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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:06 PM Apr 2016

WATCH Hillary Shill-Bot Joy Reid Get Testy With Jeff Weaver As She Pushes The Clinton Talking-Points



Its beyond beyond obvious at what's going on with MSNBC Hosts.....The Shills have their marching orders......

Bernie Sanders Campaign Manager, Jeff Weaver, talks to MSNBC’s Joy Reid about Sanders continued fight for the nomination and Clinton’s pushing her stance on gun reform in recent weeks.
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WATCH Hillary Shill-Bot Joy Reid Get Testy With Jeff Weaver As She Pushes The Clinton Talking-Points (Original Post) Segami Apr 2016 OP
MSNBC is nothing more than a Shill-Fest Network... Segami Apr 2016 #1
She's right though. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #4
Not really. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #61
Here is someone else that doesn't agree with Joy. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #63
Joy Reid Is One Of The Biggest POS's on MSNBC! Total Effing SHILL FoR Hillary! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #65
Where The Fuck Did THEY Find Joy Reid? Before This Year I NEVER Heard of Her! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #60
Yeah everyone is out to get Bernie... JaneyVee Apr 2016 #2
I wonder which stage this one is in? CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #3
Bravo Joy!!!!! UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #5
you seriously underestimate Weaver. grasswire Apr 2016 #7
BROCKWURST! FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #13
Served piping hot with a side order of steamed Brockalini Segami Apr 2016 #15
why does Joy think it's her job to push Hillary? grasswire Apr 2016 #6
she's been handling the campaign like a gossip reporter IMO azurnoir Apr 2016 #16
Playing back Weaver and Bernie's own words? all american girl Apr 2016 #26
Did you know that picture you use as an avatar will be used as evidence against Hillary pdsimdars Apr 2016 #36
Awesome response! Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #55
Someone on TV made that point. I thought it was brillaint. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #66
Team Used Car (Devine Weaver) sales number are going to go down soon, no one trust them uponit7771 Apr 2016 #8
Joy wasn't even trying to hear that nonsense rbrnmw Apr 2016 #9
I have always thought MSNBC apcalc Apr 2016 #10
Two points mikehiggins Apr 2016 #11
Absolutely agree with you on every one of your points. bjo59 Apr 2016 #29
I do not believe at this point they are secretly supporting Bernie. grasswire Apr 2016 #38
Jeff Weaver is a clown...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #12
Look again. Wilms Apr 2016 #27
Blacks are not the base of the votes for the Democratic Party, they just have no where else to go Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #14
In terms of overall numbers no. In terms of most reliable voting bloc, yes! UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #20
Loyalty does not mean or equal base. I am tired of the lie. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #25
Bye!!!! UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #49
36,000,000 > 16,000,000 Hello!!! Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #50
YES HELLO!!!!!!!!!!! UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #52
You are confusing loyalty with a base of voters... Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #56
Actually the loyalty and base go hand in hand UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #58
Well if you need to cling to your illusions to feel better have at it. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #59
I don't need to cling to shit nt UMTerp01 Apr 2016 #62
wow what the fuck forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #31
I am sorry if you don't like reality but math matters. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #34
how deep are you guys going to dig -nt- forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #43
The primary is over for the most part. So my question to you is... Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #45
I think that you are missing what the word "base" means redkwamya Apr 2016 #44
36,000,000 > 16,000,000 Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #46
There are uninformed voters of every race and color. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #37
I love the way they flashed the delegate numbers that included the superdelgates Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #17
The shill had everything working as planned.... Segami Apr 2016 #19
As much as I love Bernie and hate Hillary, I really don't think he should try to flip supers... Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #18
+1 Agschmid Apr 2016 #54
Why do Hillary supporters always ignore democrat leaning independents? They are a YUGE voting bloc. jillan Apr 2016 #21
Weaver is delusional if he thinks that super delegates are going to switch to Sanders. Beacool Apr 2016 #22
People change their minds. It's delusional to pull the plug before they actually vote. whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #28
It's a two person race and the supers traditionally go for the one in the lead all american girl Apr 2016 #33
I just don't get any of this.... all american girl Apr 2016 #32
Joy did a great job as usual redkwamya Apr 2016 #47
that's not an absolute. grasswire Apr 2016 #40
Notice the user comments are disabled. Gregorian Apr 2016 #23
She tried to fence him in and failed whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #24
Quit the shilling, and start the chilling. We aren't going anywhere as a voice, and if you shut us highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #30
Please explain how this will happen (California being a game changer). redkwamya Apr 2016 #48
Well, take a look at this chart, and tell me there are not 400 plus delegates in CA without includin highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #67
That was a sci-fi thriller with Robbie Mook taking over Jow Reid's body. floriduck Apr 2016 #35
haha! nt grasswire Apr 2016 #41
I wish they'd bring up the money the gun industry has given to Hillary. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #39
good point grasswire Apr 2016 #42
I thought she did a bang-up job. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #51
... Agschmid Apr 2016 #53
Joy Reid did a great job of getting Weaver to answer the questions asked Gothmog Apr 2016 #57
MSNBC is garbage. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #64
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
61. Not really.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:17 PM
Apr 2016

