Sandernista rebels are so rebellious and so radical they're going to stay home and pout

[Jackie Wilson Said]

Sandernista rebels are so rebellious and so radical they're going to stay home and pout if their preferred candidate isn't on the ballot, and berate everyone else who participates with indignant sneers and elitist scorn.

A friend of mine just said this to me and I had to repeat it here.

Talk about summarizing this whole thing succinctly.


BTW, the person who said this is like me, a Bernie voter. But I guess, like me, a different type of Bernie voter than many we find here at this political message board.


(of course staying home and pouting, and voting 3rd party, are the same thing because we have TWO choices in November, sorry to break the bad news)

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

1. Keep on laughing it up. Why not repeat this everywhere you go?

I'm sure it will be funny to everybody that hears it.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

8. I fucking PROMISE you my friend and I are not laughing, AT ALL. As we are adults

and adults who have been around a while, we know what fascism will do to this country if certain folks pout and dont vote.

[CoffeeCat]

31. I consider myself an adult too

I am not pouting. I am behaving like an adult. As an adult I refuse to be manipulated or guilted into voting for Hillary the neocon who is participating in the corporate corruption that has infected our democracy and has turned out political system into a laughing stock.

I also have to say, you may want to work on your diplomacy. I will never vote for her. However, there are most likely some Bernie supporters who will. You're not going to win them over by speaking as you are, and acting like a bully. It's very ugly.

It depends on what your goals are. If you're oh-so concerned about "what fascism will do to this country" (your words) you may want to try softening up the insults.

[Eko]

149. As a adult

I tell you that Clinton is in no way a neocon, a neoliberal sure but not a neocon. As far as corporate corruption that has infected our democracy I would tell you that you have a very poor grasp on the history of politics and money in our country. Diplomacy? " I will never vote for her." Your words, how is that diplomatic? Everyone here wants to lessen the influence money has on our country, its not like you are the only one. You just expect it to happen overnight when it has been going on for 240 years and if it doesn't happen you will take your vote and go home. Doesn't sound very adult-like.

[nashville_brook]

201. LOL -- adulting.

[snooper2]

208. so are you going to vote or stay home then? if you stay home and aren't pouting...

Will at least the fridge finally get cleaned out? LOL

[Armstead]

33. I think you need to look at the bigger picture on this

I realize you are concerned about this, but the real problem is not the relatively small number of people who will deliberately not vote out of anger because Bernie lost.

The bigger problem, and where you should be aiming your fire if you want to change it, are the people who have been so turned off by politics that they just don't give a shit. They don't post on DU or go to rallies.

They're not pissed at Clinton or the Democrats specifically except as member of en entire political system that they see as useless and meaningless. They see the gridlock and the inaction of both parties as equally corrupt and irrelevant to their lives. It's the Apathy and Cynicism Party.

Bernie helped to counter that, by offering a pro-active agenda, and honest assessment of the situation, which got many people involved....Now it's up to Clinton and the Democrats to give them a reason to stay involved.

But there is also that larger subset of people who didn't pay attention to Sanders, don't care whether its the GOP or Democrats and will either not get engaged or may get sucked into voting for Trump.

I'm serious. If you want to aim your fire somewhere, that's what you should focus on rather than beating up people who are curren;ly mad at Clinton. That larger apathy is also going to make a difference in the ultimate outcome.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

41. Agree, I think Bernie will be remembered in history more so than many presidents even if he

never becomes one.

What he has done, creating all this interest in young people, has never been done before.

Now what do we do with it?

We form local groups and elect locally etc

[artislife]

91. I hope you are crying.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

121. Incremental fascism is just as bad...if not worse when you vote for it.

Do you even grasp the concept if the word?

I'm not sure that you do.

But, please do repeat what your friend said to everybod that can hear you.

I'm sure it will be well recieved.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

122. Planned Parenthood doesnt agree with you...but do you care?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7784930

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

126. Nice deflection away from poor you, but I will return YOU to center stage

Please go shake your fist at all those who are turned off by incremental fascism...seeing how you choked in answering to that.

I won't be voting for Goldman's Sacks, hellfire missles or the same corrupt establishment that wants to fu@k us with TPP.

But you go right agead and beat that drum if you must.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

128. I hear you, you will say GO TO HELL PLanned Parenthood and women, my feelings are more

important

Yes, we all heard you.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

134. So you really don't really understand fascism

then?

Incremental invasions, bombings of brown-skinned people, undeclared wars are not my bag. Perhaps that's your trade off fir planned parenthood.

Fall in line, vote, bombs away!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

135. Stop deflecting, you oppose Planned Parenthood...live with it

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

137. I live in reality.

Have fun supporting Hilly's bombing of the Persians if she becomes POTUS.

You care about life? Think about that while you sit on your high horse.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

140. Women be damned, disgusting.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

142. Do you want some dip to go with that imaginary chip on your shoulder?

[That Guy 888]

152. Why did Planned Parenthood do an endorsement since they never did one before?

I live in a red state, so for all practical purposes I already had my Presidential election.

