2016 Postmortem
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Its beyond beyond obvious at what's going on with MSNBC Hosts.....The Shills have their marching orders......
Segami
(14,923 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Here are some important points made by Black Lives Matter Activist Ashley Williams:
The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.
Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)― Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)A HILLBOT of the FIRST order! No idea where they found her...
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Constructed SHIILL No "Journalism" HERE!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Its a huge conspiracy. Bernie should be handled with kid gloves.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)He had no idea what hit him. I particularly liked that he made him answer for HIS candidate on the 2005 vote on guns and the crime bill when he tried to avoid it and throw it on Hillary. Joy is great. Its already been shown that Hillary has way more negative press than Sanders but ANYONE not kissing Sanders ass is a shill or corporate shrew or whatever. Joy is very respected. I'm glad I follow her on twitter. She wasn't lying about his failure with Black voters either.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Seriously.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)And I am disappointed in her for her unprofessional garb. She's a news professional, not a Hollywood gossip reporter. Not on FOX. Dress like a professional, Joy.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)The guns are a big deal. He's been able to have it both ways, now his people are asking to explain. Why is that wrong?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)in her FBI case. All those pictures people find cute of her using her Blackberry in public places while she was S0S. Evidence of her communicating in public on an un-secured line. Naughty, naughty.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... seeing their strategy was so dismissive of 2008
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)She wanted av straight answer which she didn't get.
apcalc
(4,461 posts)favored Sanders, especially Chris Matthews , who I feel has always been at best cool when it comes to Hillary.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Reed is just carrying water for her bosses, who are HRC supporters. What she is doing has nothing to do with journalism, or with trying to find the truth. Instead it is a bald faced attack on one of the candidates and being sure to show a Hillary ad in the process.
Is there anyone at all--including Reed--that really thinks the NRA is going to be a target once the election is over? The only candidate free to attack them would be someone not taking money from them or their lobbyists. Clinton will forget those dead children and dead black youths minutes after winning the election. There will be more important issues at hand, such as "reforming" and passing TPP.
Second point? They must be getting scared that Sanders is on to something, fighting on until the convention. Let's see where those polls about national regard go in the coming weeks. Lets see how HRC deals with being the least popular Democratic candidate.
Lets see how long it takes Joy and Chris and Maddow and Chris to become Sanders' BFF if he does get the nomination?
We all know they are secretly supporting Bernie, just unable to say the words out loud.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)They have sold out to their corporate overlords, who want Hillary simply because the story line will produce GREAT drama and profit. HRC, with all her baggage, against Donald. Clash of the titans.
If Hillary does not get the nom, the story will still be epic. Populist v. poseur. But it will be a shorter story. And Bernie won't bring glamour to Washington, or lavish entertaining, or K-street largesse.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)In the 2012 Presidential Election Obama got 36,000,000 non-hispanic white votes and only 16,000,000 black votes. In fact, in 2012, more non-hispanic white voters voted for Obama than all PoC (blacks, latino/hispanic, asian) combined (36,000,000 vs. 32,000,00).
Thus, whites are the base of the votes for the Democratic Party, at least according to the 2012 Presidential Election results.
This myth that the "blacks are the base of the party" is false.
What is true is that blacks have no where else to turn. Given this, Romney only received 1,000,000 black votes in 2012 by comparison. Though this is relatively few (16:1 ratio), it's still a million more than I would expect.
Here's the link with the numbers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/26/demographics_and_the_2016_election_scenarios.html
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)Blacks are the most loyal voting block to the Democratic Party. Latinos/Hispanics are more split, although they have been trending more Democrat ever since Republicans have gone bat shit crazy. Black women in particular are a very reliable voting block for Dems. So we may not be the base in terms of raw numbers but in terms of overall representation by any demographic we are the most reliable and most loyal.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)In politics, the term base refers to a group of voters who almost always support a single party's candidates for elected office. Base voters are very unlikely to vote for the candidate of an opposing party, regardless of the specific views each candidate holds.
