WV looks good for Sanders

[bkkyosemite]

http://usa2016elections.com/west-virginia-no-longer-clinton-country/

[Hoyt]

1. 95% white?

[Cali_Democrat]

2. They supported Hillary over Obama in 2008

Hmmm.....I wonder why....

[Hoyt]

6. Well Sanders' America First, Nationalism has attracted them this year, just like Trump.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Very true. nt

[thebeautifulstruggle]

26. you are seriously comparing Bernie with Trump's brand of nationalism

that is akin to the likes of Hitler?

[Hoyt]

29. They both seem to view poor foreign labor as scabs. Trump would nuke them, but there is

plenty of disdain to go around between those two. And, you can't deny that Sanders is pushing the hatred/fear; again, maybe not as much as Trump.

[bkkyosemite]

39. Bull shit

[redstateblues]

104. Bernie is an anger merchant, make no mistake

It has an ugly side

[thebeautifulstruggle]

41. No, they both see that US corporations send jobs overseas purely for more profit

Trump though is part of it, and I don't believe for a second he'll try do anything about it

do you like US citizens losing jobs because companies want to pay pennies to the dollar for labor?

what "hatred" and "fear" do you speak of....towards the elite class that Clinton represents?

[Hoyt]

45. I do not like US people losing jobs, but I don't like denying jobs

to people in other countries either. There are tens of millions of jobs that have not been displaced. Sorry, we might live in America, but we are just a small part of the world. And, an improving their world will help us all.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

53. im all for charity

but that isn't the intention of what corporations are doing here....that's a sorry excuse for the establishments position on globalization.

[Hoyt]

54. Fact is, most folks would let foreign poor starve, and some feel like that because

they view them as scabs/competition . Profits or not, corporations - and many of them are not US based corporations - offer a future, even if not to our standards at first. The only thing we gave Vietnam before is fire bombs. Pretty much same for Latin Americans.

[Urchin]

97. How do you know you'd be improving their world?

You think giving those people a technological civilization like ours is doing them a favor?

[Hoyt]

114. Well, folks line up for the jobs, otherwise they'd continue living off the land. You do have

a point though. I'd be glad to go back to my grandad's 1950's small farm, outhouse and all. Most folks here wouldn't be happy with that.

[Urchin]

119. Jared Diamond

"Civilized" man nearly destroyed himself and the world in the Cuban Missle Crisis (which catastrophe we now realize we avoided by pure luck, though for a few decades afterward, we thought we avoided it by clever use of carefully calculated escalating threats during the crisis).

Now, so many decades later, the threat of nuclear annihilation still hangs over us, with an increasing threat of nuclear terrorism added to nuclear war.

We have global climate change.

We have superbugs which our use of antibiotics have created.

We are on the threshold of replacing at least 40% of workers with technology, with nothing for those replaced people to do but to become wards of the state, with no hope of ever bettering themselves, no matter how hard they are willing to work or how fast they are willing to work or how much knowledge they acquire through how many years of study.

And not many years later, many of the remaining workers will be replaced with no new jobs to employ them (unless the government invents some kind of make work--maybe we could pay people to build pyramids again or dig ditches then fill the ditches up again).

The factory farm food we eat slowly poisons us, those of us who still have jobs, are increasingly driven to work like slaves to keep those jobs (average hunter gatherer worked 4 hours a day, and almost certainly had fun doing it--until the world became too overpopulated).

We are, thanks to technology, in a world where NONE OF US can be certain to have a livelihood tomorrow. So whatever money we make now, each of us should be saving every penny.

We have poisoned the water, earth and air. We have poisoned the ocean.

Each new generation of technology is invented mostly to cure the problems caused by the previous generations of technology.

And each new generation of technology requires exponentially more effort to develop, until there will come a time when it will do more damage or cost more money to create a new technology, than the damage and costs from the problem you want that new technology to cure.

If thanks to technology we destroy civilization--who would have proved smarter: industrial man or the handful of "primitive" rainforest hunter-gatherer still extant?

The rainforest dwellers would be better equipped to survive the self-destruction of civilization than would industrial man.

