2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat is the purpose of reposting all of the anti-Hillary screeds we've seem before?
For better pr worse they won't change the minds of the Clinton folks here, and they certainly aren't influencing votes in the real world.
msongs
(67,395 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)And if grief is involved, I'd suggest that if you give a shit about stopping Trump you not keep up the effort to alienate his supporters
TimPlo
(443 posts)Here you are posting a common anti-Sanders supporter meme that is posted over and over in a thread whining about all anti-Clinton people posting things over and over.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)of turning your attention to the GE as y'all claim it is time to do.
Go discuss Trump in the GD forums, perhap?
We Sanders supporters are still fighting a primary and making our case for why she is a piss poor candidate for the general against Trump.
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)She's a member of the same Oligarchic club. We can do better than this...
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BreakfastClub
(765 posts)Good Lord. Democrats can do better than these silly attacks on our presumptive nominee.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Private prisons. Is that proof enough? You will not bring me to heel! I will vote for the better candidates always!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sanders voters to the GOP. Of course roughly 85% of all Sanders voters have always intended to vote Democrat regardless of who won the primary, but some of that remaining 15% will move right, or just refuse to vote in November, and both Trump and the anti-Trump right really needs as much of that 15% to NOT vote Democrat as possible.
Unhappy Bernie followers, of course, range all the way from mildly unhappy and seriously disappointed liberals and radicals to virulently hostile anti-Democrats or anti-Hillary people. And, of course, some of those are hard-right and other, anti-establishment conservatives drawn by promise of revolution, and they'll be going home in any case.
But that's what's behind a lot of this "Hillary should drop out" and other similar themes. It's not just the first stages of grief playing out in members here, it's the national battle to control the direction of our nation come to DU.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)some like the apparent comforts of living under tough (she is tough) authoritarian leadership. Locking up more and more people in her Prisons For Profits, moving jobs overseas with her "Gold Standard " TTP, hawkish foreign that is sure to show the world that we are tough, and heaven help the 99% after the banksters have their day.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)"Regain our democracy" -- take our country back? Where have we heard that before? Here's the part where you call me a paid shill and a conservative, that I hate reality, etc. Knock yourself out!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... they right
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)her millions, hundreds of millions and she is beholden to them. Either you don't see that, don't believe in quid pro quo, or you are just ok with that. Her positions to help those struggling are minimal and come at the expense of the working class that can't afford it. So you choose which side of the class war you are fighting for, but let me remind you that those running our government has given us 16,000,000 children living in poverty and another 16,000,000 living in low income homes. That's reality and I am fighting for them and sadly getting disparaged for it. I think you'd say I want a unicorn. More children die in the USofA before they reach one year of age, than any other modern nation. Why? Because many Americans choose to side with the wealthy and deny proper health care to the poor.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"Rhett?" That was what I posted on. Don't you feel DUers should be aware this is happening as they read these threads?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)dying from poverty yet you want to point at the Right Wing as the problem. The banksters and Wall Street are happy to have the Republcon Party go off the rails. What a great distraction. Curious, how many more bank "crisis" do you think the 99% can afford?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Yes, of course the right wing is the problem. It's almost the entire problem.
Does anyone doubt that if America was ALL conservative money and power would concentrated in the hands of the wealthy?
Does anyone (except "Rhett" think that if America was ALL liberal this could have happened?
Just the way thoughtful GOP voters couldn't stop the rest from nominating Trump, at that time we couldn't stop the "Reagan Revolution" and subsequent promotion and legalization by conservative forces of dark money. Doesn't mean we didn't try.
Now that WE are stronger and the conservative tide is ebbing, we are going to reverse all that. Of course, it'll be over everything they can do to stop us, which brings us right back to DU and the hostile right-wing infiltrators attempting to poison minds right here.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)Why would anyone think Clinton loves money? What is she buying? America's problems, like poverty, are society's problem. Republicans are the only ones who side with the wealthy and deny proper health care to the poor. And no, quid pro quo is for suckers. A good politician takes money and knows they are under no obligation. Duh.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Wow. The Clinton Family has amassed $150,000,000 in 15 years time. Given to them by people that expect quid pro quo. A good politician doesn't take graft. Pretending quid pro quo doesn't exist is naive.
