CNN: Bernie Sanders has won 19 of the last 25 voting states and is on a roll!

[coffeeAM]

Wow, I am shocked Fredricka Whitfield was allowed to use this as a topic of discussion..

Then the wonderful Nomiki Konst hammered the point home that there is a path to victory and the supers are gonna switch!!

[brooklynite]

1. Why are the Supers going to switch?

What compelling argument is there?

[AgerolanAmerican]

8. three ghosts will appear to them in their dreams

The Ghost of Clinton Scandals Past, the Ghost of Clinton Scandals Present, and the scariest one of them all - the Ghost of Clinton Scandals Future.

[libdem4life]

16. Great analysis. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Except, they may Not Be Ghosts.

[apnu]

17. LOL! that one was funny.

[grasswire]

29. hahaha!

And the Grim Reaper wearing an FBI badge.

[TwilightZone]

31. Too bad ghosts don't really exist.

[BillZBubb]

44. Wow, I wish I would have thought of that one!

Good stuff.

[dchill]

52. That's so very good!

[brush]

69. The OP is incorrect. Sanders has not won what is claimed

Since March 8th, Sanders has won the following:

Michigan, Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Rhode Island, Indiana, West Virginia



Since March 8th, Sanders has LOST the following:

Mississippi, Northern Marianas, Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Arizona, New York, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Guam

[firebrand80]

101. Excellent nt

[bjo59]

28. Haven't you been keeping up with recent news reports?

[uponit7771]

91. The reports of Podium Bird riding on Unicorns have only been confirmed by Weaver no one else

[Mary Mac]

61. there is no momentum in politics.

Hillary won in March.

[MrMickeysMom]

74. I'll give you a few good arguments...

1) She polls worse against Trump, lately there is zero edge on that.

2) She has secrets and may have committed crimes.

3) Clinton loses many more Sanders voters than the other way.

4) Her legislative accomplishments as senator were unimpressive.

5) Sanders, the “Amendment King” left a lasting and substantial legislative record.

6) Today’s thinkers and activists oppose her – The great raft of intellectuals, writers and activists deeply devoted to social justice, largely permanent outsiders uninterested in lobbying for a job in the administration, overwhelmingly favor Sanders.

7) Superdelegates are hardline Democrats. Their loyalty is to the
Democratic Party, which primarily is to keeping it viable, keeping it in charge, keeping
membership high, keeping donations coming in. This is why they will
side with Sanders at the convention.

[NurseJackie]

77. Acres?

[Faux pas]

2. Kickin' with gusto!

[redstateblues]

3. Another delusional lo poster for Bernie

[Vote2016]

4. ALERT - THIS IS A FORBIDDEN TOPIC ON THE M$M!

[TexasTowelie]

5. I'm surprised that they let her use that line also

since it isn't true.

[MattP]

6. They always have one Bernie advocate and one non partisan

Or Marc Lamont Hill who makes it two for Bernie and there is never a Hillary person

[libdem4life]

10. Oh my, the Hillary the MSM Victim. Good thing I didn't have anything like

coffee in my mouth when I read this. Is this the new talking point for today? The Victim Card?

[KPN]

32. How outrageous! Hillary gets shafted by the MSM consistently!!!!

[oberliner]

7. That's not true

Bernie has won 10 of the last 25 contests.

[coffeeAM]

12. As the topic states. she said 19 of the last 25 voting states, not contests.

[oberliner]

33. That's still not true

If you exclude the territories (which I'm not sure why that distinction is being made), then he has won 13 of the last 25 states.

Incidentally, two of the states that he did not win, New York and Florida, had more voters than all 13 of the states he won in that period combined.

[uponit7771]

92. More of this "math" thingy :rolleyes: /sarcasm

[MattP]

9. Just saying 19 of 25 doesnt make it true

[beaglelover]

11. Yeah, a roll out of the election. It's OVER!!

Stick a fork in Bernie, he'd done done done!

[CentralMass]

21. No one has won the nomination. There is a only 283 pledged delegates separating them.

[Zynx]

13. That's mainly a function of demographic and geographic clustering

There isn't a path to victory. This is going to be over June 7th. Stop this crap. You're just gonna make this more painful when it happens.

