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Alekei_Firebird

(320 posts)
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:25 PM Oct 2012

Not to be too partisan, but Sandy is killing Romney

First, there's the Christie "endorsement" of Obama.

Second, there's the nagging issue of FEMA which once again highlights either how wrong Romney is on everything or how he flip-flops on everything.

Third, Romney has the dilemma of either abstaining from campaigning and let Obama take the spotlight, or go on pseudo-campaigning mode and risk seeming like a political opportunist in a time of national crisis (yet again).

Fourth, Sandy has effectively frozen the presidential campaign when Obama was surging in the polls, leaving Romney with no opportunity to make a last-ditch pitch to voters.

Romney's only chance was to hope that Obama royally screwed up the handling of the storm, but so far, it looks like Obama is in full crisis manager mode.

Romney must feel like dead man walking right now.

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Not to be too partisan, but Sandy is killing Romney (Original Post) Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 OP
It's over for Romney equalrights4all Oct 2012 #1
Yeah. He's lost. Not even a question at this point. Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #15
You're trying a little too hard Floyd_Gondolli Oct 2012 #18
+1 young but wise Oct 2012 #27
You're Speaking To The Dead Or At Least The Metaphysically Dead DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #37
Repigs are actually glad that they have an excuse to parrot after they lose. It was Sandy! Well, thereismore Oct 2012 #2
If Obama was surging, it will only continue going up kansasobama Oct 2012 #3
Up Next... gcomeau Oct 2012 #4
Mystery of the universe Zambero Oct 2012 #7
And yet he is so incompetent! treestar Oct 2012 #30
Not really. We are ALL doing something about the weather-- eridani Oct 2012 #54
Rush also said at the top of his program... ssaphyre Oct 2012 #10
Nationwide maybe, but not in Batllegrounds where it ACTUALLY counts. 270 baby. democrat_patriot Oct 2012 #13
Gallup. Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #14
Drudge SLCLiberal Oct 2012 #24
Yep, he's kind of screwed . . . fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #5
Sandy in effect ended the campaign Cosmocat Oct 2012 #33
Ann is likely trying to calm mitt down as we speak bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #6
Yeah but whos going to calm Ann down. moobu2 Oct 2012 #11
Romney stuck his foot in it but badmouthing FEMA awhile ago. Jennicut Oct 2012 #8
There are some functions that even the most Jesus-crazed TEA bagger in Tennessee knows ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #26
I can assure you, being surrounded by Teabaggers in TN, reflection Oct 2012 #41
Can't reason with racists Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #44
You nailed it, my friend. n/t reflection Oct 2012 #45
If this is true, I'm brewing up the Victory Mead now. a geek named Bob Oct 2012 #9
If we still had the secret moderater hot tub on DU3-- eridani Oct 2012 #56
If it helps... a geek named Bob Oct 2012 #58
You'll have to ask the MIRT team-- eridani Nov 2012 #59
If Romney was a decent man vankuria Oct 2012 #12
I disagree. If he does do those things it will not be genuine. He will be doing totodeinhere Oct 2012 #28
I said if he was a decent man vankuria Oct 2012 #31
When has Romney ever been genuine? BlueDemKev Oct 2012 #38
not even raising money. Raising canned food to deliver to the Red Cross. magical thyme Oct 2012 #47
Romney's people already floated this LTR Oct 2012 #35
The biggest PLUS in all this is that Obama looks and acts presidential and Mitt CTyankee Oct 2012 #16
Not to be the skunk at the lawn party nichomachus Oct 2012 #17
If NY or NJ suddenly went red, there'd be a huge outcry Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #19
There would be, but nichomachus Oct 2012 #21
They can't get away with stealing NY or NJ. calico1 Oct 2012 #20
I'm aware of how NE deals with storms nichomachus Oct 2012 #22
this is why it's so maddening that the media CitizenPatriot Oct 2012 #42
NJ is polling anywhere from 10 to 14 points for Obama. NY is polling around 25 points for Obama. Jennicut Oct 2012 #29
If you separate nichomachus Oct 2012 #48
I looked up a map of NY from the election in '08. Jennicut Oct 2012 #51
I'm not so sure about that. Why do you think that the Republicans are trying to suppress the vote? totodeinhere Oct 2012 #23
People need subways and transit to go to work fugop Oct 2012 #25
Oh and how much you wanna bet CitizenPatriot Oct 2012 #43
I agree and PsychProfessor Oct 2012 #32
"Killing" is a scary word. I wonder if someone will flag this post. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #34
The other thing is that it is sucking all of the oxygen out of every other issue like the so called grantcart Oct 2012 #36
You nailed it! PsychProfessor Oct 2012 #39
What's Libby-gate? Sugarcoated Oct 2012 #46
"Libyuh", "Bengahzee", call it whatever you want Alekei_Firebird Oct 2012 #49
Sandy should help in Florida TexasCPA Oct 2012 #40
You forgot: Romney is flailing around with "Hurricane Relief Rallies" yellowcanine Oct 2012 #50
I'll bet he called up CEOs of agribusiness ilk and told them he could get rid of all outdated libdem4life Oct 2012 #52
And nothing that Romney's doing or saying now is helping him one little bit... Rhiannon12866 Oct 2012 #53
Naw, Romney is killing Romney UCmeNdc Oct 2012 #55
It's not over yet, and in like 2 days NCLefty Oct 2012 #57
500 Million Trees JacobsMark Nov 2012 #60
While I hate the fact that the storm was so strong and devestating davidpdx Nov 2012 #61

