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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:15 PM May 2016

Bernie should get out now while the getting is good.

Seems to me Bernie's political clout is about a high as it going to be and will drop off significantly as he loses most of the remaining states. June 7 could be a real disaster if he loses NJ, NM and CA all on the same day. Winning the tiny delegate states of ND, SD, & MT will be seen as meaningless compared to those 3 big delegate states he will likely lose.

Bernie has more leverage now to negotiate something significant rather than waiting until he gets blown out June 7th. A smart politician would get out now and make the best deal he can get. If he waits, he might not even get a seat in the back of the room.

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Bernie should get out now while the getting is good. (Original Post) DCBob May 2016 OP
What are you talking about? Bernie has all of us, and we're not giving up. Avalux May 2016 #1
Sure.. but dont you want make the most of what Bernie has accomplished? DCBob May 2016 #4
Then she won't get much votes AgingAmerican May 2016 #6
Hillary is hiding her use of a phony "health care plan" to hide the WT0 war on public services Baobab May 2016 #29
I'm not sure if it was you, Baobab, who sent me a link to the GATS agreement, but someone PatrickforO May 2016 #57
They never had the votes for single payer in 2009 brush May 2016 #60
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to dispute your claim. Do you remember your history? When FDR was elected, PatrickforO May 2016 #63
No. There were never the votes for single payer in '09. brush May 2016 #66
Well, I hear what you're saying, but to me the 'real deal' is that PatrickforO May 2016 #85
You cannot forget lancer78 May 2016 #89
Yes. brush May 2016 #91
Almost a vote on single payer in 2009 and the author of that paper was organizing it BUT on August 9 Baobab May 2016 #64
Preaching to the choir here brush May 2016 #69
http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/000156.html <<< Read it Baobab May 2016 #71
The House was never going to decide it. brush May 2016 #74
Do you think Nick Skala's DEATH on August 9th was NATURAL? Baobab May 2016 #81
read my post from just now a bit down Baobab May 2016 #68
Trump is already beating her Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #76
No, it won't tonyt53 May 2016 #18
Bernie has doen nothing to wash money through down ticket dems. frylock May 2016 #35
Wow aren't you pretentious! Avalux May 2016 #43
This isnt about Bernie Baobab May 2016 #65
So what's the next move after Clinton clinches? brush May 2016 #59
If this was about him, maybe. Bernie has lots of faults, but profiting from his Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #2
Not "profiting".. but negotiating for a speaking spot or elevating his issues in the platform. DCBob May 2016 #10
If Hillary shuts him out of the convention, it would be much worse for her than him. aikoaiko May 2016 #42
Did you see the polling that just came out in California? DCBob May 2016 #44
Whether this ends with Bernie commanding 45% or 40% of delegates, his "leverage" is the same. aikoaiko May 2016 #82
See, I'm talking more significant if we are going Monty Hall. TheKentuckian May 2016 #80
Not so fast...front page msn.news. I know, it's "false" if it doesn't show HRC ahead, but still... libdem4life May 2016 #3
Rasmussen?? DCBob May 2016 #5
Surprised it took 4 minutes. I know, it's the Clinton Bubble. n/t libdem4life May 2016 #21
So in the "Bernie Bubble" Rasmussen is cool?? DCBob May 2016 #27
I linked to an article by the MSM. It punctures a sacred creed. libdem4life May 2016 #30
Rassmussen has always been off. Always. nt fun n serious May 2016 #7
10 minutes. Must be a slow internet connection. libdem4life May 2016 #22
You do know Rasmussen is a right-favoring site, right? brush May 2016 #61
