Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:09 PM
BlueDemKev (2,590 posts)
Why Is Ohio so Competitive?
I'm not from Ohio, so I don't know much about the state's dynamics. Obviously, there are a lot of rural areas which lean right, but my gosh, there are several major urban areas, plus several good-sized college towns. Ohio greatly benefited from the auto industry rescue and organized labor in the state is pretty strong.
Given this, why are we not way ahead in Ohio?
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18 replies, 1138 views
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| BlueDemKev | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| MSMITH33156 | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| TexasCPA | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| BlueDemKev | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| TexasCPA | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| Firebirds01 | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| Firebirds01 | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| JI7 | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| Drunken Irishman | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| JiminyJominy | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| OldDem2012 | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| JI7 | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| OldDem2012 | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| RandySF | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| Firebirds01 | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| Firebirds01 | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| BlueDemKev | Oct 2012 | #18 | |
| Marsala | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| geek tragedy | Oct 2012 | #16 |
Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:10 PM
MSMITH33156 (329 posts)
1. It's a lean right state
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where Obama is farther ahead there than nationally. It is not barely competitive, and it is telling that when push comes to shove, no one will say that Romney is going to actually win it.
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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:20 PM
TexasCPA (527 posts)
2. Not enough big cities
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Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) and Franklin County (Columbus) have to outvote a lot of rural areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Ohio,_2008 |
Response to TexasCPA (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:23 PM
BlueDemKev (2,590 posts)
3. What about Cincinnati?
Response to BlueDemKev (Reply #3)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:28 PM
TexasCPA (527 posts)
9. Cincinnati is only a net 30,000 votes
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I was focused on 100,000+.
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Response to TexasCPA (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:28 PM
Firebirds01 (576 posts)
10. What the hell are you talking about
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Cincinnati
Dayton Cleveland Columbus Akron Canton Youngstown Toledo All due respect |
Response to TexasCPA (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:44 PM
Firebirds01 (576 posts)
14. Id also like to point out that Texas
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has several pretty big cities but they vote red as red can be when it comes to the Presidency.
Plus the Longhorns suck and so does the Big XII ![]() |
Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:25 PM
JI7 (40,106 posts)
4. as you say, there are rural areas and urban areas , it's working cass but religious types also etc
Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:26 PM
Drunken Irishman (24,587 posts)
5. Because no Democrat has ever won Ohio by a large margin recently...
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:27 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Even the guy in your avatar, in a reelection landslide back in '96, still managed to only win Ohio by six points. That tells you everything you need to know about the state and why it's always a tough one for either candidate to win by a large margin.
Here's the margin of victory in Ohio over the last few elections: 2008: Obama +4 2004: Bush +2 2000: Bush +3 1996: Clinton +6 1992: Clinton +2 1988: Bush +11 1984: Reagan +19 1980: Reagan +10 1976: Carter +.27 Outside the 80s, Ohio has been one of the most competitive states in the country. |
Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:26 PM
JiminyJominy (340 posts)
6. As I've Been Saying...
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Ohio will go down as the most ungrateful state ever if they go Romney this election.
One man went to bat for the state and the other said let its main industry go Bankrupt. Not sure why this state is so close. |
Response to JiminyJominy (Reply #6)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:30 PM
OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)
12. Good grief. Thanks for your CONCERN. nt.
Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:27 PM
JI7 (40,106 posts)
7. for This Election Only, at this point, i don't think Ohio is as competitive as the Media
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is making it out to be.
it's not california, new york, or even pennsylvania or wisconsin. but Obama has consistently held a lead. the lead has at times changed but even during Romney's first debate surge he didin't seem to lead in ohio. |
Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:28 PM
OldDem2012 (3,526 posts)
8. Why do you think it is? nt.
Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:28 PM
RandySF (5,291 posts)
11. Competitive, not a tossup.
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It's leaning pretty hard toward Obama, but we have to work it to the end.
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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:33 PM
Firebirds01 (576 posts)
13. Im FROM ohio, I know why!!!!!!!!1111
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:38 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) It is 4 different states. All (generally) equal in population or economic influence.
Northeast Ohio (Cleveland Area): East coast. Urban and industrial, Blue collar. a lot of ethnic communities, great deal of diversity. Southeast Ohio: Appalachia. Coal mines and hills and hollers. Economic depression. Social conservatism. Think west virginai sort of thing. Northwest Ohio: Midwestern. Flat as hell. Small towns. German catholics. Field of Dreams sort of thing. Agriculture Agriculture Agriculture. Social conservative but no tolerance for Wall street/big business types. Economic democrats social conservatives Southwest: Mix between cities, aerospace, and big business. This is where we have the most diversity among voters (not raicial diversity but who will vote for either party). Cincinnati area is very republican (but not crazy snake handler types, they are the gordon gekko types). The miami valley might as well be a surrogate of the USAF because of the base. Big mix. About 15 major colleges in the area too so education is big. really the key to winning the state. the BBC said Clark County (in this area) was the demographically perfect representation of the country. so four different states. |
Response to Firebirds01 (Reply #13)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:50 PM
Firebirds01 (576 posts)
17. Followup example
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If I say we need to invest in alternative energy, northwest ohio says "yeaaaaaaaaah" because wind energy is HUGE HUGE there. But southeast ohio says "boooooo because there arent many union towns"
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Response to Firebirds01 (Reply #13)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:14 AM
BlueDemKev (2,590 posts)
18. Thank you for your insight
Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:47 PM
Marsala (2,086 posts)
15. It's actually amazing that we're as ahead in Ohio as the polls suggest
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In the past, it's leaned red, more like where Florida currently is.
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Response to BlueDemKev (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:49 PM
geek tragedy (25,679 posts)
16. It's traditionally right leaning, but it's not all that competitive this cycle.
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It seems more competitive because it's so essential.
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