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
2. Repigs are actually glad that they have an excuse to parrot after they lose. It was Sandy! Well,
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:27 PM
Oct 2012

I'll say to that "Then it must have been God's will."

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
4. Up Next...
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:28 PM
Oct 2012

Limbaugh claims Obama caused the storm using his now well known weather control capabilities... just like he sabotaged the RNC with Hurricane Isaac...

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
7. Mystery of the universe
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:30 PM
Oct 2012

All of humankind's activities cannot impact the earth's weather, but one person, namely President Obama, can do so at will.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. And yet he is so incompetent!
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:24 PM
Oct 2012
Freepies love to have it both ways. They are not even subtle about it.

ssaphyre

(26 posts)
10. Rush also said at the top of his program...
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:32 PM
Oct 2012

That Romney is ahead in early voting nationwide by 7 points? Huh??? Rush, Rush...where are you getting your information from????

democrat_patriot

(2,774 posts)
13. Nationwide maybe, but not in Batllegrounds where it ACTUALLY counts. 270 baby.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:39 PM
Oct 2012

My cube mate listens to Rush et all all day long and laughs to herself - it is rather annoying.

Since Rush probably just played "Barack the Magic Negro" or made fun of poor people.

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
14. Gallup.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:39 PM
Oct 2012

They are get their ass reamed when the election is over. Their rep just went down the crapper.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
5. Yep, he's kind of screwed . . .
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:29 PM
Oct 2012

No matter what he does over the next few days, he will either be pretty much ignored, or vilified if he says something stupid (which is very likely).

Cosmocat

(14,560 posts)
33. Sandy in effect ended the campaign
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:42 PM
Oct 2012

She will be the news for the next day or so, then the aftermath will drown out the last few days of the campaign ...

Anything beyond about Thursday of this week functionally does nothing for the campaigns, anyways.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
8. Romney stuck his foot in it but badmouthing FEMA awhile ago.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:31 PM
Oct 2012

Everyone jumped on it today. Even the MSM.

Stupidity. In times of a crisis like this, people do not want hear that FEMA should be privatized.

ItsTheMediaStupid

(2,800 posts)
26. There are some functions that even the most Jesus-crazed TEA bagger in Tennessee knows
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:13 PM
Oct 2012

Belong in the hands of the federal government

FEMA is one of them.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
41. I can assure you, being surrounded by Teabaggers in TN,
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:11 PM
Oct 2012

several of which are in my own family, they know no such thing, sadly. They are beyond delusional. I wish I could get every Democrat out of TN, take a crowbar, pry TN loose, then use it as a spatula to scrape up the other teabagger states around here and dump them in the ocean.

Alekei_Firebird

(320 posts)
44. Can't reason with racists
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:45 PM
Oct 2012

Unless one supports a plutocracy, there are hardly any legitimate reasons to support Romney besides good old fashioned racism. And I doubt many Southerners want to see a Yankee millionaire ascend to the presidency to help his fellow blue-blood friends.

Unless that Yankee can do so by putting the Black Usurper in his place while he does it. Then that's an acceptable trade-off for those miserables SOBs.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
9. If this is true, I'm brewing up the Victory Mead now.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:31 PM
Oct 2012

When there's a DU get together, I'll send it to the party.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
58. If it helps...
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:18 AM
Oct 2012

my family of choice has built hot tubs, in the past.

How big do you want it, and should it be mobile?

vankuria

(904 posts)
12. If Romney was a decent man
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:38 PM
Oct 2012

perhaps he could tour some of the devastation, visit with people in shelters, get an idea of what's out there, survey the damage and how it could be improved under a "Romney presidency". Instead, he wouldn't be caught dead in a shelter or anywhere near folks in need. Ann could also be out there speaking to folks, particularly mothers and children, showing she has some empathy. Even if you can't provide help, sometimes a show of support says alot about your charachter.

