2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTIME - Ohio poll - Obama +5
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http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/24/time-poll-obama-leads-by-5-in-ohio/
Azathoth
(4,607 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)WindyCityGardener
(3 posts)Shouldn't this be against the law ? Time Magazine has a poll out for Ohio. The poll is weighted 9% for Obama. In the poll they say Obama is winning independents 53 % to Romney's 38%. But if you go to the real poll. The numbers for Independents are Romney 55% and Obama 32%. Now they are just lying about their own polls. They continue to say the poll is not weighted. But it clearly is. 273 Democrats and 206 Republicans.
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naviman
(102 posts)It's 60-30. Hey, where did the "enthusiasm gap" go?!
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Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)Sorry I know a bunch of you will shake your head, throw salt over your shoulder, sprinkle vegan chicken blood around the house but Romney has NEVER. N-E-V-E-R led in OH. That 2 OH polls this week >+2 for Obama.
Romney cannot make up the deficit in early voting.
The O campaign said today in Halperin interview for the umpteenth time they have a significant lead there and IA and WI.
It's done. So let's run up the score. Get NC and hell, AZ.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)Polls are constantly shifting back and forth and we CANNOT let up in the handful of must-win states for us (OH, WI, IA, and NV). We need to keep our resources in preserving that firewall, not by dicking around in red-leaning states that we're most likely not going to win this time.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)because the polls HAVEN'T been shifting back and forth in OH,WI,IA and NV. That's what the campaign has been saying over and over. The race became stagnant in those states after the first debate.
I'm just being a good Dem and listening to the campaign, not amnesiac poll-watchers in the media or interweb. And the campaign has been right every time, with everyone else catching up a week later.
As for dicking around w/ red states I'll leave it to the campaign. Per usual am sure they are already several steps ahead if they're reaching out to any potential red pickups.
So yeah, I'm already glowing cause O's got this.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...but if Obama does in fact win this baby, the beers will be on me, brother!
kansasobama
(609 posts)Oh! man! I was getting worried with the tight polls.
Now, if only we can get Wisconsin, Iowa, and Nevada....
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)I swear it's like Dems hit a reset button when they go to bed everynight and wake up screaming about Romney.
teabaggersarestupid
(111 posts)The polls have been scary lately. Ohio has been super tight. +5 is a sight for sore eyes. Quinnipiac had the same margin but that poll leans left so it's nice to get the +5 confirmed by another credible poll. Combined with +3 for surveyusa and +3 for Fox News, things are looking good in Ohio.
It's like we had a one run lead in the bottom of the 8th inning and the +5 Time poll is like hitting a home run to put us up by 2. You could say we've been winning the whole time in Ohio but it's nice to get an insurance run late in the game.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...in for the 9th inning in Ohio. It is an absolute MUST-WIN state for us, along with Wisconsin, Iowa, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)This thing may not be as close as it looks.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I'm paranoid, if it's close enough, it could be 2004 revisited. That's in my Binkley like closet of anxieties.
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)We thought superior turnout and "cell phone bias" in polling was understating our voting. We were wrong. Bush might have pulled a fast on in Ohio, but he legitimately won the popular vote. And he was leading in most polls. Save one outlier:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/oh_polls.html
The polls definitely pointed to a Bush win in Ohio.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)if anything Obama is Bush. Ugh, come on.
teabaggersarestupid
(111 posts)The Ohio polls are almost identical to 2008. Things are looking up and time is running out on the Mitt$ter.
kansasobama
(609 posts)No, it will be close unless Florida goes to Obama
Do not count chickens. WI and NH are still iffy although we may be ahead slightly. Even in Ohio, we still need to vote.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Even Angus-Reid had it O 51 R 46 today.
teabaggersarestupid
(111 posts)I'd like to see some more polling in WI. If Obama wins Ohio (and he most likely will), it's hard to imagine him losing WI though.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Are a lot of people trying to get in at once?
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)The sample of Dems may be generous (D+9) in this poll but it was D+6 in 2008. On Pollster at Huffpost, Obama is up by about 2 points. I would say 2 to 3 points seems about right.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...especially considering most polls margin of error is +/- 3 pts anyway.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)they are scarily almost dead on. I know some people have issues in Ohio and NM but almost every state was correct in accuracy. Romney has not really ever led in Ohio in a significant way. Gravis and Pulse Marketing (an offshoot of Ramussen) hardly count.
2 to 3 points is huge in a close race, especially with the early voting. In my opinion, the factors in Ohio may lead it to be a close race but not favorable to Romney winning it. Per this poll, the voters there think their economy has improved. That is not helpful for Romney.
Welcome_hubby
(312 posts)spell big trouble for Romney..., especially because...
1) Polls have not fully reflected the post-debate reality (too early), and
2) It's plausible that the Idiana wacko will hurt Romney with his abortion comments today..
good news.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)teabaggersarestupid
(111 posts)I would hope Nate Silver has Obama at close to 75% tonight.
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)krawhitham
(4,641 posts)TroyD
(4,551 posts)It's important to note that Obama's lead comes from the early voting, which is a great testament to the work the Obama Team did in this area.
But as TIME mentions, Obama & Romney are tied in the current voting. So it could still be close, depending on what happens with the way the votes are counted etc. It's good to have room for error (eg. Republican fraud) so nothing should be taken for granted until the state is called for Obama on November 6.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)TroyD
(4,551 posts)Bet that was hard to do.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts).
ncav53
(168 posts)Inuca
(8,945 posts)on tweeter (of course
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)leading bush by 3 to 5 points all through election day in 2004, yet he managed the near statistically impossible task of loosing both the popular vote and the electoral college after the machines did their black box magic.
johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)CaliGal
(37 posts)Okay, I can't take the anxiety anymore!!! I already voted, so just wake me up after Obama wins, please.....