The idea that I need to be frightened into voting for candidate and group (Clinton and the Corporate Dems - I.E. "socially liberal and fiscally conservative) is repellent to me. This election (if Clinton is the nominee) is like voting for the nicest hired thug: the guy holding your arms behind your back telling you to give up (No, we can't!) or the guy who really enjoys giving you a beating. Neither is really on my side.

It might go better for the Democratic Party if they made a concentrated effort to "suck" less, or not at all. They don't fight for voting rights. They don't fight for liberal ideas (oh but they want liberals to vote for them though). They mostly don't fight for the rights of African Americans. They're a bit better on women's rights, but they haven't returned to the ERA yet. When they do fight, it's kind of half-hearted and they give up quickly. Doesn't matter if they're in the majority or minority they let the republicans drive the agenda, frame the question, and define the language used.

Just look at "Obamacare". It's basically Bob Dole's fig leaf plan from the 90's that covered the fact that republicans didn't have a healthcare plan for Americans.

Is Clinton really going to defend abortion rights?

Late-Term Abortion Debate Reveals a Rift Between Clinton and Sanders
Bernie Sanders opposes all abortion restictions. Hillary Clinton's stance is murkier.[

...During a Fox News town hall on Monday night, Clinton and Sanders were asked about their position on late-term abortions. Sanders' stance was easy to discern: He opposes abortion restrictions, full stop. Clinton's answer was murkier. She began her response to moderator Bret Baier with a broad defense of a woman's right to an abortion, mentioning the current Supreme Court case involving Texas' anti-abortion regulations and the continued Republican attacks on Planned Parenthood. But Baier persisted on the matter of late-term abortions, asking, "Just to be clear, there's no—without any exceptions?"
Ads by ZINC

Clinton replied, "No—I have been on record in favor of a late-pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother."

In the exchange, Clinton seems to support limited bans on late-term abortions after a fetus is viable (about 24 weeks into a pregnancy). Her campaign has said nothing to contradict this. Asked to clarify Clinton's position, a campaign spokesperson responded in an email:

Politicians should not interfere with a woman's personal medical decisions, which should be left to a woman in consultation with her doctor.

She also recognizes that Roe v. Wade provides that restrictions are constitutional later in pregnancy so long as there are clear exceptions for the life and health of the woman.

Clinton has consistently made clear her support for exceptions to any late-term abortion regulations, such as when the life or mental or physical health of the mother is at risk. She would also consider restrictions only after about the 24-week mark, when a fetus is considered viable, in keeping with the Supreme Court's ruling in Roe v. Wade.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/hillary-clinton-late-term-abortions

[azurnoir]

154. and after she secured their endorsement Hillary said she'd compromise on abortion and oh

the director of PP's daughter is interning with Hillary's campaign BTW

[reddread]

194. or could you be could you be could

you be?

[Kalidurga]

2. Seriously do people really think Bernie supporters don't know there are other people on the ballot?

Personally I think they will vote for Jill. And it's not going to take a single vote away from Hillary, because they never ever planned to vote for her anyway. It will be interesting to see. As for me I am still waiting for June to make a final decision.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. This is garbage. Why are you promoting it?

I don't know any Bernie supporters who are going to behave like this.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

5. Wait, you havent read post after post here about how Hillary has to earn your vote

or the posts about not voting if she wins?

I have, I have seen many like that.

And clearly it is happening all over the place, thus this comment from someone who has experienced these type of supporters elsewhere.

[Human101948]

11. Half of the Voting Age Population never votes...

Why don't you go whine at them?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

13. Whine? The whining is being done by those threatening to stay home, and you know it.

[Human101948]

25. That is their choice just like the other 100 million Americans who don't vote...

Why do they owe you anything?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

130. That's called free will. Fascism is the other white meat.

[PyaarRevolution]

52. Are you sure they don't just mean for her?

That they're willing to vote on the down-ballot?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

55. AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[PyaarRevolution]

81. I've run into someone who despises Hillary.

She won't vote for her but I asked her clearly and she supports the down-ballot and WILL vote there.

I just believe they can be convinced to go down-ballot.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

82. That is better than nothing, but it is so childish, so short sighted, wow. They exist, though.

Some right here on DU.

Here is why it is absurd.

ALL politicians fit into the category Hillary belongs in, Bernie doesnt but Bernie is ONE person.

By saying you can vote for him but not her you are saying that NOW the ONLY politician they will vote for has to be pure, otherwise they are out.

ARGHH

[TowneshipRebellion]

113. Why should it bother you at all?

Not everyone is going to go along with the DNC program and corporate agenda. Why should we unite with a group who have been bashing us and casting us as commie crazies for months on end. Your inevitability politics did this. Now reap the rewards!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

114. Another "my feelings are hurt so taking my ball and going home no matter who it hurts"

Excuse me, seriously.

You see I was a teenager in the 60's, with this attitude we would still be fighting in Vietnam.