And if industrial man destroys all human life on earth or even all life on earth--on some other planet or planets there will likely be non-industrial lifeforms, who will continue to go about the business of surviving, reproducing, and evolving.

Over billions of years of life on earth, a species with our ability to industrialize is a complete anomaly.

Even cockroaches will likely outlast us.

[JPnoodleman]

49. Well your view depends on if you are a maid or hire a maid...

For people like Clinton, hiring that cheaper foreign labor can be written off as doing a global charity and now you get to feel good about yourself.

If you happen to work as a maid, yes you are a bit less enthusiastic about that plan. They get to have a race to the bottom, and probably loose their jobs.

But hey, you get cheap services AND you get to feel good and tell yourself you did a good thing. And that's what Liberalism has become, feeling morally superior while conveniently enriching yourself.

[Hoyt]

55. Is that your way of deciding people who came to this country for a better life.

[JPnoodleman]

56. Well the facts do remain, immigration is not sunshine and rainbows all the time.

We didn't exactly come up with a plan for employment for all that deindustrialized workers and the middle class and lower classes.

I mean great, the wealthy creative professionals in Silicon Valley have cheap maids, and can get a coffee for a pittance, and you know its sure helped uberize other parts of labor, but it has left a lot of people out of this new economic order.

Is it any wonder we write them off and they look for answers elsewhere. It isn't like you give a shit about them.

[Hoyt]

57. I've always felt many Sanders' supporters also view immigrants as scabs.

[JPnoodleman]

58. Clinton views them that way too....

Don't kid yourself. Even Sweden, you can find elite people benefiting from their Alleged Humanitarianism in that it inflates housing prices and keeps wages lower.

[Hoyt]

59. I think your view is that immigrants are after your job. That's kind of fear the Trumps depend on.

[JPnoodleman]

60. In a Capitalist Economy everyone is after my job,

Everyone and everything including my boss looking to replace me with a piece of software.

Don't kid yourself.

[Hoyt]

66. That's true and sad. On Bill Maher tonight, Ann Coulter agreed with you on immigrants.

[JPnoodleman]

67. A broken clock is right twice a day...

Ann Coulter also believes the sky is blue, that doesn't make it not blue for lefties.

If you increase the pool of labourers you decrease the relative value of workers, it keeps wages low. And since Hillary is against Welfare, Free Health Care or College and will never go for a Min. Income.

[Hoyt]

68. Fact is, she's like you -- poor immigrants or foreign labor are little more than

a threat to you job and fodder for taking out hatred on. I hope you change.

[JPnoodleman]

69. Hatred? Is Hillary running for US president or Earth Empress?

The fact is increased labour devalues labour relatively in a capitalist economy. That is just a fact.

I dare you to point out "Hatred." there.

[Hoyt]

70. Poor folks are simply scabs in your view.

[JPnoodleman]

72. Wow, way to switch the goal post?

So wanting to help the poor folks in our country now equals HATING someone?

What are you trying to accuse me of?

[Hoyt]

73. Poor folks who are immigrants or in foreign countries. Do I have to spell

everything out to you in detali? Get some sleep and try to think how you'd feel if you were a poor person from Mexico who came here for a better life at great risk or a Vietnamese who remembers the USA for their fire bombs.

[JPnoodleman]

74. Hillary is running for President of the United States,

I would hope her first concern is the American public.

Also the Vietnamese? Right Fire Bombed by Kissingers directives, that Kissinger whom is Hillary's good friend.

Or Mexico, ruined by NAFTA which her wretch of a Husband who did it.

[Urchin]

100. We can get around

to fixing the rest of thew world after we fix ourselves, and we are a long way from that.

[Hoyt]

115. Fact is, 80+% of people here are world's 1%ers. I think we are fixed relative to poor ountries.

[Urchin]

118. What do we have a country for?

Our country is an organization to first and foremost promote the welfare of its own citizens.

Otherwise, why bother having a country?

[Urchin]

120. We cannot even feed ourselves

Americans can only afford the very unhealthy food produced by industrial factory farms.

