Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:34 PM
kansasobama (224 posts)
Reuters-Ipsos Oct 24 Romney leads by 1
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/uk-usa-campaign-poll-idUKBRE89N1EQ20121024
Damn it! Amazing and odd, considering yesterday they were giving FL and VA to Obama.
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24 replies, 1695 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| kansasobama | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| JRLeft | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| Mz Pip | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| democrat_patriot | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| scheming daemons | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| Mz Pip | Oct 2012 | #24 | |
| gcomeau | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| JRLeft | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| JackN415 | Oct 2012 | #21 | |
| dhill926 | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| JRLeft | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| gcomeau | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| dhill926 | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| JRLeft | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| fugop | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| PADem54 | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| Lithos | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| Jennicut | Oct 2012 | #18 | |
| kimbutgar | Oct 2012 | #20 | |
| Warren DeMontague | Oct 2012 | #22 | |
| kansasobama | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| kansasobama | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| LiberalLovinLug | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| Jennicut | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| ProSense | Oct 2012 | #23 |
Response to kansasobama (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:35 PM
JRLeft (1,952 posts)
1. Who cares it is state by state. And Robbedme is losing.
Response to JRLeft (Reply #1)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:39 PM
Mz Pip (23,800 posts)
2. If Romney wins the popular vote
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he wins the WH.
CA passed an initiative that will award all of its electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote. I think a number of other states have also. Obama can't just count on an EC win; he has to win the popular vote as well. |
Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:40 PM
democrat_patriot (2,766 posts)
3. Huh?
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This I have not heard of... |
Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:40 PM
scheming daemons (21,273 posts)
4. Um... no, CA did not pass that. It was contingent on *ALL* other states passing it as well
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You are mistaken. |
Response to scheming daemons (Reply #4)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:37 PM
Mz Pip (23,800 posts)
24. That's good.
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I have it wrong then.
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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:41 PM
gcomeau (2,907 posts)
6. No he does not.
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The national popular vote bill only takes effect if enough states to control a majority of the electoral college pass their own bills.
They have not. So California's electoral votes still go to whoever wins California. |
Response to gcomeau (Reply #6)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:44 PM
JRLeft (1,952 posts)
12. Thank You, You are correct.
Response to JRLeft (Reply #12)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:10 PM
JackN415 (740 posts)
21. You all are wrong...
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The USSC will rule that neither popular votes, nor electoral votes will determine the presidency. It will be the votes of a number of DUers here with low post counts, who loved to post polls to express concerns about Obama falling behind, and Romney surging ahead that determines the presidency... of a special Nov 7 asylum for some despair souls.
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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:42 PM
dhill926 (1,826 posts)
7. Um hmm.....
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I live in Cali. First I've heard of this. Sources?
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Response to dhill926 (Reply #7)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:44 PM
JRLeft (1,952 posts)
10. California
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California
SACRAMENTO, August 8, 2011 — California Governor Jerry Brown has signed the National Popular Vote bill, making California the 9th jurisdiction to enact the bill. On January 13, 2012, the Department of Justice cleared the National Popular Vote bill under the Voting Rights Act. Letter Sacramento Bee article by David Sider Santa Cruz Sentinel editorial Natonal Journal article by Matt Loeb San Jose Mercury News editorial On July 14, 2011, the California Senate passed the National Popular Vote bill, thereby sending it to Governor Jerry Brown. Los Angeles Times July 17, 2011 editorial South San Francisco Patch San Diego Union-Tribune article Sacramento Bee Letter from California Labor Federation AFL-CIO (Art Pulaski) urging Governor Brown to sign bill http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/pages/states.php?s=CA |
Response to JRLeft (Reply #10)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:46 PM
gcomeau (2,907 posts)
15. And that bill is not active.
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It doesn't take effect unless a number of states controlling a majority of the electoral college also pass their own bills.
It basically says "hey other states, if enough of you sign up for this thing THEN we'll all give our electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote and the winner of the popular vote will win every time". Until that happens however, which it has not, the process is unchanged. |
Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:42 PM
JRLeft (1,952 posts)
8. So basically we have decided to fuck ourselves. If the South comes out in droves.
Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:43 PM
fugop (1,826 posts)
9. Nope. But count on righties to start pushing this crap
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They know the EC is sliding away and will start pretending it shouldn't matter. But it dies. So suck it up!
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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:44 PM
PADem54 (2 posts)
11. It has not gone into effect
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:46 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) This is part of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, was passed into law in California in August 2011, but only goes into effect if the Compact is enacted in states totalling 270 electoral votes or more: http://knowledgecenter.csg.org/kc/content/california-pledges-its-55-electoral-votes-winner-national-popular-vote-part-interstate-compa.
According to National Popular Vote, the organization pushing the Compact, it has been enacted in states totaling 132 electoral votes: http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/. So it isn't going to happen in 2012, at least. |
Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:46 PM
Lithos (23,176 posts)
14. Not enough states have signed on to that
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So it does not apply for this year in any event.
It only takes effect nce the magic number (states representing over half of the electoral votes) is reached. However, seeing as it sideswipes the 12th amendment, it will be challenged. |
Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:54 PM
Jennicut (25,335 posts)
18. As others have said, that is totally incorrect.
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The National Popular Vote Initiative would go into effect only when states with a combined total of 270 electoral votes adopt the proposal
Also, Reuters put the lead as statistically insignificat because it is within the margin of error. Obama had a similar lead yesterday. It is essentially a tie because polls are not 100% accurate all the time. If you look at the average nationally, without Rasmussen it would be close to a tie. With Rasmussen, it is less then .09%. Essentially, a tie. |
Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:02 PM
kimbutgar (814 posts)
20. Rmoney will not win the popular vote
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There are more people on both coasts that outnumber the voters in the middle states and south.
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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:15 PM
Warren DeMontague (46,269 posts)
22. No.
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You are incorrect.
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Response to kansasobama (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:41 PM
kansasobama (224 posts)
5. That is not actually true
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I think states could do that if other states do the same (or something like that). Please correct me.
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Response to kansasobama (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:45 PM
kansasobama (224 posts)
13. The way south is
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Hello:
The way South is, I wonder if these states should not pass these bills. It is looking more and more like Democrats will always have this issue. Red States always go BIG for Repubs. Dem states go ok for Dems and midwest is always a squeaker. |
Response to kansasobama (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:47 PM
LiberalLovinLug (2,024 posts)
16. I cannot believe these polls
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:49 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Obama led Romney by as much as 14 points a few months ago. Since then Romney has gone from one gaffe to another and so has his little buddy Paul. Obama also has improved dramatically from the first debate to the last.
It just doesn't make any sense. Wolf Blitzer admitted on air that they have 8% more Republicans in their polling group for CNN polls. Somehow I don't think they are alone in that. Its all an attempt to make it a horse race. The MSM will, on Nov. 5, lean back with their hands behind their heads, and declare their work as a success if the polls can close at 50/50. Then, once the numbers look like the election is a toss-up, the voting machines and their Republican I.T. hackers get to work. |
Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #16)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 03:56 PM
Jennicut (25,335 posts)
19. This race has been close for the last month.
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2000 and 2004 were very close. 2008 was a repudiation on how awful Bush was combined with increased Dem enthusiasm for Obama. 2012 fits 2000 and 2004 so I am not really that surprised.
Wolf Blitzer was referring to the debate snap polls, which CNN was terrible on. |
Response to kansasobama (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:33 PM
ProSense (98,100 posts)