Here are some important points made by Black Lives Matter Activist Ashley Williams:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
63. Here is someone else that doesn't agree with Joy.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016
“Far from resisting the emergence of the new caste system, Clinton escalated the drug war beyond what conservatives had imagined possible a decade earlier. As the Justice Policy Institute has observed, “the Clinton Administration’s ‘tough on crime’ policies resulted in the largest increases in federal and state prison inmates of any president in American history.”99 Clinton eventually moved beyond crime and capitulated to the conservative racial agenda on welfare. This move, like his “get tough” rhetoric and policies, was part of a grand strategy articulated by the “new Democrats” to appeal to the elusive white swing voters. In so doing, Clinton—more than any other president—created the current racial undercaste. He signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which “ended welfare as we know it,” replacing Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) with a block grant to states called Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). TANF imposed a five-year lifetime limit on welfare assistance, as well as a permanent, lifetime ban on eligibility for welfare and food stamps for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense—including simple possession of marijuana.”
― Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
65. Joy Reid Is One Of The Biggest POS's on MSNBC! Total Effing SHILL FoR Hillary!
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:27 PM
Apr 2016

A HILLBOT of the FIRST order! No idea where they found her...

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
60. Where The Fuck Did THEY Find Joy Reid? Before This Year I NEVER Heard of Her!
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:17 PM
Apr 2016

Constructed SHIILL No "Journalism" HERE!

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. Yeah everyone is out to get Bernie...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

Its a huge conspiracy. Bernie should be handled with kid gloves.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
5. Bravo Joy!!!!!
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:11 PM
Apr 2016

He had no idea what hit him. I particularly liked that he made him answer for HIS candidate on the 2005 vote on guns and the crime bill when he tried to avoid it and throw it on Hillary. Joy is great. Its already been shown that Hillary has way more negative press than Sanders but ANYONE not kissing Sanders ass is a shill or corporate shrew or whatever. Joy is very respected. I'm glad I follow her on twitter. She wasn't lying about his failure with Black voters either.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
6. why does Joy think it's her job to push Hillary?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

And I am disappointed in her for her unprofessional garb. She's a news professional, not a Hollywood gossip reporter. Not on FOX. Dress like a professional, Joy.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
26. Playing back Weaver and Bernie's own words?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:51 PM
Apr 2016

The guns are a big deal. He's been able to have it both ways, now his people are asking to explain. Why is that wrong?