[TowneshipRebellion]

123. Well it's not the 60s

and I am not a teenager and this conversation has nothing to do with Vietnam. It's the 2010s and I am a working man who sees my government being bought and sold by the super rich while the rest of us are being told to eat cake. You cannot piss in my face and tell me it's raining. We will not go with the program. Anyone who was against the Vietnam war in the 60s should see what we are about very clearly. Enough going along to get along. We are trying to do this peacefully. If the ballot box has been bought and sold then we will speak with our spending habits. If they still won't listen to us then we will take it in a different direction. We will not be held hostage by your generation.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

124. So your pocketbook is what matters.

[TowneshipRebellion]

125. Reading is fundamental.

The only language these vultures seem to understand is money so when the mass boycotting begins and they see their profit margins narrowing, then perhaps we can start to get somewhere. We have had it with the establishment. We've HAD IT!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

127. Two different subjects. General strike may be called for, has nothing to do with

not voting for the Democrat.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

145. It's called reality. Deal with it. Camp weathervane screwn the pooch,

but now it expects us all to go smooch smooch.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

146. Yes, the reality is your feelings are more important to you than lives

Not me, I am in this for everybody, not just myself.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

147. My feelings? They have nothing to do with it, but

TY For the piss-poor deflection though.

[noretreatnosurrender]

138. Why should it bother you at all?

He's got to earn his position in the Clinton camp doncha know. He thinks by calling himself a Bernie supporter that it elevates him to a position where he has more credibility in attacking Sanders supporter thereby getting kudos from the Hillary supporters. He's been posting these kind of threads on a regular basis and they get more shrill as time goes by.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

198. EVERY pol has to earn votes.

That is the whole basis of democracy.

What we don't need is asinine lectures (like the last three phone calls I received over this week) telling me that if I don't vote Hillary, that I am dooming our country.

To my mind, and from my experience with her, voting for her would be dooming this country. If she changes (R I G H T !) and honestly adopts more liberal positions, becomes anti-war, and goes after criminals in Wall Street, then perhaps she could earn my support.

But for her to say crap like she did about the death of Ghadaffi, and shrugging off her personal responsibility and input into the destruction of Libya, Syria, and the Ukraine, it is ever harder for her to earn my vote.

[artislife]

93. But Jackie is a self professed Bernie supporter

so this just may be insider information...or it is an effing meme!


smh

[HooptieWagon]

4. That'll sure fire them up to vote for Jill Stein.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

6. Talk about proving the point. And you dont even see it, how is that possible?

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Right on schedule.

Bless that Colace.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

14. Please explain for us all how my calling out those who are threatening not to vote against the

fascist is shit?

You see if you are a liberal, then what I am doing is what all liberals are doing.

Anybody who claims to be a liberal CANT defend actions that elect fascists, you do understand that I hope.

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. Who are you to call anyone out? Seriously.

Do you have something special everyone else around here lacks?

And how many straight days of posting this....nonsense...is this for you now?

[timmymoff]

32. Actually I called you out as a Hillary apologist

and I stand by it. You have no stroke or power to tell anyone what to do, how to vote. You may feel A Ok with voting for more of the same. You may be A OK with voting corporatist sell out. I'm not, and will not do it , no matter how much you whine, no matter how much you moan, weep, or gnash your tooth. I will not vote for a republican , even if offered for sale as a democrat.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

37. And the GOP thanks you, the women in the back alleys dont, however.

And like I told a friend who I have been friends with for decades when he said he would vote for Trump over Hillary, see ya.

[timmymoff]

39. sell that fear like the gop candidate you are now supporting

and secretly always have, Hillary.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

89. Thanks for contributing to my new TV. BTW, been a Bernie follower and supporter longer than

you I am willing to be money.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

183. I believe that I have to call BS on your BS.

Your beluevability is about as legitimate as a three dollar bill...IMHO.

[timmymoff]

192. You are a legend in your own mind.

[CanadaexPat]

60. The women and children of Iraq, Syria and Libya

will thank us. Their alleys have been bombed away.

[Squinch]

84. Jackie, there are those who will never listen to what you say. Of course there are enormous

issues in this presidential election for the vast majority of the population. But there are some few here who have decided that they are above those issues.

We need to not waste our energy on them. This election, as you point out, is too important.

[Bobbie Jo]

9. Rec'ed for the thread title alone.

Right on the head with that one.

"I WILL NEVER..." I believe them.

[m-lekktor]

10. You really do like to stir the shit nonstop. nt

[Jackie Wilson Said]

12. On the contrary, I am sick and tired of people saying they are liberals and then

acting as if they cant or wont vote for the Democrat.

This is very serious business for me, I tried nicely for months here to talk sense into these people, but they arent hearing it.

So now I guess I have to be blunt.

[Yurovsky]

20. Gee, I find it hard to believe...

that your arrogance and condescension haven't drawn more progressives to Team Hillary...

A regular Dale Carnegie you are...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

199. Dan Lipinski

a democrat in name only. and a horse's ass.

[NWCorona]

15. Even though I disagree with you from time to time I've always respected your opinion

But this is kinda ridiculous.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

17. Well, I didnt say it, my friend did, but it had to be said. Can you point to where

my friend is wrong?

Lets look at it word by word, I dont think you can.

