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TMontoya

(369 posts)
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:51 AM Apr 2016

Bernie just proved

You have to be more than a candidate of Reddit. He attempted to appeal to anyone beyond the reddit OWS and Iphone crowd. Hopefully after this he will stand with our nominee Hillary Clinton and work together to win in November.

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Bernie just proved (Original Post) TMontoya Apr 2016 OP
Whatever else, his campaign has also proven flor-de-jasmim Apr 2016 #1
No there hasn't TMontoya Apr 2016 #2
Hillary is a right leaning dem. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #3
BS CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #10
Tell us what's the extreme left? pinebox Apr 2016 #62
People of the extreme left are easy to spot CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #72
Ok a question pinebox Apr 2016 #86
I didn't say all of Sanders' supporters are on the far left - most are not CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #98
Meanings of words and ideologies are defined and are not relative, else no dictionary would exist. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #132
Here's the word Cajunblazer was looking for- Ideologue. Sanders and many of his supporters KittyWampus Apr 2016 #138
"They are for every socialist proposal ever made without reservations" Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #87
Yes there is TMontoya Apr 2016 #89
OWS is for EVERY socialist thing EVER. Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #90
Actually they are TMontoya Apr 2016 #95
I never called anyone a communist, because I don't know that would be true... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #100
Also.. everything is corrupt, bought, fun n serious May 2016 #141
And when you stand on the right, you think everything is the extreme left LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #70
I am moderate progressive CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #73
Our government doesn't work because it has been co-opted notadmblnd Apr 2016 #77
Wrong - if corporations "owned" the government it would work fine... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #111
Yeah, corporations would be making loans against perfectly financially sound government agencies notadmblnd Apr 2016 #112
"Wrong - if corporations "owned" the government it would work fine..." Phlem Apr 2016 #135
And yet the dude thinks he is a progressive LondonReign2 May 2016 #143
You can call yourself the Queen of England, doesn't make it true LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #107
You're insulting! You obviously have no clue what my political views are CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #121
How about: Progressive means you don't take $150,000,000 in "speaking fees" from jack_krass Apr 2016 #123
Hell, for $150,000 I'll give a speech to either the KKK or Socialist USA convention CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #127
If you were to then attemp to obtain a position of power over the KKK jack_krass Apr 2016 #130
How about: Progressive means you don't cackle "we came, we say, he died" jack_krass Apr 2016 #124
.... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #129
What does "cackle" mean? MyNameGoesHere Apr 2016 #136
You poor darling. I must apologize. LondonReign2 May 2016 #140
So you support the Third Way then runaway hero Apr 2016 #115
While I certainly don't ascribe to "third way" politics in particular... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #122
Personally... runaway hero Apr 2016 #125
That's too bad.... CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #128
Right but runaway hero Apr 2016 #131
I agree with you 100% fun n serious May 2016 #145
Yes. I just heard Republicans on TV... fun n serious May 2016 #142
Lol,extreme left! You sound like a hill fan. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #74
Then she's the only war-mongering corporate Leftist I know... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #81
Yeah we don't need some loser like Maduro running this country into the ground thankyou snooper2 Apr 2016 #88
Everything looks extreme left when you live on the right side of the political spectrum. frylock Apr 2016 #91
No, she is a left leaning Republican LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #69
Bullshit- She was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress redstateblues Apr 2016 #76
POP QUIZ: Who is THE most liberal Senator in Congress? frylock Apr 2016 #94
We should ask Robert Kagen, Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, and the Koch brothers LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #108
Yes, she is a socially liberal republican. Svafa Apr 2016 #83
And some of her socially liberal positions are of political convenience, i.e., LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #109
You clearly have not been paying attention. Beowulf Apr 2016 #36
his message doesn't ressonate with those who aren't yet awake thebeautifulstruggle Apr 2016 #103
Not to mention the seven-month media blackout Ron Green Apr 2016 #4
If he can't handle this little primary, he'd never survive the GOP. You think THIS was bad? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #6
Hey! Lay off the bird! auntpurl Apr 2016 #11
Glad you saw that ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #25
lol auntpurl Apr 2016 #26
It was a FINCH! Not a sparrow! Oh, no wonder this country is doomed. DOOMED!!! randome Apr 2016 #67
The corporate media treated BS with kit gloves Iliyah Apr 2016 #56
Good analogy ... I remember that! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #57
Making crap up never helps the healing process uponit7771 Apr 2016 #42
Agree Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #52
You don't think caucuses limit the vote? LisaM Apr 2016 #101
He proved the people can fund a candidate. mmonk Apr 2016 #5
A losing candidate nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #7
A relative unknown, versus a rock-star Democrat. Orsino Apr 2016 #24