And while the slow poison that is sugar (includes corn syrup, refined sugar, cane sugar, fruit juices, and more too numerous to list), wouldn't be hard to remove from processed foods, removal of wheat and related grains, potatoes (including sweet potatoes and yams), meat raised on unnatural diets, including most or all farmed fish, beef, poultry and other disease causing "foods" would leave most Americans hard-pressed to afford the remaining healthy foods.

I make a good living, but buying a porterhouse steak from a grass fed AND finished animal is a minor hardship. The tree nuts I eat are also too expensive for most Americans.

Americans can only afford to eat, because they are eating cheap to produce foods that are slowly killing them.

[Hoyt]

121. Yet, life expectancy continues to climb. You are right though, neither Americans or anyone else

can afford to pay the prices we'd pay if we got all our farm products from small organic farmers. There'd be a lot of shortages too.

If people would pay for organically grown products, we'd have them -- instead you have a little section of the store with organic products at high prices.

[k8conant]

11. Yes, WV did, but this West Virginian

voted for Obama in 2008 and will vote for Sanders in 2016

[Cali_Democrat]

19. Why were West Virginians so turned off by Obama?

So turned off that they embraced Hillary in overwhelming numbers in 2008 even though they're clearly not that into her.

Hmmm......

[k8conant]

22. I don't know; I always saw through Clinton and was happy with Obama

but there're a lot of right-wing racists in WV (not as many in the Eastern Panhandle where I live).

[floppyboo]

44. They loved Bill. That's why. And they ain't going to vote for either Sanders or Hillary in the GE

Although Sanders is doing better than Hillary against Trump, they both can just forget about it. Trump/Hillary +27, Trump/Sanders +21. draw your own conclusions why the repuppies do so well there, but the dems are feeling the Bern!!!

[dlwickham]

95. he's black

and the reason she's losing this time around is because she is seen as Obama's successor and will continue his policies especially in clean energy areas

[thebeautifulstruggle]

17. so let's pretend all white WV Dems are racists

but now that race isn't an issue, i'm guessing they are now sexist too?

[k8conant]

23. No , we're not.

[dsc]

30. race is likely still an issue

she has embraced Obama and they still loathe him. Obama only got 70 percent in the primary in 2012 against a person who was campaigning from a jail cell.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

38. i see

so it's completely unlikely at all that more voters like Sanders policy positions, and it's about Dem racists that don't like Clinton bear hugging Obama this time around?

[dsc]

42. well when over 1 in 5 literally vote for a convicted felon

who spent no money and didn't campaign at all against a sitting President who just happens to be black it is a bit hard to escape that conclusion.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

92. and what does this have to do with the 2 white candidates?

oh i forgot, because she's pretending she's Obama 2 this time

that's how racist Dems are WV

[dsc]

94. she openly embraced Obama

and that helped her where Obama is popular and hurt her where he isn't. He isn't popular in WV, that much I think even you would agree with. I think that a big part of the why he isn't popular there is because of his race. If I were running a race in WV, the very last person I would embrace is Obama.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

117. that may be true for Obama himself

but I don't buy that with Clinton

we'll have to agree to disagree

[JPnoodleman]

50. Bernie is a Jew with a thick accent...

If your claiming all of those voters are in the Klan, why would they vote for Jewish guy?

[dsc]

51. do they know he is Jewish?

I am sure some do, but probably many don't. Also being anti black doesn't make one anti Jew any more than being pro black would necessarily make one pro Jew. The simple face is that Obama lost a fifth of the vote in the primary to a felon in prison in 2012, that speaks volumes and it ain't pretty. Sure some of his support is really support for him. But frankly some of this support is outright, irrational hatred of Obama.

[JPnoodleman]

52. If they have heard him speak? They could take a wild guess...

Being racist is being racist, if you believe they hate black people so much that they hate someone for having a black friend I cannot see that sort of person supporting a Jewish person.

[NewImproved Deal]

78. Typical.

Race-baiting against working-class Whites is not only acceptable in the Klinton Kamp, but fashionable...