Bernie isn't in it for political clout or money unlike some others. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #8
You dont get what I am saying.. DCBob May 2016 #12
Bernie doesn't want or need your crumbs. Live and Learn May 2016 #16
What you consider "crumbs"... others might consider vital or significant. DCBob May 2016 #19
'Others' meaning the establishment. They will be lucky to get any crumbs in the endgame. nt Live and Learn May 2016 #38
This is truly a disgustingly pathetic post. nt NorthCarolina May 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #11
You guys are funny! DCBob May 2016 #14
You're not. HERVEPA May 2016 #17
Take the source into account. frylock May 2016 #36
I've been saying that since NY. CrowCityDem May 2016 #13
Yep. If he goes for broke.. he's likely to go broke. DCBob May 2016 #15
Like a seat in the back of the room at the convention. tonyt53 May 2016 #20
Go Bernie liberal from boston May 2016 #28
Bullshit, Joe Lieberman actively campaigned for McShame including a prime time speaking spot at the TheKentuckian May 2016 #75
Not if all the people lancer78 May 2016 #90
You wish. Probably didn't see his Press Conference. libdem4life May 2016 #23
Ego and vanity and a quest for power can impair judgement. NurseJackie May 2016 #24
You noticed. 20 years and counting, an impeachment, now a libdem4life May 2016 #32
Take Hillary's vote for IWR and her use of a private mail server, for example. frylock May 2016 #37
Negotiate for what? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #25
Maybe get rid of the super delegates for the next election. DCBob May 2016 #46
This has never been about Bernie 99th_Monkey May 2016 #26
Lol, you hill fans sound more desperate daily. Nt Logical May 2016 #31
Oh Gosh! Just like Seinfeld:A Candidacy About Nothing SujiwanKenobee May 2016 #33
Get out before the Indictment Faerie arrives? frylock May 2016 #34
Why? He's got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Vinca May 2016 #39
He's got a lot to lose.. leverage. DCBob May 2016 #45
I think you're underestimating the zeal of his movement. Vinca May 2016 #49
The movement has zeal but the candidate is fading. DCBob May 2016 #50
I got plastered last night Skink May 2016 #62
False, he's losing more than just the primary now uponit7771 May 2016 #88
Will he raise a stink at the convention when he can't flip SDs? oasis May 2016 #40
Doesn't make sense. Your "now" is arbitrary... Orsino May 2016 #41
Bernie is starting to get blown away in California polls workinclasszero May 2016 #47
Could be. He has lost some of leverage already with that poll. DCBob May 2016 #48
What is the problem with Bernie staying in? Give it up. Skwmom May 2016 #51
Its a win-win situation. DCBob May 2016 #52
Hey, Bob! MrMickeysMom May 2016 #53
Hey Mom! DCBob May 2016 #56
You've defined the criteria by which you feel the Democrats can win.. MrMickeysMom May 2016 #73
Bernie should stay in the race 3hummingbirds May 2016 #84
You're hilarious Biaviians May 2016 #54
so, you agree with clinton oldandhappy May 2016 #55
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #58
They'll brush him aside regardless of when he leaves Armstead May 2016 #67
You seem to think Bernie's Revolution is going to stop at some point. It's ongoing, my friend. Zen Democrat May 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author TimPlo May 2016 #72
65% is not near enough. He would need something like 80% DCBob May 2016 #77
In 2008 I noticed that Hillary stuck around until the end Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #78
It was much closer plus she had more supers than Obama. DCBob May 2016 #79
Yesterday I attended a California District 24 caucus with 300+ people to elect Bernie delegates Piedras May 2016 #83
I'll be sure to tell him. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #86
Thank you! DCBob May 2016 #92
Nope pat_k May 2016 #87