[dana_b]

22. no, YOU stop this crap

we have every right to continue to fight. Don't like it? Trash thread.

[metroins]

34. It's not that we don't like it

It's just cringeworthy...we see people posting complete fantasy and trying to pass it off as fiction. Sanders doesn't just need a Hail Mary in the last 3 seconds of the game, he needs like 700 of them in the last second.

Super delegates are not going to switch, Hillary is ahead by every metric, the voters are speaking and the party supports her.

Fantasy does not equal reality.

[grasswire]

58. Fantasy is thinking that she will outrun the FBI.

THAT is fantasy.

[KPN]

35. Thanks so much for your deep and heartfelt concern for our pain.

[grasswire]

56. this is what democracy looks like

get used to it

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. This theme of weakness is now

Becoming the new normal....three to four months after foreign press and very elite media said this

Trump scares the living day lights out of the establishment

[apnu]

15. Too bad he started out so slow and had weak campaigning in early states

Especially in the South. Hillary got out to an early lead there and hasn't lost it yet.

She's won more states, more PDs, and more votes than Bernie. His early campaign was sluggish. There are a lot of reasons for that. Nobody took him seriously, the media ignored him as a crackpot, he was not focusing on PoC's and women's issues, an his ground game in those states wasn't strong enough.

Pity that. I wonder what the results would be if Bernie had come out of the gate stronger.

[libdem4life]

18. He was there, but no one knew it for around 6 months. Why, you ask?

The corporate media doesn't want to lose their cushy jobs in the rigged system they heard him speak of. They depend on it.

[apnu]

19. I didn't ask that. And said as much in my post. (nt)

[libdem4life]

23. Indeed you did. I apologize.

[lostnfound]

59. The same media tthat played Trump ad nauseum

Go figure. For some inexplicable reason they found the most obnoxious unlikable showman and played him 24-7, until our easily-led countrymen were under his spell.

Thus making it a choice between "corrupt and unlikable" or "horrifying".

[bvar22]

66. DWS also helped Hillary and The Donald by not scheduling some early debates,

effectively hiding Bernie from the public, and giving all that free National Media to Trump and the Republicans.

DWS may be the single person most responsible for President Trump.

[libdem4life]

68. I agree. I can't believe anyone on this discussion board did not know that.

That was discussed in thread after thread. Oh well, thanks for the support.

[oberliner]

80. I think not having early debates actually helped Bernie

He was able to get his message across repeatedly through rallies and other events where he was able to repeat his talking points, unfiltered and unchallenged, much to the delight of the crowds who supported him.

Generally speaking, I think Hillary was stronger than Bernie in the debates. Bernie was at his best in other forums.

[bvar22]

82. I disagree,

and so do most of the people who watched the debates.
A properly scheduled National Debate is worth Millions in FREE National Exposure to MILLIONS of of voters.
While the rallies were good, what was the max exposure?..20K?...
and THAT was mostly hidden by the Media. Name Recognition was BIG in the early Primaries.

I would have preferred about 3 debates BEFORE the Iowa Caucus.
It that had happened, it would be Hillary playing catch up now.

Hillary surrogate DWS really gave Hillary a helping hand by not scheduling debates, and may be the single most responsible person for President Trump.

....ALL that FREE National Exposure for Trump just to keep Bernie hidden from most Americans.

[oberliner]

83. You might be right

Maybe more debates would've been good for Bernie. I actually think things played out well for him in terms of being able to rally people to his message. His campaign did a good job of using social media and other methods of getting his message across.

I would point out that by the time of Super Tuesday there had been six debates and Hillary did very well on that day. There were another three in the lead-up to the NY and other east coast primaries and Hillary also did very well there.

[oberliner]

81. He decided not to contest the early southern states

That's why he lost. Bad decision on the part of his campaign. Hillary racked up huge wins in those states and Bernie couldn't make it up. If he had made more of a play in the south east, it would be a much closer contest today.

[JoePhilly]

20. Bernie's path has been discovered!!!

[NCTraveler]

49. +1

You are being kind. His path isn't that clear.

[riversedge]

73. umm.. any unicorns hiding in the bushes??

[coffeeAM]

24. I believe she was reffering to the super delegates getting scared when they see how weak she has

been the second half of the primary season. You know, fading into oblivion after the South!