[NWCorona]

34. "Lets look at it word by word, I dont think you can."

That's what I'm talking about. Why do you feel the need to insult me and others? Like I said, even though I happen to occasionally disagree I've never disrespected you or your opinion.

Now to your question as to where I think you and your friend are wrong.
I think it is counter productive to expect or rather demand that people fall in line with their candidate's opponent when the race isn’t over. Whether or not you'd like to admit it or not, Bernie isn't out yet. I'd be the first to admit that his path now is extremely narrow after last night but it's not impossible.

Once an official nominee has been selected and it happens to be Hillary. Feel free to go all out on the Bernie or bust crowd.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

40. When I said I dont think you can I meant you couldnt argue with it once you looked at it word

for word, but I was sloppy and you may not have read it that way.

sorry

This isnt about whether the race is over yet, it is about those who have already declared they wont vote for Hillary.

[NWCorona]

50. Ok I can see that and thanks!

It's very easy to get things construed. My favorite example!

I know you mean the ones who say they won't vote if it's not their candidate. What I'm saying is that people have so much emotion invested in who they are caping for that it's only natural that a portion of supporters would hold this viewpoint. All I ask is for you to tone down the venom until after it becomes clear and apparent and finally sunk it. There's enough time between the elections for you to make your point. Trust me if it was the other way around. Some Hillary supporters would be saying the same thing.

Gotta heal before we can rebuild.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

53. Now we are friends for life, you just found the other biggest Key & Peele fan on the planet

[NWCorona]

63. Oh word!

So many classics between those two and I can't wait for Keanu! My son is begging me to take him lol! It might be the first R rated movie I take him to but I have to preview it first to make sure

[Jackie Wilson Said]

69. Yeah, it will be funny, guaranteed!

[Arugula Latte]

16. You work in PR, I bet.

Way to win friends and influence people!

[Nanjeanne]

18. Well your charming post certainly makes me want to rush out and support Her Highness. Thanks.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

21. You prove my friends point. It is like dealing with people who have never been involved

with politics.

How in the HELL could what my friend said have ANY god DAMN impact on what YOU an ADULT will do when presented with whether or not to vote against a person who wants women to FUCKING DIE in back alleys?

[Nanjeanne]

24. Do you work in PR or Marketing. Because you are simply a genius. Perhaps Charm School President?

[riderinthestorm]

49. What's crazy is Hillary wants (already has) ME brown women and children to die in endless wars

Or the brown women and children dying now in Honduras' civil war (gotta deport those kids back to teach their parents a lesson! )

Most importantly she also doesn't care about the millions of Americans who are certainly going to die in the upcoming weather and environmental catastrophes. Or the many millions across the planet who are already starting to die in places like the Sudanese drought (climate change culprit), or in mega storms like Hurricane Sandy which has been documented as having been greatly amplified by climate change, or during severe heat waves which weren't even listed as a threat in 1970 because they didn't even exist. Now they're one of the leading causes of death. Russia's heat wave in 2010 killed 55,000 people.

Some people are seeing a much bigger picture than abortion even - they're voting for a candidate to ensure they'll have a clear conscience in 5 years when the shit hits the fan...

[Jackie Wilson Said]

51. So the GOP person who will do ALL That but will also kill women in back alleys, you dont

think it is worth 5 minutes of your time to vote against that.

Sounds pretty damn selfish to me.

[riderinthestorm]

74. Look Jackie, many Bernie supporters live in solid blue areas

That would elect a peanut butter sandwich if they were the Democratic nominee.

They can vote Jill Stein without any harm to Hillary. But here you are crapping all over anyone who won't vote for Hillary. Its a shitty purity pledge.

Some folks actually have a conscience and believe a vote for Hillary is an explicit endorsement of her and the evil shit that's coming if/when she's elected. You're crapping all over them at this stage only hardens their position and ensures they'll never pull the lever for Hillary.

Hillary’s willing to consider constitutional amendments on abortion. Some folks feel strongly about voting against Hillary’s position on that and believe their write-in vote is their protest.

The GOP's climate change position dooms the planet as surely as Hillary’s incrementalism. Jill Stein is unconditionally pro-choice and pro-environmental action asap as is Bernie. Voting for them (Bernie as a write in) isn't selfish to those voters at all, in fact just the opposite.

Your lack of nuance is a mistake imo.

Good luck with it.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

77. Not what we are talking about, we are NOT talking about votes of conscience in dark blue states

[riderinthestorm]

86. Not what you're talking about

And obviously you don't want to hear anything but a purity pledge.

Hillary’s going to have to win people over, not just demand their vote.

Democracy doesn't work that way.

The ball's in her court now. She's got to persuade Bernie voters.

If she loses, its her fault for not persuading them. It's 100% on her.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

98. Win people over? Jesus, it is like I am talking to a brick wall or VERY

inexperienced people.

NO politician has EVER won me over, other than Bernie.

And I worked my ASS off for Obama and others.

Do you understand what that means?

[riderinthestorm]

108. In 2008, Obama didn't demand all of Hillary supporters vote

Or they'd get John Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran McCain who is every bit as scary and delusional as Trump.