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
36. Did you know that picture you use as an avatar will be used as evidence against Hillary
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:14 PM
Apr 2016

in her FBI case. All those pictures people find cute of her using her Blackberry in public places while she was S0S. Evidence of her communicating in public on an un-secured line. Naughty, naughty.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
8. Team Used Car (Devine Weaver) sales number are going to go down soon, no one trust them
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

... seeing their strategy was so dismissive of 2008

apcalc

(4,461 posts)
10. I have always thought MSNBC
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

favored Sanders, especially Chris Matthews , who I feel has always been at best cool when it comes to Hillary.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
11. Two points
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

Reed is just carrying water for her bosses, who are HRC supporters. What she is doing has nothing to do with journalism, or with trying to find the truth. Instead it is a bald faced attack on one of the candidates and being sure to show a Hillary ad in the process.

Is there anyone at all--including Reed--that really thinks the NRA is going to be a target once the election is over? The only candidate free to attack them would be someone not taking money from them or their lobbyists. Clinton will forget those dead children and dead black youths minutes after winning the election. There will be more important issues at hand, such as "reforming" and passing TPP.

Second point? They must be getting scared that Sanders is on to something, fighting on until the convention. Let's see where those polls about national regard go in the coming weeks. Lets see how HRC deals with being the least popular Democratic candidate.

Lets see how long it takes Joy and Chris and Maddow and Chris to become Sanders' BFF if he does get the nomination?

We all know they are secretly supporting Bernie, just unable to say the words out loud.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
38. I do not believe at this point they are secretly supporting Bernie.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

They have sold out to their corporate overlords, who want Hillary simply because the story line will produce GREAT drama and profit. HRC, with all her baggage, against Donald. Clash of the titans.

If Hillary does not get the nom, the story will still be epic. Populist v. poseur. But it will be a shorter story. And Bernie won't bring glamour to Washington, or lavish entertaining, or K-street largesse.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
14. Blacks are not the base of the votes for the Democratic Party, they just have no where else to go
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

In the 2012 Presidential Election Obama got 36,000,000 non-hispanic white votes and only 16,000,000 black votes. In fact, in 2012, more non-hispanic white voters voted for Obama than all PoC (blacks, latino/hispanic, asian) combined (36,000,000 vs. 32,000,00).

Thus, whites are the base of the votes for the Democratic Party, at least according to the 2012 Presidential Election results.

This myth that the "blacks are the base of the party" is false.

What is true is that blacks have no where else to turn. Given this, Romney only received 1,000,000 black votes in 2012 by comparison. Though this is relatively few (16:1 ratio), it's still a million more than I would expect.

Here's the link with the numbers:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/26/demographics_and_the_2016_election_scenarios.html

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
20. In terms of overall numbers no. In terms of most reliable voting bloc, yes!
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016

Blacks are the most loyal voting block to the Democratic Party. Latinos/Hispanics are more split, although they have been trending more Democrat ever since Republicans have gone bat shit crazy. Black women in particular are a very reliable voting block for Dems. So we may not be the base in terms of raw numbers but in terms of overall representation by any demographic we are the most reliable and most loyal.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
52. YES HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

In politics, the term base refers to a group of voters who almost always support a single party's candidates for elected office. Base voters are very unlikely to vote for the candidate of an opposing party, regardless of the specific views each candidate holds.

You are twisting what base means in politics. Ugh...bye Felicia!!!

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
56. You are confusing loyalty with a base of voters...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

36,000,000 or 16,000,000....

Which is more?

Go ahead, you can say it.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
58. Actually the loyalty and base go hand in hand
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:11 PM
Apr 2016

In terms of numbers yes...most Democrats are White. But the base of the party to me is not White since most Whites vote Republican. So I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
34. I am sorry if you don't like reality but math matters.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:57 PM
Apr 2016

And the reason blacks go for Clinton have nothing to do with what we do or don't say on DU.

redkwamya

(17 posts)
44. I think that you are missing what the word "base" means
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

Its the foundation of the Democratic party, because that is where you start. On a sports team its the first names that you write on the lineup every game. There will not be an election soon where Democrats say, well we really need to shore up the black vote. Less reliable voters gave us Presidents like Reagan and Bush.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
17. I love the way they flashed the delegate numbers that included the superdelgates
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

MSNBC is Clinton Superpac

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
19. The shill had everything working as planned....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016

...she also pulled out a lonely NBC poll graphic showing Bernie and Hillary tied against Trump....while a majority of other major polls has Bernie well ahead of Hillary.....of course Joy NEVER referenced any of those polls.


Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
18. As much as I love Bernie and hate Hillary, I really don't think he should try to flip supers...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

if he is behind in the popular or pledged delegate count.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
21. Why do Hillary supporters always ignore democrat leaning independents? They are a YUGE voting bloc.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:41 PM
Apr 2016

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
22. Weaver is delusional if he thinks that super delegates are going to switch to Sanders.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

They are already in Hillary's camp, they will not switch to the candidate who is behind in pledged delegates. Does he really believe the nonsense he spews or is his goal to keep Sanders' supporters energized and keep the money flowing into the campaign coffers?

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
33. It's a two person race and the supers traditionally go for the one in the lead
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:56 PM
Apr 2016

Do you think it's OK to override the will of the people? I'm thinking that won't go over very well.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
32. I just don't get any of this....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

This is all crazy talk and this thread is just as strange. I'm not sure what Joy did that was wrong.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
23. Notice the user comments are disabled.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

Here's why that matters: Aside from what is unfair framing of the question, while he was answering, they put incorrect numbers over his face. So they completely obscured him with lies. I attempted to reply, and was unable.

The whole point of democracy (like youtube) is to have a feedback mechanism so that the overall system has controls. When you remove the feedback loop (comment disabling), you are no longer democratic.

I'm learning so much from Jeff and Bernie. The one thing that sticks out is patience.

Haha. "She's winning the demographic which represents the Democratic party"- That is so pathetic and ignorant. Arguably, it's true. Realistically, it's as wrong as how right the Democratic party has shifted. So no, she is winning a demographic which more represents republicans from a time before they became rabid insurgents.

When the media is so biased that they literally hound their guest, it is no longer considered journalism. This is pure propaganda.

So I just wasted ten minutes of my life.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
30. Quit the shilling, and start the chilling. We aren't going anywhere as a voice, and if you shut us
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

down, it's just going to be worse.

Let it all play out, my friend, because we still got California, and that COULD be a game changer. And not only California, but anybody else who wants to join in beforehand!

redkwamya

(17 posts)
48. Please explain how this will happen (California being a game changer).
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

Even if Hillary lost all the remaining contests, she would still be ahead in delegates (pledged, super or extraterrestrial). This is the plain information. No one want to shut you down, we just want to have a reasonable discussion about how we can work towards those things that will make the next four years as productive as possible.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
67. Well, take a look at this chart, and tell me there are not 400 plus delegates in CA without includin
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

superdelegates. I'm no saying Hillary would lose all 400, but taking your reasoning, if she did?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Info/delegates.html

I mean, are you doing your calculations including superdelegates? Because truly, they do not vote till the convention, and a lot can happen still before then.

You know, the MSM acts like it is still such a horse race on the Republican side. Why don't they do that on the Democratic side, when the difference between Hillary and Bernie is less?

Could it be the Progpaganda?

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
35. That was a sci-fi thriller with Robbie Mook taking over Jow Reid's body.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:06 PM
Apr 2016

"Invasion of the Neoliberal Snatchers".

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
39. I wish they'd bring up the money the gun industry has given to Hillary.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

Wouldn't that put a bit of a cork in it??

They keep letting them frame the conversation. Just say that Bernie has taken no money from the gun lobby and Hillary has taken MILLIONS. Who you gunna trust?

That's a lot easier and quicker than trying to explain how bills work. AND you make a point before they can but in to stop you.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
51. I thought she did a bang-up job.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

She didn't read through her list of prepared questions. Instead, she actually listened to Weaver and asked questions based on what he actually said. Weaver didn't come off particularly well, but Reid was respectful.

She's grown a lot on MSNBC. Good to see it.

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