[PotatoChip]

18. So what is it you are trying to say?

That WV will only vote for white people because they are a predominately white state?

Is that what you mean? It sure sounds that way.

[reddread]

25. it is all they know

that and projecting

[dsc]

43. Over 1 in 5 voted for a jailed felon

over Obama in the 2012 primary.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

24. meaning more liberal

Pew Research Study 2016

Self-Described

Whites: 50% Liberal, 36% Moderate, 12% Conservative

Blacks: 42% Moderate, 29% Conservative, 27% Liberal

Hispanics: 39% Moderate, 35% Liberal, 24% Conservative

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/09/democratic-voters-increasingly-embrace-liberal-label/


The good thing is, both AA's and Latino's are increasingly moving towards the left

but what was your point?

[Lizzie Poppet]

35. *crickets*

Well done...

[Recursion]

61. That it doesn't take rocket science to see Sanders's main problem with the African American vote?

We don't need a conspiracy theory to explain why the most liberal candidate has trouble with the least liberal bloc of the party.

Now, many campaigns would see that and try to do something to gain those votes, rather than blaming them for holding the opinions they do...

We aren't just the party of white liberals, and the fact that Sanders didn't seem to grasp that should be the first line of the campaign post-mortem.

[thebeautifulstruggle]

93. many candidates would

because many candidates pander to differ groups in order to get votes

i prefer mine just tell it like it is regardless of the group

[Urchin]

96. And the point is what?

What are you implying?

[Logical]

111. LOL, you are really silly. nt

[passiveporcupine]

113. Yeah, we know. Whites don't count any more.

Only minorities and colored do. It's a new world...it's a new kid of racism.

[Kokonoe]

3. Must be that damned internet thing again.

Gotta get that fixed before the reelection.

[onehandle]

4. Will he net 3.5 million votes there? nt

[Cal33]

32. They only have a population of 1.8 million. Guam has even less - about 160,000.

[DCBob]

5. Latest WV poll has it very close.. Bernie up 47-43

In the Democratic presidential race, 47 percent of likely Democratic voters backed Sanders, 43 percent said they supported Hillary Clinton, former U.S. Secretary of State, and 11 percent were not sure.

Sanders’ strength is among people between the ages of 18 and 34.

“The key, of course, for Sanders is a high turnout with young voters, while Clinton’s support is generally older, those with a college degree or post-graduate degree and upper income Democrats,” Repass said.

The poll numbers included registered party members along with unaffiliated voters most likely to choose a particular party’s ballot. The sample size was 315 for Democrats and 228 for Republicans, Repass Research officials said, with an overall statistical error size of +/-4.0 percentage points.

http://wvmetronews.com/2016/05/06/overwhelming-support-for-trump-lead-for-sanders-in-metronews-west-virginia-poll/

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Not nearly good enough to change anything. He gains a couple delegates maybe.

[MineralMan]

7. Only 29 pledged delegates up for grabs there.

Very little opportunity for Bernie to gain on Hillary's pledged delegate lead. They'll both get delegates from WV. But there aren't many to go around, so it won't have much effect.

He might gain about 5 delegates from that election. No help.

[firebrand80]

8. She's got too much Black on her nt

[rhett o rick]

10. BLM doesn't agree with you.

Here are some important points made by Black Lives Matter Activist Ashley Williams:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

[Demsrule86]

15. I seriously am sick of the self serving stuff which is a lie Clinton was not in Congress.

She was not in office in 94 and St Bernie voted for the crime bill. He voted for it...first ladies don't vote.

April 21, 1994, HR 4092 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 Bill Passed - House
(285 - 141) Yea Bernie's vote. He voted Yea...So I guess Bernie is just another pol voting for his self-interest.

IN fact, Sander is the only presidential candidate who did vote for it...neither Clinton nor O'Malley voted for it. So who is to blame partially...he also had defended it this year...

[TCJ70]

37. She did push for it, though...

...which does matter. I think it's wrong to hold it as a negative for Sanders if comparing the two on it because, like you said, she couldn't vote on it.

