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Yavin4

(35,427 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:04 PM May 2016

Politico: Bernie Has Been Mathematically Eliminated from Winning With Pledged Delegates

Even if he won every single delegate in remaining races in Guam, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, and the District of Columbia (which he won’t), he’d still be 51 delegates short.


In sports, when you're mathematically eliminated, you go home. You don't hang around the stadium.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/math-says-bernie-sanders-is-finished-222775
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Politico: Bernie Has Been Mathematically Eliminated from Winning With Pledged Delegates (Original Post) Yavin4 May 2016 OP
In sport you finish the damn game. hellofromreddit May 2016 #1
The game is over. n/t Yavin4 May 2016 #2
Oh, he's finished already. nt. nolawarlock May 2016 #23
Not yet. Please, let us not have an intramural Bush v Gore. Let us move on until the silvershadow May 2016 #3
No, it's over. n/t Yavin4 May 2016 #4
Wrong. CentralCoaster May 2016 #5
So? This Primary Will Be Decided By The Superdelegates TomCADem May 2016 #6
It's not happening. Sparkly May 2016 #8
He faced it all, and he stood tall . . . ucrdem May 2016 #7
I don't even think Sinatra in all his arrogance ever quite reached this level. nolawarlock May 2016 #24
So is Clinton. HooptieWagon May 2016 #9
That formula depends on superdelegates. It is the way it words to get the nomination. riversedge May 2016 #10
Bernie doesn't believe in math. DCBob May 2016 #11
Sanders has no path to the nomination and so he is lying to his supporters Gothmog May 2016 #12
27 + 27 + 27 + 27 + 27 ... nolawarlock May 2016 #25
But not mathematically eliminated from securing a majority of the pledged delegates morningfog May 2016 #13
If he won every single delegate remaining, he would be the nominee. morningfog May 2016 #14
So what happened in 2008? n/t Jon Ace May 2016 #15
LOL. "in sports" This isn't sports. People's lives depend on fighting against Clinton rhett o rick May 2016 #16
We Bernie supporters have long predicted this: Noone will win this race with pledged delegates. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #17
Silly. Clinton also will be mathematically eliminated from winning with pledged delegates onenote May 2016 #18
He needs to go. He's a sore loser at this point and a nuisance. nt BreakfastClub May 2016 #19
The only loser is HRC lancer78 May 2016 #28
I guess PBO lancer78 May 2016 #20
Hillary doesn't have enough delegates either and it is very doubtful she can get them. Live and Learn May 2016 #21
You do know that superdelegates can change who they support at any time, right? jfern May 2016 #22
Yes. NanceGreggs May 2016 #29
In 2008, Hillary did not stop after a win was mathematically impossible for her. merrily May 2016 #26
Let me know when Hillary gets 2382 pledged delegates... basselope May 2016 #27
K & R Scurrilous May 2016 #30
"with pledged delegates" pat_k May 2016 #31
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
3. Not yet. Please, let us not have an intramural Bush v Gore. Let us move on until the
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:11 PM
May 2016

requisite number of delegates is reached. On to convention.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
6. So? This Primary Will Be Decided By The Superdelegates
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:16 PM
May 2016

Again, there is this misconception that voters choose the nominee. They do not. Delegates do. If Hillary fails to secure a majority of all the delegates, then under the rules, the choice of nominee can be made by the superdelegates:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politics/bernie-sanders-delegate-math-hillary-clinton/

It is mathematically impossible for Bernie Sanders to win enough delegates in the remaining Democratic contests to secure the nomination, but his aides see a path through a convention battle in Philadelphia that would target the party's superdelegates.

The Democratic nominee must win 2,383 delegates to secure the nomination, but with only 933 delegates up for grabs in the remaining contests, it is impossible for Sanders to get there just by winning contests against front-runner Hillary Clinton. The Vermont senator has racked up 1,444 delegates, according to the latest CNN delegate tally, but would need to win more than 100% of the remaining delegates.

Asked about this hurdle Wednesday, Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver dismissed it.

"The truth is, no one is going to the convention with the requisite number of pledged delegates to win. The superdelegates are going to decide this race," Weaver said on CNN's "New Day."

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
24. I don't even think Sinatra in all his arrogance ever quite reached this level.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:48 AM
May 2016

And Sinatra had talent.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
9. So is Clinton.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

Neither can reach 2383 pledged delegates.
While Clinton is closer to a majority of total pledged delegates (2076), upcoming states favor Sanders, including semi-open primary California with 476 delegates.

Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
12. Sanders has no path to the nomination and so he is lying to his supporters
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:24 PM
May 2016

Sanders is lying to his supporters to keep the small dollar donations coming. It is very sad

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
13. But not mathematically eliminated from securing a majority of the pledged delegates
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:47 PM
May 2016

or a majority of total delegates.

Kind of a stupid and pointless op.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
14. If he won every single delegate remaining, he would be the nominee.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:50 PM
May 2016

He would be the pledged delegate winner and the supers would push him to the nomination.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. LOL. "in sports" This isn't sports. People's lives depend on fighting against Clinton
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

and the Rich Bastards that have brought us 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty. We will fight on.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
17. We Bernie supporters have long predicted this: Noone will win this race with pledged delegates. (nt)
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:10 AM
May 2016

onenote

(42,660 posts)
18. Silly. Clinton also will be mathematically eliminated from winning with pledged delegates
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:36 AM
May 2016

Sanders needs to get less than 30 percent of the remaining delegates to make it impossible for Clinton to get to 2383 with pledged delegates alone. It is a virtual lock that he will get to that number.

Of course, whether he does or doesn't is irrelevant. Its been clear for some time that neither candidate would win based on pledged delegates alone nor is there any special significance to the fact that they won't. The winner will get there with a combination of pledged and super delegates and at the moment there is no reason to think it won't be Clinton.

But both will have been "mathematically eliminated" from winning with only pledged delegates.

Sometimes Hillary supporters' math is as bad as Sanders' supporters.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
28. The only loser is HRC
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:54 AM
May 2016

Lost in 2008 to an unknown freshman Senator from Illinois.

Stayed married to a chronic cheater husband.

Partly responsible for IWR, causing thousands of deaths.

And in 2016, even with hundreds of millions of dollars, the MSM, and over 500 super-delegates, she is only beating a Senator from Vermont who had become a Democrat 6 months earlier and has the word Socialist in his party affiliation by less then 10% of pledged delegates.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
20. I guess PBO
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:44 AM
May 2016

should have left the stadium in 2008 since it was mathematically impossible for him to win with pledged delegates as well.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
21. Hillary doesn't have enough delegates either and it is very doubtful she can get them.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:45 AM
May 2016

Let's finish it the way the rules specify, shall we?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
29. Yes.
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:56 AM
May 2016

And how many have changed thus far?

I see a lot of discussion here about SDs who threw their support behind Hillary at the outset, and therefore didn't consider Bernie. Well, they could have changed their allegiance at any time during Bernie's campaign, if they'd had second thoughts about their initial backing of Hillary.

So how many SDs have changed from HRC to BS during that time?

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