The enemy is the Oligarchy we live in.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)Just because people expect quid pro quo doesn't mean you have to do it. Duh. "The enemy is the Oligarchy we live in" --
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Full Ignore for you
betsuni
(25,472 posts)It was quite delicious and I think I'll put sausage in lasagna from now on, unless it's a vegetable lasagna, of course.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Seemed incomplete.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)I feel real bad now.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)You all are just posting same things over and over in a post crying about Sanders supporters posting things over and over..
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Not us Bernie supporters. We will not vote for Trump in the GE that is false and bullshit! We might not vote for Hillary. You know there are other choices right?
Stop painting Bernie supporters as the problem with Hillary. The problem with Hillary is Hillary!
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)for someone who understands so very little. I am always amused by aggressive ignorance..
apcalc
(4,463 posts)Where my political beliefs were not in agreement with the groom!
And was in photos!
Too funny....
brewens
(13,575 posts)BreakfastClub
(765 posts)I could see touting Bernie's accomplishments, or talking up his platform, but attacking Hillary makes no sense. It would seem that Clinton Derangement Syndrome has sadly taken hold of their minds, and they are irrationally full of hatred for her now. There is simply no rational reason to attack her at this point. Bernie can't win. Hillary has 3 million more votes than him. Bernie has been mathematically eliminated. Attacking Hillary is bad for the party. Very, very bad. I thought the purpose of this site was to support democrats.
Rincewind
(1,203 posts)accomplishments, he would have to have some.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Some of us would prefer not to further entrench that system, and would rather see a Democratic candidate who actually wants to reform the system instead.
TimPlo
(443 posts)Or do you actually not know the meaning of presumptive nominee?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_nominee#Presumptive_nominee
Using that term just yet for Hillary is dishonest really. Sure Sanders has little chance to win enough votes in next 15 states but it is a chance it could happen so she can't be called presumptive nominee. You could say most likely to be presumptive nominee that might be more accurate. But when you use presumptive nominee tag now it appears you don't know much about how nomination are done and what terms applied in primaries actually mean.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And to let them know their time in office is short. Spread the word. Thanks.
lamp_shade
(14,828 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)people suffer when themselves or a loved one is stricken with a terminal illness?
I think not. Shame on you.
lamp_shade
(14,828 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)and it is bound to hurt those that have gone through or are currently experiencing the reality of such pain.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)But, whatever.
astrophuss42
(290 posts)You bet your backside I've known about it and what it means for decades.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... good at all.
The parrallels are valid imho
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)1. Desperate For Answers
2. Denial
3. Bargaining
4. Relapse
5. Anger
6. Initial Acceptance
7. Redirected Hope
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/me-we/201406/the-7-stages-grieving-breakup
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)instead of increasing, we are fighting to keep the banks from stealing any more homes for profits, end the destruction of our water supplies, and yet you scoff and gloat because the Wealthy and Super Wealthy are continuing to dominate our government.
We aren't in grief, we are just beginning to fight.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)Poor things.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)And the tsunami of imbeciles posting shit against Bernie.
My Advice would be that if people don't like seeing Negative shit about the flip-a-coin Neocon then don't spam ignorant shit about the only candidate in this race with an ounce of integrity.
imari362
(311 posts)Her supporters should be at a instead of posting something like this or even any mention of Bernie...I would think
Sancho
(9,067 posts)The Blemmings have seen them before, and the majority of Hillary supporters have them on ignore or have moved to other sites.
There may be a few people with OCD who can't stop, but the majority of "anti-Hillary screeds" are wasted on the DU audience that is left over. The only reason I can see to continue is that someone is paid by the post. Likely as not the funding is coming from the RW.
It doesn't bother me, because those people are accomplishing nothing - they aren't out on the GOTV trail or getting any traction with new voters. Bashing Hillary won't change the fact that it will be Hillary against Trump - and even the craziest here on DU could not support Trump.
It's too late for a third party to even get on the ballot, so if you think there's a chance for run like Perot or Nader then it won't happen. Bernie is hurting his own chance to have influence by continuing. Hillary is not wasting money on him any more.
On 90% of the actual record, Bernie and Hillary were similar - and we have their records. Face it, Hillary has it won and it's time to put a Democrat back in the White House. Reposting the same crap has no real purpose or effect.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Trump is a bad man and should not be allowed anywhere near the WH. And the GOP is a bad party, and need to be opposed at every turn.
Having said that, if the election devolves into Trump Bad. Gop Bad." while ignoring the issues sanders has raised, then we will blow a chance to actually fix problems and set the country on a better course.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Behaving like children.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... mostly cause they thought Sanders was inevitable and or don't believe someone doesn't like Sanders as much as they do.