"That's why I'm backing who the corporations are backing!" n/t JCanete Apr 2016 #63
Can fund a candidate to RUN, not a candidate to WIN. auntpurl Apr 2016 #13
And that is important Gman Apr 2016 #18
Wrong!!! CajunBlazer Apr 2016 #22
Well, "get through a primary" auntpurl Apr 2016 #27
He proved the Roberts court correct, he outspent Hillary and still lost... that's a shame uponit7771 Apr 2016 #43
Yay Roberts' court! frylock Apr 2016 #96
Very disheartening how some of my fellows respond to this. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #44
IN THEORY, I agree. auntpurl Apr 2016 #55
The Obama campaign perfected Howard Dean's online fundraising. The Sanders . . . brush Apr 2016 #82
This is absurd. He's within a few percentage points of beating the most anointed front-runner ever. reformist2 Apr 2016 #8
+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #12
DUrec PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #16
By 3 million more voters than voted for Bernie. auntpurl Apr 2016 #28
She has only been running for 20 years PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #34
She doesn't need any longer at all. She's won it. auntpurl Apr 2016 #35
Your point is? PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #38
Thanks, you too. auntpurl Apr 2016 #39
I am in favour of beating all conservatives all the time PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #40
We've just had 8 years of a Democratic presidency auntpurl Apr 2016 #41
This is false on its face uponit7771 Apr 2016 #46
As arrogant, dismissive, and shamelessly mendacious as their candidate. nt vintx Apr 2016 #80
+10000 zigby Apr 2016 #93
No shit. She was supposed to be inevitable and he was a kooky unknown. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #117
Wall Stree thanks you for your support. Couldn't of done it without you. Broward Apr 2016 #9
Repugs thank you for the smears. seabeyond Apr 2016 #15
Why would you even care when in many areas your ideology aligns. Broward Apr 2016 #68
Again smears. No factuality, just a petulant insult. seabeyond Apr 2016 #75
Wall Street provides the financing for jobs for hundreds of millions of people Gman Apr 2016 #23
Gag. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #30
Why not say, "this plantation provides housing and meals for 100 percent of the slaves on it?" JCanete Apr 2016 #65
Do you have a better way Gman Apr 2016 #92
for starters, don't give credit where its not due, JCanete Apr 2016 #99
Cash is the lifeblood of a business. Gman Apr 2016 #126
It's only lost on the losers of society. beaglelover Apr 2016 #97
Oh yeah, that's right - they're the job creators!!! choie Apr 2016 #133
Most Americans want Wall Street regulated, Sanders can't be trusted to do this after his CFMA vote uponit7771 Apr 2016 #47
Keep doing their bidding. Broward Apr 2016 #64
He didn't do the homework to be taken seriously as a candidate that thought not with frontal lobe of seabeyond Apr 2016 #14
Never logged into reddit... never owned an iPhone. However, my privileged friends who die over ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #17
K&R mcar Apr 2016 #19
I doubt he's going to be a gracious loser, and that's kind of sad. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #20
Agree. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #54
Yet to be seen peggysue2 Apr 2016 #59
Well said, peggysue! MoonRiver Apr 2016 #71
I don't think he expected to do this well. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #21
He absolutely did not. He wanted to run on economic justice and campaign finance reform MadBadger Apr 2016 #31
not helpful MadBadger Apr 2016 #29
Bernie proved that there is no "new politics". CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #32
Good post. auntpurl Apr 2016 #37
This should be its own OP uponit7771 Apr 2016 #48
+1 treestar Apr 2016 #61
so lazy bernie is the new meme, huh? i see it sprinkled throughout this thread... dionysus Apr 2016 #134
Put him down then say he should work with Hillary. You just proved how utterly disrespectful you bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #33
Really, you think he was only a candidate of Reddit? aikoaiko Apr 2016 #45
You sling stereotypes in a unity post? Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #49
His right-wing fans did a lot of damage, IMHO ecstatic Apr 2016 #50
Welcome to DU. peace13 Apr 2016 #51
Too late, they're gone. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #104
The disdain for younger voters is seriously becoming tiresome nt tymorial Apr 2016 #53
I'm for Bernie all the way.....and I have no clue what Reddit is. Armstead Apr 2016 #58
He just proved how the money and leadership are stacked against progressives. n/t Orsino Apr 2016 #60
perpetual victimhood redstateblues Apr 2016 #78
He embraces all us victims of capitalism... Orsino Apr 2016 #79
Go Bernie liberal from boston Apr 2016 #120
Maybe I can go back to reddit and post again Dem2 Apr 2016 #66
everyone will get to vote in the general. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #84
His campaign has proven... WiffenPoof Apr 2016 #85
PSA: TMontoya has been shown the door. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #102
Posting Privileges Revoked Autumn Apr 2016 #105
Kick Autumn Apr 2016 #106
You're in a Puglover Apr 2016 #113
That I am my Darlin. This troll was one of the nastiest and there another obvious one Autumn Apr 2016 #119
He is anti trump so will support Hillary. but in the general. the independents larkrake Apr 2016 #110
Wait, what do iphones signify again? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #114
Oh yes, that's exactly what Bernie was. A candidate of Reddit. WOW. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #116
"Previously banned", huh? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #118
if at first you don't succeed...TM apparently worked at perfecting his/her craft... islandmkl Apr 2016 #137
Reddit consistently overestimates its relevance in the real world. IamMab Apr 2016 #139
I don't think Sanders won 18 states with only the votes of Reddit users. NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #144

flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)
1. Whatever else, his campaign has also proven
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:05 AM
Apr 2016

that extreme lengths the powers that be will go to. There has been massive attempts this cycle to limit the vote, game the system, misuse technology, not count or miscount the vote, alter voter machine behavior, etc. I am not blaming anyone's supporters, and the results may well have come out similarly, but this election should be a wake up call to ALL who cherish open and free elections. Drastic action needs to be taken.

 

TMontoya

(369 posts)
2. No there hasn't
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:06 AM
Apr 2016

There is no grand conspiracy against Bernie. His ideas simply do not resonate with Democrats. Nothing more.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
72. People of the extreme left are easy to spot
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:26 PM
Apr 2016

1) They are for every socialist proposal ever made without reservations

2) They believe that they are ideologically pure.

3) They believe that only they understand the right path, and everyone else is ignorant, misguided or most likely a conservative.

4) They refuse to compromise even when it is their best interest

I could go on, but they are easy to spot when you understand their profile

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
86. Ok a question
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:07 PM
Apr 2016

Wouldn't everyone technically be a conservative compared to the extreme left? See what I did there?

FYI Bernie supporters aren't the extreme left either, that would be Moa, Gurrera, and entities like FARC.
If you're thinking that then the entire world is the extreme left as social democracies rule the roost in first world countries. Last I heard, Sweden & Canada were not North Korea.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
98. I didn't say all of Sanders' supporters are on the far left - most are not
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

I said that many of Bernie's most zealous supporters are of the far left, and I have seen absolutely nothing to dispute that statement. I think that you have correctly categorized entities like FARC as extreme left; they are Marxist–Leninists engaging in a civil war.

"Far left" is a relative term depending on which country is referenced. In this country some of Sanders supporters are as far left as people get in this country without being all out communist.

These are the people who have made it very clear from the start that they would not vote for the Democratic nominee unless that nominee is Bernie Sanders. They consider themselves "too liberal" to be Democrats and normally vote for the Green Party candidate who is generally someone who is not equipped in any way to be President. They would rather engage in useless protests instead of insuring that the unfortunate in this country are properly cared for, thus violating the most important progressive principle. In my book they are useless human beings.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
138. Here's the word Cajunblazer was looking for- Ideologue. Sanders and many of his supporters
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

especially on DU are Ideologues.


i·de·o·logue/ˈīdēəˌlôɡ,ˈidēəˌlôɡ/
noun

1: an impractical idealist : theorist
2: an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
87. "They are for every socialist proposal ever made without reservations"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

So there is no extreme left, because that seems like a straw man that reflects no actual person ever.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
90. OWS is for EVERY socialist thing EVER.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

Try again.

And if you stopped the red baiting, that would be great, too (which was my point in case you missed it).

