2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHRC Campaign Surrogates Spreading the Word: Bernie, Don't Drop Out
This is the new (and very transparent) strategy to try to woo Bernie supporters for the general, in case HRC were to get the nomination.
They have decided among themselves that continuing to call for Bernie to drop would antagonize his supporters.
Fact is, if HRC were to get the nomination, she could never win the GE w/o Bernie voters.
So, these various entreaties and blurbs from team HRC that say it's fine for Bernie to stay in are all strategic.
Fact is, HRC will not get enough delegates to win the nomination. It will be a contested convention.
Bernie has a good chance of getting the nomination.
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AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)The calls have been loud and persistent for a long time - stopping the calls doesn't make that history disappear.
And it doesn't make having our legitimate issues with Clinton shouted down for month after month with false accusations of sexism any better either.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)racist, sexist, hellbound slut lusting for Berniebros - who are also racist and sexist - easily duped millennials, complacent pony-wanters and unicorn-riders and basement-dwellers asking for free stuff, negligeable entitled Northerners, f*cking retards.
I remember all of them. I will forgive none.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)am a Berniebro.
This is slander. This is bigotry. This is negating the voices of millions of people by lumping them in with a stereotype.
The Chinese are all bad drivers,Hispanics are lazy,berniebros are all 18-20 year old misogynistic frat boys etc...When none is true.
Not all Bernie supporters are assholes. Not all Hillary supporters are assholes.
I think the real difference is the age of the Assholes.
I think the Hillary Assholes are older than the majority of Bernie Assholes.
mooseprime
(474 posts)and using "bro" to denigrate anyone feels racist to me. i don't imagine calling anyone anything with that word in it on mass transit would end very happily.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)If he were to drop out, he would lose influence over his supporters and not be able to urge them successfully to support HRC.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)We didn't rally behind Sanders because he called for us.
Sanders came into the race because we called for him.
If another candidate with integrity, who wasn't a war hawk and a corporatist stepped up to the plate, that person would receive our support just as much.
The sexist stuff really gets under my skin, I bet if you polled Sanders supporters, every last one would back Elizabeth Warren, perhaps even more so than Sanders himself.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)We called for someone like him and he stepped up.
I was all for Warren before Bernie got in and it was obvious that Liz wouldn't.
I'm damned happy with Bernie!
polly7
(20,582 posts)That's exactly why, I believe, he decided to run when no-one else did.
vintx
(1,748 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)I just finished reading it, and I feel really good about his chances. He does have a path, despite what the media says, and his campaign explained it well.
I am feeling the Bern tonight! On to West Virginia!
Sam
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)What if Bernie had gotten as much media as Trump? If Trump wins, we'll blame media. 2000 it was the Supes who selected. 2016 it will have been the media who selected. If that happens.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)that is all I need. As far as the MSM ignoring them, that road runs both ways. I am totally ignoring them because their reporting is so biased. I wish everyone would do the same to send them a message.
Sam
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)this very morning and told them just that. I also tweeted it to them. If they don't want to cover my candidate then they are telling me they don't want my viewership. So be it.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)... and right now, a guy with no practical path to winning, other than overturning the results of the vote with superdelegates who have shown no hint of switching, is not news.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)when that same "news" media decides for itself to marginalize your candidate.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)Thanks for telling me.
Sam
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I think some here haven't got the memo, yet.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)have gone rogue.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)If they would have kept things about differences between them regarding issues in their overall campaign (and had not hired a sleaze merchant / hatchet man) like David Brock to spread disinformation, lies, insults, and general FUD from the start, party unity would be a complete no brainer, as it stands, they will largely have to rely on the dislike of Trump (second only nationally outside of the Democratic party to Clinton whose numbers and trust issues are groundbreakingly bad) to achieve what will likely largely rather than completely be a unified party in the end.
There are other things they've failed to consider, many of Bernie Sanders Supporters had been apathetic to politics or are new to the idea of being politically active, the former because of disillusionment with a rigged Washington establishment, and the latter, new younger voters and have largely joined as his supporters ONLY because of his known honesty and consistency and the belief that he would (not necessarily accomplish all his goals) but would fight like hell to accomplish them rather than flip fop once vin office. Many often also believe that he wold start any negotiations to get laws passed from a point representing the top point (or a little above realizing with compromise one must lower a bit) rather from the center point where compromise should end negotiating down from there as is usually the case with the Centrist branch of the party.
