2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton is *NOT* for pot legalization.
I'm sick of her sycophants spreading this lie. Hillary is for changing pot from a SCHEDULE-I drug to a SCHEDULE-II drug (SCHEDULE-II is the same as Morphine, Cocaine, and Methamphetamine). This keeps it *highly* illegal, with long prison terms possible for even possession (just as they are for Cocaine, another SCHEULDE-II drug).
The only effective change is that this means Marijuana, and derivatives could be used as medicine, as it is illegal to use any Schedule-I substance as medicine.
So why is Hillary for this?
-Out of the goodness of her heart? No
-Because it will help people? No
-So we can research this more(as the article implies)? No
-Because it would help Big Pharma? (and keep Big Prison happy) BINGO!!!!!!!
The Pharma industry likes this move because it allows them to market the active ingredient, and make derivatives, while keeping the raw plant *highly* illegal (refer to Opium Poppy for the gameplan). The prison industry loves this because it doesn't slow down the flow of (mostly minority) new inmates..
Don't it just touch your heart how well our government works together with our Pharma and Prison corporations? (and against our people) Almost brings a team to my eye.
Seriously, this enrages me and I have to laugh to keep from hitting something. Marijuana should be COMPLETELY UNSCHEDULED federally, like alcohol.
vt_native
(484 posts)Think of all the lives ruined.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And has the 4th highest black incarceration rate in America.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)But not surprising.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because for all its flaws, VT is probably going to put it through sooner rather than later, while NY implements another one of these state medical marijuana regimes where the stuff is harder to obtain than plutonium.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)and the prison industrial complex.
beedle
(1,235 posts)on the backs of the 'super-predator' class.
insta8er
(960 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Substitute "The Democratic Party" for "Bob Rumsford", and "reviling the Republicans" for "shouting at the rain."
As for why ostensible 'liberals' support Clinton?
President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had Presidents who were beloved who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand 'cause they're thirsty. They drink the sand 'cause they don't know the difference.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Someone's getting bullshitted.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Here are some important points made by Black Lives Matter Activist Ashley Williams:
Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.
The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.
Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Here's a hint: It wasn't Hillary Clinton.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I would be pretty offended at the insinuation you're making here that, somehow, POC are just naturally destined for prison. While I certainly accept that there is an unfair rate of incarceration for POC.
And, that one issue aside, POC themselves have stated on this site numerous times that they are not one-issue candidates. There are many reasons for POC to support Hillary Clinton. Heck, a POC who owns a corporation and is anti-abortion might even choose a Republican candidate. Why is it that any group of people must somehow have a template for who they should vote for. It's so condescending and trivializing, not only of POC as a whole, but of the individual who may identify with any number of different policy positions.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)You can't be against incarceration of minorities AND FOR the stupid and arbitrary laws that disproportionately put minorities behind bars.
But Clinton is a master of having it both ways, and it is to our great suffering that her supporters/paid shills allow/leverage it.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)they have decimated the 4th amendment over it
basically they lock up half the population while bankrupting the other half to pay for it
win/win for the 1%
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)But everything I already said answered your points.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Response to jack_krass (Original post)
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MADem
(135,425 posts)Already most states have reduced it to a revenue enhancer. Get caught, get a ticket, pay a fine. Soon even that will go by the wayside.
It was so CRAZY illegal in Jamrock--even though everyone I know down there does it. If you get caught you simply bribe the po-leezman.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Sorry, but this has to be done Federally, and NOW. We can't continue this ridiculous system where it's legal in a couple states, illegal at the Federal, and quasi-legal in other states. This gets you arbitrary enforcement, where prosecutors have the power to prosecute you, but usually don't, but could if they don't like the way you look or something.
I'll fight for federal legalization. You go ahead and keep bribing cops while the grown-ups do the heavy work.
MADem
(135,425 posts)in fact, that was the argument he used when he argued, in 2006--for civil unions rather than marriage for VT during his first Senate run. Look it up--CSPAN carried that debate.
And "States' rights" is the argument Bernie Sanders uses when he pooh-poohs federal gun legislation.
Now...what was that you were saying about advocacy?
You seem to mistake having sufficient literacy to read the handwriting on the wall for advocacy.
You really shouldn't do that, as it shows you to be an imprecise thinker.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)please start another thread. I'll be happy to teach you some lessons there as well (if you;re wrong)
MADem
(135,425 posts)of a conversation where your misstatements have overwhelmed even you!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)I don't think so.
Big Pharma is richer than Big Cannabis, and they already have their hooks into Hillary(ie they've already bought her). What I see happening is Big Pharma developing products from derivatives of THC, and keeping the plant illegal, like Opium and Oxy/Hydro/etc.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)when the crime bill put a hundred thousand cops on the street it supposedly was to fight crack but 99 times out of a hundred it was pot busts
obama has not pushed for mj busts so people forget but the clintons will never allow mj to become legal, never, never,never
she is too tied to the for profit prison industry and big pharma
how do i know this?
because i remember what they have done before
she started the campaign being against even medical, said she wanted more research,nothing has changed
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)To arrest people for pot smoking, etc.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)the entire thing is so stupid
we have money problems and taxing weed is the easiest way out
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"parallel construction"-- call me old fashioned, but I always thought "lying in court" was against the law.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)but like torture, no one was punished so i guess it is okey dokey now
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reddread
(6,896 posts)SalviaBlue
(2,916 posts)"Seriously, this enrages me and I have to laugh to keep from hitting something. Marijuana should be COMPLETELY UNSCHEDULED federally, like alcohol. "
I agree with you completely!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Understand either millennials or the country west of the rockies.
And i support sanders on this- call the drug war a failure, deschedule cannabis; its not just the right thing to do, its the politically savvy one. The only people outside the DEA who still support the drug war are chris christie (and look how well HE did) and debbie wasserman schultz.
That said, hillary's answers on this (this time around, at least) could have been worse. If she doesnt take a radically different tack from obama, legalization will keep moving forward state by state, and the momentum will only build for it nationally.