 

TMontoya

(369 posts)
95. Actually they are
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

I've heard interviews with some of those who were at the park at the time. Some believing we should just do away with "money" entirely. I'm sorry but that is nonsense thinking. They all rail against evil corporations while texting away on their Apple products (which btw Apple is one of most greedy corporations out there). OWS has done nothing but be a stain on the Democratic party.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
100. I never called anyone a communist, because I don't know that would be true...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

Your projecting your assumption on my written words.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
73. I am moderate progressive
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:34 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:59 PM - Edit history (1)

And I think the far right and the far left are more alike than they will ever admit and are both great dangers to this country.

They are both the reasons why our government doesn't work because they both try to elect candidates so far to the left or right that gridlock is the natural result. Not even the most fundamental things required of government don't get done.

I put the zealots on both the far left and the far right in the same category - worse than useless.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
77. Our government doesn't work because it has been co-opted
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

by multi national corporations. Hard for a government to work for the people when most elected official are bought and paid for by corporations, including your gal Hillary.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
111. Wrong - if corporations "owned" the government it would work fine...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:05 PM
Apr 2016

,,, not the way I would want it to work, but it would work seamlessly. The President, the Senate and the House would all be on the same page. Every bill would be proposed, written, passed and signed without any problems. Again, the results would not be what I would

Instead what we have is gridlock. So I call BS on your statement.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
112. Yeah, corporations would be making loans against perfectly financially sound government agencies
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

pocketing the money, filing bankruptcy and walking away leaving me and you to foot the bill.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
143. And yet the dude thinks he is a progressive
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016


I guess it is the Rovian rebranding of the word "progressive" to mean right-of-center pro-corporate foreign policy hawks.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
107. You can call yourself the Queen of England, doesn't make it true
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:30 PM
Apr 2016

Pretending to be progressive and being copacetic with Robert Kagen, Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, and the Koch Brothers...utterly Rovian.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
121. You're insulting! You obviously have no clue what my political views are
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

Obviously in your book "progressive"= "left wing zealot". It is also apparent that you don't realize that progressives who aren't as liberal as you are, and even moderates who are left of center, should be viewed as your potential allies instead of your enemies. There are far fewer of you than there are of us, and you kind are not going to ever win a natural election on your own.

You view the political world through a distorted prism of your own making. You should distrust anything you perceive until you break out of your ideologically pure shell and join the real world.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
123. How about: Progressive means you don't take $150,000,000 in "speaking fees" from
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:51 PM
Apr 2016

the people you'll be making laws to regulate.

Hillary Clinton is *not* a progressive, though she does play one on TV ("you can fool some of the people all the time&quot

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
127. Hell, for $150,000 I'll give a speech to either the KKK or Socialist USA convention
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

They may not like the speech, but if they want to pay me, I'll take their money so they can't spend on something more dangerous. And it wouldn't affect the way I vote one iota. I suspect you would too.

When Sanders was asked in a debate to provide one example where accepting payment for speeches adversely affected the actions Hillary made or the decision she made and he was speechless. That's because she has been more active than Sanders in reigning the abuse of major corporations.

If accepting money for campaigns from corporations and special interest groups is a sin, then everyone from Obama down is guilty. Sanders is guilty because he accepted money from the NRA during his first congressional campaign.

Sanders also fully supported John Kerry's run for the Presidency and Kerry took corporate money for his campaign. It certainly didn't bother St. Bernie then, but now its a big deal when his opponent does the same thing. Doesn't that make your candidate a hypocrite?

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
130. If you were to then attemp to obtain a position of power over the KKK
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

Then people would be 100% within their rights to question your motives, and whether that 150,000 was pre payment for future services.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
140. You poor darling. I must apologize.
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:46 PM
May 2016

I didn't know it was so easy to hurt you feelings.

Nonetheless, you support a candidate backed by Robert Kagen, Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, and the Koch Brothers. Yet you think you are a progressive. Yet you pretend that = progressive. As I said, claim you are the Queen of England all you want, doesn't make it true.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
122. While I certainly don't ascribe to "third way" politics in particular...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

... any path but the two proposed by the tea partiers on the right and their mirror image clones on the left has to be better for the country. The paths of both extremes lead to disaster.