[CentralMass]

25. The numbers.

At this point 3,149 standard delegates have been awarded

Hillary has 1,716 and Bernie has 1,433. So Hillary enjoys a 283 delegate lead at this point.

While the reported super delegate count committed so far is Hillary 524 to Bernie's 40. Bernie's 40 out of 564 superd's is 7% of the 564 while Hillary's 524 is 93% of the 564 who have committed to date. Clearly a sham, and the superd's don't officially commit and get tallied until the convention and can and most likely will change.

Bernie is 283 delegates behind and can tie or surpass Hillary in standard pledged delegates before the convention and before she can secure enough standard delegates to win the nomination.

[etherealtruth]

26. The winner of the popular vote should win the nomination

The "supers" should respect and follow the popular vote

[CentralMass]

36. At the very least the supers should vote proportionately the same way their state voted

Of the the 564 superd's that have committed so far 7% have committed for Bernie and 93% have committed for Hillary.

[KPN]

38. Popular vote? What popular vote?

One, it's been suppressed and subverted in many ways -- hardly popular.
Two, caucuses don't involve popular vote.

[etherealtruth]

41. I abhor the caucus process as it disenfranchises 80%+ of voters

Voter suppression is also a significant problem that plagues our system. it needs to be fixed.


The candidate receiving the largest proportion f the popular vote should win the nomination.

[BillZBubb]

48. Wrong. The caucus states must be represented.

You want to disenfranchise them because their states chose to caucus?

Popular vote alone isn't a fair method.

[etherealtruth]

55. what....? i would prefer they had a primary vote allowing more people to participate

What is done is done in this cycle .... their vote should count. I am looking forward.

I would like to see caucuses done away with and replaced with a popular primary vote. Let everyone have a chance to participate and make it count.

I also want to see us aggressively pursue fair elections ... as has historically been the problem, voters in poor and minority areas have been plagued by voting irregularities and voting difficulties

[BillZBubb]

57. On that we agree. No more caucases. Maybe we agree on no superdelegates?

[etherealtruth]

60. i don't want super delegates either

Since they exist ... my feeling is that they should vote with the voters. Their votes should mirror the popular vote (which essentially negates any role they might play)

[coffeeAM]

63. The Clintonites were not moaning when she won Vegas, but when she got wiped out in all the other

caucuses, the narrative changed.

[etherealtruth]

67. I don't care who 'moans' ... the caucus process does not allow

... participation of the voters. is it your contention that caucuses are inclusive ?

I want a system where participation is encouraged and accessible to all .... the caucus process is extremely limiting and excludes 80+ % of voters.

I don't care who moans or who won a caucus .... it is an exceptionally unfair and exclusive practice and should be replaced .

I do not support any process that stifles or discourages the vote .... that includes voter suppression and irregularities that have largely plagued poor and/ or minority areas.

[quaker bill]

86. If everyone voted in primaries

mixing vote totals from inherently low turn out caucus states with higher turn out primaries is bogus math.

[KPN]

88. As is mixing totals from open vs closed primaries (which actually would work against

my preferred candidate -- Bernie) and States that are historically and predominantly blue vs States that are red (w/ work against Hillary).

Strikes me that the solution for Presidential primaries is all States do it the same.

[coffeeAM]

96. Based on what?

[quaker bill]

100. really simple

If everyone votes in the same standard method, with the same access to the polls, then the total popular vote would mean something. As long as the processes are different, like auto-registration/vote by mail, contrasted with a three step caucus, requiring travel and repeated attendance for hours, then cobbling the "vote totals" together and calling it a valid result will always be a problem.

It is called method error. You do not combine data collected by radically different methods in that manner. In a meta sense one could perhaps combine the weighted percentage outcomes with a big caveat for limited reliability, but you cannot combine the raw #s for a vote total. It just is not statistically valid.

[Progressive dog]

27. Actually, Bernie wins caucuses and states with fewer people

which is why he is way behind in pledged delegates. He needs to beat Hillary by an average of nearly 2:1 in the remaining states to tie her in delegates.