He went out and earned Hillary supporters' votes.

Sure he didn't get all of them but he damn sure didn't try strong arming them with threats which is what you're doing, this tactic will fail badly with the national mood right now.

Hillary must win Bernie supporters.

[byyiminy]

19. You really want to push your luck, pal?

That's exactly what you are doing.

Yumin' Yiminy!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

28. Sounds like a personal, possibly even physical threat.

Should point out to whoever is looking at this poster, they have posted only once, are new, and are doing it only to me.

I consider that very troubling.

[Marr]

22. If you really want to help your candidate, start kissing ass.

That's what she needs from you now.

Or you can just keep having fun with childish trolling on the intarweb. Either way.

[mwrguy]

26. Fuck'em

[seabeyond]

27. You aer in the vast majority. I understand there was the poutage during the 2008 battle.

Mostly polls are coming back that Sanders supporters will easily be able to vote for Clinton. They are probably the ones that made it to vote for Sanders in the first place.

[deathrind]

29. There will be many items...

To vote on come November, not just who is the next POTUS.

[Matt_in_STL]

30. Yes, because if you don't compromise your principles and vote for Hillary you are just pouting.

It must be nice to not have a set of principles by which to determine your vote.

[aikoaiko]

35. Many Hillary supporters have said they don't need or want us.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

42. They are wrong to say that, but are you saying you would sit this out because

some idiot on the internet said something?

No, right?

I hope not.

[aikoaiko]

153. No, but what it says to me that they have no interest in building a coalition.

HRC isn't going to be able to appease Bernie with a cabinet position.

HRC needs to develop a coalition with solid policy if she is capable.

[Squinch]

95. They are not saying they don't need or want you. They are saying they believe you when you say

you won't vote for Hillary, and therefore the argument is futile and not worth the energy. You have chosen to make yourself a non-factor in the discussions going forward on the presidential election.

It's a big difference.

[aikoaiko]

164. That's more a difference of perspective than substance.

When people say they can't or won't vote for HRC, its because of what she has said or done so far.

She has 6 months to earn the votes of those who voted in the Democratic Primary, but struggle with the idea of voting for her.

If she can't build a coalition with people to whom she (and Bill) hasn't offered Federal jobs and millions in foundation money for initiatives, then maybe you're right and its pointless.

[Squinch]

190. It is the difference between Sanders supporters being sent away (which by the way no one

can actually do to them) and Sanders supporters saying they are going to take themselves away and people believing them.

That's a difference in substance.

[aikoaiko]

195. Some Sanders supporters are taking themselves out; they were never in and for good reasons.

I can see why you think there is a difference.

[aikoaiko]

197. Trevor LaFauci "The Democratic Party doesn't want or need your vote."

Well, this didn't take long for TeamHRC to be absolutely explicit.


http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/25/do-what-you-want-an-open-letter-to-the-bernie-or-bust-movement-on-behalf-of-the-democratic-party#.VyKmDIJZpia.facebook

[Squinch]

205. Well. If Trevor LaFauci says it, well, he speaks for EVERYONE! (Who is Trevor La Fauci again?)

If it is any consolation to you, Mildred Peabody said, "We really want your vote, aikoaiko. And we think you are very handsome, and a good dancer." So did Reginald Fishbottom, though your looks seemed less important to him.

[aikoaiko]

207. LaFauci is a Hillary supporter who wrote about the very thing you said wasn't happening.

It is what it is.

[Squinch]

209. Yes, but so are Mildred and Reginald, and they like you very much.

[aikoaiko]

210. Well, I proved my point with a link and article. How about you, sweetie?

[Squinch]

211. OK, honey. Trevor hates you. He really does. I concede.

[hobbit709]

36. How to win friends and influence people-NOT.

Clintonistas are sore losers and even worse winners.

[PowerToThePeople]

38. Wrong

I plan on voting, just not for your shity trickledown warmongering right wing candidate.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

43. Right, you plan on voting in such a way that the fascist can start killing minorities and women

if he wants to.

If not kill, surely make 2nd class citizens.

[PowerToThePeople]

44. It didn't have to go that way.

Tptb got their candidate, but not my vote.

Take up issue with tptb. My vote is mine.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

45. So are you one of those folks my friend is talking about?

Big talk about revolution but the first time you dont get your way, you walk?

[PowerToThePeople]

47. I do not knowingly vote for

my political enemies. No one can make me.

[G_j]

72. I don't believe you,

or your "friend" are Bernie voters. Given that, anything you say rings quite insincere.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

75. Now I am working on my 3rd 4k TV that I can afford because I get a dollar

every time one of you newcomers to politics accuses me of not being a Bernie voter.

[G_j]

87. good for you! nt

[Squinch]

99. Exactly. Well said.

[DFab420]

46. I see you speak out of both sides of your mouth...

[Jackie Wilson Said]

48. Explain

[DFab420]

62. You claim one thing but behave another.

Pretty sure your posts will explain themselves

[Jackie Wilson Said]

65. And now I could buy two 4K TV's as I get a dollar every time I am accused by

a so called Bernie supporter that I am not one.