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
1. What are you talking about? Bernie has all of us, and we're not giving up.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

This is about more than the primary and I think you know that. Bernie's clout will continue and grow even if he isn't the nominee.

We're not going away so get used to it. The Democratic Party will be forced to shift left if they want to win.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
4. Sure.. but dont you want make the most of what Bernie has accomplished?
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

He might be able to get something really significant if he does it now. The Clinton team does not want to fight him all the way to Philly so they would be more likely to give him something now he and his supporters really want. But if he waits and is blown out June 7th I doubt he will get much.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
29. Hillary is hiding her use of a phony "health care plan" to hide the WT0 war on public services
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

which is pursued totally so big corporations can enslave us using these deals which outlaw everything that coud make health care affordable for corporations. Everywhere, that is their goal.

Now they are working on another one, worse than the first, in Geneva.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
57. I'm not sure if it was you, Baobab, who sent me a link to the GATS agreement, but someone
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

on here did. For those reading this post, in case you don't know, GATS stands for General Agreement on Trade in Services, and was as you point out a WTO initiative.

Well, we signed this piece of and its provision against legislation that sets up a 'service monopoly' is one of the main, if not the main reason that Congress didn't ram Single Payer through in 2009 when THEY HAD THE VOTES AND THE PUBLIC SUPPORT to make it happen.

But, no. No matter how good something would actually be for you and I, the people, Congress obeyed this piece of crap treaty and instead we got a Heritage Foundation plan from the 90s that is little more than a giant welfare program for insurance companies. It never made sense to me Baobab, until I read that text in the GATS agreement.

You all know what????

We need to RENEGOTIATE every stinking one of these so-called 'free' trade treaties. Because profit over people has reached its last gasp and will not be allowed to continue by the people for very much longer.

So, oligarchs, don't want pitchforks, torches and guillotines???

THEN THROW THE MIDDLE CLASS THIS BONE!

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
63. Sorry, but I'm gonna have to dispute your claim. Do you remember your history? When FDR was elected,
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:02 PM
May 2016

a woman came up to him and said, "Well, you need to do this, that and the other thing!"

FDR looked at her and said, "I agree. Force me to do it!"

What he meant by that, of course, is that pressure from voters, properly applied, can neutralize a lot of lobbies and corporate money. If a Senator gets 5,000 calls from constituents saying, "Hey, we want single payer. Pass it ASAP," then that is how s/he'll vote. That is the way our system was intended to work.

So, when you tell me, 'oh, they never had the votes,' I dispute you because I was PART of the Obama machine, which was the most potent, powerful popular grass-roots movement I've ever seen in my lifetime. And, speaking for myself at the least, and perhaps for the numerous good people I met on that journey, I'll tell you this:

If Obama would have said, "Hey, we want single payer, CALL your US Representative and Senators!" there would have been a crushing response. And, if they didn't do it, we'd have showed at the polls in 2010 and cast them out of office on their greedy and shortsighted butts.

Because here's the thing: we lost so bad in 2010 because many of us, millions in fact, thought we had elected the next FDR and found out that instead we'd elected someone who was to the right of Eisenhower Republicans. Don't get me wrong - Obama's a really good, really moral guy, and he's been a far better president than many give him credit for.

But he has in fact helped Wall Street and the MIC, big pharma and the insurance industry just a BIT more than he's helped us. If he'd have been a real populist, like Bernie, this country would now be a light on the hill instead of an erstwhile republic that has embraced empire and is about to become a fascist state, thus ensuring its demise in our fucking lifetimes. Sorry, but it is that serious.

brush

(53,471 posts)
66. No. There were never the votes for single payer in '09.
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:16 PM
May 2016

Here’s the real deal — there actually wasn’t a two year supermajority.

President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009 with just 58 Senators to support his agenda.

He should have had 59, but Republicans contested Al Franken’s election in Minnesota and he didn’t get seated for seven months.

The President’s cause was helped in April when Pennsylvania’s Republican Senator Arlen Specter switched parties.

That gave the President 59 votes — still a vote shy of the super majority.

But one month later, Democratic Senator Byrd of West Virginia was hospitalized and was basically out of commission.

So while the President’s number on paper was 59 Senators — he was really working with just 58 Senators.

Then in July, Minnesota Senator Al Franken was finally sworn in, giving President Obama the magic 60 — but only in theory, because Senator Byrd was still out.

In August, Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts died and the number went back down to 59 again until Paul Kirk temporarily filled Kennedy’s seat in September.

Any pretense of a supermajority ended on February 4, 2010 when Republican Scott Brown was sworn into the seat Senator Kennedy once held.

Summer and holiday recesses also factored in so there were the votes there that could have done what you suggest.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
85. Well, I hear what you're saying, but to me the 'real deal' is that
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:44 AM
May 2016

there are about 645 people who call the shots in DC.

IF THEY WANTED TO DO THE RIGHT THING WE WOULD HAVE HAD IT YESTERDAY.

I've had it up to my nose-hairs with bullshit. I'm 57 years old, and am sickened every time I think of my shitty, rationed healthcare package from an HMO that cares more about cutting costs than serving me. I'm sick of my employer and I between us paying a whopping 18.8% of my gross pay in healthcare premiums. Every year the copay goes up and the service goes down. At this point, if I have to be hospitalized, I have to pay a financially crippling copay, and if both my wife and I have to go in one year, I'll probably have to go bankrupt.