You are twisting what base means in politics. Ugh...bye Felicia!!!
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)36,000,000 or 16,000,000....
Which is more?
Go ahead, you can say it.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)In terms of numbers yes...most Democrats are White. But the base of the party to me is not White since most Whites vote Republican. So I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)and you wonder why Bernie is losing the black vote 80-20.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)And the reason blacks go for Clinton have nothing to do with what we do or don't say on DU.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Why do you not like numbers?
redkwamya
(17 posts)Its the foundation of the Democratic party, because that is where you start. On a sports team its the first names that you write on the lineup every game. There will not be an election soon where Democrats say, well we really need to shore up the black vote. Less reliable voters gave us Presidents like Reagan and Bush.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Hence, the base is white.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)MSNBC is Clinton Superpac
Segami
(14,923 posts)...she also pulled out a lonely NBC poll graphic showing Bernie and Hillary tied against Trump....while a majority of other major polls has Bernie well ahead of Hillary.....of course Joy NEVER referenced any of those polls.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)if he is behind in the popular or pledged delegate count.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)They are already in Hillary's camp, they will not switch to the candidate who is behind in pledged delegates. Does he really believe the nonsense he spews or is his goal to keep Sanders' supporters energized and keep the money flowing into the campaign coffers?
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)Do you think it's OK to override the will of the people? I'm thinking that won't go over very well.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)This is all crazy talk and this thread is just as strange. I'm not sure what Joy did that was wrong.
redkwamya
(17 posts)Always professional and direct.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)There are circumstances under which they would switch.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Here's why that matters: Aside from what is unfair framing of the question, while he was answering, they put incorrect numbers over his face. So they completely obscured him with lies. I attempted to reply, and was unable.
The whole point of democracy (like youtube) is to have a feedback mechanism so that the overall system has controls. When you remove the feedback loop (comment disabling), you are no longer democratic.
I'm learning so much from Jeff and Bernie. The one thing that sticks out is patience.
Haha. "She's winning the demographic which represents the Democratic party"- That is so pathetic and ignorant. Arguably, it's true. Realistically, it's as wrong as how right the Democratic party has shifted. So no, she is winning a demographic which more represents republicans from a time before they became rabid insurgents.
When the media is so biased that they literally hound their guest, it is no longer considered journalism. This is pure propaganda.
So I just wasted ten minutes of my life.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)down, it's just going to be worse.
Let it all play out, my friend, because we still got California, and that COULD be a game changer. And not only California, but anybody else who wants to join in beforehand!
redkwamya
(17 posts)Even if Hillary lost all the remaining contests, she would still be ahead in delegates (pledged, super or extraterrestrial). This is the plain information. No one want to shut you down, we just want to have a reasonable discussion about how we can work towards those things that will make the next four years as productive as possible.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)superdelegates. I'm no saying Hillary would lose all 400, but taking your reasoning, if she did?
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Info/delegates.html
I mean, are you doing your calculations including superdelegates? Because truly, they do not vote till the convention, and a lot can happen still before then.
You know, the MSM acts like it is still such a horse race on the Republican side. Why don't they do that on the Democratic side, when the difference between Hillary and Bernie is less?
Could it be the Progpaganda?
floriduck
(2,262 posts)"Invasion of the Neoliberal Snatchers".
grasswire
(50,130 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Wouldn't that put a bit of a cork in it??
They keep letting them frame the conversation. Just say that Bernie has taken no money from the gun lobby and Hillary has taken MILLIONS. Who you gunna trust?
That's a lot easier and quicker than trying to explain how bills work. AND you make a point before they can but in to stop you.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)sometimes I think the campaign needs a framer.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)She didn't read through her list of prepared questions. Instead, she actually listened to Weaver and asked questions based on what he actually said. Weaver didn't come off particularly well, but Reid was respectful.
She's grown a lot on MSNBC. Good to see it.