I remember after Katrina, some Hollywood actors toured some shelters and I'll never forget this image of Julia Roberts talking to a mom and holding her little baby that were left homeless. I'm sure it meant alot to that Mom.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
28. I disagree. If he does do those things it will not be genuine. He will be doing
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:19 PM
Oct 2012

it to help himself politically. I saw that he is in Ohio today supposedly raising money for disaster relief efforts. IMO what he is doing is phony and I hope that the voters see through it.

vankuria

(904 posts)
31. I said if he was a decent man
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:29 PM
Oct 2012

He obviously is not and has no empathy or compassion for his fellow citizens. And I agree whatever he does at this point will look phony and only be for political gain. Just thinking back to Katrina when so many of our citizens reached out whatever way they could to make things better for those on the Gulf Coast. The Romney's are cold, thoughtless people, with no charachter.

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
38. When has Romney ever been genuine?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:52 PM
Oct 2012

I've watched that clown since his Senate race against Ted Kennedy back in '94. He will say and do anything to get people to support him all the while keeping that painted smile on his face. He is one of the most insincere individuals I've ever seen.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
47. not even raising money. Raising canned food to deliver to the Red Cross.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:11 PM
Oct 2012

Guess his staff didn't bother to read the rules. Or maybe have given up trying to convince him that the Red Cross won't accept his canned goods.

Transparent and useless. Maybe next he'll try a "barn raisin'" for NYC.

LTR

(13,227 posts)
35. Romney's people already floated this
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:46 PM
Oct 2012

His people called Christie about touring devastated areas together. Christie replied that he didn't have time for photo ops.

A devastation tour by Romney at this point would look incredibly crass. He's essentially frozen out.

CTyankee

(63,899 posts)
16. The biggest PLUS in all this is that Obama looks and acts presidential and Mitt
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:41 PM
Oct 2012

is reduced to being a bit player, not powerful and definitely petty. It's like Mitt just shrunk!

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
17. Not to be the skunk at the lawn party
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:42 PM
Oct 2012

But if storm-related factors make voting difficult next Tuesday, it would provide cover for the GOP to steal elections in big Democratic states -- NY, NJ, PA.

That is a lot of electoral votes right there. From what I'm reading, they aren't even able to start repairs in some areas. They're telling people to expect to be without power for up to a week. Since they've perpetuated the myth that the country is divided exactly 50-50, all they have to do is say the storm tipped it to Romney.

I wouldn't start the celebration just yet. There's a lot of work to do.

Alekei_Firebird

(320 posts)
19. If NY or NJ suddenly went red, there'd be a huge outcry
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:48 PM
Oct 2012

PA may be more believable if it suddenly turned Romney, but only marginally so. Besides, I'm in Philly right now and despite some power outages throughout the city, the damage so far hasn't been major and there's a whole week to clean everything up. Today is much calmer than yesterday, weather-wise.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
21. There would be, but
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:53 PM
Oct 2012

their answer would be credible (to some at least). The areas most affected by the storm are the bluest areas -- the cities. Upstate New York tends to be more red. So if there were serious voting difficulties in the cities, it could be claimed that this is what swung the vote. I wouldn't believe it, but the media and the low-information voter bought the Florida crap in 2000.

calico1

(8,391 posts)
20. They can't get away with stealing NY or NJ.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:52 PM
Oct 2012

PA--marginally and even that would be suspect. I am in CT and what you need to know is this region prepares for storms like this. My State was affected pretty hard and just a little while ago I went the the supermarket and it was business as usual. We clean up pretty fast. I am going back to work tomorrow.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
22. I'm aware of how NE deals with storms
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:58 PM
Oct 2012

I grew up there and was a firefighter there.

However, NYC, Long Island, and New Jersey have serious infrastructure problems.

It's not just a matter of sweeping off the sidewalk and getting on with your business. They said this morning that it's still too windy in some places to even consider sending out power crews. I haven't seen anything on the subways lately, but with seven tunnels flooded under the East River, Manhattan, Queens, and Brooklyn are going to be a mess for quite a while.

This is at LaGuardia Airport today. Needless to say, hundreds of thousands of people won't be "going about their business" for quite some time:

CitizenPatriot

(3,783 posts)
42. this is why it's so maddening that the media
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:39 PM
Oct 2012

deliberately sells a horse race when there is not one- because it would make theft more believable.

That said, if there is only one thing I have faith in it's Obama's organization - they will not let it go by unchallenged if voting is in any way impacted. So, we all need to raise awareness of this issue now and express a desire to see that all citizens get to cast their vote and it's counted.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
29. NJ is polling anywhere from 10 to 14 points for Obama. NY is polling around 25 points for Obama.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:22 PM
Oct 2012

There would have to be a lot of people not voting for that to make a huge difference.