That, brush, is bullshit, and it is immoral - an offense against everything that is right. I WANT SINGLE PAYER NOW. It is the right thing to do. It is the moral thing to do. And yeah, I'm willing to pay higher taxes for it. I also feel that the big corporations who haven't been paying any US income tax need to be paying their fair share.

These fucks who we vote into office go off to DC and earn big bucks, have lifetime healthcare and big lifetime pensions and they DARE to keep screwing the American people because they are nothing but fearful worms, afraid of losing the next election. I have no sympathy, and so have become far more active politically in local politics.

I WANT SINGLE PAYER NOW and it is the price these sick jerks will pay from now on for any support at all from me, and I will very actively work against any politician who is against single payer.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
89. You cannot forget
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:25 AM
May 2016

the Likud Party's Senator (Joe Lieberman). Thousands of Americans will die because of that entitled brat of a man.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
64. Almost a vote on single payer in 2009 and the author of that paper was organizing it BUT on August 9
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

he suddenly died. Yes, died.

Here is a video of him a few weeks earlier.



here is his mailing list from August, in date order.

http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/date.html#start
here is his IJHS paper on WTO and health care reform.

Which turns out to be by far the best paper on this subject, and much more right than even its author suspected at the time.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.405.5725&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
71. http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/000156.html <<< Read it
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016
http://www.pnhpillinois.org/pipermail/activists_healthcareil.org/2009-August/000156.html and then read the few messages on either side.. both before and after

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
81. Do you think Nick Skala's DEATH on August 9th was NATURAL?
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:09 PM
May 2016

or not?

it appears that I am not the only person to have wondered this here..


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6817105


here is a video taken shortly before:

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
18. No, it won't
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

Because Bernie has done nothing to help down ticket candidates, he has hit his peak. And no, the Democratic Party isn't changing due to Bernie-ites. Ya see, us Democrat that have been around forever and have actually participated in our elections understand what it it takes to make a person worthy of or votes. People over 50 vote far more reliably than those under 25.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
35. Bernie has doen nothing to wash money through down ticket dems.
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:14 PM
May 2016

FIFY

Clinton fundraising leaves little for state parties

In the days before Hillary Clinton launched an unprecedented big-money fundraising vehicle with state parties last summer, she vowed “to rebuild our party from the ground up,” proclaiming “when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen."

But less than 1 percent of the $61 million raised by that effort has stayed in the state parties’ coffers, according to a POLITICO analysis of the latest Federal Election Commission filings.

The venture, the Hillary Victory Fund, is a so-called joint fundraising committee comprised of Clinton’s presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and 32 state party committees. The set-up allows Clinton to solicit checks of $350,000 or more from her super-rich supporters at extravagant fundraisers including a dinner at George Clooney’s house and at a concert at Radio City Music Hall featuring Katy Perry and Elton John.

The victory fund has transferred $3.8 million to the state parties, but almost all of that cash ($3.3 million, or 88 percent) was quickly transferred to the DNC, usually within a day or two, by the Clinton staffer who controls the committee, POLITICO’s analysis of the FEC records found.

<more>

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670#ixzz47VU4iX3M

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
43. Wow aren't you pretentious!
Mon May 2, 2016, 03:30 PM
May 2016

BTW - I'm one of those faithful Dems who has been around forever. I'm going to keep fighting to change the party, knowing I'm up against people like you who think they know more than the rest of us.

brush

(53,471 posts)
59. So what's the next move after Clinton clinches?
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

Is there an actual organization being discussed and not just repeated comments about a movement?

We all saw what happened to Occupy.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
2. If this was about him, maybe. Bernie has lots of faults, but profiting from his
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

position is not one of them.