The Burn the village down to save it attitude of the far left like Nader and Sanders has soured my perspective of them
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)It's a well-established meme that if you flood the Internet with enough prayers and hatred, SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN!
Geeze, I should not need to explain this to you.
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Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)The sociopath will always accuse YOU of what they are guilty of themself.
They do this to deflect the attention from them.
Examples of this are
Accusing you of cheating
Accusing you of being dishonest or lying
Accusing you of talking about them
Accusing you of doing whatever it is that they are guilty of themselves
The sociopath has a bizarre ability to be able to make YOU feel guilty and feel like you have defend yourself for things that he has done.
You see the sociopath, is actually fairly intelligent. He knows that whilst you are busy defending yourself, and proving your innocence, you will be confused, and will forget about the real issue, the truth that you are close to uncovering about the sociopath.
Bullshit Bingo
Its all a game to the sociopath. Life is a game. With little inside themselves they spend most of their life playing stupid mind games.
Accusing you of things that they have done themselves, is something that they will do over and over again. The result for you, the victim is
Feeling confused
Feeling violated
Feeling misunderstood
Feeling unheard
Feeling guilty
Likely he will also say everyone thinks, or says . so you feel isolated too
Afterwards, after wasted hours, protesting your innocence, you think
How did that happen?
The truth is right there, you are relieved that the constant questions and accusations have stopped. There is peace again.
https://datingasociopath.com/2013/06/08/the-sociopath-will-always-accuse-you-of-what-they-are-guilty-of-themself/
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Their hate only makes her and them stronger.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... discussion of anything factual in regards to Hillary.
The need to reinforce a negative image of her usually comes when those negative images get challenged through something they read or see.
It's podium bird land thinking and a complete turn off of the far left
baldguy
(36,649 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)for their side. As such, Bernie people want to constantly "expose" Hillary for what she is.
What effect does is have. My guess is, on DU, not much.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)That was truly an eye-opening statement, wasn't it? I don't shock easily and even I was stunned by it.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)But the point is that Clinton was being told the same things and being urged to quit by many Democratic leaders and the media in the same way that Sanders is being told now, but she kept fighting until early June.
So it is inconsistent to call Sanders all kinds of nasty names for doing essentially what she was doing last time around at this point in the campaign.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... she had a case Sanders doesn't
Now, on the other hand... I heard Sanders on NPR... it seems like he knows the gig is up IMHO and is doing this to get more registered dems in the mix.
If that is the case and the convention is were he speaks and bows out with dignity then his revolution would have been of great affect.
Jus on the interview he sounded consolatory and willing to help... no doubt
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)We're the early birds. So lots of people just getting involved....so you'll see things repeated.
Stuckinthebush
(10,844 posts)She's evil and all.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Honeymoon honeymoon honeymoon freestuff freestuff freestuff...
Oh, I don't know. Maybe you can explain it. Maybe you can even regale us with stories of wealth and access while you're at it. We've never heard those before.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Vinca
(50,269 posts)I imagine the Hillary attacks would wane if her supporters suddenly became a positive force.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511856082
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511845974
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511840250
Not to mention the heaps of condescension in replies: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511895680
Don't like shitposts? Don't shitpost. This means you, too. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511822519
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Insulting berine supporters daily if not hourly? Maybe you could call some of them out
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)ever.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Straight out of the playbook...
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Complaints like this. Posts just like this one are repeated over and over too. What is the point of it?
How about you lost why a Democrats should vote for Hillary? That might work better.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)has voted to the extent that NYers bother to vote, other States are still in process. This means Hillary is the rival to Sanders and vice versa still, in much of the country including the largest State. I have seen endless attacks on Sanders, and they are ongoing. People in your cohort, with your tacit approval are posting such enlightened discourse as 'sit your ass down Bernie'. That's what you stand with while my State and my home State are both full of Democratic volunteers turning out the vote for Hillary, Bernie and all the other down ticket Democrats. If you claim she's got coattails but pull those tails out from under all those other candidates in order to make some petulant display over a nomination not yet secured all I can do is laugh. She's got coattails but also tells millions not to bother voting at all? Do you guys know what coattails are?
NY's turnout did not crack 30%. We will never pattern after NY. NY should in fact be attentive of our process and the superior results we obtain by doing what we do, not what you do.