There are also those that will not be part of party unity because they are liberals that the party has grown to the right of in an extreme way, many that believe in a more FDR, Great Society, Civil Liberty and war against the poor variety that once were the Center of the party and have become Independents since the hard sharp right turn of the party reduced them to what is better described as a slightly more left Rockefeller Republican party. Those independents are not part of "party unity" as they are not part of the party and only came back because Sanders reminds them of the party the were/are loyal to that no longer exists in the form they were loyal to, They had hoped he and his political Revolution would restore the party to what it once was, the peoples party, rather than what it has become, the better of two corporate parties.
Then there are those like myself, that will take more than a new found civility on her campaigns part to get back in the Fold.
I (and I am far from alone) was the victim of election fraud and after 37 years as a faithful registered Democrat that voted straight D Ticket in every election (every two years and every in-between election locally) except for 2002 when I was in the hospital. Had my party affiliation changed from Democrat (as it always had been) to NPA just so I could not vote in my NYS primary!
Normally I would have assumed the fraud was a Republican thing, but no longer believe so and think it was a party thing as I have seen no reports (among the many thousands this happened to in more than one State) of any Clinton voters having had their party affiliation stripped from them.
I speak only for myself on this next bit, but since I am now an Independent (without my consent or even a polite notification of my new status), being an Independent, I take the hint from the party that kicked me out and will vote my conscious, whomever best represents it, rather than as usual until now, Straight Democratic ticket, from now on I will research and vote each separate slot on my ballot and vote my conscience,
it is safe to say I will nearly certainly be voting all Democratic down ticket as I already know my local options quit well, but I have not done due diligence yet regarding the Presidential slot and all the options that will be available to me in Nov. I will vote whichever one best suits my own goals and beliefs, it may or may not be Democrat, such will depend on the records and values of every individual on that portion of my ballot, rather than as usual, automatically Democratic out of party loyalty.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)Last edited Fri May 6, 2016, 04:43 AM - Edit history (1)
It won't be a contested convention. There are only two candidates. One will get more votes on the first ballot.
The only way Bernie has a chance is if he has more pledged delegates than Hillary. Already, Bernie's fundraising is down, and more and more Bernie supporters are coming to terms with reality.
djean111
(14,255 posts)She has a lot in common with them. Seriously happening. If she feels she can get enough GOP backing and votes - then we will be on her shit list again.
In any event - acerbic, nasty, sweet as fucking pie - a Third Way warmonger who laughs at the blood on her hands and pretty much said oopsie, my bad, choices are HARD, read my book - not a Democrat, is never going to get my vote.
It is the ISSUES.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)If Hillary supporters call for Bernie to stay in, it make them....mad?
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)We're just not buying it any more than any other Clinton lie. Children, can you spell ANOTHER flip-flop?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It's old, tiresome and makes me want to avoid places where that sort of energy gathers. Do I want to volunteer my time with mean people? No. Do I have confidence that such behaviors will serve the election of a Democrat? No I do not. To be blunt, your posts do not even strike me as being supportive of Hillary, sure you have that H logo but the content is mostly aimed at bashing Bernie supporters and Bernie with snark and sparkly emojis in place of reasoned language. I'd say your posts are exploitative of Hillary as a device you use to smear and insult others, and that the actual objective is just that, to smear and insult.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Seriously.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)friend nor my ally and your post lacks all content. Name calling is not discussion, which is the point I was making to your pal, and along you come with more name calling and unsupported insinuations. Got a complaint with me? Cite it. Don't play coy mendacity games while calling me 'Dude'.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Tarc
(10,472 posts)I realize you're still bitter about...well, most everything...but whatever point you're trying to make when you link that everytime you feel the need to respond to me is kind of irrelevant; I stand behind every one of those comments.
I have been on Team Clinton since 1992, and if you feel insulted by what I post about you and other Sanders demagogues, perhaps a little self-reflection is in order, as many others have posted exactly as I do towards you.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)she will get the support she needs. No matter how hard you guys try to prevent it.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Therefore there will be no contested convention.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Bernie Beats Trump. Bernie is not going anywhere, and that's likely the reason. There is a mountain of past shady dealings, and some new, highly verifiable, uh, missteps.
-none
(1,884 posts)Makes it easier to win by blind siding them.
Oh, and by all means pay attention to the general and ignore the still ongoing primary, pretty please?
emulatorloo
(44,071 posts)Are you wanting her to call for him to drop out?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)A contested convention is one where no one wins on the first ballot, and there is then a fight on the floor for the nomination.
Needing superdelegates to reach the number does not make it contested. As long as someone wins on the first ballot, which with only two contenders is a certainty, it is not contested.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)...And that is what the establishment Democrats really think of progressives. We are nothing more than voting cannon fodder that can be ignored after the GE. This is just more of the same.