Throughout its history this country has rode a political pendulum which very slowly swings from right to left and then back again. Every time it swings too far to the left or to the right, the voters wisely sense the dangers of the extremes and the pendulum slows and and then starts back in the other direction. The state desired by the far left and the far right are never achieved and one side or the other is always ticked off that the other side is temporary winning.

My observations indicate that the pendulum has been swinging to the left for sometime now, but beware, those like me in the center will never let it too far left or too far right and we have far superior numbers.

runaway hero

(835 posts)
125. Personally...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:57 PM
Apr 2016

I believe progressivism is something that is needed to move forward. I know why Bernie's fans are mad. They tried this last time, and OWS ended up being a bust, because haf the party was not behind them. I think people are, in a way, sick of the middle, sick of the stauts quo.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
128. That's too bad....
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:30 PM
Apr 2016

While the country shifts to left and then to the right and back again over extended lengths of time, it never strays too far from the middle where most of its citizens have resided since the founding of this republic. Those on the far left and far right will thus never be satisfied.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
145. I agree with you 100%
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

Some here on DU have been rallying against Obama and calling an end to the status quo. IMO this is the best we have had it in decades so give me more status quo.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
142. Yes. I just heard Republicans on TV...
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

talking about how they have not seen a conservative republican since the 80's.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
81. Then she's the only war-mongering corporate Leftist I know...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

I think you're confused on just where the center is... Try moving WAAAAAAY left...

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
76. Bullshit- She was one of the most liberal Senators in Congress
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

ask any Republican if she is one of them. Foolishness

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
108. We should ask Robert Kagen, Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, and the Koch brothers
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

if she is one of them.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
109. And some of her socially liberal positions are of political convenience, i.e.,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:33 PM
Apr 2016

only coming around on gay marriage when is was politically advantageous.

 
103. his message doesn't ressonate with those who aren't yet awake
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

to who the 2 main parties serve together

and wth is Clinton's message? seriously...all i've heard is her trying to piggyback her husband, Obama, and tell us everything else is too hard to even try

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. If he can't handle this little primary, he'd never survive the GOP. You think THIS was bad?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:33 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie would be eaten alive. A well-funded GOP vs a candidate who'd willingly run a pauper's campaign? He'd be a bug on the windshield of the GOP's Mack-Truck. He'd be a sparrow getting sucked into a 747's engine. No contest. Game over, man, game over!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
67. It was a FINCH! Not a sparrow! Oh, no wonder this country is doomed. DOOMED!!!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
56. The corporate media treated BS with kit gloves
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

They remind me of that scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark in the cave when finally they opened up the ark and lord behold a beautiful angelic women came forth and then seconds later turned into a hideous evil monster.

LisaM

(27,801 posts)
101. You don't think caucuses limit the vote?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:41 PM
Apr 2016

Many of the Hillary supporters I know in Washington did their best to avoid the caucus because we didn't want to be bullied the way we were in 2008. This year I sent in an affidavit because they held it on Easter weekend, which was also ridiculous.

If I didn't live in a caucus state, I might have a little more sympathy with your position, but I simply do not hear the Sanders' people getting up in arms about the caucuses. Ours had four excuses: work, disability, military, and religion. No mention of, say, transportation, family issues (such as being a caregiver), or anything else. Some states with caucuses don't even allow any excuses for not attending. And, if the voting for delegates went to a second round here, the affidavits were tossed.

Compare this to not being able to vote in a primary for a party you're not even a member of? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
24. A relative unknown, versus a rock-star Democrat.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders is the proof of concept we never knew we were waiting for. He saw the hunger for change, and is successfully crowd-sourcing...even if we could never quite catch up with the Establishment juggernaut. This time.

The need for change only grows when we fail to implement it. Sanders dared to be the first, and he won't be the last.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
18. And that is important
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

But until CU is overturned, it's not enough to compete.

That's one of many reasons why the next prez must be a Dem to appointment Scalia's replacement.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
22. Wrong!!!
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

He proved that he could get through a primary, that's all.

The money he raised is but a fraction of what the Koch brothers and their friends are willing to fund their PAC's in the general election. GE's now cost north of $1 Billion dollars. Until we get the big money out of Presidential elections, small private donations amounting to a individual maximum of $2,500 per election is not going to cut it.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
27. Well, "get through a primary"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

depends on your definition. He proved you can LOSE a primary.