[NewImproved Deal]

30. But--but--but....

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[oberliner]

37. Be aware that the statement in this OP is not true

Last 25 voting states

13 won by Sanders: WV, IN, RI, WY, WI, WA, HI, AK, UT, ID, MI, ME, NE

12 won by Clinton: PA, MD, DE, CT, NY, AZ, OH, NC, MO, IL, FL, MS

And two of the states won by Clinton (NY and FL) had more voters than all thirteen of the states won by Sanders combined.

[CentralMass]

40. The bottom line is that there are only 283 pledged delegates separating them at this point.

With 1,716 pledged delegates Hillary does not have enough to secure the nomination.

Bernie still can either tie or surpass Hillary in pledged delegates before the convention.

[SFnomad]

42. So, it doesn't matter that the OP is a lie ... you're still going to live in your fantasy world n/t

[CentralMass]

45. The actual numbers are real. I live in the real world.

Hillary has not secured the nomination. Based on the trends, she will have not have secured the nomination before the convention.. it is also not impossible that Bernie will tie or surpass Hillary in pledged (standard delegates) by the convention.

[coffeeAM]

47. This was a statement made on cnn at approx. 1:30 if you have a problem with the numbers, contact cnn

[oberliner]

53. Don't believe everything you hear on CNN

Takes only a little bit of time to look up the correct information. That's one of the best things about the digital age.

[SFnomad]

64. You people are funny, somebody said it, so it MUST be true ... doesn't matter what the facts are n/t

[coffeeAM]

70. Seems like this is really irriatating you..maybe you should contact cnn.

[onenote]

79. Maybe the problem isn't CNN, its the Bernie supporter lying on CNN

[Henhouse]

43. K&R

[coffeeAM]

46. This was a statement made on cnn at approx. 1:30 if you have a problem with the numbers, contact cnn

[tritsofme]

50. Or you know...folks can point out the truth here too. Should be welcome for you, right?

[uponit7771]

93. +1

[ViseGrip]

39. The childish talk from Hillary supporters here on a path....just what will they do?

grief therapy? berners are used to the abuse. we'll fare much better, but me think we're going to see real soon how the hillary people handle death....of a campaign. their own.

[NCTraveler]

51. I remember when we shit on the corporate media for lying about Democrats.

Here it is being outright cheered.

[dchill]

54. K&R

[stevenleser]

62. Well you got one part right at least. Nomi is pretty awesome.

I'm happy to count her among my friends.

[coffeeAM]

65. Indeed, Thank the heavens she dropped Clinton like a bad habbit and Joined the Left!

[stevenleser]

71. Nope, that's not what makes her great. nt

[riversedge]

72. ha ha ha

[Beacool]

75. Delusional.........

Hillary will be the nominee, the rest is white noise.

The super delegates will NOT switch to the losing candidate. Let alone a candidate who they don't support in the first place.

Give the nomination to the loser of the primaries and really see a revolution take place within the Democratic party. Did any of you think that millions of Hillary supporters would agree with this????

Sheer lunacy.......

[GreatGazoo]

76. Momentum

[onenote]

78. A Bernie supporter goes on CNN and lies and Bernie supporters here repeat the lie

Interesting.

[cui bono]

84. k n r

[jillan]

85. I don't think this is right, I wish it was. 19 is the total of states Bernie won (+Dems Abroad)

24 is how many states Hillary won.

[quaker bill]

87. right, I get 14 to 14 since march n/t

[oberliner]

89. Two of the states Hillary won had more voters than all 14 of Bernie's combined

Among the 14 that Bernie won are Alaska, Hawaii, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Maine, and Kansas. All the voters in all of those eight states added together do not add up to half the number of people who voted in Florida, which Hillary won handily.

[quaker bill]

94. sorry, you really can't compare a caucus to a primary that way.

two different models with two completely different turnouts. That said, one can win the popular vote and still lose the Presidency.

I live in FL and am unimpressed. Trump won here by pretty big margins too.

[coffeeAM]

97. Ya we know all about lorida and what went on there!

[ViseGrip]

90. More trouble brewing for Hillary, as they get to the 'foundation' transactions.

One hundred million to mideast leaders? How can she represent anyone in this country?




SHE CAN'T. SIMPLY.

[coffeeAM]

95. That is gonna ve a humb dinger and drag the party through the mud yet again!

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. And they were starting to talk foundation this morning

[coffeeAM]

99. Yup, heard that.