PA is the only state I could see effected by less Dem voters and it was not hit as hard as NJ, NY, CT.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
48. If you separate
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:13 PM
Oct 2012

New York City and Long Island from anything north of White Plains, you have two completely different states.

The heavily Democratic areas are the ones heaviest hit. The places unaffected by the storm are very red.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
51. I looked up a map of NY from the election in '08.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:55 PM
Oct 2012


It is not as red as you think upstate. Kind of mixed. Big patches of red but some patches of blue too.

NYC and Long Island will be effected. But there is time to make sure people have access to voting. We have issues in CT too but I understand the issues in NYC are really, really big. Transportation is an issue for sure. Slightly worried but not enough to think Romney can win NY or NJ.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
23. I'm not so sure about that. Why do you think that the Republicans are trying to suppress the vote?
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:59 PM
Oct 2012

It's because lower turnouts tend to favor Republicans while higher turnouts favor the Democrats. If weather related issues make it hard for some people to get to the polls that might help the Republicans. Rich Republicans can get to the polls in their limousines, but poor Democratic voters might be out of luck if their local transit system is down. Fortunately this will only apply to a few states, most of which are pretty blue states. But I do think that this is something to be concerned about.

fugop

(1,828 posts)
25. People need subways and transit to go to work
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:07 PM
Oct 2012

They can walk to their polling places.

On the other hand, I don't know what happens with displaced voters who have lost their homes. The whole thing is so tragic.

CitizenPatriot

(3,783 posts)
43. Oh and how much you wanna bet
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:41 PM
Oct 2012

true the vote will be there to challenge the vote of people who lost their homes? Republicans are probably caging them right now. Think that's sick? They did it in Michigan albeit not under a storm condition, but anyone who lost their home to foreclosure in the "wrong" district was a target of caging.

PsychProfessor

(204 posts)
32. I agree and
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:34 PM
Oct 2012

I think there is also a simpler dynamic at work. This situation has reminded people that you never know what might happen and you have to take your best guess that the person who is in charge is going to do the right thing in the face of whatever calamity occurs. This situation has reminded people of the key difference between these two guys. President Obama is steady to a fault. He is going to have your back in times good and bad. Romney is not only not trustworthy or consistent, he is kinda creepy. He is not the rock we need when things are really bad. He is not someone to be counted on.

Remember during the 2004 election, lots of people talked about how it was hard to think about changing horses in midstream, that some were wont to stay with Bush because of the war in Iraq. I think Sandy might be like that for Obama. He is the one who will see us through this storm.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
36. The other thing is that it is sucking all of the oxygen out of every other issue like the so called
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:49 PM
Oct 2012

Libbygate.

The campaign is basically over.

Now the voting begins.

PsychProfessor

(204 posts)
39. You nailed it!
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:54 PM
Oct 2012

Yes. There is a very strong sense, I think, in which the campaign has been ended. Now, it might start up again on Monday or something but right now it is over. It is like the way a poll starts, "If the election were being held today..." The election IS being held today. And I like our chances!!!!

Alekei_Firebird

(320 posts)
49. "Libyuh", "Bengahzee", call it whatever you want
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:14 PM
Oct 2012

It's the latest talking point that dumbass Tea Partiers have on attacking Obama. It's in the same class of pre-packaged attack points such as "soshulism", "constitooshun", "freedum", etc.

TexasCPA

(527 posts)
40. Sandy should help in Florida
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:56 PM
Oct 2012

Florida voters are seeing a strong response by Obama to a hurricane and Mitt campaigning in Ohio today. Disaster recovery should be an important issue to Florida voters.

yellowcanine

(35,698 posts)
50. You forgot: Romney is flailing around with "Hurricane Relief Rallies"
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:15 PM
Oct 2012

Total bullshit and everyone knows it so it will backfire.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
52. I'll bet he called up CEOs of agribusiness ilk and told them he could get rid of all outdated
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 04:00 PM
Oct 2012

canned food, and get them a tax deduction. Wouldn't put it past him.

Rhiannon12866

(205,015 posts)
53. And nothing that Romney's doing or saying now is helping him one little bit...
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:32 PM
Oct 2012

Do we really want a president who is so tone deaf that he has no clue what is happening all around him?! I can't believe now that any of the polls are still close.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
57. It's not over yet, and in like 2 days
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:04 AM
Oct 2012

it's going to be full-blitz mode until the end: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251193042

I'm sand-bagging my brain to keep out the floating tea-bags.

GO VOTE IF YOU HAVEN'T! CALL A FRIEND AND MAKE SURE THEY DID IF YOU HAVE!

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
61. While I hate the fact that the storm was so strong and devestating
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:21 AM
Nov 2012

It was nice to see Romney step in his own shit.

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