So, is this what Hillary means when she refers to supporting the down ticket?

[Else You Are Mad]

It looks like Mayor Bill De Blasio illegally financed some Democratic candidates in NY and now is being investigated...

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/de-blasio-team-broke-campaign-donation-laws-nyt/

So, please explain to me how why we question how party funds are laundered... Err I mean donated is not a legitimate issue again...

[djean111]

1. IMO all of the bullshit about Hillary supporting the down-ticket but Bernie is not - is, well,

bullshit. Remember - accuse your opponent of doing what you are already doing. perfect example.

And yes - party funds are laundered. Right back up to Hillary. DWS has quite the little scheme going.

[Else You Are Mad]

3. Bingo nt

[procon]

4. I read the article, but there's no mention of Clinton anywhere.

You made this up, yeah?


So, as fantasy fan fiction goes, you didn't even try very hard, so your writing either needs more quantifiable substance, or more magic beans.

[Else You Are Mad]

6. What?

You didn't even do a good job here with your obfuscation. I never accused Hillary of anything nefarious, I just said that she has accused Sanders of not financially supporting down ticket Democrats. By linking to the article I did, I was showing an example of alleged illegal activities of those that have done so.

Using even a rudimentary level of reading comprehension, you would realize that what I posted was not an attack on Hillary at all, rather, it is a response to why Sanders doesn't give blanket donations to 'down ticket candidates' and why the intraparty shifting of funds isn't always legal.

But, feel free to try to reframe what I said again. Maybe the spaghetti you throw will stick to the wall next time.

[procon]

7. In your mad zeal to blame Clinton for something,

you're connecting imaginary dots and making unsubstantiated conjectures. Now you're suddenly adding Bernie Sanders name even though he was never included in your OP, or in the article you cited, and going totally off track and making irrelevant excuses Sanders for not supporting Democrats. THAT's reframing.

C'mon, you made a poorly reasoned decision to fabricate a completely illogical and unjustifiable conjecture with no basis in fact. You got called and there's no defence for such an obvious falsehood. If that's your thing, go find something to throw at Clinton that at least has a thread of veracity linking the tale to something that actually occurred.

[Else You Are Mad]

8. I think Clinton has nothing to do with it!

Let me make this clear: Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with what De Blasio is allegedly accused of, nor was she involved in any illegal campaign activities nor has she ever done so.

I am not accusing Clinton, the DNC, DWS or any other person that is involved with the Hillary campaign of anything.

People ask why Sanders does not unilaterally donate to down ticket Democrats, I posted this to show why he doesn't. Mayor DE Blasio And not Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is innocent in this allegedly funneled money illegally to upstate Democratic candidates. Sanders does not want money used in such an allegedly illegal and immoral manner.

Does that help, or can you spin it in some manner that I am attacking Hillary Clinton?

[dlwickham]

9. What the fuck does this have to do with Hillary

If I was a Bern bro I'd be more concerned with those lies Bernie has been passing off as campaign finance reports

[Else You Are Mad]

10. The has nothing to do with Hillary

This is a real world example of why Sanders doesn't unilaterally donate down ticket because the money could potentionally be use in this allegedly illegal manner.

HILLARY DOESN'T DO THIS NOR AM I INPLYING SHE HAS

I was just giving one reason why Sanders doesn't unilaterally give his donation money down ticket -- a question asked of him by Clinton supporters. this is a response to a frequently asked question by Hillary and her supporters and I am not implying she does this

[dlwickham]

11. What utter bullshit

Where has he said that

[Else You Are Mad]

12. In every speech against money in politics.

He is against illegal funding of candidates.

Please note:


HILLARY WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE ALLEGED DE BLASIO SITUATION NOR HAVE I IMPLIED THAT SHE HAS EVER VIOLATED ANY CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS

[dlwickham]

13. He said that he won't raise money for down ticket candidates

He said that he won't raise money for down ticket candidates because the money might be used illegally?

Link?

[Else You Are Mad]

14. Yes, because he is against the corruption it brings...

And violating campaign finance laws seems pretty corrupt to me. Do I really need to provide a link where he calls out DE Blasio specifically?

[Gwhittey]

15. You

It is almost like person you are arguing with never even listened to one of Sanders speeches. OR know anything about him. I wonder if the paid Hillary online trolls are required to know a bit about Sanders first. Or do think they just have a list of talking points.

[Else You Are Mad]

18. I will never accuse someone

Of being a paid troll ever. But, the inferences are strong in this thread.