But your larger point is exactly right.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
44. Very disheartening how some of my fellows respond to this.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

I for one find it extremely admirable that Bernie funded the way he did. It's worthy of nothing short of respect. It was one of the main things about him that really had me leaning towards switching support during this primary season several times.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
55. IN THEORY, I agree.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

But until the laws change, no one has proven that you can WIN without some big money channels. Once the laws change and NO ONE is allowed them, then we will see what we will see.

I for one am not prepared to get our asses kicked in the GE by the fucking Koch brothers out of ideological purity.

brush

(53,764 posts)
82. The Obama campaign perfected Howard Dean's online fundraising. The Sanders . . .
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

campaign followed up on those two earlier online methods.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
8. This is absurd. He's within a few percentage points of beating the most anointed front-runner ever.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:45 AM
Apr 2016

To crap all over what he's managed to do shows a weird need to dismiss what all these voters are saying - that they reject what the party what serving up.
 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
34. She has only been running for 20 years
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

How much longer does she need?

An upstart grass roots candidate should never have made it this far, if she was a good candidate.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
40. I am in favour of beating all conservatives all the time
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

Sadly, it does not ever happen. This year was the best hope I have had in my life though.

zigby

(125 posts)
93. +10000
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:25 PM
Apr 2016

I'll be throwing my support behind Hillary, but it has been truly inspiring to watch an absolutely unknown senator peddling democratic socialism go up against the most powerful political brand since Kennedy.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
23. Wall Street provides the financing for jobs for hundreds of millions of people
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016

Why is that lost on so many?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
65. Why not say, "this plantation provides housing and meals for 100 percent of the slaves on it?"
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:01 PM
Apr 2016

It's not like Wall Street does this because the people who operate within it are philanthropists. When communities are being bled dry and corporations are getting richer, its real rich that you would make such a transparent comment about the good work our financial institutions do.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
92. Do you have a better way
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:22 PM
Apr 2016

For folks to put a roof over their family's heads or food on the table?

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
99. for starters, don't give credit where its not due,
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:32 PM
Apr 2016

wall street needs workers to make those profits. Don't frame the argument that wall street is giving people jobs.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
126. Cash is the lifeblood of a business.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:03 PM
Apr 2016

You can't change that. Wall Street provides most if the cash necessary to run a business and create jobs. Without Wall Street we are a very poor country without basic necessities.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
47. Most Americans want Wall Street regulated, Sanders can't be trusted to do this after his CFMA vote
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:08 AM
Apr 2016
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. He didn't do the homework to be taken seriously as a candidate that thought not with frontal lobe of
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

brain. He had a shot, but he did it the lazy way. Stay on point of what he has discussed for five decades. Do not become more knowledge, stepping into a position one has to be well rounded. Listen to no one.

He didn't do the work needed. Simply stood in front of people and talked. That is his passion a lifetime. I can see a lot of worth in that, but not as president.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
17. Never logged into reddit... never owned an iPhone. However, my privileged friends who die over
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

their iPhones think Hillary is the bomb. It has become an issue of class, and I can't afford your candidate. I hope he is the nominee. And that's all I will say about that.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
20. I doubt he's going to be a gracious loser, and that's kind of sad.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

It is frankly becoming demeaning and humiliating for him to keep attacking the Democratic presumptive nominee and giving talking points to the presumptive Republican nominee. This bodes very poorly for Sanders' legacy.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
59. Yet to be seen
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

I've said this from the start that Sanders had a very hard example to follow in how to concede graciously. I'm still amazed at how Hillary Clinton shifted gears and then campaigned her heart out for Barack Obama and down ticket Democrats.

We will soon see Bernie Sanders--the man--and what sort of mettle he's genuinely made of because losing is hard, heart-breaking. It takes a lot of grit to shake yourself off and do what's right. I'm hoping Sanders rises to the occasion, We need every voice, every hand on deck for a November win.

The alternative is absolutely unthinkable.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
21. I don't think he expected to do this well.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

If he did his campaign would have been run differently.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
31. He absolutely did not. He wanted to run on economic justice and campaign finance reform
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:44 AM
Apr 2016

He was probably hoping to advance those issues, and then nobody actually ran against Hillary.