Yes, he voted for the bill...but if you stop there it sounds horrible. You have to listen to what he was saying about it, at the time (not 20 years later like Hillary) and how he wouldn't vote for it if it wasn't wrapped up with gun regulations and the Violence Against Women Act. Let me ask you: Should he have voted against women?

[rhett o rick]

63. With Regard to the Crime Bill, Sen Sanders tried numerous times to get the parts of the bill removed

Last edited Sat May 7, 2016, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)

that pertained to the harsh sentencing that was supported by the Clintons. You can see him on youtube arguing against.

The House version of the Crime Bill included a ban on semi-automatic assault weapons. Sanders had supported the ban since 1988. The conference committee version included not only the assault weapons ban but also the Violence Against Women Act provisions. Sanders supported these efforts to protect women. Shame on that try to smear him.

As far as Hillary Clinton let's review what Black Lives Matters has to say about her:

"Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

The policies that she pushed filled the Prisons For Profits that in turn were very generous to her. Did she personally profit from these "tough" policies? Do her followers believe toughness is more important than empathy?

[redstateblues]

105. He voted for it

[rhett o rick]

116. Really, that's all you've got? Well Clinton voted for the Iraq War. nm

[appalachiablue]

82. Martin O'Malley didn't vote for it because he was a City Councilman for Balto.,

(1991-1999), Balto. Mayor, Gov. of MD and never in the US Congress or Senate.

[appalachiablue]

62. Ashley Williams is a brave and very effective young advocate.

[rhett o rick]

64. And she can see through the deception of Hillary Clinton. nm

[appalachiablue]

112. Yes, Ashley is just great. Saw her in a Democracy Now! interview too- prepared,

logical, steady and fearless. An accomplished activist leader who will go far.

[Demsrule86]

12. No doubt

very white state.

[appalachiablue]

106. The state who voted for these two, the first Catholic to hold the office

of US President and a wealthy New Yorker elected President four times. It was the 1960 WV Primary that got JFK the Democratic Party nomination for which he was always grateful. FDR was revered there for decades, generations and for good reason.

[spinbaby]

13. West Virginia is coal

And the coal miners are not going to forget or forgive Hillary her statement about putting them out of work.

[Demsrule86]

16. Right because we all love coal mining so much here a DU

Coal mining is history...more expensive to mine than the coal is worth. And it is an ecological nightmare...Trying to provide better jobs in WVA is the way to go which Clinton is suggesting. Sanders is merely pandering as usual.

[floppyboo]

46. What??? Did Bernie tell them all their coal mining jobs are safe??? What pandering???

Please provide a link. This is HUGE news to me! Such accusations if true could really break the Bernie meme of honest. Or are you just pulling shit out of sky?

[Adrahil]

21. Bernie will put them out of work too.

And BOTH support education and job-retraining to get them into new jobs. What a BS argument.

[XemaSab]

28. She misspoke!

What she meant to say was "a lot of coal miners are going to be out of work IF THINGS CONTINUE THE WAY THEY'RE GOING."

You know, if we keep moving away from fossil fuels, like we have under the Obama administration.

It's Obama you should be angry at, not Hillary.

Hillary loves coal and Hillary loves coal miners.

It was a simple slip of the tongue.

You have to understand this!

Well, at least 51% of you have to understand this!

And at least 51% of Californians a week later have to understand that she misspoke when she clarified her misspeaking.

Can't a girl get a break?

[Ed Suspicious]

103. She's a serial misspeaker.

[sweetloukillbot]

36. Amd Bernie is certainly a big proponent of coal mining...

/sarcasm

[Zynx]

14. Yeah, but it only has 29 delegates.

It's a small prize.

[Adrahil]

20. But not good enough...

He needs to be winning races by 30 points, not 7 or 8. He gets further from the nomination every state.

[Plucketeer]

27. What's that you say?

"La-La-La-La-La - I can't HEAR YOU!"

[Adrahil]

34. Heh! That's pretty funny.

But strangely appropriate.

[nolawarlock]

31. Does it look 65% good?

Anything else is a failure.