This is and always has been about him helping this country and sticking it to the assholes while he is at it, which I fully support.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. Not "profiting".. but negotiating for a speaking spot or elevating his issues in the platform.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:33 PM
May 2016

I think he can get something significant if goes for it now. The Clinton team would likely be more receptive than if he waits until the end when he will likely have much less leverage.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
42. If Hillary shuts him out of the convention, it would be much worse for her than him.
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

Bernie needs to stay in until the convention and make the super delegates state their choices.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
44. Did you see the polling that just came out in California?
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

Bernie is going to get plastered on June 7. He has some leverage now.. after June 7.. not much.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
82. Whether this ends with Bernie commanding 45% or 40% of delegates, his "leverage" is the same.
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:15 PM
May 2016

You don't get it -- if HRC disrespects Bernie at the convention it will motivate Bernie supporters to work against Hillary. She already has that problem to a certain degree, but it could get much worse for her. Or it coudl get better.

I know the Clinton's are a vindictive people, but they are stupid.



TheKentuckian

(24,943 posts)
80. See, I'm talking more significant if we are going Monty Hall.
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

Elevating on the platform is me to okay but can see worthless from it's house it isn't enforceable. Talk to me about elevating or placing on the agenda and appointments.

Speaking spot? Sure, the keynote speech is worthy of consideration the symbolism about the direction of the party moving forward could be beneficial.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
3. Not so fast...front page msn.news. I know, it's "false" if it doesn't show HRC ahead, but still...
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-leads-clinton-by-two-points-in-rasmussen-poll/ar-BBswIB2

A vote for Clinton appears to be dangerously close to a vote for Trump...to use the meme I dislike, but get tired of reading. Of course, as usual, they do not mention the one candidate who has consistently (like his politics) beaten Trump.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
30. I linked to an article by the MSM. It punctures a sacred creed.
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

This didn't just happen or get made up out of "fairy dust"...but you knew that. It's been closing in for several weeks. It's just inconvenient information. The others will soon come along soon. Not that it matters.

Bernie beats ALL of the Republicans. Hillary beats MOST of the Republicans...so I'll hold off on reflecting until the Right Pollster comes along. BTW, this has been the case for a number of weeks now...right here on DU.

But when the old "kill the messenger" urge presents itself, it reminds me of my Dad's old saying....You can't get someone's goat it they don't have a goat to get.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
22. 10 minutes. Must be a slow internet connection.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

Oh, and we who don't live in the Clinton Bubble watch all the published polls. And, the ones showing Bernie beating all of the Republicans, yes, even Trump, by comfortable margins have not varied much at all.

brush

(53,471 posts)
61. You do know Rasmussen is a right-favoring site, right?
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:52 PM
May 2016

We seen that over several election cycles and they are usually highly inaccurate with their predictions — like Romney was going to win.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. You dont get what I am saying..
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

I am suggesting he negotiate for a high profile speaking spot at the convention or making his issues higher priority or whatever... not money or any personal gain for Bernie.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
16. Bernie doesn't want or need your crumbs.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

Bernie is not the movement. The Bernie effect arose because of the movement. The movement will continue with or without Bernie.

Bernie will be just fine fighting the battles he always has from wherever he is. The White House was never his dream or goal, change is.

And change will happen, one way or another, like it or not.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
19. What you consider "crumbs"... others might consider vital or significant.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

We will see how this plays out but I suspect he and his team will soon come to their senses.

Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #9)

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
13. I've been saying that since NY.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

If Bernie continues to hammer the Democratic party, and talking about contesting the convention, he's going to find himself on a one-way ride right off his committee roles, and be all alone and powerless in the Senate. The way to turn 'the revolution' into something that accomplishes anything at all is to make nice with the people who can help you. Getting out now would do that.

TheKentuckian

(24,943 posts)
75. Bullshit, Joe Lieberman actively campaigned for McShame including a prime time speaking spot at the
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:55 PM
May 2016

RNC after running third party (The Loserman party) against a Democrat riding Relublican votes the whole way and that no good fucker wasn't relieved of a damn thing.

So, if you folks want to get petty, vengeful, and shitty (not to mention hypocritical as the conservative was rallied around) then we all go there.

It would be stupid anyway, why ratchet up the cost of doing business. Odds are that vote will be needed along the way at least a few times.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
90. Not if all the people
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:37 AM
May 2016

that can "help" him out are a bunch of prostitutes selling out their constituents to the highest bidder.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
23. You wish. Probably didn't see his Press Conference.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

A good number of us want to take our party back. Enough of the Corporatocracy-led Democrats. That's not best for the party or the nation. And the awakening of the formerly silent, especially in demographics below age 45...the real next generation...is a case in point.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
32. You noticed. 20 years and counting, an impeachment, now a
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

Foundation. And much more. You have made a good point. She hasn't driven her own car, they say, since those two decades, and those 6 figure banker speeches.

