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Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:02 PM

Obama is a LIAR (please add air quotes for those who are freaking out)

I hear this all the time on Facebook and other places. Obama is a liar. All he does is lie, lie, lie.

But when I ask those making such accusations to point out one of his lies, or better yet, give me a list of them, they suddenly get mute.

Now, I can easily give you a list of Romney's lies, although that list would take days to compile and print out. But what, exactly, are these lies that Obama is allegedly telling? These people seem convinced that he's a lying sack of crap, but they can't or won't point to even a single so-called lie.

So are they just pulling this out of their butts, mimicking talk radio, or can they really point to what they perceive as Obama's lies?

So far, I'm not getting anything from them. But I AM curious how they developed this notion (although I suspect I already know).

It seems that nowadays the accusation is all that matters. Backing it up with facts is apparently unimportant.

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Reply Obama is a LIAR (please add air quotes for those who are freaking out) (Original post)
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 OP
regnaD kciN Oct 2012 #1
flamingdem Oct 2012 #2
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #5
scheming daemons Oct 2012 #8
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #11
scheming daemons Oct 2012 #12
flamingdem Oct 2012 #15
faithfulcitizen Oct 2012 #6
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #9
faithfulcitizen Oct 2012 #13
flamingdem Oct 2012 #18
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #21
Firebirds01 Oct 2012 #38
LP2K12 Oct 2012 #26
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #29
tessar Oct 2012 #31
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #34
Firebirds01 Oct 2012 #35
Xyzse Oct 2012 #3
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #7
Xyzse Oct 2012 #17
Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #4
SunSeeker Oct 2012 #10
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #16
SunSeeker Oct 2012 #27
Divine Discontent Oct 2012 #30
sinkingfeeling Oct 2012 #14
maryellen99 Oct 2012 #19
leftynyc Oct 2012 #20
stopbush Oct 2012 #22
WeekendWarrior Oct 2012 #24
Azathoth Oct 2012 #23
lyingsackofmitt Oct 2012 #25
reflection Oct 2012 #28
BigDemVoter Oct 2012 #32
MatthewStLouis Oct 2012 #33
krawhitham Oct 2012 #36
moobu2 Oct 2012 #37

Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:06 PM

1. Easy...

Obama is lying in not admitting Romney is telling the truth about everything!



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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:06 PM

2. Do us a favor and change the title or delete this

thanks

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:09 PM

5. Why would that be doing you a favor?

Get a grip.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:11 PM

8. Because the title shows up in DU Google searches



And putting stuff like that in the title is something trolls often do in order to get negative Obama stuff trending in searches.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:14 PM

11. And trending in searches is a terrible thing?

Okay, I'm done.

Jesus.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:15 PM

12. Yes... the phrase "Obama is a liar" is not something we want trending in searches


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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:16 PM

15. Exactly n/t

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:10 PM

6. agree, title really sucks.

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Response to faithfulcitizen (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:13 PM

9. Oh, Lord

Really? Are we that sensitive?

I'll tell you what. If a moderator decides to delete this thread because of the title, fine. It's ridiculous, but fine.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:15 PM

13. I am not sensitive...I support Obama and it sucks.

I'll tell ya what...deal.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:17 PM

18. It's not about sensitivity, it's google indexing

that you appear to not understand the importance of ..

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:23 PM

21. Then explain it to me

Someone sees the title in Google, clicks on it and sees the post. What's the harm?

I mean, really. Explain it to me. Has the entire Google/DU ecosystem been destroyed by a simple, provocative title?

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:58 PM

38. I understand

 

That you want to make a provocative title so everyone will want to see whats up. The problem is that, like everyone said, these posts spread like wildfire over the internet. Yesterday I wrote a post on Boortz calling Allred a whore. Boortz saw it and posted in on his facebook (he made fun of us in doing so). It got shared 860 times on Facebook and 49 times on twitter. Now, how many of those 860 actually read the entire post? Probably not many, they just saw the title and said "Yeah Boortz, keep pissing off those libs."

So, we have your post that says Obama Lied. How easy would it be for Boortz, Limbaugh, anyone else to but it on their page and say "look, even the Libs dont trust Obummer. See, we were right and they know it." So then we look like idiots.


In my opinion, its better not to tempt fate just to get an eye-popping post title.


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Response to flamingdem (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:29 PM

26. It is a bit...

over the top...

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Response to LP2K12 (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:32 PM

29. I am quoting what people have said to me directly. How is that over the top?

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #29)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:56 PM

31. It's over the top

And so is the seeming lack of comprehension....

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Response to tessar (Reply #31)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:52 PM

34. No, the reaction to the title is over the top

Seriously. Step out of the bubble.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:53 PM

35. +1

 

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:06 PM

3. I don't know, but I get the same thing...

They accuse him of lying about:

His birth certificate - Already debunked.
Him being muslim or a muslim sympathizer - Already debunked.
Him being a socialist - He's more conservative than I am.
Him using executive privilege on Fast and Furious - Which was actually initiated during the Bush years, and also already shown to hit more Republicans than Democrats if it is actually completely brought to light.
Him not taking away their guns - Also already shown to be the case.