Sad.

But you dont know any better, I guess.

[DFab420]

68. I am reasoned enough to read your journal. I can make up my own mind about you from

what you choose to share.

I see a lot of double speak from you.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

73. Journal? WTF is that? Oh, wait. you mean this? I dont have to link it but now I know

what you mean.

yes, all of my posts are about how I support Bernie but will support Hillary if I have to and why you are not a liberal if you dont.

I know, who am I to decide who is and isnt a liberal.

But i did.

[B Calm]

54. Looks that way.

[Throd]

56. Not compromising your ethics equals pouting?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

57. Not willing to take 5 minutes out of your day to vote against fascism?

[Svafa]

67. If my only choices are fascist

and neoliberal warhawk, I'll pass. Thankfully those aren't the only choices. Sadly, one of them will likely win regardless.

[bigwillq]

58. My name is bigwillq, not Sandernista, and I will not stay home

and pout.

I will stand up and fight.

Thanks.

[G_j]

64. +100

[840high]

187. All the way...

Bernie

[NCTraveler]

59. I think it should be rightly described as the Bernie or Bust crowd.

A number of Sanders supporters here are truly fine with Clinton.

[brewens]

61. Party Unity My Ass! Sound familiar? I'm probably voting for Hillary anyway. I can't blame what

are true independents for going that way though. Hillary should have done something other than "steal the Bern" when convenient to attract them.

If tRump wins, it is going to be interesting. The GOP leadership has shown they feel like he's a real wildcard. It could really be that he can't be pushed around. Any rotten dealing and he may just go full on "Bullworth" over it. And I really wish I could feel the same about Hillary. I'd love it if she gave a speech more or less saying, "thanks for the money suckers, but there's a new sheriff in town!" Then really went out and tried to do what I hope Bernie could do. There's not much to make us think she has that in her.

[MrWendel]

66. This list..

of actual Revolutions...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions

Had all been successful with hardcore pouting.

[JPnoodleman]

70. If you have no need for me, then I will go. N/t

[Jackie Wilson Said]

79. There it is, if I am not nice to you, a random person on the internet, you will

act out against the citizens.

AMAZING

[JPnoodleman]

191. Well it is thee who is trying to build a coalition, I am just a voter.

Apparently an irrelevant one at that.

[2pooped2pop]

71. give me someone to vote for

And I will. Without Bernie there will be no viable choices.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

80. You should vote for Trump, with that attitude it is basically the same thing.

[2pooped2pop]

136. no, its not at all.

I won't vote for a republican ever. That includes Hillary. DINO

[MFM008]

76. hey

you stole my insult!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

78. If you're posting to make yourself feel better, great.

If, on the other hand, you believe that browbeating people will produce the result you're looking for, you're wasting time.

[Kelvin Mace]

83. So, you think this will make people see it your way?

Do you? Honestly? Because derision and childish taunting always work?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

88. So a random person on the internet says something that hurts your feelings so you will not

vote now?

WOW

[Kelvin Mace]

96. I'm just asking the question

I will vote, down ballot races are important. I had ZERO intention on voting for Henry Kissinger's favorite candidate before, and am no more inclined now.

However, you seem to think that dancing a jig and grinding people's faces in the mud is going to help your candidate.

Good luck with that.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

102. Got it, so you will sit out voting for the president thus adding to the risk of the GOP in the WH

I just dont understand why you are on a liberal message board, that is all.

[Kelvin Mace]

104. Because I don't vote for war mongering conservatives

and Wall Street apologists.

Pretend she's a liberal, whatever helps you sleep nights.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

105. What helps me sleep is knowing i voted to prevent dead women in back alleys, something

that seems far down your list of concerns.

That and a whole list of social issues I could mention.

Very selfish.

[Kelvin Mace]

109. Tell that to the dead women and chidlren

in other countries HRC will bomb.

Oh, wait, they don't count. They aren't white or "American", so screw them. Maybe they can raise enough money on Kickstarter to pay for her to give them a speech, and THEN they might matter.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

111. White? American? Holy cow.

So if i go to the African American section of this or any board I will see you posting constantly about non white problems?

I know you will find ME, what about you?

Nah, I bet no before I even look.

Kickstarter?

What in the hell?

Who are you?

[Kelvin Mace]

193. So you deny that non-white

women and children have died, continue to die, and will die when HRC continues the policies of illegal war?

Also, don't know what you are you are implying. Are you saying that I must go to a special section of this board in order to protest racial injustice, and if I don't it doesn't count?

[pantsonfire]

85. To this party, I'll stay home and pout...

[Jackie Wilson Said]

94. Thanks for admitting that your feelings are more important than the country

[artislife]

90. No, we are going to vote

We just may vote for someone else.


Nice Bernie supporter. I still have not seen one post where you support Bernie Sanders. What a fake.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

92. I state my support for him in HUNDREDS OF POSTS , stop lying

[artislife]

97. bull.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

100. Stop lying, there has to be a punishment here for lying.

[artislife]

101. If there were, the h group would be vacant.nt

[Jackie Wilson Said]

103. Good one, funny. But you are still lying and you have to know it, oh well.

[artislife]

106. Your tears don't move me.

And I have so few of you that I can read, your posts stand out.