[snowy owl]

25. I will. When they seem to lack any logic/intelligence I'll let 'em know what I think.

They throw this probably HRC-created "bernie-bro" meme around. If they can throw it, they can take it.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/31/the-bernie-bros-narrative-a-cheap-false-campaign-tactic-masquerading-as-journalism-and-social-activism/

The “Bernie Bros” Narrative: a Cheap Campaign Tactic Masquerading as Journalism and Social Activism

HRC supporters have reached new lows under Brock. Don't be fooled by them. Never lie and never slime but tell the truth and accusing them of trolling is truth. And Bernie does not do it.

[merrily]

33. Jury results.

Mail Message
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You
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1826099

REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Accusing somebody who has been here for 4 years of being a paid troll is very rude the ott vitriol needs to stop

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Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the alerter; these stupid accusations have got to stop. Just because someone disagrees with Bernie Sanders doesn't mean he or she is a "paid troll." Stop!
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Explanation: There is NO accusation of any individual. We know there are paid online Hillary supporters. Brock put out a press release. Cut it out, alerter.
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[brooklynite]

16. So you're saying Sanders can't figure out which candidates are worth supporting?

[Else You Are Mad]

17. Really?

Please show me where I said that. Also, please link to where that was said.

[brooklynite]

19. "I was just giving one reason why Sanders doesn't unilaterally give his donation money down ticket"

Why is that a reason if Sanders is able to identify ethical candidates?

[Else You Are Mad]

20. Sanders only gives to those candidates he has vetted.

That is why it takes a while for him to endorse a candidate.


No, I don't have a link. Just re-listen to his speeches.

[brooklynite]

21. A grand total of three:

All of whom have conveniently endorsed him?

At this pace, better get started on 2018...

[Else You Are Mad]

26. This is about the violation of election finance laws.

And not about any endorsements.

[snowy owl]

28. Why should he decide for me or anybody else. Typical HRC response. HRC do your thinking for you?

Find an issue and try to argue it.

[emulatorloo]

29. Then change the title of your thread.

Problem solved.

[Else You Are Mad]

36. The title is apt.

Bernie is always asked by Hillary and her supporters why he doesn't indiscriminately hand out money for down ticket. He always responds because he does not want the money to be used in illegal or immoral ways. This article allegedly shows that donated party money has been used in ways contrary to election laws. Thus, the subject is exactly as it should be.

[emulatorloo]

37. No, the DeBlasio issue has nothing to do with HRC as you yourself have said.

Leaving HRC in the title implies it does.

[Else You Are Mad]

38. Let me say this again.

Hillary and her surrogates ask why Sanders doesn't unilaterally give his money to 'down ticket candidates'. Sanders doesn't because he wants to get money out of politics because it corrupts and allegedly causes people to violate the law.

So, an example to prove an answer to a question posed by Hillary and her camp by all means has a place in this forum.

[emulatorloo]

39. Okay n/t

[merrily]

34. If I were a Hillary supporter, I'd be more concerned with the finances of the Clinton Foundation

and so many other things that with the donations from ordinary citizens Bernie has been getting. I would also give up the tired "Bernie Bro."


Well that was a pointless game. What shall we play next?

[fleabiscuit]

40. Straw man. eom

[merrily]

42. Congrats You just proved you have no idea what "straw man" means. But fret not.

I'm here for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[fleabiscuit]

43. ad hominem eom

[stevenleser]

22. As others have pointed out to you, the DeBlasio issue has nothing to do with Hillary. You even

acknowledged as much.

If you want to discuss the DeBlasio issue you should repost in GD and omit Hillary's name.

This OP makes no sense as an attack on Hillary.

[Else You Are Mad]

23. Okay.

So, you imply that you have read the comments from this thread, if you did, please tell me why you haven't noticed the bolded text in every response where I said specifically that Hillary was not involved in this?

Thanks, I will be waiting.

ETA: this is in the primary forum because it is an example of what Sanders has been fighting against.

[stevenleser]

24. Okay.

So, you imply that you read my comment and didn't notice that I specifically said you acknowledged that Hillary wasn't involved in this?

Thanks, I will be waiting.

[Else You Are Mad]

27. I know, sorry. Please see my ETA.

Sorry about that.

[snowy owl]

30. It is typical of establishment politics. The status quo. Politics as usual. Your choice not mine.

[stevenleser]

31. Nope. It is a red herring that has nothing to do with Hillary. Your choice to use logical fallacies.

Not mine.

[loyalsister]

32. It's completely legitimate

When I learned that two Democrats in my state co-sponsored bills to ensure the confederate flag could fly in state parks, and a myriad of other republican bills, I stopped donating to the state committee and didn't renew state party membership.
I donate time and money directly to candidates I support. I think it is going to take more of that kind of engagement to force change.

[fleabiscuit]

41. Where is the story link that rawsorry is attributing to the 'Times.' eom