It is pretty ridiculous, especially since there is so much proof that it was not lies to begin with.

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:11 PM

7. Yeah, these are the generally known "lies"

But I'm hearing things like, "All he does is lie."

I, frankly, don't understand the mindset. But then I guess I have a brain.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:16 PM

17. I don't either

Nor can I get a quote from them.
Any how, you may want to change the title of the thread to something like "They call Obama a Liar" or something like that.

Title can get misleading.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:07 PM

4. Evidence is generally not a good thing.

When it runs counter to the Truth* as it generally does, it can lead people to reject the Truth.


*Truth: The notions and opinions supplied to you by your owners

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:14 PM

10. How about changing the title to "No support behind the 'Obama is a liar' meme"

Because the title as it is may get you clicks, but it is really offensive.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:16 PM

16. It's meant to be offensive. It's offensive to me every time I hear it.

I was unaware that we had to be oh so careful about how we frame things about a politician because someone might be offended.

Wow.

Delete the thread, then.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:29 PM

27. DU posts get picked up by Google searches, so it is not innocuous.

It's not just about sensitivity, it's Google indexing. You don't want "Obama is a LIAR" popping up when people do Google searches, do you?

And as far as deleting your thread, it is my understanding that only you can do that.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #27)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:44 PM

30. +1

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:16 PM

14. It's the same if you ask one of Rmoney's supports what they like about his polices.

They can't name anything unless it's, "He'll repeal Obamacare".

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:19 PM

19. The majority are only voting for him because he's white

They don't give a shit about his policies.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:22 PM

20. They don't think

They merely parrot what rush (and his ilk) scream on the radio or what they hear on fox. You'll have better luck trying to get an intelligent response from the spider crawling across my floor.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:25 PM

22. There's the "Obama said unemployment wouldn't go above 8%" meme.

The truth is that President Obama's economic advisers made that prediction before he took office, during the lame-duck session of 2008. Their prediction was based on faulty information they were given by the outgoing bush administration, which was under-reporting the depths of the economic crisis.

The fact is that unemployment stood at 8.1% the day President Obama was inaugurated.

As far as what the *percentage of increase* unemployment would rise to, I think his advisors got it pretty much right. It's just that the base number they were working with (which was supplied by bushco, and which was inaccurate) was lower than what it actually was at the time.

Yet, the RWNM likes to say that unemployment was under 8% when the president took office and that it soared above 8% due to the president's policies, and that he was lying when he said it wouldn't go above 8%.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:27 PM

24. It's sad that some don't know the difference between

a prediction and a lie.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:26 PM

23. Like everything else on the modern Right, it's a mindless I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I slogan

These folks have abandoned any notion of objective fact. Any accusation made against a politician is simply "one side", to be balanced out by the other. All Romney does is lie? Well, then, all Obama does is lie! Take that! The idea that Romney's lies have been objectively and painstakingly documented by both reporters and policy experts while Obama's "lies" consist entirely of talk-radio conspiracy-mongering doesn't even register on their radars.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:27 PM

25. That's all they have...

After months and months of listening to conservatards call into radio shows, reading their comments on the internets, listening to people here at work, none can specifically say what's bad about Obama, except he's a socialist or he sucks. They have no argument.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:30 PM

28. I asked a guy that was badgering me yesterday about this to point out a lie from Obama

and he came back with his shift on recognizing gay marriage.

I told him that was not a lie, that was an opinion he held that he changed. Now you can opine as to whether or not his changing of that opinion was politically motivated, but it certainly wasn't a lie. He had no response. I don't mind arguing with people, but I want them to at least bring some game, not just weak play.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:07 PM

32. Same IDIOTS

who say, "Obama is a Communist", or my personal favorite-- "Obama is a fascist!"

Too stupid to even know there's a difference between the two. . . . and that they, the right-wingers, are the fascists.

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:37 PM

33. It's called projection. We say Rmoney is a liar. So they have to say the same about Obama.

The problem for Rmoney is that he truly is a liar. Even the GOPers know that. That's why they keep talking about "holding their noses" and voting for the charlatan snake oil salesman. The guy is not a flip flopper, or a moderate in disguise. He's a conservative, who just like a used car salesman, will say anything to get elected.

Try this: listen to what Rmoney says he will do once elected. His positions change with his audience, like some kind of chameleon.

Now: listen to the what the President says he will do. His views don't change with the wind. He is a progressive. He stands with the middle class. He is a known quantity. He is trustworthy. This is why conservatives hate him. They don't like democratic principles. Period.


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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:55 PM

36. Rove playbook 101, blame your opponent for what you do yourself

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Response to WeekendWarrior (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:58 PM

37. All of the above but also

Obama is a liar = he's black to a lot of them
Obama is not a citizen = he's black
Obama is not a christian = he's black

It's just a way for a lot of them to express racism without admitting it I think.

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