[silvershadow]

33. Good to hear! nt

[bkkyosemite]

40. You Hillary supporters sound so angry and out for blood...that Bernie is winning a state but he is.

Don't talk about race. This is a state and he has won plenty of them!
And he will win more.

[JoePhilly]

47. I drove through WV once.

Once!

[k8conant]

48. Sorry you only got to see Wild, Wonderful West Virginia just once

it's beautiful here on the Blue Ridge next to the Shenandoah!

[Waiting For Everyman]

79. It sure is, John Denver was right.

Hello from a latter-day Morgan, next door near the border in Maryland.

I'll be pulling for you guys to crush Hillary next Tuesday!

I'm disappointed that we couldn't do the same, but I got such a feeling of well-being from voting for Bernie anyway unlike any vote in my lifetime, and I hope you find it so too!

[appalachiablue]

83. Great version with beautiful scenery. I was thinking of the song recently,

glad you posted it. Born in Logan, raised in Huntington and lived in Morning Morgantown briefly. Long ties to the state which was my rock, a prime foundation in life like family. How I wish a person(s) like Bernie could help WV and Appalachia like he did rural Vermont over years, a tall order but larger things have happened and time is moving fast. The same for our once great, now deindustrialized cities across the US in serious decline and needing major renewal.

[k8conant]

85. I grew up in Michigan but I've been in WV for 33 years now

[appalachiablue]

86. Good for you, so you know the state well. I like the eastern part,

what little I've seen, Harper's Ferry, Shepherdstown, Martinsburg and a bit of Greenbrier Co. When young we visited relatives in Detroit, great US city.

[k8conant]

87. I lived in Dearborn and Detroit and went to college in Alma

[appalachiablue]

88. Mom made sure we saw Henry Ford Village in Dearborn when little,

and I attended a conference there in the 90s. Special place.

[k8conant]

90. Yes, I lived about a mile from there and my neighbor worked there

and my oldest brother worked there in the summer during college in the 1960s.

[appalachiablue]

91. That's cool, love history and culture. Worked at the Smithsonian, National Archives.

How did you get to WV if you don't mind the question?

[k8conant]

98. I was working for IRS and got a computer job in DC...

and figured WV was the closest place I could afford to live. Besides, I'd been to Harpers Ferry when I was 7 and liked it.

[appalachiablue]

102. Sounds good, smart move to eastern WV. Are you following the Gov. race there?

I like what I've seen of Kessler who also supports Bernie but he's up against estab. and big money Dems. and then there's Cole.

[k8conant]

108. I'm for Jeff Kessler.

Jim Justice is DINO (ex-Republican big business).
Booth Goodwin is so-so establishment dem.

[k8conant]

84. Thanks.

[litlbilly]

71. 69 replys and only see 6. Hill shills must be out in force and angrier than ever.

[Nyan]

80. It's now 79 replies and I only see 9.

[SFnomad]

99. So that means you like to live in your own #BernieBubble ... not something to be proud of

(If I'm not in the poster's ignore list, I bet I make it there quickly)

[redstateblues]

107. It's so odd to put one's fingers in ones ears and say

"La la la I can't hear you" Whats up with that? I like to know what people think even if I don't agree with them. No ignores here.

[SFnomad]

109. Totally agree you n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

75. West Virginians aren't buying the Clinton etch-a-sketch.

I have to commend them for catching on to the sell-out schtick a lot quicker than many others.

The town of Logan even told them both they weren't welcome, to please leave. I've never heard of that before.

That was a very good article you linked, thanks.

[silvershadow]

101. Thats an accurate metaphor. I'd like to use it please.

[MFM008]

77. West Virgina

[Nyan]

81. It's a good news, but that article is annoying as fuck.

The news is that Bernie's leading, but all they talk about is Clinton and what she did wrong. How about "Bernie's message resonating in WV"? It's really not about her. The election's supposed to be about the people.

[Sheepshank]

89. 2400 + reaching, lying, poorly sourced, misdirected, and made up posts

My, you have been a busy little beaver.

[redstateblues]

110. Like Sanders supporters said on Super Tuesday

Red states don't count.