Yes, just a peasant of the people.

ETA: Bill's daliances,i.e. impeachment

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
26. This has never been about Bernie
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

Your evident obtuseness about the Political Revolution, about being in it together,
about why Bernie's staying in the race, etc. ... is just sad.

SujiwanKenobee

(290 posts)
33. Oh Gosh! Just like Seinfeld:A Candidacy About Nothing
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

Yeah, right. End your "show" while your ratings are high, Bernie! After all, it's just about YOU! It's not a MOVEMENT of millions of people or anything IMPORTANT like that! Sheesh.

Vinca

(50,170 posts)
39. Why? He's got nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

If he stays in and happens to be the nominee somehow, that's a win. If he stays in and isn't the nominee, but continues to spread his message, that's also a win.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
45. He's got a lot to lose.. leverage.
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

The California poll just proves my point. He likely to get plastered there and once that happens he wont have any leverage at all.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
53. Hey, Bob!
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

When YOU get out of DC, then you can start telling others where they can get off. Until then, study up a little bit on what is actually GOING ON outside your confined cone that defines political clout.

AhKayThxBye!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
56. Hey Mom!
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

DC is just one of many addresses. I have lived in Illinois, Arkansas, Texas, Mississippi, Florida, Maryland and SE Asia.

I know very well what is going on outside of this place. I also know very well what the reality of this years election. We have to beat the GOP, that is our first priority, and Hillary is our best candidate to do that.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
73. You've defined the criteria by which you feel the Democrats can win..
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:44 PM
May 2016

You no doubt toss out the widest variety of polling on how Bernie Sanders beats EVERY Republican in this race over and above HRC. You toss out that when open primaries, reflective of the ACTUAL November vote have him winning.

Well, I'll say this for you... You have your set of glasses on!

3hummingbirds

(58 posts)
84. Bernie should stay in the race
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

According to most of the polls, Bernie beats all Republicans by a higher margin than Hillary. She has a huge disapproval rating.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
55. so, you agree with clinton
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:35 PM
May 2016

The nine million votes to date and the however many delegates do not matter. ha ha ha I suspect she will be the nominee and I suspect she will win. My primary is not until June and I would like to vote before the grand climax of clinton giving her victory speech before the convention begins. Have patience. You will get what you want. The primary process has tried the patience of many this year. There is nothing good about stopping now. The good is in every candidate getting their message out as often as is possible. The good is having a platform that accurately reflects Democrats. The good is having an honorable primary process.

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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
67. They'll brush him aside regardless of when he leaves
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:18 PM
May 2016

All that progressive populism is so messy.

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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
77. 65% is not near enough. He would need something like 80%
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:00 PM
May 2016

BTW... have you seen the latest CA poll? Hillary is ahead by 19 points. It's over so Bernie might as well negotiate something with Hillary while he still has maximum leverage. Right?

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
78. In 2008 I noticed that Hillary stuck around until the end
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:01 PM
May 2016

at the time it was important for her supporters to have a chance to vote.

Piedras

(247 posts)
83. Yesterday I attended a California District 24 caucus with 300+ people to elect Bernie delegates
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

I attended a Congressional District 24 caucus in San Luis Obispo, California yesterday to elect Bernie delegates. There was a long line to get in. Well over 300 Bernie supporters came to vote for delegates. There was another District 24 meeting in Santa Barbara on Sunday too. The high turn-out and warm energetic enthusiasm for Bernie was very affirming. We elected 6 strong Bernie delegates from our district to attend the Democratic National Convention.

The California election is just over a month away on June 7th. Being cautious I checked my registration again to be sure I get to vote. Its good! Absentee ballots will be mailed out on Monday May 9th. So I'll be able to vote very soon.

The voter and election suppression effort from Hillary's supporters appalls me as a life time registered Democratic voter from California and strong Bernie Sanders supporter.

So hell no. I'm voting for Bernie on my California absentee ballot asap!

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