can a major political party that claims to represent tens of millions of people be any different?
It's over. The question now, will the party rank and file have any say at all in who replaces Hillary Clinton? From all appearances, the answer to that is no.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Not-a-lawyer knows less than actual lawyers, methinks.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)that even now is lining them up behind Trump and will drive them to the polls.
bloom
(11,635 posts)He would be roasted and fried.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)since he doesn't have two plus decades of ethical/moral questions dogging him.
bloom
(11,635 posts)if you think that a proclaimed Socialist is going to easily slide in for a win.
That's just not going to happen.
I can see Hillary taking on Trump - as she has had to deal with Republican crap for decades. Bernie has his little niche up in Vermont - where he has stayed out of the fray - until now.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)which was as recent as 1990 or so. The polling at the moment show HRC losing or barely beating Trump, while Sanders beats him by healthy margins.
But you folks keep treating us like the enemy and embracing Democrats who even now are talking about how they can work with "President Trump".
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)way behind her, so far behind her I am incapable of helping her.
...don't hold your breath here.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)You can do all the phone banking, canvassing, and fund raising without my help.
cali
(114,904 posts)bloom
(11,635 posts)Trajan
(19,089 posts)I am less than enthusiastic for a Hillary candidacy ...
I am not inspired by fear ... I'm inspired by the hope to change the lives of poor and middle class citizens. ...
Hillary and the other 'republican' Democrats inspire bankers and international corporate overlords to pay huge sums in order to change policies in their favor, and then cast off the needs and desires of hundreds of millions middle class and poor citizens in the process ... Because 'it's too hard!' ...
So, after all the false narratives and demonization of those hopeless middle class citizens run their course, you expect the mIddle class and poor to show up at the polls in November, just to halt the big bogeyman? ... Good Luck with that ...
You've made your bed, now sleep in it ...
It's not too hard to help the middle class, but you have to first CARE about the middle class ...
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)She supported ALL those trade deals.
She supports all the wars.
She has talked of privatizing social security.
She is on the WRONG side of MOST important issues.
It is not about your commitment or passion or anything, it is about what you support. If you are a Democrat, why do you support all those Republican positions? It makes no sense to me. No sense whatsoever. It is about where they stand that matters, not anything else.
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)From the safety of my sofa.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)You despise progressive policies.