The way he frames his speeches and openings of debates definitely lead me to believe this.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
32. Bernie proved that there is no "new politics".
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

The most important way to win support and win elections is to go state to state, town to town, and talk to the voters about the issues they care about. You have to tailor your message to fit the people you're talking to. You can't give the same speech to rural Nebraska and urban Baltimore, and expect to get the same results. They say all politics is local, and Bernie's inability to hone his pitch to the audience has proven that.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
37. Good post.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

I'm always surprised to see Bernie supporters touting those pics of huge rallies with Bernie giving his same old stump speech, and then making fun of Hillary's smaller crowds at her events, where she is actually TALKING to people. You know, what people used to call CAMPAIGNING.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
33. Put him down then say he should work with Hillary. You just proved how utterly disrespectful you
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

are to the only honest candidate running for President.Yes he is still running in the primary. I donated and will continue to donate all the way to CA.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
45. Really, you think he was only a candidate of Reddit?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

I can see why your political analysis skills led you to support HRC.
 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
49. You sling stereotypes in a unity post?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

Gods, what are they teaching you people at orientation? You either bait, or you appeal for unity, but not in the same post.

ecstatic

(32,682 posts)
50. His right-wing fans did a lot of damage, IMHO
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

I'm not referring to all his supporters, I'm talking about the ones who were never democrats or even liberal, but liked Bernie's message. I won't pretend like I've ever been a big fan of Bernie's, but there were moments early on where I felt myself softening up and being more receptive to him (based on him expanding his platform, etc).

But suddenly the BernieBros were completely out of control! Then Bernie started showing a rude and arrogant side as well. That's not going to attract new support from democrats--maybe republicans, but definitely not democrats. Had he stayed positive and reeled in his trolls, we might be having a different discussion right now.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
58. I'm for Bernie all the way.....and I have no clue what Reddit is.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

This sounds like another version of conservative hippie bashing.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
66. Maybe I can go back to reddit and post again
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:02 PM
Apr 2016

Place has been a Bernie/Trump or BUST site for months now - the vote-briggading there smothered any alternate perspectives completely. It basically showed that reddit has a major issue in how it's voting system can be abused.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
119. That I am my Darlin. This troll was one of the nastiest and there another obvious one
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:59 PM
Apr 2016

I'm gonna sit and watch to see if that mess is cleaned up.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
110. He is anti trump so will support Hillary. but in the general. the independents
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:36 PM
Apr 2016

which make up 1/3rd of the electorate by the way, will be forced to choose.They cannot vote in closed primaries, so do not be saying Hillary has more votes-she does not. Indies are folks who are not reactionary, rather they do their homework, are thinkers and are neither blue nor red so are our revolution voters, the future. The "Partys" are just the corrupt teams filled with dominant liars, users and takers(Congress) and the Indies have only two reps in the senate.Both are really well liked as humans.

The DNC will be stupid and will let Hillary take the nom, But she is handicapped.

Hillary does not inspire enthusiasm, in fact she inspires nausea,because;

She did nothing in the senate but name a post office, a street and a school. She is only known for corruption and corporate loyalties, a bad marriage and a shady Foundation. No one has faith in her decision making or leadership abilities.Congress will not support her ideas or legislation any more than Obama's, in fact, most of the Dems wont support her.World leaders consider her a non-entity.

She cannot defend herself against Trumps exaggerations. He is a master at creating doubt. She is a master of only revenge.Her lies are sooooo obvious, Trump lies plant seeds of doubt.

Trump has a record of successes when Hillary has known so many defeats.

No, I do not admire Trump- hes a sick man who hates women, minorities and equality. Yet the hard fact is he inspires voters to show up- Hillary doesn't.

Bernie is a good man, has no criminal past, inspires men, women, minorities, reasonable repubs, dems and most of the Independents. He can defend against anything Trump throws at him, cant be baited, and isnt unknown. Congress will listen because he knows their skeletons. Even if he just gets the ball rolling on his issues, its better than Hillary's corporate loyalties, and general ignorance of reality.

I have lived all over the world. With either Hill or Trump, I see the US becoming even more of a tar pit, dragging everyone down, infrastructure and environment wont be addressed, it will bring the extinction of mankind over the edge

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
137. if at first you don't succeed...TM apparently worked at perfecting his/her craft...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 09:09 AM
Apr 2016


ala Wesley: 'see ya...wouldn't want to be ya...'
 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
139. Reddit consistently overestimates its relevance in the real world.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

They are the "front page" of the Internet's emo diary, and that's about it.

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