Firstly, because I like Jackie Wilson and his incredible voice.

You have been a very light supporter of Bernie from the beginning. I have seen your posts because you confused me by sounding like a h supporter but always adding the phrase you were a Bernie supporter.

Yet, I have never read one word of actual support of any of his issues...nothing. nada.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

107. All day everyday I comment on his agenda. You cant or wont accept it because

that would mean a real supporter is someone open and evolved enough to see the big picture, when necessary.

You cant, I guess.

[artislife]

112. "evolved"

So when did being a warmonger become okay?

When did selling Fracking around the world become okay?

When did being a shill for Wall Street become okay?

if this became okay, I say you never really thought they were a problem in the first place.

But whatever, Jackie...whatever.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

119. Like I just told someone else

Excuse me, really, please do.

You see I was a teenager in the 60's, with this attitude we would still be fighting in Vietnam.

[artislife]

120. With h's attitude we never would have gone to the moon. nt

[TowneshipRebellion]

110. Every poster named Jack will do three jumping jacks

and then touch their toes.

[jack_krass]

116. What?

[Broward]

115. I see a lot of pouting coming from your direction.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

117. That's not pouting, that is anger at selfish people

[bjo59]

118. Pouting, huh? Where did you learn that?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

131. Planned Parenthood wishes you would stop pouting and vote for the Democrat to protect women

[Nuclear Unicorn]

129. Punching down is always a winning PR strategy.

[noretreatnosurrender]

151. You Got That Right

The ole kiss up and kick down mentality. I remember when this was discussed concerning John Bolton

"a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy"

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-04-12-bolton_x.htm

[me b zola]

132. I'm voting for Bernie this November

If exercising my right to vote constitutes "pouting" to you that seems like that is your problem. It certainly isn't a problem to/for me.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

133. You cant vote for him if he loses the nomination. Planned parenthood targets YOU as

an enemy of their institution by not voting AGAINST the fascists.

[me b zola]

156. I don't understand what your deal is, but lashing out at a sizable group of DUers

in anger is not welcomed by many of us.

Planned Parenthood does not "target ME as an enemy of their institution". Why would you insinuate something so nasty about one of the best institutions in the US? I understand that PP endorsed Hillary, but Hillary has said that she is open to negotiate with anti-choicers. Bernie OTOH has been quite consistent in that he believes that a women's health care is no one's business but hers--Bernie trusts women and is ride or die for the cause of women's reproductive rights.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

159. Excuse me for not wanting GOP in the WH, that is supposed to be considered a nightmare

around here but apparently not by many.

[me b zola]

170. Boundaries

Because you want something badly does not give you the right to begin a call out thread and proceed to fill the response page with repeated personal attacks on DUers. You couldn't make your case to a number of responders so you kept attacking posters experience, knowledge and repeatedly referred to some DUers as children/babies.

Like I said, I don't know what your deal is, but you are out of line.

[me b zola]

176. And you did not address that entire Planned Parenthood "targeting me" thing

That was really weird and odious and I would really like for you to explain that to me.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

178. OH sure, you see they desperately need the Dem to win no matter who it is and if you

wont vote for whoever the Dem is, you are targeting them for destruction, maybe I got that backwards

It is YOU targeting THEM

[me b zola]

181. Okay, I think I'm beginning to see what your deal is

Toodles.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

182. I mean now that Planned Parenthood didnt endorse my candidate, fuck em , right!

That sure is the grown up way to go.

Weird, my candidate is Bernie and they didnt endorse him and I am not telling them to go to hell.

[me b zola]

186. Boundaries

You continue to assign beliefs and words to me that have nothing to do with me. Meanwhile, you still have not explained that weirdness when you said that Planned Parenthood was "targeting" me. What does that even mean?

[merrily]

139. Another one of DU's solid Bernie supporters!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

141. Bet I Knew who he was before you did I can almost guarantee, sent him money before

you did and I support him WAY more than you because unlike some I will do what he does if he loses.

Bernie or bust people dont support Bernie.

[merrily]

143. First, you know nothing about me other than I am a Bernie supporter so don't presume.

I'll let you guess what the second thing is.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

144. That you are a woman? I will never understand how women can KNOW what the GOP will

do to Roe and women's rights and sit here and say they wont vote for Hillary

not in a million years

[merrily]

148. Don't you dare be sexist to me. Also, link me to a post of mine saying I won't vote for Hillary.

I asked you that about a week ago. You provided no link, yet you keep saying or implying I said it. In my book, that makes you quite dishonest.

See also http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=363091

[Jackie Wilson Said]

150. So, if you are not threatening to take your ball and go home, why are we arguing?

You said "which olive branch is Hillary offering us?"

I took that to mean you needed one to vote for her, if not, then fine.

[wendylaroux]

155. the gop won't EVER get rid of r v w,that is their biggest wedge issue.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

157. The old GOP, yes, everything is different now, teaparty made sure of that

[noretreatnosurrender]

162. Yup

[merrily]

167. .

[noretreatnosurrender]

172. Absolutely!

[Hiraeth]

158. She doesn't need those nine million votes, remember. So, what do you care.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

160. Do you have a bag to carry your ball home with you? Easier that way

God help us, please tell me these people were not going to vote in the first place.

[Hiraeth]

161. I live in a red county in a red state. NAFTA made a ghost town out of my community.

I could write in Mickey Mouse and it wouldn't matter.

[pa28]

163. The continuing school yard taunts and ad-hominem attacks will win them over for sure!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

169. And more pouting...if we arent nice you will show us

[pa28]

177. No, I'm afraid you have it wrong.

I've been a loyal, straight ticket Democratic voter for 25 years. Now my vote will have to be earned instead of taken for granted. You seem to be the one having a temper tantrum. Sorry to break it to you.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

180. Earned? Sigh...I think I need to give up now. I think I have come across people

who might be sincere, and if they are, they simply dont understand American politics and what is actually at stake.

Yep, that has to be it, sure some here are GOP plants, but the rest simply dont understand or care.

I mean those who threaten not to vote Democrat, that is.

Oh well.

[Bjorn Against]

165. If you honestly believe you are helping Hillary you are dead wrong

You are doing nothing but burning bridges, whenever I read a post like this it reinforces my decision to vote for Jill Stein. Sorry but you do not own my vote, if you want to win my vote then make your case but don't think attacking people like me is going to help you win us over.

You and everyone else who is going on the attack against people who have doubts about Clinton are going to ensure that lots of people will be switching to the Green Party.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

168. More pouting

[Bjorn Against]

174. You are making it very clear that you don't want my vote

Someone who truly wanted to win my vote would not talk down to me like you are. I will be thinking of you when I cast my vote for Jill Stein.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

175. Me, what do I have to do with it? Dear god, do you not HEAR yourself?

[Bjorn Against]

179. It is not just you the Hillary campaign has been burning bridges left and right

When I read nastiness coming from people like you however it reinforces my opinion that I should vote for Jill Stein and encourage others to vote for her as well. Thank you for motivating me to get out the vote for Stein.

[YouDig]

166. Yeah I don't get it. Some of it is just hurt feelings.

I guess it feels good in a vengeful kind of way to cheer on the "Bernie or Bust" thing, and they want to see the person who beat Bernie lose so that Hillary supporters will feel as bad as they do now. Those are human emotions.

But anyone who is actually going to sit home and let Trump win, I have no idea what they are thinking. What good will that accomplish? It's so obvious that Hillary is so much superior to Trump, compared to Trump the difference between Hillary and Bernie is very small.

[2banon]

173. Compost this garbage and the train it rode in on.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

185. I wish I could be in the room with some of you when Bernie says he will do

everything in his power to prevent GOP from WH.

Wait, he did, TODAY

and yet some of you still claim to support him...

[Sky Masterson]

184. Are we all one Person?

Does the fact that we declare ourselves as democrats mean that we should negate everything we know about a candidate and vote for them out of fear of the alternative? Because, No!
Do we want smart informed voters or do we want them to just accept whatever party hack presented to them and give up evaluating them?
Even though I think She is dreadfully wrong for the Job because of her Blood-thirst for war, I would only vote for her if I lived in a Swing state(Which I don't) . I will vote. I won't stay home.
Maybe she can convince me to vote for her.
It's her job to earn my vote NOT my job to give it to her.

[TM99]

188. You are not adult.

Adults do not talk down, condescend, insult, and demand loyalty of other adults in a democracy.

Yes, they act like this in authoritarian Communist and Fascist regimes, and this speaks volume.

So fine, continue insulting adult voters. Go right ahead and attack us with your arrogant narcissism. Because yes, it is you who are pouting like a small child who can not get their way. Those mean and bad objects out there won't bend to my will. They won't act the way I want them to act. They are acting like they have independent minds and are capable of independent actions even if I don't want them to act this way.

See a therapist, talk to a preacher, ask a partner or friend to listen to you as you run this shit passed them. And listen very carefully to them asking you why you feel the need to act this way, communicate this way, and be as childish as you are.

[Punkingal]

189. Why don't you give it a rest?

FFS

[Betty Karlson]

200. Nope. But Political Establishment My Ass (PEMA) and pushing Bernie's message into a lasting party

yeah, that sound about 'radical' enough to me - a.k.a. sensible.

[Live and Learn]

202. So if the choice was Cheney or Rumsfeld who would you vote for?

Please don't say neither since we know from your OP that is not an option.

And yes, I view the choice you are giving us, as that bad.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

203. That question is from left field but very easy to answer, Cheney. Rummy

likes war for war sake, cheney only for profit so his wars would be limited.

[Orsino]

204. Another goddamned "supporters" thread. n/t

[LanternWaste]

206. I imagine that applies to a relatively small number of both Sanders and Clinton supporters.

I imagine that applies to a relatively small number of both Sanders and Clinton supporters.